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Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 22, 2008, 09:01:51 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famitsu

 
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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998, Nintendo, for Nintendo 64)
   2. Soulcalibur (1999, Namco, for Dreamcast)
   3. Vagrant Story (2000, Square Co., Ltd., for PlayStation)
   4. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (2003, Nintendo for Nintendo GameCube)
   5. Nintendogs (2005, Nintendo, for Nintendo DS)
   6. Final Fantasy XII (2006, Square Enix, for PlayStation 2)
   7. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (2008, Nintendo, for Wii)


F\'ing March 28th now can\'t come sooner (yeah delay delay delay delay).

But good news. There\'s so many characters in this game I\'m hoping it can be more balanced than the first two games. Pikachu, kirby, and ness overpowered the first one. Fox, faclo, marth and sheik were overpowered in the 2nd. 29 characters...bound to be like 10 overpowered characters.

gah
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: THX on January 22, 2008, 09:29:14 PM
oh come on.  super smash bros is a perfect game??

Well what can I say, I\'m not Japanese.  I only like one of those games on that list.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 22, 2008, 09:37:26 PM
I don\'t agree with Wind Waker or FFXII. Never actually played 12, but i assume its something like the 11 before it.

But I\'d argue for ten pages that Super Smash Bros Melee deserves a perfect score just as much as any game on that list. If Brawl is the same jump that Melee was from the original Id give it a perfect score too.

So yes it is a perfect game you wanna fight about it bring it
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Paul2 on January 22, 2008, 09:44:04 PM
eh.  Final Fantasy VII should make the perfect list if Final Fantasy VIII is in it.  The story and gameplay in FF8 is good, but I wouldn\'t it called it perfect.  I don\'t like how the combat system works in FF8.  I still feels like Final Fantasy VII have a much more perfect battle system than 8.  Even FFX battle system is more polish than 8 and more fun too.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 23, 2008, 12:13:37 AM
FF8 didn\'t make it...it was FF12.

I think I might rent 12. Haven\'t played one since 9.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Viper_Fujax on January 23, 2008, 12:23:17 AM
not worth making another thread, but DMC 4 got 9/9/9/8 (no idea what means what but 9\'s are always good) from them

I\'ve never played ninja gaiden or DMC..im going to get one of the two for 360 but im not sure which. leaning towards gaiden..seems more repetitive in terms of moves but i just dont like the jerky/awkward DMC animations

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=231213
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Paul2 on January 23, 2008, 12:37:19 AM
Quote from: Jumpman
FF8 didn\'t make it...it was FF12.

I think I might rent 12. Haven\'t played one since 9.

oh, i misread it....
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on January 23, 2008, 09:01:23 AM
Well, considering that the previous SSB was a excellent game, I\'m really not surprised. Nintendo takes an eternity for these sequels, but they always live up to the hype.  Guess it\'s about time I track down a Wii.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: GmanJoe on January 23, 2008, 09:23:03 AM
*looks at empty space where the Wii once was*

I feel a slight pain in my heart.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Blade on January 23, 2008, 01:15:32 PM
I always regret selling consoles.

Right when I sold the PSP, it began getting a flurry of great games. Always happens.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on January 23, 2008, 02:59:08 PM
That is why I NEVER , EVER sell a console or game. There is always the off chance I may want to dig it out eventually. Well, there is an exception. I did sell a bunch of my PS2 titles, games that I played once or twice and could no longer stand. Sold them and picked up some 360 games.  Other than that, I keep everything in storage, just in case.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Unicron! on January 23, 2008, 03:11:35 PM
I always keep my games as well. But if there is one game I hated with a passion and gave it away for no cash, was DMC2

God that was probably the worst game I ve ever bought!!
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: clips on January 23, 2008, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
But if there is one game I hated with a passion and gave it away for no cash, was DMC2

God that was probably the worst game I ve ever bought!!



I agree...that was the one game that just sapped all of the dmc excitement out of me...even tho i heard the third one was great, i still passed on it,...i may purchase dmc 4 tho...
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 24, 2008, 12:52:57 AM
Don\'t bring up shitty games in my thread.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: clips on January 24, 2008, 02:04:51 AM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
Well, considering that the previous SSB was a excellent game, I\'m really not surprised. Nintendo takes an eternity for these sequels, but they always live up to the hype.  Guess it\'s about time I track down a Wii.



My son luved that game on the gamecube....i remember goin\' to a few gamestops back in tha day tryin to find one when it first came out....and isn\'t this new one the one that has snake in it? cause if it is,...i completely forgot about this game...i actually thought this game came out already....yea  nintendo is really draggin\' their feet with this game...
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Unicron! on January 24, 2008, 06:26:26 AM
Quote from: Jumpman
Don\'t bring up shitty games in my thread.

Btw I remember a crap PS1 game that was called Trash It
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Ashford on January 24, 2008, 10:32:25 AM
My Sega Saturn just broke...

:(

WHY??? WHY NOT THE PS2 OR XBOX???
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Blade on January 24, 2008, 12:58:04 PM
Clips: Nintendo is dragging their feet? It began development not too long ago, maybe late 2005, or 2006...

True fans of the series have been waiting almost 7 years.

I think they\'d prefer to wait a few extra months so that this title can last them another 7.

Polish is what takes a game from "good" or "very good" to "great."
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Samwise on January 24, 2008, 01:00:06 PM
So is this a fighting game ... with Nintendo characters? I can see why it would get 40... -_-
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 24, 2008, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: Samwise
So is this a fighting game ... with Nintendo characters? I can see why it would get 40... -_-

It makes more sense than a Tekken game...which has completely random Asian ninja characters. Why wouldn\'t you want to fight with characters you\'ve had a deep emotional connection with? I can fight with Link, Sonic, I can be the muther fucking Sheik. I love Sheik. I love the name and I love his actual ninja persona.

And the Ice Climbers. My favorite little team from melee. Look how cute they are.

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smashwiki.com%2Fw%2Fimages%2F7%2F7b%2FIceclimbersbrawl.jpg&hash=a691c3de6e8e8ebb9fddb8b43e6101b8bab3d491)
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: GmanJoe on January 25, 2008, 06:24:04 AM
Looking for a Wii this month.

And Fuck you, Raz!

"Never sell a console" /baby talk

Ima kick you!
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: JBean on January 25, 2008, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: Ashford
My Sega Saturn just broke...

:(

WHY??? WHY NOT THE PS2 OR XBOX???



you can still get saturns cheap on ebay
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: clips on January 25, 2008, 08:08:02 PM
Quote from: Blade
Clips: Nintendo is dragging their feet? It began development not too long ago, maybe late 2005, or 2006...

True fans of the series have been waiting almost 7 years.

I think they\'d prefer to wait a few extra months so that this title can last them another 7.

Polish is what takes a game from "good" or "very good" to "great."



That\'s still kinda too long,...the engine is already in place, and it doesn\'t take a brain surgeon to program for the wii...even tho i\'m not into these types of games, i know nintendo first party stuff is always high quality,..but 3 yrs for a game that already has the engine in place is still kinda long imo...i\'m not complaining or anything...."just sayin"....
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 25, 2008, 08:26:19 PM
The online is why its getting delayed. Nintendo realizes that Smash Melee was the 2nd most popular tournament game next to Halo 2...and it didn\'t have online and was released 7 years ago so to have completely mediocre online play like it was suppose to have is worth it.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Unicron! on January 25, 2008, 09:00:46 PM
VF5 or Tekken or Street Fighter Alpha > SBB
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 25, 2008, 10:11:51 PM
SSB Melee>all of the above/every other fighting game except Street Fighter (3 for all purposes).

I\'d rank Soul Calibur directly behind Melee but I wouldn\'t argue with someone who said it was better or the best fighting game ever. 3 very different games.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: THX on January 26, 2008, 08:25:50 AM
SSB and Soul Cal are the casual fighting gamer\'s favorites.

That said I\'d like to see an online SSB game in action, sounds like fun.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Unicron! on January 26, 2008, 11:21:56 AM
Quote from: Jumpman
SSB Melee>all of the above/every other fighting game except


Nah
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Blade on January 26, 2008, 03:30:51 PM
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That\'s still kinda too long,...the engine is already in place, and it doesn\'t take a brain surgeon to program for the wii...even tho i\'m not into these types of games, i know nintendo first party stuff is always high quality,..but 3 yrs for a game that already has the engine in place is still kinda long imo...i\'m not complaining or anything...."just sayin"....

A. "Just sayin" can be fine when the person knows what they\'re talking about. You don\'t, so you\'re basically "just sayin" that you\'re ignorant. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I\'ve learned through hard knocks over the past decade that if you\'re going to talk shit (especially on the internet) then at least know your shit. You don\'t know your shit.

B. The engine wasn\'t already in place. The SSBB engine was built for the ground up to take advantage of the Wii\'s capabilities, and it has completely new everything for every character that was in SSBM. It also has a lot of new features, including an extremely fleshed out single player campaign... and online play. Online play that needed lots of tender lovin\' care to make sure that it was optimized and balanced.

C. It doesn\'t take a brain surgeon to program for any console, but you said it yourself... Nintendo makes high-quality games. They\'re making SSBB a treat for the long haul, with hundreds of hours of content. A high-detail (for the Wii) game with entirely orchestrated soundtrack, unflinching 60fps framerate, and more easter eggs than a selfish bunny...

The 27-28 month development time to get it perfect doesn\'t bother me at all.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 26, 2008, 05:44:49 PM
Quote from: THX
SSB and Soul Cal are the casual fighting gamer\'s favorites.

That said I\'d like to see an online SSB game in action, sounds like fun.

Being the casual gamers favorites makes it better in my eyes.

That being said, the highest level of play in Melee embarrasses the amount of control and precision against games like Tekken or Virtua Fighter. Just watch, its not on lightning melee, its just uber skill that only 10 or so players in the world can play at.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=843AovFJg-I&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vtAVvtbrwtE&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Y5iXByT-nI&feature=related
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Unicron! on January 26, 2008, 07:17:06 PM
Quote from: Jumpman
Being the casual gamers favorites makes it better in my eyes.

That being said, the highest level of play in Melee embarrasses the amount of control and precision against games like Tekken or Virtua Fighter. Just watch, its not on lightning melee, its just uber skill that only 10 or so players in the world can play at.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=843AovFJg-I&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vtAVvtbrwtE&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Y5iXByT-nI&feature=related
All games have their freaks that can do "unbelievable" things. That includes Tekken and VF.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xF2mZ99ruFc
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 26, 2008, 07:39:55 PM
That\'s really quite believable. There\'s less precision in that game and its easy to see. There\'s some nice inputs in between combos but the freaks in this game use like 5+ inputs on a controller in one second per normal.

You\'ve done nothing but troll in this thread without backing anything up. Main Forum is that way, please direct yourself to it.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Unicron! on January 27, 2008, 05:08:59 AM
Quote from: Jumpman
That\'s really quite believable. There\'s less precision in that game and its easy to see. There\'s some nice inputs in between combos but the freaks in this game use like 5+ inputs on a controller in one second per normal.
You have to play the game to know how hard some things are even if they look simplistic. There were a few just frames as well in there as well as very accurate timing.

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You\'ve done nothing but troll in this thread without backing anything up. Main Forum is that way, please direct yourself to it.


Oh the irony :laughing:
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 27, 2008, 06:28:38 AM
I\'ve played pretty much fighting game and done so at a decent skill level because I always understand the amount of precision required to play at a top level.  I\'m sure I could beat anyone here in Street Fighter 2, Soul Calibur 1+2, Marvel vs Capcom 2, games I haven\'t played in years but understand all the mechanics enough to dominate most opponents. Not a Tekken fan, but its pretty easy to count the inputs in those combos/movements and nothing close to Melee.

I\'ve been practicing getting hardcore good at Melee for about 3 months now. No way I could compete at the top level or close to it without another year or so of practice with a decent partner, probably never because when you get hit you need to swing the control stick and the C stick in funny ways in 1-2 freakin frames or else you die.

Yeah its very ironic. Move along.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: clips on January 27, 2008, 06:37:21 AM
Quote from: Blade
A. "Just sayin" can be fine when the person knows what they\'re talking about. You don\'t, so you\'re basically "just sayin" that you\'re ignorant. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I\'ve learned through hard knocks over the past decade that if you\'re going to talk shit (especially on the internet) then at least know your shit. You don\'t know your shit.

B. The engine wasn\'t already in place. The SSBB engine was built for the ground up to take advantage of the Wii\'s capabilities, and it has completely new everything for every character that was in SSBM. It also has a lot of new features, including an extremely fleshed out single player campaign... and online play. Online play that needed lots of tender lovin\' care to make sure that it was optimized and balanced.

C. It doesn\'t take a brain surgeon to program for any console, but you said it yourself... Nintendo makes high-quality games. They\'re making SSBB a treat for the long haul, with hundreds of hours of content. A high-detail (for the Wii) game with entirely orchestrated soundtrack, unflinching 60fps framerate, and more easter eggs than a selfish bunny...

The 27-28 month development time to get it perfect doesn\'t bother me at all.



*edited*
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on January 27, 2008, 07:16:42 AM
Damn, what happened here, when did Clips get bitchy and call people retards?

All Blade did was corrected you. You made a post full of errors and tried to base an opinion on it. He made of been alittle rude about it, but not much.

And anyone who thinks SSBM is easy, has no clue. The game is deep.  And for the record, Tekken is for people who can\'t handle their own in a real fighting game like the VF series.  And this is coming from someone who enjoys the Tekken series.

:)

P.S - Marvel VS Capcom is one of the greatest..Ever.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: clips on January 27, 2008, 07:47:35 AM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
Damn, what happened here, when did Clips get bitchy and call people retards?

All Blade did was corrected you. You made a post full of errors and tried to base an opinion on it. He made of been alittle rude about it, but not much.


Meh...he was bein a bit of a dick about it...jumpy came in and told me why in a nutshell why it was takin\' so long without all the drama...i don\'t mind bein\' corrected but he acted like i was talkin\' about his wife or some s**t...
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Samwise on January 27, 2008, 07:58:09 AM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
All Blade did was corrected you. You made a post full of errors and tried to base an opinion on it. He made of been alittle rude about it, but not much.
"Might have been a little". RETARD!







Just kidding of course. You know I love you. :D
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: clips on January 27, 2008, 08:13:46 AM
Hmmm...lookin\' back..i guess blade was usin\' some sarcasm...maybe i was comin\' off a bit harsh...and maybe he wasn\'t  bein\' that much of a dick,...maybe a small dick,..and we all know my dick is bigger than his,..but we\'re not comparing dicks are we?....ahhh f**k it!..i\'m just not a morning person...
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on January 27, 2008, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: Samwise
"Might have been a little". RETARD!







Just kidding of course. You know I love you. :D


I be teh st0opid.

:(
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Paul2 on January 27, 2008, 09:25:57 AM
^^^lol.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Unicron! on January 27, 2008, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: Jumpman
I\'ve played pretty much fighting game and done so at a decent skill level because I always understand the amount of precision required to play at a top level.  I\'m sure I could beat anyone here in Street Fighter 2, Soul Calibur 1+2, Marvel vs Capcom 2, games I haven\'t played in years but understand all the mechanics enough to dominate most opponents. Not a Tekken fan, but its pretty easy to count the inputs in those combos/movements and nothing close to Melee.

I\'ve been practicing getting hardcore good at Melee for about 3 months now. No way I could compete at the top level or close to it without another year or so of practice with a decent partner, probably never because when you get hit you need to swing the control stick and the C stick in funny ways in 1-2 freakin frames or else you die.

Yeah its very ironic. Move along.

says the troll
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on January 27, 2008, 11:16:07 AM
Quote from: Unicron!
says the troll


This coming from you, means nothing.  

Not to mention his post had no trolling in it what so ever, so who is trolling? The person who put out a semi-intelligent post or the person who can only come up with a totally retarded comment such as, "says the troll".

Hmmmmmmmmmm..


Oh well, I predict Jumpy to come up with some totally off the wall and great insult for Uni now.
:gfight:
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Sublimesjg on January 27, 2008, 11:23:45 AM
every game has its level of hardcore...

SSBM is just the same but why does it always gotta be NO ITEM NO ANYTHING FINAL DESTINATION!!!

its basically gotta be stripped and dumbed down or its broken as hell... so yea on hardcore lvl it fails imo

gives me SF3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fx3EvFEOkig  make sure to watch it till the last match - amazing fight - prolly most popular sf3 vid of all time

or Guilty Gear XX: Slash and ill show you stuff
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JSsJTx7brXM&feature=related

SSBM has the same amount of crazy frame timings as games like guilty gear and VF imo so i wouldn\'t see why a grabfest match is very impressive

but yea watch some EVO matchs of all the above games and you will see there is plenty of skill and top tier gaming on all of them - pick the style of gameplay you like and be happy no one will ever agree to "this fighting game > all" :p
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Blade on January 27, 2008, 01:34:22 PM
Aye, Clips, I\'m sorry if I offended you. It\'s nothing against you.

I just see so many opinions formed that don\'t have a lot of facts to back them up, and occasionally I like to call people on it.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: THX on January 27, 2008, 01:43:05 PM
You have a point Sublime.  It\'s just that games like SF, VF, and Tekken have a huge legacy of tournament play with players doing crazy things such as cataloging the number of frames per each move so they now what move can counter what at high level play.  I\'m not sure if SSB is that "deep" yet.

Here are some favorite Tekken vids of mine:

Qudans (Korea) vs Mainstreet Ryu (Japan) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RrVasfRLVBQ)
Knee (Korea) vs Mishimaster (Japan) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FiVe87Gz-hM)
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Unicron! on January 27, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: Sublimesjg
every game has its level of hardcore...

SSBM is just the same but why does it always gotta be NO ITEM NO ANYTHING FINAL DESTINATION!!!

its basically gotta be stripped and dumbed down or its broken as hell... so yea on hardcore lvl it fails imo

gives me SF3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fx3EvFEOkig  make sure to watch it till the last match - amazing fight - prolly most popular sf3 vid of all time

or Guilty Gear XX: Slash and ill show you stuff
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JSsJTx7brXM&feature=related

SSBM has the same amount of crazy frame timings as games like guilty gear and VF imo so i wouldn\'t see why a grabfest match is very impressive

but yea watch some EVO matchs of all the above games and you will see there is plenty of skill and top tier gaming on all of them - pick the style of gameplay you like and be happy no one will ever agree to "this fighting game > all" :p
Quote from: THX
You have a point Sublime.  It\'s just that games like SF, VF, and Tekken have a huge legacy of tournament play with players doing crazy things such as cataloging the number of frames per each move so they now what move can counter what at high level play.  I\'m not sure if SSB is that "deep" yet.

Here are some favorite Tekken vids of mine:

Qudans (Korea) vs Mainstreet Ryu (Japan) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RrVasfRLVBQ)
Knee (Korea) vs Mishimaster (Japan) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FiVe87Gz-hM)


At last some people who know what they are talking about.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on January 27, 2008, 07:46:35 PM
No offense THX, but I fell asleep during those Tekken videos. They are simply boring.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: THX on January 27, 2008, 07:56:23 PM
None taken ;)  You have to play Tekken to appreciate how hard a wave/lightdash, EWGF, just frame move, or taunt break combo is... among other things.  There are flashier videos that would show off some crazy throws and combos but these show off pure skill imo.
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Jumpman on January 27, 2008, 09:29:01 PM
I don\'t think Sublime or THX would take kindly to your band wagoning. You\'re whole argument is basically "I know you are but what am I" so yeah continue to post retarded one liners making yourself look worse every time for our amusement.

DANCE MONKEY
Quote from: Sublimesjg
every game has its level of hardcore...

SSBM is just the same but why does it always gotta be NO ITEM NO ANYTHING FINAL DESTINATION!!!

its basically gotta be stripped and dumbed down or its broken as hell... so yea on hardcore lvl it fails imo

Items ruin the skill factor...that\'s why they are taken out. Can\'t have some legendary pokemon fall into someone\'s lap and 1 shot someone at 50%. And Final D isn\'t the only stage, its mainly just used in friendly battles and thats why fights with it on youtube are popular. In normal tournies you counter pick certain levels. One thing that Melee has that a lot of fighters don\'t is diversity in levels used in high level play. Different levels, different strategies, etc. As you can see in the 3rd fight the marth player knew when the level would morph and used it to get a sick last kill.

THX
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You have a point Sublime. It\'s just that games like SF, VF, and Tekken have a huge legacy of tournament play with players doing crazy things such as cataloging the number of frames per each move so they now what move can counter what at high level play. I\'m not sure if SSB is that "deep" yet.

You have to play Tekken to appreciate how hard a wave/lightdash, EWGF, just frame move, or taunt break combo is... among other things. There are flashier videos that would show off some crazy throws and combos but these show off pure skill imo.

I will continue to stand by my statement that Melee at high level play is the deepest out there. Just looking at MLG tournament results (once the biggest tournament for the game, and again Smash was 2nd behind Halo 2 in tournament play for a long time), there\'s always 7 people who continually rape the field. That Isai guy is also regarded as the best original Smash player ever and is more of a doubles player in Melee who joins singles for fun.

http://www.mlgpro.com/wiki/index.php/2006_MLG_Season:_Final_Tally_of_Prize_Winners

Why? Precision, timing, they simply are better at it than the competition. Hell that Ken guy has a wiki page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Hoang . Always coming first..simply because his technical skills are slightly superior than everyone else\'s.

Post of the near future.

Quote from: Unicron!

no no no no no no no no no ow i pricked myself no no no no no ow i wandered into traffic

Unicron! RIP 1983-2008
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: THX on January 27, 2008, 11:14:21 PM
I\'m not trying to be a prick or smartass here... just having a civil debate.

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Just looking at MLG tournament results (once the biggest tournament for the game, and again Smash was 2nd behind Halo 2 in tournament play for a long time)

Using the popularity argument in this case is shoddy.. popularity doesn\'t equal game depth.  There are MUCH better FPS\'s out there with more depth than Halo 2.  The game is just more accessible to people than say, CS:Source or Rainbow Six (pre-Vegas) is.

I\'m not gonna lie, this looks like it takes some fast reflexes and seems like a blast:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CkyNXdPiUjA&feature=related

But I still have doubts on it being the deepest fighter out there.  People that play all fighters competitively agree that VF5 is.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on January 27, 2008, 11:30:57 PM
It\'s all opinion, so here is mine.

1: I think the pure speed of a SSBM match , will make it a lot more complex, due to reflexes alone.

2: I think, all around depth, that most likely VF5 would be considered the deepest.

3: I still say Street Fighter 3: Third Strike is the deepest fighting game out there.

4: I\'ve played every Tekken, \'cept for Tekken 5, I just felt the franchise started to go stale. I apperciate what those players were doing, but it was still just downright boring, for me to watch.
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Post by: Jumpman on January 27, 2008, 11:59:27 PM
I\'m always civil. I was banned 5 times for being too civil.

My whole point there was basically just popularity+big events+consistent winners every time= proven depth. It\'s not random people doing freak combos getting luck kills, its just skill prevailing. Everyone knows everything about the game but 7 people out skilling everyone proves the large amount of depth involved.

I wouldn\'t argue people who say VF5 is the deepest, but I will say if its already being considered the deepest after only 1 year or so of being released isn\'t a great sign. Just looking on youtube, the evolution of Melee progressed progressed a lot over the years. Even over 2006 you could Ken (the best player) changing his style to accommodate those of others. But whatev, I\'m sure VF5 is deep, and I\'m sure Melee is on the same level.

That\'s a nice video because it features Link, a nobody character in the hands of most to be honest. And he plays weird, doesn\'t even wash dash, just has great spacing and timing on his moves. Here\'s a vid of the 2006 final championship match of the nation, also featuring two of those seven elite players (Ken guy got 3rd). Fox vs Fox aka fattest character vs fattest character.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fE6hUHkEPS0&feature=related
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Post by: THX on January 28, 2008, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: Jumpman
I\'m always civil. I was banned 5 times for being too civil.

My whole point there was basically just popularity+big events+consistent winners every time= proven depth. It\'s not random people doing freak combos getting luck kills, its just skill prevailing. Everyone knows everything about the game but 7 people out skilling everyone proves the large amount of depth involved.

I wouldn\'t argue people who say VF5 is the deepest, but I will say if its already being considered the deepest after only 1 year or so of being released isn\'t a great sign. Just looking on youtube, the evolution of Melee progressed progressed a lot over the years. Even over 2006 you could Ken (the best player) changing his style to accommodate those of others. But whatev, I\'m sure VF5 is deep, and I\'m sure Melee is on the same level.

That\'s a nice video because it features Link, a nobody character in the hands of most to be honest. And he plays weird, doesn\'t even wash dash, just has great spacing and timing on his moves. Here\'s a vid of the 2006 final championship match of the nation, also featuring two of those seven elite players (Ken guy got 3rd). Fox vs Fox aka fattest character vs fattest character.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fE6hUHkEPS0&feature=related

Next outburst like that and I\'ll have Unicron ban you.

Watch it.
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Post by: Unicron! on January 28, 2008, 12:16:31 PM
Nah I d leave him alone so he would hurt himself more :yawn:
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Post by: Jumpman on January 28, 2008, 07:22:55 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
Nah I d leave him alone so he would hurt himself more :yawn:

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Post by: Sublimesjg on January 29, 2008, 01:50:38 AM
Actually VF5 came out in July 06 on arcades in japan so its been more then a year.

I would say SSBM is a deep game at tourney lvl but even then saying same 7 people are in top tier isnt really a good point as thats pretty much the case with many games and even some people carry over multiple games as top contenders - daigo - justin wong are two players that excel at games from MVSC2 - sf3 - tekken - etc

i will continue to say there is depth in most popular fighting games - thats why they became so in first place, they offered a good range of playability from casual to hardcore. It\'s peoples different tastes. i personally like my guilty gear as you your Smash brothers - i rather 2d fighter to 3d so we will both have a bias on it in the end.

but on another note i do plan on picked up brawl when it comes out just for the sake of its fun to play - specially with friends
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Post by: Unicron! on January 29, 2008, 03:19:07 PM
Also Virtua Fighter has shown its depth in previous installments such as VF4 as well. It keeps retaining it and improving it. So even if VF5 was released yesterday it would have still been accurate enough to be deemed deepest. The gameplay is old and has been evolving for years
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Post by: clips on January 29, 2008, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: Blade
Aye, Clips, I\'m sorry if I offended you. It\'s nothing against you.

I just see so many opinions formed that don\'t have a lot of facts to back them up, and occasionally I like to call people on it.



No offense taken,...i think i just took your post the wrong way,...so i was kinda bein\' the jerk there....my bad...:highfive:
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Post by: Jumpman on March 18, 2008, 04:55:28 AM
3 millionish in sales already.

Best selling game of the year yes it will be.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on March 18, 2008, 05:12:52 AM
It\'s almost making me want to pay $400 for a Wii.
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Post by: Jumpman on March 18, 2008, 05:43:35 AM
nvm i completely misread what u wrote LOL
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Post by: Phil on March 18, 2008, 09:19:22 AM
Played it, I was expecting more from all the hype.  Meh.

Don\'t get me wrong, in no way shape or form is it a bad game, but it certainly will not push me to get a wii.  It should be noted i\'ve never really played a smash bros. game before so I had no expectations from previous games.
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Post by: clips on March 18, 2008, 09:59:00 AM
It plays just like super smash bros. on the gamecube...you\'re not missin\' anything....
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Post by: Jumpman on March 18, 2008, 12:28:30 PM
Every fighting game sequal plays "just like" its predecessor. VF2-5, SC2, MK2, SF2/3, MVC2, Melee, Guilty Gear whatever, Tekken 2-5...fuck the fighting genre sucks.. why even bother playing any them.

9.5 average score nothing special clips.

Go play Uncharted some more. Maybe you\'ll find something even more stupid the next time you play through it.
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Post by: clips on March 18, 2008, 12:50:31 PM
Quote from: Jumpman
That\'s because Jumpman is too dumb to realize when clips is baiting him for a remark.

Case and point thank you




Ohhh shadapp Jumpy.....i was just jerkin\' you and you took the bait......it certainly took you long enough to respond....relax...i know nintendo 1st party stuff has high values....damn... is it that time of the month for you?..:D
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Post by: Jumpman on March 18, 2008, 02:28:41 PM
Sorry, if I was black or you were white maybe we would have been on the same page.
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Post by: Evi on March 20, 2008, 05:15:28 AM
Now I have an excuse to get a Wii. This will probably be the only game I have on the system, though. :p

Marvel Vs. Capcom and the Guilty Gear series are definiltey my favs. It\'s always nice to beat the shit out of noobs at the arcade in Tekken. Gawd I love fighting games. ^_^
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Post by: Bozco on March 22, 2008, 05:25:40 PM
Quote from: Jumpman
3 millionish in sales already.

Best selling game of the year yes it will be.


Not completely fair to say that, there\'s no other games worth playing on the Wii so it\'s bound to sell.
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Post by: Jumpman on March 22, 2008, 05:42:50 PM
Sure it is, there are zero games worth playing on PS3 and Xbox360...so its bound to sell the best!
Title: Smash Bros Brawl perfect score from Famitsu
Post by: Bozco on March 22, 2008, 06:28:40 PM
My half joke was funny but that\'s hilarious
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Post by: Jumpman on March 24, 2008, 07:04:05 AM
Yeah I\'m hilarious on every level.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GIeWjLC_SB0
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Post by: THX on March 24, 2008, 08:23:36 AM
I herd u cant evn do fatalties in dis game????  howcan it win game of the yr award?
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Post by: Jumpman on March 24, 2008, 08:49:22 AM
Final Smashes>any other gimmick in a fighting game!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q1okqS_Sd24
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Post by: shockwaves on March 24, 2008, 11:30:51 AM
My question is, now that Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros., and soon Mario Kart games out for Wii already, what the hell do we see in the next couple years from them?
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Post by: Jumpman on March 24, 2008, 11:35:03 AM
Wii Sports 2, Wii Fit, Wii Strap on Simulation...

Should hear some stuff at E3. Stuff will get announced. Probably a new big game this xmas but dry year till then.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on April 07, 2008, 08:17:50 AM
Well, I own both Mario Galaxy and SSBM.

Thoughts.

Galaxy has potential, but over all it just plain sucks.  The control is iffy and the boss battles are the gay.

Super Smash Bros Brawl is a great game, but the online experience is killed by lag and the gay Wii friend codes. Really hurts the game overall.
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Post by: GmanJoe on April 07, 2008, 10:28:29 AM
I always get confuzzled by smash brothers games.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on April 07, 2008, 01:52:30 PM
I enjoy it, but I am thinking the Paper Mario game will be more down my isle. I just bought the VC Pario Mario and loving it, where as the actual two Wii games I own I am totally under whelmed by.
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Post by: Blade on April 09, 2008, 07:31:22 AM
LiC: Galaxy sucks? Pretty much everybody I know that\'s played it said it was joy on a disc.

I owned/played most of the GOTY candidates this year and Galaxy was head-and-shoulders above the others in overall fun factor and polish.

But to each his own. The Wii game that I\'m waiting for is Pikmin 3. :)
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on April 09, 2008, 10:16:57 AM
I find the boss battles and motion control in Galaxy to totally piss-poor.
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Post by: Eiksirf on April 18, 2008, 09:24:05 AM
Sorry I\'m late to the party.
 
Smash Bros. was never really my thing, but collecting all those trophies can be addicting.

Galaxy is an awesome game. I played through the whole thing twice, which I didn\'t even do with Mario 64.
 
And Famitsu actually gave Nintendogs a perfect score? Did I read that right?

Has anyone ever tried that game? It was God awful. I would\'ve scored it, honestly, like 4 or 5 out of 10.
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Post by: Samwise on April 23, 2008, 10:32:35 PM
Great review:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/4845-Zero-Punctuation-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl
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Post by: ooseven on April 24, 2008, 09:27:41 AM
I\'m with this guy

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/4845-Zero-Punctuation-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl

Edit Damn it Sammy... you came First ,.... Bow Chicha BOW WOW !
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on April 24, 2008, 01:25:20 PM
He used to be funny, but now the formula has grown old.