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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: clips on November 10, 2007, 01:53:40 AM
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I\'m not sure what to make of this, it sounds like after all the hoopla, they\'re givin up on cell, but then it sounds like they\'re just selling the factories that make them, but then it states that toshiba and ibm will still be involved with the cell chip tech and that sony is working on an even smaller version of the tech?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6182641.html?tag=latestnews;title;1
after reading it again it actually does sound like sony is going in another direction as far as cell is concerned,...and if that is true what is the future and tech of the next ps system? they hyped the hell outta cell for it\'s processing strength and now it seems that development costs was killing the company....hell it was probably a strong processor, but you could probably get the same results(gaming wise) found in cheaper traditional chips. So who knows maybe this will lead the way to future systems with cheaper tech and still putting out strong visuals and performance and get this...tech that will be easy to develop on.
Still if that is the case, it would seem that sony kinda abandoned the tech after standing so strongly by it,..oh well it was never a secret that the cell tech was a bitch to develop for,...again maybe this will lead to easier to develop on technology in future systems.
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theyll always find a way to make the console just as good as the 360 (sry to bring the 360 up, but it\'s their only competition,lol), so im hoping this\'ll just make the console more affordable. Even with this chip, all we heard was potential...im just curious if this affects MGS or GT since both seem to be using the ps3 the way it should\'ve been used
im not too surprised that they had to drop it despite being so behind it. If you want to sell something new, of course you\'re going to be behind it 110% and advertise the hell out of it.
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The CELL was nothing more than an overpriced hype. Won\'t really effect this current generation, but glad to see Sony is realizing the error of their ways.
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you might want to insert a "probably" in there.
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Nah.
I posted my opinion, no need for the probably.
The Cell has been a disappointment so far.
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So 3 large companies were investing and spending millions since 2001 (or was it 2000) on a hype machine than the actual processor only to release something they wouldnt like and utilize in terms of practical usage. Hmm
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Nah.
I posted my opinion, no need for the probably.
The Cell has been a disappointment so far.
when PS3 titles start to pass up 360 in graphics (they arguably already have), i might remotely be interested enough in hearing your explanation.
people mocked PS2\'s "emotion engine" for just a little while
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they arguably already have? why are the framerates on so many ps3 games so shitty? and the only game with the possibility of being better was COD4...and they look identical
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when PS3 titles start to pass up 360 in graphics (they arguably already have), i might remotely be interested enough in hearing your explanation.
people mocked PS2\'s "emotion engine" for just a little while
....Yeah, what games have already surpassed the 360? Still waiting on this one. Get back to me when those great games are actually released.
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The world\'s leading supercomputer is using the CELL technology. It\'s pretty early to be shunning something out. IBM is certainly not giving up on the technology.
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doesn\'t mean sony didnt waste their money
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This translates into gaming, how?
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....Yeah, what games have already surpassed the 360? Still waiting on this one. Get back to me when those great games are actually released.
dirt?
oblivion?
not worth mentioning more because you\'ll just dismiss anyways
i can\'t tell if you\'re being ignorant or argumentative.
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Power or no power, the PS3 is the GameCube of this generation.
That\'s good, though. I bought the GameCube at launch.
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dirt?
oblivion?
not worth mentioning more because you\'ll just dismiss anyways
i can\'t tell if you\'re being ignorant or argumentative.
both games also came out a decent amout of time later than the 360 versions.
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Power or no power, the PS3 is the GameCube of this generation.
That\'s good, though. I bought the GameCube at launch.
Wii has one good game. And it\'s free.
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both games also came out a decent amout of time later than the 360 versions.
always an excuse....
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the line between reasoning and excuse is up to what you want to see
dont act like you\'re impervious to being bias...its pretty annoying
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doesn\'t mean sony didnt waste their money
But this is irrelevant to how many prospects Cell offers. Also we dont know the exact reasons Sony backed away from Cell. Obviously IBM and Toshiba dont feel that way.
Sony may be just changing strategy plans for their business as a whole. They shifted people who worked on Cell towards other specific departments. This doesnt necesarrily translate to a waste of time and effort. There are probably mewly appearing opportunity costs involved they had to consider.
As for Cell being a waste of time in the console this is debatable still. Ninja Theory found great uses for Cell\'s SPU\'s as well as Naughty Dog in Uncharted and both games do things that are incredible.
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the line between reasoning and excuse is up to what you want to see
dont act like you\'re impervious to being bias...its pretty annoying
as an owner of all 3 consoles, plus a dislike of all 3 companies, i am impervious.
however, ignorance has always found a way to rustle my feathers.
i bet LIC has an excuse as well
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owning all 3 consoles doesnt make you unbiased. My 360 fanboy friend has a ps3..so i guess he loves and hates all equally
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The only ignorant person around here, is MM.
Just because you own all 3 consoles does not mean you aren\'t biased, it\'s obvious you are biased by the way you have to jump and defend everytime someone knocks Sony.
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i haven\'t seen anyone aside from Clowd bash microsoft lately for me to get involved......
shame you guys bullied him off.
you still haven\'t admitted that there are PS3 games that look better than their 360 counterpart and that you were wrong.
:)
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i haven\'t seen anyone aside from Clowd bash microsoft lately for me to get involved......
shame you guys bullied him off.
you still haven\'t admitted that there are PS3 games that look better than their 360 counterpart and that you were wrong.
:)
We\'ve been over this, there are 360 games that look better than on the PS3 - whats your point? You only like to see one side , the PS3 side, as opposed to looking at it from all angles.
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point? you must have forget my original comment was questioning your complete dismissal of the cell CPU.
how about the \'LIC was wrong\' angle?
i see that one
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How about the \'you\'re a troll\' angle? Anywhere else you\'d be banned by now, because you\'re an obvious troll.
I see that one.
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:rofl:
just like old days, i love it
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Glad you love it. Doesn\'t really bother me one way or the other. I\'ve accepted you\'re a PS fanboy who refuses to acknowledge that Sony makes mistakes or the weakness of the system. -shrugs-
I\'m not going to debate this anymore, you can say I\'m wrong, I say you\'re wrong and this whole cycle continues.
/goes back to playing The Witcher - on the obvious best platform, the PC.
;)
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you still didn\'t acknowledge that PS3 titles can, have, and will look better than various 360 titles thanks in part to the cell.....
agreed, PC > all
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You still haven\'t proven that they will.
You just named two games off and tried to pass it off as fact and I said that there are currently games on the 360 that look better.
PC > all.
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i proved that they have...."will" is down the road.
also named two games when you claimed there were none
could have listed more, but that would be futile
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MLB 2k7, F.E.A.R
omg its so proven that the 360 is better than the ps3...
i mean..based on two games..how much proof do you need. It\'s not like more than the hardware goes into making a game look good..this guy,lol..think theres other factors that make a good looking game than good hardware
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uhhhh, that wasn\'t contested.
might want to read through the thread before jumping in randomly.
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it was implied. The reason those 2 games you brought up are better on the ps3 than the 360 is because of the hardware...the whole point of this thread is about hardware
What im getting at is there\'s more reasons than the cell that those games look better on the ps3 than the 360..same reason why those 2 games on the 360 look better than the ps3 versions
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the massive 256mb of system memory in the PS3 perhaps?
MLB 2k7, F.E.A.R framerates are dev issues, not hardware related.
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read that second part a couple more times
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the massive 256mb of system memory in the PS3 perhaps?
MLB 2k7, F.E.A.R framerates are dev issues, not hardware related.
looks to me like you keep diggin a deeper hole of bs. I love it!!
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Who makes games? Devs? If Devs can\'t properly use CELL, what is the point of CELL?
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Who makes games? Devs? If Devs can\'t properly use CELL, what is the point of CELL?
ill sum up the next three posts for us
mm: that was only two games
me: you only pointed out two games
mm: you\'re ignorant
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There\' s no way to define an absolute to claim \'proper\' use of Cell. It\'s a totally arbitrary factor ; which will become more and more evident with games which have been coded exclusively for PS3.
Besides, it\'s the \' sum\' of factors which makes PS3 game development work, including artistic direction ( for example ; devs can make a conscious decision to use a certain low contrast color palette to which helps lessen aliasing effect ; thus this artistic direction is technically driven )
The 4MB vram in PS2\'s GSX was also bashed for a long time.... devs learned to use tricks like vertex blending to seamlessly use less amount of textures, doing more detail in geometry ; the EE \'s strength.
We can already see PS3\'s benefits here & there in easy handling of layered animation (Uncharted) and many huge levels without much loading ; seamless game worlds ; in contrast to Gears of War\'s engine which is limited to UE3\'s block per block design ; it\'s not a continues seamless 3D world.
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RSX is not limited to 256MB btw. It can access system RAM as well. The Cell is what cant access from RSX\'s VRAM.
Who makes games? Devs? If Devs can\'t properly use CELL, what is the point of CELL?
Its just an adaptation period. It is a matter of time and although a great deal of developers dont seem to use it proberly there are others that are already adapting and do wonderful things.
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P3 800mhz
256mb PC-100 SDRAM
Elsa Gladiac GeForce2 GTS
Creative Live! Value
Antec ATX case w/210w PSU
17" (16.1 viewable) Samsung Syncmaster
Keyboard & Mouse
the works....
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This developer sdk price cut was about time : http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=30736 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=30736)
a more significant by Sony step than the 40Gb model/consumer pricecut AND the backing out of Cell development.