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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: GmanJoe on November 02, 2007, 06:01:46 AM
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932369&topic=39239959
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I can\'t stop seeing it as \'gamefags\' which is probably pretty accurate when you think about it.
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Gamefaqs ; Game Frequently Asked Questions\'s
Gamefags ; Game Feminine Ass Gay Sex\'s
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GAy MEn\'s Frequently Assed Questions
I think Aaron posts there too. ;)
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hahahah I was never expecting that. I wonder if he saw this.
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GAy MEn\'s Frequently Assed Questions
I think Aaron posts there too. ;)
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Duh. That\'s what you scream at night when you dream about our little date.
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I don\'t understand adults getting upset about a bad review for a platformer that is marketed to 6 year olds.
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I don\'t understand adults getting upset about a bad review for a platformer that is marketed to 6 year olds.
Hey! I like that game! [SIZE="7"]MOM!!![/SIZE]
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I read those posts, looking for MM on there somewhere, to say Aaron gave R&C a bad review simply for site traffic. Didn\'t see it.
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\'I also love the fact that these idiots are claiming a personal bias on Aaron\'s part against Sony, little do they know he use to be one of the head moderators for a PS2 board (that use to be very active).
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I don\'t understand adults getting upset about a bad review for a platformer that is marketed to 6 year olds.
I think it is a pretty good game for everyone. I played the demo as well as the old games and they were very good and fun
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I read those posts, looking for MM on there somewhere, to say Aaron gave R&C a bad review simply for site traffic. Didn\'t see it.
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don\'t think i\'ve ever posted on "gamefaqs" forum.
glad to see my name alone can still make you waste your time, however.
i still say aaron\'s review was way off base, and will unfortuntely affect his future.
being an amateur reviewer for a major gaming web portal is certainly tough and it shows.
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this is kinda like battle of the titans...
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Thats a whole lotta nerd hate coming Aaron\'s way.
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don\'t think i\'ve ever posted on "gamefaqs" forum.
glad to see my name alone can still make you waste your time, however.
i still say aaron\'s review was way off base, and will unfortuntely affect his future.
being an amateur reviewer for a major gaming web portal is certainly tough and it shows.
There wasn\'t a single thing off base about Aaron\'s review. Want to know why? Because it was his opinion and he is paid to review a game, from his opinion. It\'s almost like saying, simply because someone doesn\'t agree with the review, that his opinion is wrong.
If anything, Aaron should be apperciated for giving his actual opinion, even if it disagree\'s with the masses. A lot of reviewers would simply give a game a high score because that is what they are supposed to do, but he didn\'t. He wrote what he felt and even if you don\'t agree with it, that is what he is paid to do. Write an honest review.
I personally have not played the game, so I am not saying Aaron\'s review is wrong or right, I\'m saying it\'s his opinion, his review, which is exactly what he gets paid for.
glad to see my name alone can still make you waste your time,
I\'m at work, what else do I have to do but waste my time?
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^ agree. mm, i thought u hated the idea of people following the masses, yet you\'ve just basically done exactly that. He wrote his opinion, how is that wrong again? I found it amusing seeing people whine about a review. It was quite entertaining. When i read gmanjoe\'s "mom" i can\'t help but laugh out loud.
nerds...
found a smilyface that suit em :hissyfit:
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all reviewers have an obligation to review every game with utter indifference which he simply did not do.
he compares it to past titles, assuming he\'s played them, and then bitches about features that has made the franchise what it is?
the best thing he could do to save journalistic integrity is to right a follow-up.
what a way to get net-awareness right?
at any rate, gamespot\'s reviews always suck.
mainly since they don\'t show weighted criteria like graphics, sound, replayability, etc.
just some dude playing the games and giving whatever we feels as a score.
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how do you know for sure he did that just to get attention? It\'s possible he did that based on his opinion?
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from gamespot\'s review policy
"Wait, reviews are just opinions. Right?"
Actually, we don\'t think so. While our reviews, of course, do contain an element of subjectivity to them, we see the process of reviewing games as one that primarily involves the reporting of facts.
right.......
what about the fact that RCF is one the best PS3 exclusives in quite some time.
aaron piled up tiny complaints to give a mediocre review, but has FAR more repercussions than just a bunch of dudes on some forum (this one included)
they gave conan a 7.5 review......:rofl:
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he compares it to past titles, assuming he\'s played them, and then bitches about features that has made the franchise what it is?
the best thing he could do to save journalistic integrity is to right a follow-up.
what a way to get net-awareness right?
If this is the case, no one should ever mention the fact that a game is a sequel. We shouldn\'t complain that certain franchises are not developing with each installment, simply because they are "features that made the franchise".
the best thing he could do to save journalistic integrity is to right a follow-up.
WRONG !!!
The best thing he can do is stand by his opinion. If he backtracks now, simply to give into the masses, then he truly loses any intergrity in his reviews, because then, a reader knows he isn\'t fully behind his own opinion.
right.......
what about the fact that RCF is one the best PS3 exclusives in quite some time.
aaron piled up tiny complaints to give a mediocre review, but has FAR more repercussions than just a bunch of dudes on some forum (this one included)
You act like this review is going to end his career. It\'s not. He gave a highly acclaimed game a medicore review - big deal. The forum nerds will get over it and he\'ll continue to write reviews for Gamespot. This isn\'t the end of the world for Aaron.
they gave conan a 7.5 review......
Did Aaron? No? Does it compare directly to R&C? No? Then what is the point of bringing this up? What one reviewer may like, doesn\'t mean another will. This goes for anything. You may hate the Conan game, but another reviewer may find it slightly above average and rate it according to that opinion.
just some dude playing the games and giving whatever we feels as a score
....Which is exactly what a review is. It is "some dude playing the games and giving whatever HE feels as a score". This translates from \'net reviews and actual magazine reviews.
I\'d much rather see Aaron take some heat for giving his honest review, as opposed to hearing later on that he gave the game a great score beause he was suppose to.
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once again Raz, you are on fire.
You brought out some really good points once again. props to you. :applause:
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Raz is a gamefag! Burn him!
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Here is an example, watch some gourmet food shows, those chefs taste something and say if it\'s crap or not - but what are they doing when they review this food? They are giving us their opinion on it. They may not like this food, but I may friggin\' love it. Or it could be the other way around. This translates into any kind of review and it\'s exactly why two things are important when thinking of reviews.
1: Don\'t base your opinion on reviews. Sure, you can read them to get a quick feel, but you don\'t know if you\'ll like it or not, until YOU try it. Remember that this guy is only giving you his opinion of the item he is reviewing.
2: If you do use reviews, read a bunch and find a reviewer that has similar taste and nitpicks that you do with the games or movies.
All these forum nerds and what not who want to burn Aaron at the stake have one problem.. To much time on their hands. Don\'t like his review? Don\'t read it. Don\'t sit here and try to point out how he is "wrong" - when in reality he isn\'t wrong, he can\'t be wrong, because he done his job. He gave his opinion on the game he was given to review. It may be wrong to you, but for him and most likely some others, his review was right on the money.
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Well I sure wouldnt want someone who doesnt like chinese food to be a reviewer of chinese cuisine recipes. Some forms of art suffer from more subjectivity than others too.
The reviewer should give an opinion objectively taking into consideration at the same time that people dont read the review to learn about his personal tastes. They read the review to see if the game serves their tastes. If the review begins to feel too individualistic, you just know that you arent reading an objective review. You are reading about some random guy\'s personal taste.
Reading his review I do see some of his critics a little too vague, some are irrelevant with the quality of a game and others are not explained at all on "why or what made you think that".
I feel that his review is not well done. The overreaction though of people who read his review is funny
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And if his review something but praise about the game and gave it a 10/10, there would be no big deal. In fact, his review would of been the first posted and drooled over, even if all he wrote was.
\'This game owns..10/10!!"
Fact is, the only reason any of you are making a deal out of this review, is because it goes against what you THINK he should of wrote.
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You think Ratchets 7.5 is funny? THIS is funny: http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/tonyhawksproskater3/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;review
Gamespot.. yeah.
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Wow...who gives a fuck?
On a side note, I don\'t think I\'ve been to GameSpot in years.
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Did I make a deal out of it?
If he gave a 10/10 and everyone else gave it a 7.5 then again his review would have shown some form of bias again and people would have felt it too.
If he gave it a 10/10 and everyone else gave it a 9/10 then even if his review is biased it wont matter. It cant deviate positively a lot away from the 9 general average. The maximum deviation is +1. No big deal.
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I personally have not played the game
his review was right on the money.
how would know his review is right on the money when you haven\'t played it?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
i hope you\'re investing serious time into this argument.
Fact is, the only reason any of you are making a deal out of this review, is because it goes against what you THINK he should of wrote.
wrong again, people are disputing his review because it goes against what the rest of the professional review community thought of the game.
this isn\'t a cult favorite, this is a proven franchise.
one dude poorly reviewing a great title because of not being subjective, which can have an effect on its sales.
a travesty
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all credibility you had with me mm just went out the window.
You\'re a "jump on the band wagon" type of person. Shame...
ps. who gives a shit what the rest of the professional review community wrote. He was writing a review on his experience with the game. What is so hard to understand about that?
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how would know his review is right on the money when you haven\'t played it?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
i hope you\'re investing serious time into this argument.
wrong again, people are disputing his review because it goes against what the rest of the professional review community thought of the game.
this isn\'t a cult favorite, this is a proven franchise.
one dude poorly reviewing a great title because of not being subjective, which can have an effect on its sales.
a travesty
You need to learn how to read. Or at least quit doing selective quoting. I obviously said that for SOME people, his review was right on the money. I never said that his review was right on the money for me. So please, before you start this debate, at least make sure you know what you are quoting. So, in return, I hope YOU are investing some serious time into this, because you\'re just grasping at straws when you start selective quoting.
wrong again, people are disputing his review because it goes against what the rest of the professional review community thought of the game.
this isn\'t a cult favorite, this is a proven franchise.
one dude poorly reviewing a great title because of not being subjective, which can have an effect on its sales.
a travesty
Mario Sunshine was part of a proven franchise and guess what? It sucked. Some people loved on it the other hand. I love this whole idea that because the masses think the game is great, Aaron should just fall in hand and give the game an outstanding review, even if he didn\'t mean it. Just amazes me that you would rather read a PR hype sheet, as opposed to what the reviewer actually thought when he was playing the game.
If he gave a 10/10 and everyone else gave it a 7.5 then again his review would have shown some form of bias again and people would have felt it too.
No, if he had given the game a 10/10, people on this board, Gamefaqs and other boards would be praising his review and posting it as the benchmark of all reviews. The only reason people have a problem with his review is because it goes against what they think he should of wrote, because they hate to read a single negative thing about a PS3 exclusive. This translates into any console fanboy.
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soully...he\'s a reviewer, not a critic.
now sure how they handle things on the underbelly of the world where you are.
this isn\'t SDF giving halo 3 had review.
LIC, how can you possibly say the review is right on the money for anyone when you haven\'t played it at all?
oh, you\'re arguing just to argue.
i understand, but still find it amusing.
reminds me of watchdog.
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No, if he had given the game a 10/10, people on this board, Gamefaqs and other boards would be praising his review and posting it as the benchmark of all reviews. The only reason people have a problem with his review is because it goes against what they think he should of wrote, because they hate to read a single negative thing about a PS3 exclusive. This translates into any console fanboy.
Which as I said this would have been natural, no big deal and not much different from a 9+/10 of press average so I still dont know why you are making such an issue out of it by using such assumptions. If the game took a 10/10 from one site and a 7.5 press average, that one 10/10 would have been meaningless and overshadowed. Gamers most likely would have noticed it\'s mediocre quality by playing the game just like the general press.
Also I dont know why you have a problem with people in this board pointing towards the possibility is not well written. I also dont understand why you believe that anyone who thinks his review is not well written is necessarilly a fanboy. It is almost obvious that his review is bad written and does not represent the true quality of the game.
Reviewers can do mistakes or a bad job too.
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No, if he had given the game a 10/10, people on this board, Gamefaqs and other boards would be praising his review and posting it as the benchmark of all reviews. The only reason people have a problem with his review is because it goes against what they think he should of wrote, because they hate to read a single negative thing about a PS3 exclusive. This translates into any console fanboy.
Which as I said this would have been natural, no big deal and not much different from a 9+/10 of press average so I still dont know why you are making such an issue out of it by using such assumptions. If the game took a 10/10 from one site and a 7.5 press average, that one 10/10 would have been meaningless and overshadowed. Gamers most likely would have noticed it\'s mediocre quality by playing the game just like the general press.
Also I dont know why you have a problem with people in this board pointing towards the possibility that it is not well written. I also dont understand why you believe that anyone who thinks his review is not well written is necessarilly a fanboy. It is almost obvious that his review is bad written and does not represent the true quality of the game.
Reviewers can do mistakes or a bad job too.
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i don\'t think people in this board care if his review is right on the money or not. i think we are smarter than that and we have better things to do than take a review personally or seriously. For interested and curious gamers of this game, they can just download the demo and play it and let them decide what they think of it.
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aaron was a great member of this forum, i\'m not taking that into consideration when discussing his review.
perhaps this is what offends LIC?
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soully...he\'s a reviewer, not a critic.
now sure how they handle things on the underbelly of the world where you are.
this isn\'t SDF giving halo 3 had review.
LIC, how can you possibly say the review is right on the money for anyone when you haven\'t played it at all?
oh, you\'re arguing just to argue.
i understand, but still find it amusing.
reminds me of watchdog.
And you\'re trying to say that most likely NO ONE agree\'s with his review - which we all know is false. Simple odds would dictate that someone, somewhere agree\'s with Aaron\'s review and even if they don\'t, he still done his job, he detailed what he liked and disliked about this game. You just want to focus on the negative things he said, because the game didn\'t get the score that the masses think it deserves.
If I remind you of Watchdog, then you must be Clowd, as you\'re simply jumping on the bandwagon that denies and tries to argue against anything that may show a negative light on the PS3, no matter how small it is, like Aaron\'s review.
LIC, how can you possibly say the review is right on the money for anyone when you haven\'t played it at all?
I know you aren\'t dumb, I would never think that, but I can\'t understand why you want to avoid simple logic. There are other people out there, somewhere who most likely do not care for this game. I don\'t need to play the game to know this .
Also I dont know why you have a problem with people in this board pointing towards the possibility that it is not well written. I also dont understand why you believe that anyone who thinks his review is not well written is necessarilly a fanboy. It is almost obvious that his review is bad written and does not represent the true quality of the game.
I tend not to read anything you read, because ninety percent of the time it is complete garbage, but this part struck me as funny. What is so "bad" about his review? As I\'ve stated time and time again, he done his job. He wrote about the game, explained the game and gave his opinion on the game after he was finished.
It\'s just like in a previous thread, someone posted all these glowing reviews of the game, but then turned around and said that 1up, Gamespot and another site didn\'t matter, because they was "biased garbage". You know what I call that? Selective. It\'s selective reviewing, selective reading and just plain selective. You\'re only reading what you want to read and anything other than that is "biased garbage" or just "written bad".
aaron was a great member of this forum, i\'m not taking that into consideration when discussing his review.
perhaps this is what offends LIC?
Wrong, yet again. Yes Aaron was a great member of this forum, but I am defending his review because I think he done his job.
You know what else is funny about this? Take a magazine like EGM that offers multiple viewpoints on reviews, quite often one reviewer won\'t care for a game as much as the other two did, does anyone care about that? No. The forum nerds and \'net geeks don\'t go on a witch hunt then , but when you take a singular review like Aaron\'s and compare it against other \'net reviews, all of a sudden there is some big difference. I just don\'t see it. If Aaron had wrote this review for EGM and there was two other viewpoint boxes next to his, his medicore score of the game would of been read and forgotten.
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cliff notes please......
more text does not certainly help prove your point (whatever that may be)
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soully...he\'s a reviewer, not a critic.
now sure how they handle things on the underbelly of the world where you are.
this isn\'t SDF giving halo 3 had review.
LIC, how can you possibly say the review is right on the money for anyone when you haven\'t played it at all?
oh, you\'re arguing just to argue.
i understand, but still find it amusing.
reminds me of watchdog.
so you\'re saying he\'s not meant to have any sort of bias being that its a review.
yet why do they have a rating system?
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What people base their reviews on are almost always subjective so you can\'t have a 100% objective review hence why there isn\'t just one review of the game. Aaron gave his opinion (honest or not) and stated his reasons for his score, not sure why people are so pissy about it. I\'d personally rather have a number of reviews that disagree on a score that way I can get a gauge on which opinion best matches mine.
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i think what LIC and and everbody else is saying is just personal taste or opinion. Like food, drink, hobbies, etc.
some would give this food a 10/10 while other would give it a 7/10, etc. same could be said about drink and hobbies...
also, people have different taste when it comes to which girl or guy is pretty or hot and they also have a scale rating of how hot they think that person is...
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cliff notes please......
more text does not certainly help prove your point (whatever that may be)
And once again, you resort to childish things to try and get your "point" across (whatever that may be).
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no, i just refuse to entertain you in the slighest.
one you play the game, then you have the ability to defend aaron\'s critique.
so you\'re saying he\'s not meant to have any sort of bias being that its a review.
yet why do they have a rating system?
gamespot\'s review system is garbage, as already explained.
try to keep up.
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mm, how\'s kinder going again?
you fail to grasp any logic. I can\'t be bothered replying to retarded 2 line replies that have nothing remotely to do with anything anymore.
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Exactly, he actually use to try.
I don\'t need to play the game to defend Aaron\'s review, for one simple reason... If I played the game, when I was done, I will have formed my own opinion of it. I could do my OWN review then. The difference is, Aaron gets paid to write down his thoughts and experiences with a game and that is exactly what he done.
As Soul said, logic just goes beyond you obviously.
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Just a question. Isn\'t a review nothing but the writers opinion about what is being reviewed? I don\'t think I\'ve ever read a restaurant review that was "indifferent". They said what they felt of the food. If they hated it, they said it, if they liked it, they said so. Same goes for movies, TV and video games. One of my professors is a TV reviewer and he was talking about shows he reviewed for this fall and he said which ones he liked and didn\'t and wrote about why. That is the point of the review. If soemone agrees with it, then they agree with it, if not, then they can write a counter review. That\'s why users write reviews on sites because a professional review is different from a user review. Professionals are paid to be critical and users are just saying their opinions.
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can we get back to the original point which was inconsistencies being pointed out in aaron\'s review?
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I\'m still playing the game. Aaron needs a new hobby. This game is at worst, 8.5 out of 10.
To throw it in the level of mediocrity is shameful. Perhaps Aaron should work for G4, they trounce on the PS system there quite often.
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I tend not to read anything you read, because ninety percent of the time it is complete garbage, but this part struck me as funny. What is so "bad" about his review? As I\'ve stated time and time again, he done his job. He wrote about the game, explained the game and gave his opinion on the game after he was finished.
Too bad I thought you changed but it seems that nothing can change you. Not even after you got banned for your arrogance and bad attitude.
Yeah we all know he has done his job. Congrats for stating the obvious....."again". But just like in any job, anyone can do mistakes or bad work.
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i still fail to understand how his own opinion on a game could be wrong. I understand the structure of his review isn\'t great, but people seem more concerned about the negativity towards a game he disliked.
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we\'re not contesting he didn\'t like the game and voiced his negativity about it ><
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yea umm no kidding mm, thats what i just said.
try to keep up.
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yeah, you\'re pointing out the obvious as usual. you didn\'t need to post at all.
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Three pages strong?....Aaron\'s career is over?....naw, this is just going to spread his name all over the net-world....I can see where both LIC and mm are comin\' from....when a person reviews a game, they should review that game based on the overall quality of the game,...no personal tastes should be involved at all....just like when car mags reviews let\'s say a ferrari...no-matter what they will always agree that the said ferrari will always do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds,...if another car mag reviews the same ferrari but favors Lambo\'s heavily and states that the same ferrari does 0-60 in like 6 seconds then something is amiss.
That said tho alot of people in the reviewing or critic business will sometimes pick a reviewer that specializes in that specific category, so maybe you\'ll have somebody who reviews rpg\'s and holds all rpg\'s to be able to stack up to final fantasy games, all of the final fantasy games are good in general, but you may find people (as was said earlier) that don\'t like the set-up of the final fantasy games...
Then you have people that review games that not a fan of the genre at all, and to me that\'s a huge mistake,..i\'ve read reviewers actually say,.."well soinso isn\'t here this week so i\'m doing the review of this game, but i\'m not a huge fan of this genre, but i\'ll give it my best shot"......but i will say this,..people gettin their thongs in a twist over this really is scary...cause it really just isn\'t that serious,... just rent the game and see if you like it yourself.
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Three pages strong?....Aaron\'s career is over?....naw, this is just going to spread his name all over the net-world....I can see where both LIC and mm are comin\' from....when a person reviews a game, they should review that game based on the overall quality of the game,...no personal tastes should be involved at all....just like when car mags reviews let\'s say a ferrari...no-matter what they will always agree that the said ferrari will always do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds,...if another car mag reviews the same ferrari but favors Lambo\'s heavily and states that the same ferrari does 0-60 in like 6 seconds then something is amiss.
I read car and driver and the review sthey do, they still give the pros and cons and their opinions on the car.
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How can anyone review anything with a rating system without an opinion. It would make the rating null and void. Of course personal opinion comes into play, how can it not. You\'re reviewing something that you\'re personally playing / driving etc.
For example the car response. You\'ll say factual crap, but you\'ll also talk about how the car feels when driving it, its response to your driving abilities crap like that. Most people will respond differently to this kind of thing, it\'s the same with games. As the saying goes, to each their own. We all play games differently, we all react to games differently and we all respond to games differently. Play a game without any bias?! bs!
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It depends on what that opinion is and where it is based on. How was it formed? Is it because of predetermined personal tastes? Is it because you feel that something was wrong in general regardless of your tastes? Is it because you tend to grasp on unimportant things? Being objective doesnt mean you dont express an opinion.
I for example often get very very bored with a GT game. And there are pretty good reasons for being bored. And I can point out what makes me bored, and if I reviewed the game based on what makes me enjoy a driving game it might have gotten a 7. But still, I can also understand what the game really is and can describe what makes it a great driving sim and a must have for driving fans. Under this point of view I can easilly give it a 9+. Both are personal opinions.
There are games I hate but I can point out to a friend the great things about them because I know that, taking out my personal taste and crankiness, they are very good titles for someone else who is neutral to enjoy. I dislike GRAW for many obvious reasons, but I reckomend it as a very good option to my friends who are looking for a good shooter seeking for the elements I dislike, because these elements arent necessarilly bad in a game. They are bad for me.
Anyways. The problem/funny thing here is the overreaction and huge anger of people about his review and not the fact that they didnt like the review and decided to talk about it.
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i love how soully continues to argue a point nobody is contesting.
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ah, mm.. people are contesting that writing a review with an opinion is wrong. Thats what this entire thread is about. Aaron judging a game and writing his opinion about it.
looking through all the past replies you\'ve had, well some anyway. You\'ve bitched that he\'s used personal opinion and not a un-biased approach to the review.
all reviewers have an obligation to review every game with utter indifference which he simply did not do.
wrong again, people are disputing his review because it goes against what the rest of the professional review community thought of the game.
this isn\'t a cult favorite, this is a proven franchise.
one dude poorly reviewing a great title because of not being subjective, which can have an effect on its sales.
a travesty
soully...he\'s a reviewer, not a critic.
this entire time you\'ve been basically saying personal opinion should stay out of a review.
which is it mm. personal opinion or not?
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You\'re all gay. The end.