hah, first one looks like it had a better premise but the action in Requiem looks to top it. And now we got F-bombs in trailers, woohoo! :applause:
do u approve mm?
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Titan on August 26, 2007, 03:58:42 PM
I was disappointed with the first one. I know Fox put a lot of pressure on the director to get it out fast. I need to view the directors cut though and make a better analysis. The original released version though I didn\'t like too much but heard good things about the unrated directors cut.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Luke on August 26, 2007, 04:58:19 PM
The first one was god awful.
I\'m such a huge fan too.... It was a complete disappointment.
Well see about this one.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on August 26, 2007, 04:58:37 PM
"Must miss!"
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Evi on August 26, 2007, 08:03:02 PM
Yay gore!
The first one sucked, though. =\\
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Samwise on August 26, 2007, 11:10:33 PM
Great, now I don\'t need to see the movie since all the action was in the trailer.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on August 27, 2007, 12:14:51 AM
hope those predators have a good reason for killing random people. They\'re meant to be high with the whole honor thing. Kill only things that fight back etc.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: clips on August 27, 2007, 09:12:38 AM
Quote from: §ôµÏG®ïñD
hope those predators have a good reason for killing random people. They\'re meant to be high with the whole honor thing. Kill only things that fight back etc.
yea, that\'s what i thought as well...i thought the first one was kinda weak...i know the soldiers have guns and such, but in the first movie they made it seem like they only had beef with the aliens....to be honest i really wish they would\'ve came up with a better storyline in how they pit the aliens vs the predators....maybe this one will be better but the humans just seem like they\'re gettin\' in the way...i\'ll wait for this to come out on dvd.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: nO-One on August 27, 2007, 12:31:13 PM
Like ... a hundred people died in the trailer, that\'s actually enough to get me excited, and actual alien vs predator fighting, again I\'m excited. Just hoping the Predators kick as much ass in the movie as they deserve.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: THX on August 27, 2007, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: §ôµÏG®ïñD
hope those predators have a good reason for killing random people. They\'re meant to be high with the whole honor thing. Kill only things that fight back etc.
If they kill an innocent that\'s when Chris Hansen comes out and tells em to have a seat
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/351752
/badjoke
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Phil on August 27, 2007, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: clips
yea, that\'s what i thought as well...i thought the first one was kinda weak...i know the soldiers have guns and such, but in the first movie they made it seem like they only had beef with the aliens....to be honest i really wish they would\'ve came up with a better storyline in how they pit the aliens vs the predators....maybe this one will be better but the humans just seem like they\'re gettin\' in the way...i\'ll wait for this to come out on dvd.
I honestly like the premise that the humans are just kind of fodder for the killing. Still think the movie is going to suck though.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Viper_Fujax on August 27, 2007, 08:14:45 PM
potential alone makes me want to watch it...but it\'ll probably be disappointing.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: clips on August 28, 2007, 06:02:36 AM
^^^^too funny..:laughing:....
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: fre4d4 on August 29, 2007, 08:20:19 AM
I think they should do something that concentrates on the queen that sank to the bottom of the ocean.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Viper_Fujax on August 29, 2007, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: fre4d4
I think they should do something that concentrates on the queen that sank to the bottom of the ocean.
i think they should forget the first one existed. Except the alienpred...that\'s a good thing to go with
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Evi on August 29, 2007, 02:27:06 PM
Quote from: Viper_Fujax
potential alone makes me want to watch it...but it\'ll probably be disappointing.
LOL @ the vid.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: fre4d4 on September 03, 2007, 01:54:12 PM
Doesn\'t really matter what they do i will watch it no matter what.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Coredweller on September 03, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
I keep hoping for another good Alien movie. NOT Aliens vs. Predator. What a stupid idea it was to combine the two. The Predator films were idiotic. The AVP comic books were horrible. The first AVP movie was awful. Why don\'t they just drop it?
Fox is methodically destroying a valuable property in the Alien series. I guess it was too "high brow" and expensive.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on September 03, 2007, 04:24:31 PM
I was under the impression that they were making a new Alien movie? Then again, I\'ve been under that impression for years.
Fingers are still crossed.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: clips on September 04, 2007, 04:20:43 AM
well i kinda thought the first predator movie was good...back then the special effects and not knowing what was takin\' out those soldiers were pretty interesting, and the jungle setting for it was perfect, predator 2 was garbage.....as far as the aliens flicks go....i like 1 & 2 the best....they kinda started gettin a weak after those two, but they were still pretty decent...
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Titan on September 04, 2007, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: clips
well i kinda thought the first predator movie was good...back then the special effects and not knowing what was takin\' out those soldiers were pretty interesting, and the jungle setting for it was perfect, predator 2 was garbage.....as far as the aliens flicks go....i like 1 & 2 the best....they kinda started gettin a weak after those two, but they were still pretty decent...
I didn\'t like Alien 3 and Resurrection very much. Alien 3 was a decent movie but when I heard the other plot they were going to use, I liked it better. Basically, they were on a station where the alien started running rampant. Also, Nute and Hicks were main characters in the movie. I hated how Nute and Hicks died, especially Nute because the whole second movie was centered around saving her from the Alien. Seemed like kind of a waste to me. And I liked Hicks and thought he was badass.
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Post by: Coredweller on September 04, 2007, 04:15:31 PM
I\'m a fan of David Fincher, and Alien3 is actually a great film. It will seem even better if you watch the alternate version on the DVD rerelease that was issued a few years ago. Parts of the story make a lot more sense in the alternate version. I\'m not sure that it\'s a "director\'s cut" because I think Fincher did not participate in the editing of that version, however, it is much closer to what he had in mind. The theatrical release was hacked apart and nearly incomprehensible in parts.
Alien: Resurrection on the other hand was almost complete, unrefined crap. It\'s painful to admit it because I am also a fan of Jean-Pierre Juenet, but that film was shit.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on September 04, 2007, 05:04:29 PM
Quote from: Titan
And I liked Hicks and thought he was badass.
He didn\'t have anything on Hudson.
You know it.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Titan on September 04, 2007, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: Coredweller
I\'m a fan of David Fincher, and Alien3 is actually a great film. It will seem even better if you watch the alternate version on the DVD rerelease that was issued a few years ago. Parts of the story make a lot more sense in the alternate version. I\'m not sure that it\'s a "director\'s cut" because I think Fincher did not participate in the editing of that version, however, it is much closer to what he had in mind. The theatrical release was hacked apart and nearly incomprehensible in parts.
Really now. I didn\'t hear of the DVD rerelease. I\'ll have to check it out.
Bob, I admit that about Hudson. Hudson besides Hicks was my favorite character.
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Post by: Ashford on September 05, 2007, 09:37:22 AM
That alternate A3 version is on the Alien Legacy collection...
Great for any movie fan. It comes in a very nice fold out box containing 9 DVDs, one special feature disc for each movie plus one more bonus disc. All 4 movies come with the alternate versions with cut footage or alternate scenes...
Personally, I thought the alternate A3 version made more sense, considering the size of the alien at birth and it explains what happens to a certain character, who seemed to disappear in the theatrical version. However, the theatrical version had the cooler ending...
Of course, no doubt that the extended version of Aliens was far superior to the theatrical...
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Post by: Coredweller on September 05, 2007, 12:17:20 PM
I agree about Aliens and Alien3.
HOWEVER, the alternate version of the original "Alien" is completely unnecessary and should be ignored. After seeing that version in the theatrical (digital) re-release a few years ago, I was disappointed in the restored scenes. It was very clear why Ridley Scott eliminated them back in 1979.
The additional arguments between the characters was boring and didn\'t contribute to the story. The scene where Ripley finds a cocooned Dallas near the end of the film really destroys the pacing of the final act. The original theatrical cut was much better with a faster paced conclusion.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: clips on April 25, 2008, 12:40:21 AM
Another waste of time....those early trailers were deceiving,.....half of the movie is the predator actually tryin\' to find this thing, and then when it does it\'s dark as hell and you can\'t see s**t....then there were looong strecthes of pointless dialogue...the writing was almost as if i was watching a bad script of 90210...why were they so focused on these humans so much?...they were all forgettable...i almost fell asleep on it,...that\'s how long the strectches were between the action...
The action really didn\'t start to pick up until 1/4 way to the end,...and like i stated even then it was extremely dark to see the action.(they even pulled some of that shaky camera garbage..:rolleyes:)...let\'s just make sure that this series doesn\'t exist in the REAL aliens universe because this s**t is garbage to tha 20th power...:mad:....don\'t even bother renting this s**t....
*heh joker you posting cloverfield made me think about when i rented this corny-ass flick*
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on April 25, 2008, 12:44:37 AM
Quote from: clips
Another waste of time....those early trailers were deceiving,.....half of the movie is the predator actually tryin\' to find this thing, and then when it does it\'s dark as hell and you can\'t see s**t....then there were looong strecthes of pointless dialogue...the writing was almost as if i was watching a bad script of 90210...why were they so focused on these humans so much?...they were all forgettable...i almost fell asleep on it,...that\'s how long the strectches were between the action...
The action really didn\'t start to pick up until 1/4 way to the end,...and like i stated even then it was extremely dark to see the action.(they even pulled some of that shaky camera garbage..:rolleyes:)...let\'s just make sure that this series doesn\'t exist in the REAL aliens universe because this s**t is garbage to tha 20th power...:mad:....don\'t even bother renting this s**t....
*heh joker you posting cloverfield made me think about when i rented this corny-ass flick*
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Joker on April 25, 2008, 12:48:57 AM
Quote from: clips
*heh joker you posting cloverfield made me think about when i rented this corny-ass flick*
lol yeah AvP #1 was enough for me. Only time I can see myself watching AvP #2 is if its on free tv one random night. They focused on the humans way too much in the first one. Sounds like they did the same thing 2nd time around.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: clips on April 25, 2008, 01:57:55 AM
That\'s what your mother said to yer pop\'s right?...right after you were born....then she smacked his ass upside his head....
@joker...yea, man don\'t even bother....this movie was wack!!...
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: GigaShadow on April 25, 2008, 06:35:46 AM
Quote from: clips
Another waste of time....those early trailers were deceiving,.....half of the movie is the predator actually tryin\' to find this thing, and then when it does it\'s dark as hell and you can\'t see s**t....then there were looong strecthes of pointless dialogue...the writing was almost as if i was watching a bad script of 90210...why were they so focused on these humans so much?...they were all forgettable...i almost fell asleep on it,...that\'s how long the strectches were between the action...
The action really didn\'t start to pick up until 1/4 way to the end,...and like i stated even then it was extremely dark to see the action.(they even pulled some of that shaky camera garbage..:rolleyes:)...let\'s just make sure that this series doesn\'t exist in the REAL aliens universe because this s**t is garbage to tha 20th power...:mad:....don\'t even bother renting this s**t....
*heh joker you posting cloverfield made me think about when i rented this corny-ass flick*
Couldn\'t agree more. At least I am not alone about the movie being too damn dark.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on April 25, 2008, 07:03:42 AM
Bought it on Blu Ray. Still can\'t finish it.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on April 25, 2008, 08:16:06 AM
Quote from: clips
That\'s what your mother said to yer pop\'s right?...right after you were born....then she smacked his ass upside his head....
At least my father isn\'t in jail sucking dick for crack rock.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: clips on April 25, 2008, 09:58:20 AM
Quote from: Jumpman
At least my father isn\'t in jail sucking dick for crack rock.
But your mom sucks mine on a daily basis....and she sucky sucky for a long time too....every time i ask her if she\'s done givin\' me brains,...this biatch goes off and sounds like Amy Whinehouse and states...No, No, Nooooo!...
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on April 26, 2008, 05:38:25 AM
Quote from: clips
But your mom sucks mine on a daily basis....and she sucky sucky for a long time too....every time i ask her if she\'s done givin\' me brains,...this biatch goes off and sounds like Amy Whinehouse and states...No, No, Nooooo!...
Why don\'t we get off mothers...I just off reading a book about economically and socially inept black people who grow up with a flawed perspective off life that destined them to fail and make horrible comebacks on internet forums.
And yours.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: THX on April 26, 2008, 10:55:25 PM
The latest member rivalry erupts...
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on April 26, 2008, 11:50:38 PM
clips hates white people.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Paul2 on April 27, 2008, 12:05:05 AM
it seems more like he just doesn\'t like you individually. But honestly, not many members here like you though. *me runs and hide*
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on April 27, 2008, 12:20:54 AM
Id be willing to bet money more people like me than you.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on April 27, 2008, 12:55:03 AM
I\'m willing to bet against that.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Unicron! on April 27, 2008, 12:56:12 AM
Me 2
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on April 27, 2008, 01:34:28 AM
People who live on nobody continents don`t count.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Unicron! on April 27, 2008, 05:33:40 AM
Did someone say something?
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: clips on April 27, 2008, 11:37:49 AM
Quote from: Jumpman
Why don\'t we get off mothers...I just off reading a book about economically and socially inept black people who grow up with a flawed perspective off life that destined them to fail and make horrible comebacks on internet forums.
And yours.
Meh the same can be said about economically and socially inept white folk.... and it took you two days to come up with such a lame comeback?....and wtf is "i just off reading"....and.."a flawed perspective off life?".....and you\'re talkin\' about inept black folk?...:D...you\'re about as illiterate as they come!.....let me break it down in a way only your simple mind can comprehend....
Jumpy, go to he school and learn how to write in the country of you....capeesh?....
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on April 27, 2008, 12:19:38 PM
I don\'t even remember what I wrote in between there.
It led into a perfect punchline though.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: THX on April 27, 2008, 08:01:35 PM
Jumpman you\'re extremely racist for hating clips
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on April 27, 2008, 11:22:44 PM
It\'s not Jumpy\'s fault. I blame America. I blame the young black males of America. Due to the way they represent this country, we now have a problem with people outside of our country thinking that the young black males of America are "thugs" or "gangstas". This is an epidemic. I blame the fact that 63 percent of our juvenile offenders are black. I blame the rap music of today, with Kayne West singing about broke "niggers" and his "bling bling". I blame Nas and JAY Z for their hardcore rap wars. This is not a problem for the racist, this is a problem for the RACES. We have to take our youth back, we can\'t expect them to find their way when 80 percent of all African-American children will spend part of their childhood growing up away from their fathers. That\'s 80 percent, compared to the 40 percent of Canada. We can\'t keep overlooking this. We can\'t overlook the violence of such leaders such as the 2PAC or THE B.I.G , both who are gunned down. What can we expect from our Mexican children when this is the idols they look up to? We\'ve got to elect a strong BLACK man to power. We gotta get rid of these Fergies and Lil Wayne\'s that are only corrupting on latina children. We\'ve lost one minority, we can\'t give up on the future. We gotta erase the fact that with welfare, 238,535 minority cases closed, just 65,242 recipients--about 27 percent-- left because they had job, compared to the 41,099 white people --more than 40 percent--left the rolls because they earned enough income to no longer need benefits. If we don\'t, Canada will never get rid of their racism. I blame Clips for using Ebonics on a website, he\'s representing his people.
[size=6000] WE GOTTA MAKE A CHANGE FOR THE FUTURE [/size]
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Phil on April 28, 2008, 12:04:34 AM
Woohoo a race thread.
Where\'s quddus when you need him?
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on April 28, 2008, 12:13:17 AM
you wanna compare fucked up shit? America = capital of fucked up shit! I mean, you guys deep fry coke and top it with whipped cream. Thats just FUCKED UP!!
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Unicron! on April 29, 2008, 04:22:39 AM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
No shit, Sherlock. There is also fat people in every country.
Thanks for Captain Obvious there. Party Pooper.
(It however should be noted, that is the second case of someone being held captive for years at a time around those parts. Freaks!)
My comment was on the link you provided which was a failed attempt and proved nothing since that kind of fucked up shit happen everywhere. I wouldnt find it strange if in the US such kind of things happen more occasionally though.
And I hope you didnt confuse Austria with Australia.
As for obesity problems the US takes the crown. It is proven statistically
Unfortunately the "US way of diet" is being exported aggressively ruining the rest of the world\'s health as well. Statistics show that since the US fast food industry became multinational, the diet of the rest of the world is getting fucked up. Even asians that were famous for being low weight and with few heart problems are now joining the rest of the world with obesity and other health issues
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on April 29, 2008, 04:26:29 AM
Quote from: Unicron!
My comment was on the stupid link you provided which was a failed attempt and proved nothing since that kind of fucked up shit happen everywhere.
As for obesity problems the US takes the crown. It is proven statistically
You\'re a fucking idiot, if you can\'t detect a simple joke. Just like Souly was picking fun at the US. Also , not sure how a woman being held captive and raped is "stupid", but OK. I\'m sure if it was a sheep being held captive and raped you\'d be all up in arms about it. :shrugs:
God damn, get a clue.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Unicron! on April 29, 2008, 04:31:43 AM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
You\'re a fucking idiot, if you can\'t detect a simple joke. Just like Souly was picking fun at the US. Also , not sure how a woman being held captive and raped is "stupid", but OK. I\'m sure if it was a sheep being held captive and raped you\'d be all up in arms about it. :shrugs:
God damn, get a clue.
Simple joke...posting something that is disgusting and disturbing. You call that case a joke....ask Souly if he finds your stupid "jokes" funny. I suggest you take a mental test.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on April 29, 2008, 06:22:16 AM
Quote from: Unicron!
Simple joke...posting something that is disgusting and disturbing. You call that case a joke....ask Souly if he finds your stupid "jokes" funny. I suggest you take a mental test.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on April 29, 2008, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
Simple joke...posting something that is disgusting and disturbing. You call that case a joke....ask Souly if he finds your stupid "jokes" funny. I suggest you take a mental test.
You\'re a dumb douche. That\'s all.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Unicron! on April 30, 2008, 09:36:12 AM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
You\'re a dumb douche. That\'s all.
Whatever you say boy
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on April 30, 2008, 10:12:08 AM
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Titan on April 30, 2008, 11:55:44 AM
Um....I do have to say that captivity story is the worst I\'ve ever heard. Far worse than anything I\'ve read here in America.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on April 30, 2008, 12:49:04 PM
I donno, i think 2 planes flying into buildings killing shit loads of people is a lot worse.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on April 30, 2008, 12:56:39 PM
Yeah.
American flying planes into their own building is pretty f\'ed up.
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on April 30, 2008, 01:13:06 PM
Quote from: §ôµÏG®ïñD
I donno, i think 2 planes flying into buildings killing shit loads of people is a lot worse.
I\'m still not sure it ever happened. I think it was maybe a hologram and then the government used that for some weird war.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on May 01, 2008, 04:36:03 AM
Quote from: Jumpman
Yeah.
American flying planes into their own building is pretty f\'ed up.
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
where did i say yanks were flying the plane?
moron moron moron.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on May 01, 2008, 04:50:17 AM
You made it sound like the worst story was American caused, when American had nothing to do with 9/11.
Unless you need a repeat on how the discussion was going...
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OY OY OY
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: clips on May 01, 2008, 04:57:04 AM
Quote from: Jumpman
You made it sound like the worst story was American caused, when American had nothing to do with 9/11.
Unless you need a repeat on how the discussion was going...
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OY OY OY
Uhm...i think he was directly answering titan,...but yeah...everybody was generally picking on the other\'s country in term\'s of that particular incest story....then soully goes off and makes it seem like he stated americans crashed the planes into the bldgs themselves,....when in actuality he was responding to titan,...*but when i first read that comment i thought the same thing*.....
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on May 01, 2008, 05:16:15 AM
Just look how it comes off. Maybe he mis wrote, or meant to say something else, but this is the conversation
(Something from LIC about a terrible Aussie story, SG countering saying america is king of fucked up shit)
Quote from: Titan
Um....I do have to say that captivity story is the worst I\'ve ever heard. Far worse than anything I\'ve read here in America.
Quote from: §ôµÏG®ïñD
I donno, i think 2 planes flying into buildings killing shit loads of people is a lot worse.
Either he went off topic, or he\'s implying 9/11 was America\'s doing. Why else would he mention that because we all know America is completely in the clear in fucked up shit when another country/organization attacks you.
Too many nun chucks to the head imo.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on May 01, 2008, 05:46:41 AM
Aussie story? you a retard? don\'t know where Australia and AUSTRIA are on the world map. and if RAZ was implying that it was in Australia too, he\'s just as stupid as you.
and as fucked up shit happening in countries. You don\'t think what happened was fucked up?
whether it was by an american or not wasn\'t the point. What happened and how fucked up it was is. Planes flying into buildings killing shit loads of people is fucked up. If you don\'t think it is, then you\'re fucked up too!!
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: Jumpman on May 01, 2008, 06:04:15 AM
I know it was fucked up, but in the manner which you posted/momentum of thread made it look like Americans were somehow at fault. That\'s all I\'m saying.
I meant to say Austria instead of Aussie too. I just like saying Aussie, and I have it on good authority Austria is somewhere underneath or to the right of Germany. See how mis worded posts confuse people.
Now that\'s fucked up.
Title: Alien v. Predator 2
Post by: GmanJoe on May 01, 2008, 06:08:11 AM
The funny thing about this pic is that the hot sexy woman is actually an American. :laughing:
I haven\'t read this thread in weeks. WEEKS. And talk about a derailed topic.....9/11? BWHAHAHA!