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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: THX on November 18, 2007, 08:51:35 AM
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http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748588/vid_2195292.html
Looks cool, not sure I\'d buy a Wii just for that though.
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I have it. It\'s worth the Wii purchase.
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But... it\'s just a fat Italian plumber running around... but it\'s getting super reviews so I guess there\'s something to it. :D
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Wow it looks fantastic, and I would love to play this game, but I still do not think it\'s worth a console purchase, when Wii actually builds a decent library only then would I buy a unit.
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This is really tempting me to get a wii. With mario, metroid, zelda, SSB, and GH, I\'d be set.
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Skip zelda, just borrow it from someone who likely didn\'t finish it.
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I was at the mall today shoping for presents and low and behold I strolled past EB. All I could think of was snatching a console just to play Mario. I wonder maybe it\'s becuase Mario for many of us represents joyful memories in our childhood, that and Nintendo usually does a fantastic job at the mario series.
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The Wii has a respectable library now, as long as you don\'t like RPGs.
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Other than Zelda what does the wii have that is interesting?
I see people mostly playing wii sports with the thing
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I suppose Mario Galaxy is it.
Right now, looks like Sony\'s claim that the Wii is just a gimmick might be true. Too many 3rd Party devs are reluctant to make games for the Wii. Reminds me of N64 when it first came out.
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Eh? Gimmick? It\'s already proven to be more than a gimmick.
Sales = King.
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I suppose Mario Galaxy is it.
Right now, looks like Sony\'s claim that the Wii is just a gimmick might be true. Too many 3rd Party devs are reluctant to make games for the Wii. Reminds me of N64 when it first came out.
Well in most cases it seems that way.
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I mean, personally, I\'ve found more enjoyable games for the Wii than for the PS3, and both came out at the same time, if that says anything.
I\'m enjoying Galaxy so far. Also excited to pick up Nights: Journey of Dreams in a couple weeks. I loved the Saturn version, and if this is anywhere near as good, it\'ll be a worthy purchase to me.
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Anybody that still thinks the Wii is a gimmick does not own one.
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Wii is still the absolute worst name for the console. I seriously think it would sell many more if it had a better name, and no I\'m not being sarcastic. Whenever I think of "Wii" I think of it as a toy and not a serious gaming system, and a $250 toy is spensive to me.
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The Wii is overrated....mario has been done to death already...yea i grew up on donkey kong and mario bros. but with this system all that is really out for it that i see is mario and wii sports and maybe zelda and metroid,...but there\'s nothing there that would warrant a purchase....
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You need a better argument other than "Mario has been done". It does not matter how many installments there is in a franchise, as long as the franchise continues to deliver triple A games.
Wii is still the absolute worst name for the console. I seriously think it would sell many more if it had a better name, and no I\'m not being sarcastic. Whenever I think of "Wii" I think of it as a toy and not a serious gaming system, and a $250 toy is spensive to me.
Well, I don\'t think it could sell "many more", due to the fact that stores STILL can\'t keep them instock.
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Anybody that still thinks the Wii is a gimmick does not own one.
It\'s a gimmick. I own it.
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If it is a gimmick, then so is Sixaxis, so is Blu-Ray, so is Xbox Live and the list goes on and on.
The Wii is not a gimmick and with games like Mario Galaxy, it has proven this.
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too many 3rd-parties are reluctant to make games for the Wii
It\'s getting way more, and way better 3rd-party support than N64 or GCN on their first anniversary.
And you said that it "might" be a gimmick. Don\'t go from "might" to "is" just for the sake of argument. :)
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the graphics sure will be a gimmick throughout the next year and beyond.
3rd party support is a joke, just like any nintendo system.
sure you have your rare A+ title here and there, but it\'s a wasteland otherwise.
artificial supply restraints + ebay capitalism = not being able to find a wii in stores.
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SMG moved 500k its first week in NA. 325k in Japan.
Fastest selling Mario game ever. Not surprising, given the time it came out relative to the platform it\'s on. And that platform\'s success rate.
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Of course it will sell well. How many good games are on the Wii and look how many Wii consoles were sold?
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the graphics sure will be a gimmick throughout the next year and beyond.
3rd party support is a joke, just like any nintendo system.
sure you have your rare A+ title here and there, but it\'s a wasteland otherwise.
artificial supply restraints + ebay capitalism = not being able to find a wii in stores.
We can find Wii\'s easilly in Europe. :)
Anyways judging from the type of gamers that buy Wii it is heavilly consisted of non-gamers. Wii Sport bundles sell like hotcakes because many people get excited with that one title. Children are also very excited and it is perfect for a present. This kind of people are attracted to only a very limited type of games. Other than that Wii seems pretty much untouched or if touched it is very very specific Nintendo games that sell on it.
Thats why third party games dont seem to sell much on it. People arent interested on the genres and style third party developers tend to develop on it.
Nintendo wanted to target the non-gamer demographics that previously no one targeted. They succeeded at doing so and they are making money. But third party developers? Not so much
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This 1 issue is what really bothers me the most. I know the wii will have some steller games but is it really worth the purchase of a console for say 1 maybe 2 games per year. 3rd party for wii hold\'s little interest for me, wii attractions is based soley on nintendo\'s 1st party games and the only 3rd party game I can think of that interests me is the Nights game from SEGA.
I wonder what is SEGA\'s stance on the wii do they plan to support wii with some AAA games?
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:jacked:
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It really is amazing the fascination people are havin with this wii thing, i was watching on the news, that these clowns that are waitin\' for discount stores(best buy, toys r us, walmart) to open on black friday, mind you these idiots are standing out in the cold and even camping out in sub-freezing temperatures, that when these stores finally opened, some opened as early as 5:AM, that most customers went straight to the electronics section and practically snatched up all of the wii consoles.
I just don\'t see it,...maybe the wii has a bunch of get together type party games for adults who don\'t know s**t about games and are just people getting into games for the first time, oh well i guess i\'m the minority cause when i think of wii i still think of kiddie console....the wand is a gimmick, and this thing is just slightly better graphically than the gamecube and hardly any 3rd party support, much respect to nintendo tho, people apparently are diggin\' it, it\'s just not for me.
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I saw Mario Galaxy last night. I couldn\'t stop laughing. It was so gay. Wish I had the chance to play it though. It did look like fun when you get past how homosexual it is.
It really is amazing the fascination people are havin with this wii thing, i was watching on the news, that these clowns that are waitin\' for discount stores(best buy, toys r us, walmart) to open on black friday, mind you these idiots are standing out in the cold and even camping out in sub-freezing temperatures, that when these stores finally opened, some opened as early as 5:AM, that most customers went straight to the electronics section and practically snatched up all of the wii consoles.
That\'s ridiculous. I can\'t believe people do that. How about wait a week for the next shipment or go online and order it? Its a hell of a lot easier and warmer.
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That\'s ridiculous. I can\'t believe people do that. How about wait a week for the next shipment or go online and order it? Its a hell of a lot easier and warmer.
black friday is about the deals..would kind of defeat the purpose to wait for the next shipment and get it for the same price that you could\'ve gotten it a day before black friday...
people definitly do get retarded though. black friday is their ceremonial gathering
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black friday is about the deals..would kind of defeat the purpose to wait for the next shipment and get it for the same price that you could\'ve gotten it a day before black friday...
people definitly do get retarded though. black friday is their ceremonial gathering
A lot of sales really aren\'t that impressing. Some are only like 20% off? Depends on the item I guess but nothing to me really merits me waking up at 3 in the morning after a full day of drinking and eating unless its something really impressive like 50% off a console or something. Seems pointless to me.
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It really is amazing the fascination people are havin with this wii thing, i was watching on the news, that these clowns that are waitin\' for discount stores(best buy, toys r us, walmart) to open on black friday, mind you these idiots are standing out in the cold and even camping out in sub-freezing temperatures, that when these stores finally opened, some opened as early as 5:AM, that most customers went straight to the electronics section and practically snatched up all of the wii consoles.
I just don\'t see it,...maybe the wii has a bunch of get together type party games for adults who don\'t know s**t about games and are just people getting into games for the first time, oh well i guess i\'m the minority cause when i think of wii i still think of kiddie console....the wand is a gimmick, and this thing is just slightly better graphically than the gamecube and hardly any 3rd party support, much respect to nintendo tho, people apparently are diggin\' it, it\'s just not for me.
Good games typically sell. Nintendo makes great games, so that alone can sell Wii\'s. Not to mention, what you may consider a "gimmick", has people wanting to play it. I know a ton of people at work who want a Wii, but have no interest in other gaming.
Should also be noted, a few years ago music games were considered a gimmick and now look at Rock Band.
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=176244
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I just don\'t see it,...maybe the wii has a bunch of get together type party games for adults who don\'t know s**t about games and are just people getting into games for the first time, oh well i guess i\'m the minority cause when i think of wii i still think of kiddie console....the wand is a gimmick, and this thing is just slightly better graphically than the gamecube and hardly any 3rd party support, much respect to nintendo tho, people apparently are diggin\' it, it\'s just not for me.
Thats exactly what happens actually. Wii is the perfect example that shows that mediocre games can sell by the millions and boost hardware sales if sold under the right content and idea.
The console lacks a lot in terms of quality compared to the 360 or probably even the PS3. The HW sales arent explained by the quality. It is the gaming context that Wii markets.
360 offers more quality than Wii, it just that these quality games do not appeal to the inexperienced gamers. Especially those that dont have time to play games. They may find more fun a simple mediocre game that lacks depth than a game that demands dedication.
And it is not only adults. Kids and the female demographics have more chances playing a crap game that uses the wand than sit with Gears of War or Uncharted. Even spongebob may be more appealing to them. A kid is going crazy for it. Parents are searching for the perfect gift. It is sold mainly as a toy for anyone to play and toys sell faster and more than dedicated devices.
Nintendo played their cards well in their effort to exploit a niche market. Nintendo had a certain amount of constant userbase since the N64. The majority of these were bound to continue on the next gen Nintendo consoles as well. But they were few. Nintendo was incompetent in the market Sony and MS existed. None of their efforts seemed to help no matter how many "mario" or "zelda" games they made. They were ignored by the masses of the particular market. Nobody cared and the appeal was scarce. They had no chance competing Sony\'s or MS\'s more powerful megahit titles. So how could Nintendo increase their market share?
Shift somewhere that the competition doesnt exist. Make games for the less demanding crowd. Games for non-gamers. Wii doesnt necessarilly have better games but it offers a different experiene. Imagine how many sales Nintendo can make when they are the only ones that target the specific market.
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I think what the wii demonstrates is that the casual market is far greater than the hardcore gamer market and that its not necessarily a bad thing. Hell, look at the little time waster flash games like bejeweled and whatnot, those people make a shit ton of money off of games like that. They\'re easy to pick up, people can play them for as little or as long as they\'d like, and the key, they\'re fun and this is exactly what the wii is tapping into. Add in the relatively cheap price and the brand name and you\'ve got a phenomenon. Gimmick or no, people seem to love the thing.
However, with that said, most people I\'ve talked to that are really into games get completely bored with it after a couple of months. Maybe if the third party development picks up people will think differently but right now, its a great little toy to have around for parties. (I still really want to play mario though damnit).
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I think what the wii demonstrates is that the casual market is far greater than the hardcore gamer market and that its not necessarily a bad thing. Hell, look at the little time waster flash games like bejeweled and whatnot, those people make a shit ton of money off of games like that. They\'re easy to pick up, people can play them for as little or as long as they\'d like, and the key, they\'re fun and this is exactly what the wii is tapping into. Add in the relatively cheap price and the brand name and you\'ve got a phenomenon. Gimmick or no, people seem to love the thing.
Exactly
However, with that said, most people I\'ve talked to that are really into games get completely bored with it after a couple of months. Maybe if the third party development picks up people will think differently but right now, its a great little toy to have around for parties. (I still really want to play mario though damnit).
Also true but I am not that sure if third party support will pick up anytime soon. Since the majority of Wii buyers are the kind of casuals you mentioned, they already see what kind of games sell and by how much and they will adjust to that most likely than develop games hoping that more serious gamers will join in.
There could be other things involved as well. I get the impression that for some reason developers prefer sticking to develop for more complex and more demanding games on 360 or PS3 than trying to put the same effort on Wii which is "simpler", or atleast develop high quality games on it that appeal to casuals.
There are probably some other kind of "benefits" related to technological advancements that the devs arent willing to sacrifice despite that in case they develop a cheaper but very good game aimed for casuals might seem financially a wiser decision
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I disagree with the fact you\'re calling them mediocre games though. Nintendo has put a few stellar games on its system and for the most part, thats what people are buying.
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Depends on which games you are refering to. Which ones are you?
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Don\'t be an idiot douche. It is obvious what games he is referring too, when he said "Nintendo has put a few stellar games". What do you think he is talking about? Third party? No! He is obviously talking about first and second party titles.
As for the whole debate on the system, want to know why it sells? Price tag and it offers something that people aren\'t use too. Nintendo really nailed this one when they priced it a lot cheaper than what the other companies are offering. This makes the Wii seem like a bargain to the casual shopper.
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Superman64?
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Don\'t be an idiot douche. It is obvious what games he is referring too, when he said "Nintendo has put a few stellar games". What do you think he is talking about? Third party? No! He is obviously talking about first and second party titles.
As for the whole debate on the system, want to know why it sells? Price tag and it offers something that people aren\'t use too. Nintendo really nailed this one when they priced it a lot cheaper than what the other companies are offering. This makes the Wii seem like a bargain to the casual shopper.
I have better things to do than waste my time with you. Oh and thanks for rephrasing what was already stated. :yawn:
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Why can\'t we all just get along...
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Those boobies look like they\'re ready for a milking :D
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Jesus, I can\'t even browse the console discussion threads safely at work these days. What is the world coming to.
And yes, LIC nailed it, almost every first and second party title that has come out on the wii that I\'ve played has been extremely fun.
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Jesus, I can\'t even browse the console discussion threads safely at work these days. What is the world coming to.
And yes, LIC nailed it, almost every first and second party title that has come out on the wii that I\'ve played has been extremely fun.
Yeah but you are not a casual (assuming that you own a Wii). Also extremely fun under what criteria and most importantly for how long. Tetris and Bejeweled can also be extremely fun. That doesnt mean that they are "stellar"
Many of these titles\' initial excitement wore off after you get used to the idea of the controls.
If you are refering to games such as Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime I couldnt agree more. But such good titles are few and far between and arent necessarilly the games that sell the Wii to the casuals or the target consumer if you like.
The Wii is characterized mostly by quick and fun to play on the spot games not by AAA titles and this is what sells. Actually Wii has the fewest number of high rated games in Metacritic of all the three consoles.
They are worth the value for what they offer but in general it is not the very few best and "stellar" titles that make casuals run for a Wii. Mario Galaxy for example although sold very well it didnt icrease HW sales as much as expected if at all. Thats because people are attracted to quick and fun play and experience in general bundled with a low price and Wii Sports.
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I stopped reading after you called tetris not stellar. You sir, are an idiot.
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I stopped reading after you called tetris not stellar. You sir, are an idiot.
You deliberately missed completely the point then
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I stopped reading after you called tetris not stellar. You sir, are an idiot.
You deliberately missed the point then.
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no, somewhere you mixed up complexity with good quality games.
The best games are often the simplest i.e. tetris or a more recent example katamari damacy.
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my opinion of the wii so far is this and yes i own one got it last year.
It is great fun, it really is, but i havent found many single player experiences that fun. Besides Zelda and Mario everything else is pretty group oriented games. which is great... when i have my friends over but when they arent just means i usually play something else on another system.
and honestly i have found few of really any the titles to be amazing altho you can definitely tell Nintendo knows how to make games with the controls better then most. i wish other companies would follow their lead with how they got Metroid working and etc.
really all i wanted wii for is zelda, mario and smash brothers so whatever lol
as far as casual gamers go - it doesnt surprise me that WII has taken off in the age of all these high priced competition - hell Wii has even been making profit off the console from launch or shortly after if i recall. I just hope we get something good from 3rd party devs but after reading lots of articles and browsing the DS library - i can see due to nintendos lack of quality control - there is a bunch of crap to weed thru before you find any
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You\'re a damn idiot if you don\'t think Tetris is "stellar". Somehow, somewhere, people have gotten the idea that if a game is not extremely complex right off the bat, it can\'t be one of the greatest games ever. When in fact, some of the supposed simpler games are the greatest.
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no, somewhere you mixed up complexity with good quality games.
The best games are often the simplest i.e. tetris or a more recent example katamari damacy.
No actually its you who are confused.
First of all you use the word "stellar" as if it is a synonim of quality.
Secondly you havent defined under what criteria you are basing the description of stellar
You also ASSUME too much. I implied NOTHING about complexity of games.
Farthermore you ignore the effect of time. Tetris was "stellar" in its time. But what was considered stellar before may not be considered stellar today. Today it is just like any other puzzle game found all over the internet unless it passes through major redesign. The only people that recognise its impact is people that experienced it at younger ages like us. And even people like us today may ignore pass it.
It also amazes me how you were annoyed by my tetris comment (which is totally irrelevant to the point of my post) but not for bejeweled which is also great.
Lastly you ignored that it is the combination of execution, depth and sometimes originality that makes a game of high quality regardless of compelxity, platform or genre.
[sarcasm]
Well perhaps if a company decides to port over all the simple and fun games found like bejewel and tetris in the internet over its console it would automatically solve the quality problem of its library[/sarcasm]
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Tetris is still stellar, just like Mario Bro\'s and Sonic is. Time does not mean a game becomes less stellar, unless the game was flawed to begin with. A fundementally great game, will remain a great game.
P.S- YOu\'re still an idiot.
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nice to see LIC play \'internet tough guy\' when he can\'t win a debate.
tetris was never "stellar". more like "mind numbing".
if you ever played it for more than an hour at a stretch, you needed something else to do.
you can\'t group a puzzle game with a platformer.
next you\'ll be calling sudoku stellar because it\'s so popular.
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nice to see LIC play \'internet tough guy\' when he can\'t win a debate.
tetris was never "stellar". more like "mind numbing".
if you ever played it for more than an hour at a stretch, you needed something else to do.
you can\'t group a puzzle game with a platformer.
next you\'ll be calling sudoku stellar because it\'s so popular.
And I\'ll call you an idiot also.
Tetris was and is stellar, it is stellar for the simple fact it has simple gameplay to attract people and at the same time, complex gameplay for those who want to master it.
You\'re the one who can\'t win a debate, simply because when you get backed into a corner, you pull some nonsense straight out of your ass, as usual.
Personally, I don\'t care. You\'re an idiot, Unicorn is an idiot and I think it\'s obvious to most people around here.
P.S - Take that back...Fuckin\' idiot, sounds better.
;)
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no wai your teh idiot!!!!!1
master "tetris"? :rofl:
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It\'s like talking to a wall, the only difference is, I think a wall would be more interesting.
I\'m done replying to your nonsense.
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I think gamespot gave Tetris a 2 out of 10 for being repetitive. :p
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No actually its you who are confused.
First of all you use the word "stellar" as if it is a synonim of quality.
Secondly you havent defined under what criteria you are basing the description of stellar
You also ASSUME too much. I implied NOTHING about complexity of games.
Farthermore you ignore the effect of time. Tetris was "stellar" in its time. But what was considered stellar before may not be considered stellar today. Today it is just like any other puzzle game found all over the internet unless it passes through major redesign. The only people that recognise its impact is people that experienced it at younger ages like us. And even people like us today may ignore pass it.
It also amazes me how you were annoyed by my tetris comment (which is totally irrelevant to the point of my post) but not for bejeweled which is also great.
Lastly you ignored that it is the combination of execution, depth and sometimes originality that makes a game of high quality regardless of compelxity, platform or genre.
[sarcasm]
Well perhaps if a company decides to port over all the simple and fun games found like bejewel and tetris in the internet over its console it would automatically solve the quality problem of its library[/sarcasm]
*sigh*
So you\'re saying that the wii lacks game with great execution, depth, and originality? The titles themselves may be done to death but nintendo always brings something new to the table and they are consisitantly high in production standards. And to dismiss a game\'s quality because of its apparent lack of what you call depth, like I said before, often the simplest premise makes the most engaging games.
And to go back to tetris, because I love that game so much, is one of the greatest games ever made, it has spawned so many games and sold countless of millions of games. Only the most jaded of gamers can not have fun playing that game (I\'m looking at mm\'s direction). Hell I\'ve seen it converted so that even disabled kids who\'ve never played video games can enjoy it. http://www.pitaru.com/tetris/ . The reason why I glossed over bejewled is because, A) Its not a phenomenon like Tetris was, and B)Its not nearly as original or addicting as Tetris.
You may be sarcastic about the virtual console and Live arcade and whatever the PS3 equivalent is but do you realize how much revenue those places bring in?
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come on LIC, don\'t quit now when you\'re down.
think of a valid point that you don\'t have to include an insult with and you\'ll have some credibility again.
phil, tetris is "fun" like doing crossword puzzles.
fun for a short time, but not "stellar".
tic-tac-toe is a simple game, and never really ends in a win unless somebody fucks up.
i\'ll certainly agree with the games that tetris spawned, like "tetrisphere" or "tetrisnet". take an otherwise boring game and add a 3d environment or multiplayer? now we\'re talking.
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I truely believe Tetris is one of the best concepts ever. It\'s so simple, yet clever and addictive.
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come on LIC, don\'t quit now when you\'re down.
think of a valid point that you don\'t have to include an insult with and you\'ll have some credibility again.
phil, tetris is "fun" like doing crossword puzzles.
fun for a short time, but not "stellar".
tic-tac-toe is a simple game, and never really ends in a win unless somebody fucks up.
i\'ll certainly agree with the games that tetris spawned, like "tetrisphere" or "tetrisnet". take an otherwise boring game and add a 3d environment or multiplayer? now we\'re talking.
Agreed that tetrisphere is an awesome game.
Still believe that the original is more than boring and the fact people still play the game is a testament to its power.
And please, we\'re comparing video games here. Although I don\'t think anyone would disagree that crosswords and tic-tac-toe are pretty much the pinnacle of pen and paper puzzle games.
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Okay. Back to the subject. Wii is a gimmick. :)
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A fun gimmick that has more than just mediocre games.
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A fun gimmick that has more than just mediocre games.
Wii Sports and Mario Galaxy. The rest are average at best.
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Farthermore you ignore the effect of time. Tetris was "stellar" in its time. But what was considered stellar before may not be considered stellar today. Today it is just like any other puzzle game found all over the internet unless it passes through major redesign. The only people that recognise its impact is people that experienced it at younger ages like us. And even people like us today may ignore pass it.
Kind of how space invaders and the original pac-man was back in the day. I see his point, these games,..*tetris included* were simple yet fun,..hell you could find tetris on practically every cell phone and when adults are waitin around in the airport for their flights, that\'s what you see them playin\'....but were they stellar?....hard to say...by today standards, no,...but back then? probably since the tech was generally the same back then and nobody really had games with deep depth or games really tryin to push the envelope....but the games mentioned stood out from the other arcade games as the most popular.
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I\'m gonna have to agree with unicron on this one. The point is, when it comes down to it, tetris is not a game that is gonna justify calling wii a succes/console with great 3rd party support, stellar as it might (or might not) be.
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Meh, I never meant to imply that tetris was going to make or break the console (I completely forgot it was on the virtual console to be honest).
Nintendo is never going to have third party support, they\'ll have a short list of great games and that will satisfy the majority of people who own the console (which is a lot of people right about now). They\'ll never appeal to the hardcore gamer market either, but that isn\'t to say what they make is mediocre. Just because it appeals to the casual gamer, and lacks the 80 hour epic masterpiece, doesn\'t mean its unsuccessful or somehow lacking. Its just good design.
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Wii Sports and Mario Galaxy. The rest are average at best.
Metroid.
Zelda.
SSMB.
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I truely believe Tetris is one of the best concepts ever. It\'s so simple, yet clever and addictive.
Kinda like crack :shy:
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My review is in. I only have 110 stars, but I feel I\'m qualified...
Game of the Year. Over BioShock. Over The Orange Box, even.
Got a Wii? Buy this fucker.
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Metroid.
Zelda.
SSMB.
Didn\'t like Zelda or Metroid. Never got into SSMB.
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*sigh*
So you\'re saying that the wii lacks game with great execution, depth, and originality? The titles themselves may be done to death but nintendo always brings something new to the table and they are consisitantly high in production standards. And to dismiss a game\'s quality because of its apparent lack of what you call depth, like I said before, often the simplest premise makes the most engaging games.
And to go back to tetris, because I love that game so much, is one of the greatest games ever made, it has spawned so many games and sold countless of millions of games. Only the most jaded of gamers can not have fun playing that game (I\'m looking at mm\'s direction). Hell I\'ve seen it converted so that even disabled kids who\'ve never played video games can enjoy it. http://www.pitaru.com/tetris/ . The reason why I glossed over bejewled is because, A) Its not a phenomenon like Tetris was, and B)Its not nearly as original or addicting as Tetris.
You may be sarcastic about the virtual console and Live arcade and whatever the PS3 equivalent is but do you realize how much revenue those places bring in?
I didnt say that Nintendo didnt bring any great games at all. What I said is that these games are very few and far in between on Wii and that these arent the titltes that make casuals run for a Wii.
About depth, again depth is irrelevant to simplicity and I did not imnply that depth comes from complex premises. The simplest premise can have more depth than the most complex games too.
Tetris did a difference because it was a first in its time and this matters only for the past. Tetris may be a great "puzzle" game if you want to have a quick play, it may still be played by many people and be considered fun but this is irrelevant. You will see extremely few people willing to pay for a simple Tetris game on a console at full price or anything at all but there are very very many people who play Tetris and similar type of games for hours as well. Bejeweled is just as fun. It is not a phenomenon because it came late. And even if Tetris is more addictive, Bejeweled is still enough addictive to come close to the "stellar" category you are descriping.
The point of my sarcasm is that these games alone (fun games if you want) dont necessarilly make a console\'s library more stellar or of better quality. They are complimenting the main library. It is a welcome addition nevertheless and one I am willing to pay for as well, but if the main library starts spawning similar type of games, altough simple and fun, they dont necessarilly improve the quality of the library and this is what I see on Wii. I might get a Wii play a Wii specific game for a some hours like Wii Sports which I ll enjoy A LOT at first (tried it once|), but if it starts getting repetitive, and lacks variety then it wont be any better than playing an internet game alone. Casuals may enjoy it as much as they do enjoy bejeweled and even more if they play against someone else though.
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What\'s wrong with casuals? PSX sold like hot cakes because of the casuals. Unless all 1 billion of the people who bought it were hardcore gamers.
Didn\'t like Zelda or Metroid. Never got into SSMB.
Smash Bros Melee for GameCube is a really fun game. Any four people can pick it up and be at the same level, and its as deep as any fighting game if you learn all "glitches" and haxx.