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Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on January 22, 2008, 07:17:38 AM
This is the gear i\'m getting and their prices.

2x  Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB (2x XMS2 1GB) Twin2X PC-6400 DDR2 RAM, 2x240-pin DIMMs, Non ECC Unbuffered, 5-5-5-12
$103.40

Gigabyte GA-M56S-S3 M/b - nForce 560, Dual DDR2 800, PCI-E 16x, SATA II RAID, USB2.0, 1394, 8-Ch, ATX
115.50

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Dual Core CPU, 3.0Ghz, 2 x 1MB L2 Cache, Boxed
$220.00

XpertVision 8800GT PCI-E 2.0 512MB 256-bit GDDR3, 600/1800MHz, DirectX 10, Max. Res. 2560 x 1600, HDTV, 2x Dual-Link DVI, HDTV, Fan
$356.40


Will do the job for now and is fairly cheap to boot.  I already have a fairly good psu, a hiper moduler 580W unit. (http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/cases/other/psu/hip4B580/)  Measured it under load and its pretty stable. So power shouldn\'t be a problem.  woot
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Samwise on January 22, 2008, 07:23:35 AM
Um, why an old AMD processor? Get in the game, the Exxxx series is where it\'s at. :)

The GFX card is nice though.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Nolaws on January 22, 2008, 04:08:45 PM
I wouldn\'t go with that processor on a new desktop if it was for myself :D
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: THX on January 22, 2008, 04:36:00 PM
i wanna upgrade toooo

tell us how it runs
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on January 22, 2008, 10:16:12 PM
its cheap.. Thats why i went with it.  GPU\'s don\'t rely on high end processors. Thats the whole point of them. So the difference would probably be little if none.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Samwise on January 22, 2008, 11:30:30 PM
The E6750 is only a few dollars more here in Denmark. Oh well.

And GPU\'s can still be bottlenecked by the CPU. That\'s not to say you can\'t get perfectly acceptable framerates with lower end machines, but they won\'t achieve the performance of a higher end CPU.

THX, get the new Intel E8400 [new 45nm part], it\'s about $200 I think, and it can be overclocked to 4 GHz easily! W000h0000000. :)
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: JBean on January 23, 2008, 09:45:48 AM
nothing wrong with AMD (I always pull for them), but I couldn\'t bring myself to bypass the E8400 or a Q6600 from Intel.

The machine this is replacing... isn\'t it like an AthlonXP or some old POS like that?  It will be a hell of an upgrade regardless.  I\'m looking to upgrade my rig sometime in \'08.. started a business late last year, so I need my first big tax writeoff ;)

Nice machine though :)
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on January 23, 2008, 10:24:21 PM
lol yea, was a Athlon XP 2800+ 6800GT 2 GIG machine.


updated it last night.


its now the posted specs ;)  Running Crysis at high with very playable framerates.


Something i didn\'t know though. XP doesn\'t run with 4 Gig, Something to do with the mapping of the hardware IRQs being basically where the 4 gig mem locations end. My rig displays 4 gig as 3.5gig. 64bit windows fixes this.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: JBean on January 24, 2008, 07:30:04 PM
yeah, I didn\'t say anything cause I thought you were going Vista.  I\'d like to bump my 939 system to 3 gigs, but older DDR memory is hella spensive!
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Samwise on January 24, 2008, 11:04:58 PM
I\'m thinking about getting another 2 gigs even though I also run XP, simply because it\'s so cheap. So even if you\'re \'only\' seeing about 1 gb extra, it\'s nice to have in case you\'ll ever "upgrade" to Vista.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Nolaws on January 25, 2008, 03:42:44 AM
It\'s not vista or XP.. it\'s a 32bit limitation. Search on google !
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Samwise on January 25, 2008, 03:55:27 AM
Quote from: Nolaws
It\'s not vista or XP.. it\'s a 32bit limitation. Search on google !
Yes thanks, I know what it is. You can\'t fully utilize 4 gigs of RAM unless you\'re using XP x64 or Vista 64 bit. I\'m just not fully sold on 64 bit yet. And I\'m certainly not sold on Vista in general.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: JBean on January 25, 2008, 01:09:21 PM
Quote from: Nolaws
It\'s not vista or XP.. it\'s a 32bit limitation. Search on google !


I know, I know... If I were upgrading to vista it would be 64 bit version... 8 gigs baby!
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on January 28, 2008, 10:18:09 PM
did a benchmark with 3dmark06 got this.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on January 29, 2008, 04:34:03 AM
Decent build.

My motherboard just shorted out, so I\'m living off the laptop. Gonna order a new one soon.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Samwise on January 29, 2008, 04:42:00 AM
I\'m in the market for a new CPU... I want a quad this time. But my dilemma is to get the Q6600 G0 (used) for value or spend like twice that (or more) to get the new Q9459... I think the cheapskate in me will win and I\'ll grab a Q6600 to overclock when all the others start to upgrade. :)

And I have 2 gigs more in the mail... should be nice, even though I\'ll stick to XP 32-bit for now.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on February 01, 2008, 08:06:05 PM
Got my new motherboard in.
Up and runnin again.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Samwise on February 01, 2008, 11:43:08 PM
Got my 2 gigs, so running 3,5 gigs in XP. That\'s fine with me. :)

Also I pulled the trigger and bought a 8800GT... I don\'t really need it, but it was so cheap and I\'ve never had a really nice gfx card before.

I\'ve also bought a Thermalright Ultima 90I, a Scythe S-Flex and some other crap in anticipation of a Q6600, which is the only part I lack now.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: Sublimesjg on February 02, 2008, 11:11:50 PM
yea i just built a new rig recently

went to 22" Acer LCD

Q6750 running at 3.4Ghz instead of 2.3
PNY 8800gt 512MB overclocked about 25% on memory and gpu clock - shaders capped out earlier then that :/
6GB of ram
1.2TB of hd space across few hdds

overall its given me great performance in most stuff minus like crysis at max resolution and settings but meh to crysis anyways

last Benchmark test with 3dmark got me 12996 if i remember right
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: NVIDIA256 on February 03, 2008, 02:20:32 PM
avoid 22inch LCD they are all TN panels.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: JBean on February 03, 2008, 07:49:46 PM
I have a Samsung 226BW(S) 22" panel... fantastic for gaming.. which is why I bought it.  Nothing wrong with a TN panel for gaming.  

I still have my 19" CRT connected as a secondary if I have to do any color critical work.
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: NVIDIA256 on February 04, 2008, 04:10:41 PM
there is plenty wrong, they are all washed out. TN\'s are the cheapest LCD panels made. They cannot repoduce color fidelity and gray scale like an IPS panel can. Also they suffer from poor viewing angels. Once you have had something better there is no going back to TN.

You mention gaming, and this is true TN panels have the fastest response times, but this is of course at the cost of picture quality, besides IPS,PVA and MVA are all capable of fast enough response times.

It seems like in the smaller sizes  22" and under TN rules cause, price is king so these displays are directed towards the mainstream, who care little about  quality while more concerned about price. I think all of this happened because they basically hit the ceiling on what they can do with LCD panels themselves, so instead of innovation we see the separation of panels into cheap, mid-range and high range, with prices set accordingly. Not much has happened in the consumer LCD market, other than improvements in the electronic driving engines for the displays. Companies move towards the market demands, and the market demands Large LCD screens at a cheap price, so Voila TN\'s spread like a disease. I even hear now some of the 24inch manufactures are quietly replacing there MVA/PVA panels with TN ones unbenounced to the consumer. Mainstream consumers are just not willing to pay the price tag for a quality LCD.

TN- Cheapest
PVA-MVA-mid to semi high
IPS-Most expensive(top class)

Of course there are specialty products(Professional Color Critical) that use Backlit LED but those cost in the thousands for just a small 20\'
Title: Souly is finally updating his pc.
Post by: JBean on February 05, 2008, 08:51:17 PM
I see where you are coming from on this.. I debated for a long time on TN vs. IPS/PVA.. I just couldn\'t justify the extra cost only to make myself feel better about buying a monitor that I would play games on 90% of the time.  From all I read, TN panels were fantastic for gaming and that was good enough for me.  Ignorance is bliss in my case.. I don\'t know what I\'m missing I guess... and I\'m fine with that.

no, nothing wrong with a TN panel for playing video games.