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Sen. Barack Obama\'s pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."
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Is Obama\'s Pastor a Liability?
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama\'s pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago\'s south side, has a long history of what even Obama\'s campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."
In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don\'t think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don\'t always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."
An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright\'s sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing \'God Bless America.\' No, no, no, God damn America, that\'s in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda\'s attacks because of its own terrorism.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America\'s chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4443788
Well, this has been on the news for the past week and Obama is making a speech about it today. For a guy that is running on a platform of "bringing America together", this is bad news for his chances. Considering he refer\'s to Wright as his uncle, mentor, spiritual advisor, etc... and then claims he didn\'t know about such statements even though he has been attending the church for 20 years... I find it unbelievable.
It is obvious Wright hates this country and considering some Michelle Obama\'s comments along with the fact that Obama refused to wear an American flag on his lapel and put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem - it makes sense.
I don\'t know about anyone else, but when I do attend church (once in a blue moon) I never hear shit like this. For people to make excuses that it is a "black thing", etc. is bullshit. Not to mention him supporting Obama from the pulpit should have the tax exempt status of this Church of Hate removed.
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Whelp he already stated that he doesn\'t agree with some of the crap he states,...that said tho,...and let\'s be honest...and i\'ve even said it before...the u.s, has and continues to enforce unfair policies all over the world,..even before 911,...yes the u.s. gives help to to millions across the world, but they also have unfair policies in place that really have pissed off some folk..that kind of counters all of that generosity.
That said tho,..if this pastor feels that way,..he should just pack up and leave...America is no saint when it comes to enforcing their policies,..but they certainly aren\'t the worst....yea racism exists and to some,... afri americans will always be seen as 2nd or 3rd class citizens, but i can name a dozen or moreso countries that are waaay worse....
Obama doesn\'t need to address this pastor,...he stated that he condemned his statements and that he doesn\'t agree with them...i think him tryin to explain it any further is gettin away from the issues at hand like the economy and the war.....*i\'m shocked that his staff hasn\'t pointed this out to him*...and he has to be smart about this,...if he tries to defend this guy, he can just watch that white support slip......only the assholes in the media care about this as i\'m sure the average american are just worrying about job growth, the housing dilema, the war..and the economy...
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Lol..try actually going to this church b4 u pass a judgment. I have been there several times with my grandmother when I was younger. Nothing like the recent things have ever been said.
This guy would have been on someones radar long ago if he had been doing this shit for the last 25 years.
The thing that kills me is how much scrutiny 9secs on vid here and 17 secs of vid there turns into. The entire sermons need to seen in order to correctly judge the content and context of all that was said.
A 10sec clip of Castro kissing a baby saying I love the USA wouldn\'t change the fact that he is still a POS. It would take years of change b4 ppl would change their view about him. Thats why I dont think its fair to judge this loudmouth by a few short clips.
Jeremiah Wright has done many wonderful and fantastic things for the underprivileged in the Chicago area. I cant say much other than that as I do not know the man. I also know he has said some powerfully controversial things in the last4-5 yrs apparently.
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On a side note, I think he delivered an excellent speech and addressed the issue correctly.
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aggh...i missed it....i\'m gonna have to youtube it....
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His pastor is an idiot. I hope God strikes him dead. :p
Dear President W Bush
Please kill Obama\'s pastor. Thank you.
:D
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Both Obama and McCain have been linked to a crazy preacher.
In McCain\'s case it\'s the anti-catholic anti-semitic John Hagee:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDibKu9cwCdKWIQ4MXDoy3Ab37-gD8V68I800 (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDibKu9cwCdKWIQ4MXDoy3Ab37-gD8V68I800)
Yesterday, though, the equally fringe, radical and hateful (at least) Rev. John Hagee -- a white evangelical who is the pastor of a sprawling "mega-church" in Texas -- enthusiastically endorsed John McCain. Did McCain have to jump through the same hoops which Russert and others set up for Obama and "denounce" Hagee\'s extremism and "reject" his support? No; quite the opposite. McCain said he was "very honored" to receive this endorsement and, when asked about some of Hagee\'s more twisted views, responded: "all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee\'s support."
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/index.html (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/index.html)
I do not care about any religious association of a candidate unless that person is so deeply involved that they may be controlled by their clergy. (Such as Romney or Huckabee)
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Funny thing is how everyday I keep hearing how if faux news didnt break the story and start running the clips..the lefty media never would have. Where are all of the loops of insanity that ass Hagee spews?
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Both Obama and McCain have been linked to a crazy preacher.
In McCain\'s case it\'s the anti-catholic anti-semitic John Hagee:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDibKu9cwCdKWIQ4MXDoy3Ab37-gD8V68I800 (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDibKu9cwCdKWIQ4MXDoy3Ab37-gD8V68I800)
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/index.html (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/index.html)
I do not care about any religious association of a candidate unless that person is so deeply involved that they may be controlled by their clergy. (Such as Romney or Huckabee)
First of all McCain hasn\'t dedicated a book to this guy, or has he referred to him as family and a mentor. You are mixing apples and oranges. Who is worse? Hagee or Farrakhan and Wright?
Hussein\'s speech was a joke - he basically admitted that he lied about not knowing about the controversial remarks which he stated 3 days ago that he had no clue about. Anyone who attends that church and feels it is positive needs their head examined.
His church is a "black theology" church - ie. a racist church. How many comments does it take to call a spade a spade luckee? Ever wonder why Oprah left years ago? Wright is hateful and has no place remotely near the white house. If this had been a white minister and a white candidate they would have been asked to step down and even resign their position in goverment, which is exactly what I think Osama NObama should do - resign his Senate seat.
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Funny thing is how everyday I keep hearing how if faux news didnt break the story and start running the clips..the lefty media never would have. Where are all of the loops of insanity that ass Hagee spews?
This was news over a year ago, but the lefty media wouldn\'t touch it. After all, Chris Matthews gets a special feeling up his leg everytime he hears Osama speak.
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On a side note, I think he delivered an excellent speech and addressed the issue correctly.
Yeah i finally seen it...he did a superb job....and all he did was tell the truth about race relations in america...unfortunately now, i\'m sure the media wants him to donate a body part to show that he doesn\'t share the same values...i was watchin\' some guy on cnn the other night who wrote up an article about obama\'s pastor,....and i think lou dobbs asked.."Was Obamsa condeming of his pastors comments enough?"...and the idiot edior or journalist stated "no"...it\'s not enough,...he needs to do more....
People will not be satisfied no matter what you do....this pastor has his own views and outlook on life.....even tho some of the stuff the pastor stated was hurtful,..alot of it is indeed true,...but Obama really doesn\'t need that as a distraction....he addressed it and now he needs to leave it alone....i give him props for being honest on the issue,...but just drop this thing completely....
It is funny how one of Clintons supporters made some controversial remarks concerning obama, and yet Clinton didn\'t ask her to resign,..she clearly stated that she just didn\'t agree with her and that was the end of that...same thing with this pastor with McCain.....so controversial remarks by whites can be slid under the mat, while any controversial remarks by an afri. american,....at least in this presidential campaign gets 24 hrs a day footage....this is why i will always say that things will always be twicw as hard for any afri. american....to get that job or house..and in this case the presidency....Obama has to bend backwards just to prove himself, when his other white counter-parts, don\'t have to,...it\'s bulls**t...
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Maybe because Wright basically said all the problems in the US, scratch that, the world are "whitey\'s fault".
Twice as hard to get a house for a black person? Pllllllllease stop talking out of your ass.
Tell me what is true about what this so called Pastor said? White America created the AIDS virus to kill blacks? America lied about Pearl Harbor? We created 9/11? I hope they continue playing his idiotic comments over and over again so people can see what Hussein and Michelle really think about America.
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If this had been a white minister and a white candidate they would have been asked to step down and even resign their position in goverment, which is exactly what I think Osama NObama should do - resign his Senate seat.
Do you have anything else to say about Obama, because it feels like you\'re grasping to claim that you\'re offended by this little non-event. Seriously, he should resign his senate seat because of something someone else said?
You better hope they come up with a REAL scandal on Obama, because otherwise, McCain in doomed in November.
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Just to add,...the media has been playin this race card from day one...."will Obama be the first black prez?"...."Is America ready for an afri. american president?"...if you have to ask that question,..then it\'s clear that america is still confined in an ignorant mindset and still has a extrordinary painfully long way to go in terms of racial relations.....
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Do you have anything else to say about Obama, because it feels like you\'re grasping to claim that you\'re offended by this little non-event. Seriously, he should resign his senate seat because of something someone else said?
You better hope they come up with a REAL scandal on Obama, because otherwise, McCain in doomed in November.
Yes I am offended by his mentor/uncle/spiritual advisor. I am also offended by his wife\'s comments. Not to mention I don\'t like Hussein\'s socialist policies such as redistribution of wealth, etc. He is the real threat to this country.
Yes he should resign his seat, Trent Lott was forced to resign over much less.
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Maybe because Wright basically said all the problems in the US, scratch that, the world are "whitey\'s fault".
Twice as hard to get a house for a black person? Pllllllllease stop talking out of your ass.
Tell me what is true about what this so called Pastor said? White America created the AIDS virus to kill blacks? America lied about Pearl Harbor? We created 9/11? I hope they continue playing his idiotic comments over and over again so people can see what Hussein and Michelle really think about America.
I already addressed some of the issues in my first post,....don\'t get all dumb and start acting like racism doesn\'t exist...it does...and i didn\'t agree with EVERYTHING he stated,.....i don\'t expect you to understand,....times have gotten better tru enough,...but you don\'t how it feels to be pulled over just for color of your skin and other cliche scenarios....i don\'t feel like pointing out every incident that\'s happened to me because i\'ve done that a thousand times already....
I don\'t think Obama feels the same way his pastor does,...but people like yourself won\'t let it go,....if a buddy of mine says something insulting toward another ethnic group then i must feel the same way?.....don\'t be as simple as the media since they want to get ratings and make a circus outta this thing, and be discrimninate towards Obama at the same time....
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i thought his wife\'s comments just werent thought through enough. it was just another way to say that america\'s gotten in a rut and needs a change by saying they havent been happy with america\'s government in their lifetime...i mean, who has been "happy"? theres always something to bitch about. She didnt think that the republicans jumping on the quote would have get more of a reaction than the dems and independents that might vote for him.
but it really is hard to take you seriously giga..by hard, i mean that i cant. you\'d do mccain more good if you learned how to convince people correctly..now you\'ve just gone down the path of noone listening to you because of your shitty tactics and reasoning
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What don\'t you understand clips... he dedicated a book to this guy. He calls this guy his mentor for the past 20 years. Don\'t tell me he doesn\'t share the same beliefs as him on some level. You have to really be brain dead to not understand this.
It would be different if he was had rarely attended the church and that was it, but it is not. The relationship between him and Wright goes much deeper than you and others are willing to acknowledge.
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i thought his wife\'s comments werent thought through enough. it was just another way to say that america\'s gotten in a rut and needs a change by saying they havent been happy with america\'s government in their lifetime...i mean, who has been "happy"? theres always something to bitch about. She didnt think that the republicans jumping on the quote would have get more of a reaction than the dems and independents that might vote for him.
but it really is hard to take you seriously giga..but i hard, i mean that i cant. you\'d do mccain more good if you learned how to convince people correctly..now you\'ve just gone down the path of noone listening to you because of your shitty tactics and reasoning
I am not trying to convince you of anything. If you are too stupid to realize the truth, I pity you. I couldn\'t care less if I impact your decisions or not. Obama, his pastor and his wife are racist pieces of shit. I don\'t give a damn if you take me seriously or not.
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It would be different if he was had rarely attended the church and that was it, but it is not. The relationship between him and Wright goes much deeper than you and others are willing to acknowledge.
on what basis do you know this? gut feeling? "reasoning"? god damn get a clue..
im not saying that there is or isnt, but at least have something to back it up..your ass has to be getting tired of spewing bs
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You don\'t read much do you Viper?
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What don\'t you understand clips... he dedicated a book to this guy. He calls this guy his mentor for the past 20 years. Don\'t tell me he doesn\'t share the same beliefs as him on some level. You have to really be brain dead to not understand this.
It would be different if he was had rarely attended the church and that was it, but it is not. The relationship between him and Wright goes much deeper than you and others are willing to acknowledge.
So again..you are judging something you have never witnessed b/c of a few clips only seconds long? gotcha!
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I have read and i still see no basis to say there some deep connection between obama and his pastor where obama has every crazy belief that the pastor does. Your making broad generalizations. You go from saying "there has to be a connection on some level" between these 2 guys\' views, and then you go on to say that theyre both insane racists who hate america.
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So again..you are judging something you have never witnessed b/c of a few clips only seconds long? gotcha!
Spin it however you want... there are hours of his racists rants available on DVD. Hey, here is a though... maybe if Hussein gets elected you will finally get reparations!
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I have read and i still see no basis to say there some deep connection between obama and his pastor where obama has every crazy belief that the pastor does. Your making broad generalizations. You go from saying "there has to be a connection on some level" between these 2 guys\' views, and then you go on to say that theyre both insane racists who hate america.
Do the words MENTOR, SPIRITUAL ADVISOR, and FAMILY (to someone who is not) mean anything to you Viper? If you don\'t share very similar beliefs with someone how can you use any of those words to describe them?
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I am not trying to convince you of anything. If you are too stupid to realize the truth, I pity you. I couldn\'t care less if I impact your decisions or not. Obama, his pastor and his wife are racist pieces of shit. I don\'t give a damn if you take me seriously or not.
Aren\'t you a self proclaimed racist? How could someone else being a racist be a negative in your eyes? Your words carry no weight with anyone here. I pride myself on having friends who share different beliefs and are of different races, you on the other hand are close minded and full of hateful rhetoric.
The pastor of my church says things from time to time that I don\'t agree with, just because I go to that church and consider him a friend/spiritual advisor/whatever does NOT mean I am with him 100% on every single issue.
Grasp for straws much?
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Aren\'t you a self proclaimed racist yourself? Your words carry no weight with anyone here. I pride myself on having friends who share different beliefs and are of different races, you on the other hand are close minded and full of hateful rhetoric.
Obviously you have a reading disability as well.
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alright, let me go digging before you change your past posts here IN THIS FORUM
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Spin it however you want... there are hours of his racists rants available on DVD. Hey, here is a though... maybe if Hussein gets elected you will finally get reparations!
Pls dont try to accuse me of spinning something when I ask you a question that you did not answer with some reparation bullshit. c\'mon guy So where are they? Have you seen them? You are strictly basing your comments from 4-5 different clips no longer than 9 seconds.
NOW....if there is a tape of him doing that for his entire hr long or what ever sermon, that would be a different case. Im willing to bet that there isnt one otherwise it would be all over fox as well.
*god damning amerikkka* :jacked:
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alright, let me go digging before you change your past posts here IN THIS FORUM
Two topics down where I was being sarcastic. In the straw poll - go look.
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Pls dont try to accuse me of spinning something when I ask you a question that you did not answer with some reparation bullshit. c\'mon guy So where are they? Have you seen them? You are strictly basing your comments from 4-5 different clips no longer than 9 seconds.
NOW....if there is a tape of him doing that for his entire hr long or what ever sermon, that would be a different case. Im willing to bet that there isnt one otherwise it would be all over fox as well.
*god damning amerikkka* :jacked:
ABC broke the story first and there is a lot more than little 9 second snips. Search Youtube.
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Semantics ehh? The controversial words are no more than the neighborhood of 9 seconds.
Hell some are montages of several different services...whats ur point?
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"On the other end, we\'ve heard my former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation -- that rightly offend white and black alike.
I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Rev. Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain.
Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely -- just as I\'m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.
But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren\'t simply controversial. They weren\'t simply a religious leader\'s effort to speak out against perceived injustice.
Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country -- a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America, a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.
As such, Rev. Wright\'s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems -- two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.
Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Rev. Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church?
And I confess that if all that I knew of Rev. Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and YouTube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way
But the truth is, that isn\'t all that I know of the man. The man I met more than 20 years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor.
He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine, who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God\'s work here on Earth -- by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.
In my first book, "Dreams From My Father," I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:
"People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend\'s voice up into the rafters....And in that single note -- hope! -- I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion\'s den, Ezekiel\'s field of dry bones.
"Those stories -- of survival, and freedom, and hope -- became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world.
"Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn\'t need to feel shame about...memories that all people might study and cherish -- and with which we could start to rebuild."
That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety -- the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger.
Like other black churches, Trinity\'s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear.
The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.
And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Rev. Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children.
Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions -- the good and the bad -- of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.
I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother -- a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love."
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Luckee he lied and who knows what else he is lying about...
PROOF:
4 Days ago
"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign."
Today
"Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."
His speech was all about being a victim and the entire sentiment that poor black people cannot advance any further in America until all wealthy people in America are taxed down to their level is very, very racist.
To sum my feelings up...
How can we even REMOTELY consider someone for the most important office in the world when he willingly and glowingly associates with someone who feels this way about this country.
You don\'t see an issue with Obama, for 20 years, being a member of a church:
- in which the Pastor vehemently chastises the USA - you might say he hates the USA.
- which pledges its allegiance to Africa versus the United States of America
- which preaches a \'black liberation theology\'. Regardless of the 6 or 7 liberal University of Chicago profs sitting in the pews, the church is about and for black people. Fine. But doesn\'t give me a \'cross the divide\' sort of feeling.
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Luckee he lied and who knows what else he is lying about...
PROOF:
4 Days ago
"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign."
Today
"Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."
His speech was all about being a victim and the entire sentiment that poor black people cannot advance any further in America until all wealthy people in America are taxed down to their level is very, very racist.
Thats an easy play on words and you know it. He was not in church when Wright made the comments that are on utube. Hell they just proved today or yesterday that he was down here in florida doing something or another when Wright went off on one of his rants.
Thats just like having 7 burglarized homes and be asked if I broke into all of those homes. I only broke into 6 so I would say no.... tiendes maricone?
Other than that, I know you are not making a big deal about politicians lying are you. Your current regime is guilty of many lies. Thats another thread tho....
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Way to deflect there luckee... seems that is all libs do. It doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to figure out that Obama dislikes this country, just like his mentor and his wife.
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Luckee he lied and who knows what else he is lying about...
To sum my feelings up...
How can we even REMOTELY consider someone for the most important office in the world when he willingly and glowingly associates with someone who feels this way about this country.
You don\'t see an issue with Obama, for 20 years, being a member of a church:
- in which the Pastor vehemently chastises the USA - you might say he hates the USA.
- which pledges its allegiance to Africa versus the United States of America
- which preaches a \'black liberation theology\'. Regardless of the 6 or 7 liberal University of Chicago profs sitting in the pews, the church is about and for black people. Fine. But doesn\'t give me a \'cross the divide\' sort of feeling.
ahh the elusive ninja edit....
I have drunks and drug addicts in my family so that means I must disassociate with the rest of my family b/c of said losers?
The Africa thing is always misunderstood by whitey..... Often its more spiritual than physical, but Im not speaking for Wright as I do not know his full intentions as most others do not.
This guy is so anti america all of the time...where are the videos from every year with him spewing this shit? 1972 was a long time ago, I know the media can do better than the few snippets they did find from recent yrs.
DId it ever occur to you that ppl change, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. Im sure his retirement also had something to do with said comments.
Not to mention as I have already..its all about content and context which certainly cannot be fully understood within a few seconds
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Let\'s get this part right:
Do the words MENTOR, SPIRITUAL ADVISOR, and FAMILY (to someone who is not) mean anything to you Viper? If you don\'t share very similar beliefs with someone how can you use any of those words to describe them?
MENTOR:
As far as I can tell, Obama has never used this word to describe Wright. The press has used it often.
SPIRITUAL ADVISOR:
During an interview with MSNBC\'s Keith Olberman, Sen. Barack Obama confirmed that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is no longer on the Obama campaign spiritual advisory committee.
FAMILY:
"I would not repudiate the man," Obama said. "It\'s like a member of your family that says something that you really disagree with: You don\'t stop being a member of the family but you have to speak out forcefully on the issue."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/obama-comments.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/obama-comments.html)
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Way to deflect there luckee... seems that is all libs do. It doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to figure out that Obama dislikes this country, just like his mentor and his wife.
You have nothing and speculate...I love it. One comment from his wife(who knows if iit was a supid mistake or not)...one former pastor who has no record of saying that shit during his lengthy tenure as "a man of god" until recent.
The whole hand over his heart/anthem thing.....dont really remember that issue much at all. No button on his lapel...talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. I dont own an american flag...i must be some pinko or sand nigger...lol
*still god damning amerikkka* lol
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Meh...saying he\'s a flat-out racist is just wrong giga....he explained everything in the text luckee posted and in this vid.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7piGy0u43c
I guess the guy and this church supposedly have done some good for the community and the public in general....which is why i guess Obama is not outright cuttin\' the guy down.....
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How many allowances can we make here?
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Please vote for McCain.
And this is the few times I like the media. :D YAY! Bye bye Osama! Err....Obama! ;) :p
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I\'ve done some more thinking about this....and i\'m just going to be honest about it,...and i even tho it kinda of goes against Obama a bit,..this is the conclusion i\'ve come to....if this had been a white pastor sayin\' these kinds of remarks towards blacks,..s**t would have hit the fan,....everybody would\'ve been upset *including myself*..and i\'m sure that the said candidate would have probably had to drop out of the race...i mean yea okay there\'s a time and place for the racial debate to be had,...but not at church and not in such a distasteful fashion.
When i think of how blacks were treated in the 40\'s,50\'s. 60\'s and even events that are currently happening in my era,..when i hear of events like the nooses that were hung with the jena 6 incident and white folks driving around with nooses out of the back of their truck,...yea..it pisses me off,..which is why i give heat to some rappers and some of the black youth of today for how they call each-other nigger and refer to their women as bitches and hoes,...all the while you still have some white folk pointin\' and laughing at them and clownin\' them...
As far the pastor goes, i can forget anything he might\'ve stated over several years ago, but what got me was when he stated that "hillary will never know what it will feel like to be called a nigger"....when i heard that i just shook my head....yea she will never know what it will feel like, but this type of talk only seperates us more as a country...and i felt like we were takin a few steps back with that comment....i mean damn..newsflash..pastor..you do know that your friend "Obama" is runnin\' for president right?...did you think it was wise to spout such nonsense when his message is to bring the country together?...:stick:..what a f**kin\' asshole....
And Obama should\'ve dropped this dude from the jump...i don\'t care if you do know him for 20 years,...and let\'s again be honest,... Obama had to have known on some level that this guy was talkin\' like that....I commend Obama for bein\' honest in his speech about the racial relations in america and in that we have a long way to go,....but at the same time it seemed like he was defending him a bit which in the political game,..is just something you can\'t do...and i\'m just lookin\' at it from the support that he has from white folk...cause i\'m sure in light of recent events,..alot of them are feelin\' kinda nervous about Obama on some level and where he stands...
I still personally don\'t think Obama is a racist at all and still feel he is the best candidate ,...but he shouldn\'t have signed this guy on to be his spirital advisor at all...we\'ll see what happens.... hopefully his campaign will get back to talkin\' about real issues and this issue will slowly go away, but this is going to leave a huge scar on his campaign from here on out....
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I\'ve done some more thinking about this....and i\'m just going to be honest about it,...and i even tho it kinda of goes against Obama a bit,..this is the conclusion i\'ve come to....if this had been a white pastor sayin\' these kinds of remarks towards blacks,..s**t would have hit the fan,....everybody would\'ve been upset *including myself*..and i\'m sure that the said candidate would have probably had to drop out of the race...i mean yea okay there\'s a time and place for the racial debate to be had,...but not at church and not in such a distasteful fashion.
When i think of how blacks were treated in the 40\'s,50\'s. 60\'s and even events that are currently happening in my era,..when i hear of events like the nooses that were hung with the jena 6 incident and white folks driving around with nooses out of the back of their truck,...yea..it pisses me off,..which is why i give heat to some rappers and some of the black youth of today for how they call each-other nigger and refer to their women as bitches and hoes,...all the while you still have some white folk pointin\' and laughing at them and clownin\' them...
As far the pastor goes, i can forget anything he might\'ve stated over several years ago, but what got me was when he stated that "hillary will never know what it will feel like to be called a nigger"....when i heard that i just shook my head....yea she will never know what it will feel like, but this type of talk only seperates us more as a country...and i felt like we were takin a few steps back with that comment....i mean damn..newsflash..pastor..you do know that your friend "Obama" is runnin\' for president right?...did you think it was wise to spout such nonsense when his message is to bring the country together?...:stick:..what a f**kin\' asshole....
And Obama should\'ve dropped this dude from the jump...i don\'t care if you do know him for 20 years,...and let\'s again be honest,... Obama had to have known on some level that this guy was talkin\' like that....I commend Obama for bein\' honest in his speech about the racial relations in america and in that we have a long way to go,....but at the same time it seemed like he was defending him a bit which in the political game,..is just something you can\'t do...and i\'m just lookin\' at it from the support that he has from white folk...cause i\'m sure in light of recent events,..alot of them are feelin\' kinda nervous about Obama on some level and where he stands...
I still personally don\'t think Obama is a racist at all and still feel he is the best candidate ,...but he shouldn\'t have signed this guy on to be his spirital advisor at all...we\'ll see what happens.... hopefully his campaign will get back to talkin\' about real issues and this issue will slowly go away, but this is going to leave a huge scar on his campaign from here on out....
In all honesty clips, many of us conservatives would love to see a black president. Obama had a great run at the beginning of the campaign by keeping race out of it. That is why he was so successful with white America, but then this shit happened. I was pretty disappointed - even though I am voting for McCain, I could have lived with Obama before all this crap happened... now I am not so sure. Other white people feel the same way and IMO this has really hurt his chances in the general election.
I would love to see America get past its racial issues, but as we see here it is a two way street. Not only are some whites racist, but this brought black racism into the spotlight.
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We wont even begin to get past racial tensions until all ppl from that era are all dead.
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my former "English" teacher is a good example who has a very strong racial tension.
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maybe it\'s time you got a president who didn\'t go to church at all...
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We wont even begin to get past racial tensions until all ppl from that era are all dead.
Are we talking about Elvis? I can\'t wait until everyone fascinated with Elvis are dead. Although I was 6 when he died so it will be quite a while.:jacked:
Obama is a waste. Great political speaker, but he ain\'t shit. He doesn\'t know shit. He was a friggen senator for god\'s sake. Presidency is nothing like being a senator. That\'s why presidents usually come from governors and the business world.:soapbox:
maybe it\'s time you got a president who didn\'t go to church at all...
To be honest, I would be much happier if my president had the intelligence to not follow the horseshit we call religion.:thumb:
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Obama is a waste. Great political speaker, but he ain\'t shit. He doesn\'t know shit. He was a friggen senator for god\'s sake. Presidency is nothing like being a senator. That\'s why presidents usually come from governors and the business world.:soapbox:
We already have a prez that has experience and we\'ve seen the results of that...Obama seems to have more common sense than our current commander in chief, not to mention we\'re spending millions every month on an iraqi war with no end in sight...bush states the surge is working, but if we pull out, iraq will fall apart...well wtf?..our troops are destined to stay there forever?....the u.s. is tired of bush and this tired-ass war,..and votin for McCain?...this guy doesn\'t even know who\'s doin\' what as far as al-qaida(spel) and iran is concerned,...and isn\'t he about 90?...nobody wants an old ass prez...and votin\' for him, you might as well be votin for bush all over again....
To be honest, I would be much happier if my president had the intelligence to not follow the horseshit we call religion.:thumb:
It\'s ok to follow religion,..as long as you\'re not too radical with it...for some religion gives discipline and structure to one\'s life..
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I wouldn\'t exactly say McCain is like voting for Bush. I mean the ole fuck was a POW for god\'s sake.
Bush had a very tough 8 years. Not only did he have the .com crash, but he had 9/11. That is real tough. Combine that with coming after Clinton who had the .com boom, a couple unretaliated mild terrorist events and it looks real bad.
I don\'t agree with some of the stuff Bush has done, but man I just couldn\'t imagine having some one as political as Obama in the white house. And to be honest, I really don\'t think he has a shot in hell of beating McCain anyway. Look at the last two elections... Democrats get all the publicity and look like the shoe in and end up losing come November.
With that said, what the fuck do I know..
It\'s ok to follow religion,..as long as you\'re not too radical with it...for some religion gives discipline and structure to one\'s life..
Can\'t you just have discipline and structure on your own without following the horseshit of parting waters, a big boat with dinosaurs on it, and creating a chick from a rib?
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I was watching one of those cable news channels a few nights ago and the general consensus is that repubs. would rather see Hilary take the NOM as they feel she is much weaker running against McCain.
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Can\'t you just have discipline and structure on your own without following the horseshit of parting waters, a big boat with dinosaurs on it, and creating a chick from a rib?
:laughing:...oh absolutely....i\'m sure there are plenty of people that have solid foundations in life without religion,..life in general is just using basic common sense...i was just sayin that in politics they kind of expect you to have such high moral values and to be the holiest person on the planet,..well certain special interest groups do anyway....
I was watching one of those cable news channels a few nights ago and the general consensus is that repubs. would rather see Hilary take the NOM as they feel she is much weaker running against McCain.
Yea i heard that too,..but i don\'t know..i think hillary would hold her own against McCain,..i\'ve seen the debates she had with Obama and she faired pretty well....It\'s weird to see Obama and hillary debate tho,..because both of their plans for america are so similar,...there are really just minor differences between them....if hillary did go up against McCain, i think they(the republicans) would be in for a huge surprise
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Like I said.......listen to the whole thing instead of spur of the moment, uninformed decisions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x279GNMwvY
Take 10 minutes................
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Like I said.......listen to the whole thing instead of spur of the moment, uninformed decisions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x279GNMwvY
Take 10 minutes................
Damn. I was starting to question Obama because of those snippets they put in the news. Its funny how they spin things. I know it happens and they only show the half truth and I guess that\'s a perfect lesson. The masses can be persuaded by simple editing.
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Show me one study that says one thing and I\'ll show you another that states the opposite.
Who the hell knows what is real anymore in the digital age.
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Show me one study that says one thing and I\'ll show you another that states the opposite.
Who the hell knows what is real anymore in the digital age.
Which is why I try to just find the middle of the road. I feel the truth is in the middle instead of from one side or the other unless it is from a very credible source. I think in politics everyone bullshits and the best thing to do is listen to both sides then make a decision. Anyone who submits themselves to everything a party has to say is scary as shit.
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Like I said.......listen to the whole thing instead of spur of the moment, uninformed decisions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x279GNMwvY
Take 10 minutes................
I listened to it and it\'s funny how he was quoting somebody else...and the fact that the person who said those things were white.*the media definitely took that little snippet and ran with it*...but this was over several years ago....i think the media was more upset about him sayin "god damn america"... and like i stated earlier those comments that he stated about hillary not knowin\' what it\'ll be like to be called a nigger and bill clinton ridin\' dirty is just uncalled for....who wants tro hear that type of talk when they\'re in church?...not me....
And i\'ll be the first person too defend afri. americans against any discriminatory act, but i don\'t think the best way to fight racism is with more racism....i think we have to be above all of that...i mean i get angry when i hear of incidents of afri. americans bein\' treated unfairly at the hands of some white folk or even dying in some scenarios *thinks of the guy that was dragged to pieces from the back of a pickup truck some years ago*....but even so that doesn\'t mean i\'ma tell my kids that all white folk are racists or evil..(i say that because i seen a vid of him sayin that white folk where the enemy)....and when i go outside i\'ma bash the next white folk i see....
Now the pastor didn\'t say that, but what i\'m sayin\' is that is what will happen when you keep all of that anger inside of you...i\'m fully aware that racism exists, but i\'m not walkin\' around angry at all white folks about it....my kids are fully aware of racism, but they also know that all white folk aren\'t like that...and when you\'re talkin\' like that, you gotta understand that young kids are in the church, takin\' this stuff in like a tape recorder.....every time a racist incident that involves white kids(like the jena 6 incident) i said that type of s**t starts with the parents,...the same applies here, only it\'s in the church...
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I think the point is more that he is on Obama\'s Election Committee more than anything else. Someone who can speak like that actually on his campaign is pretty bad.
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Personally I think that in a presidential election against McCain this could be very bad for Obama. I respect his decision to defend the pastor and not try to distance himself but I think it was a horrible decision politically. Comparing this situation to the McCain-Hagee situation is un-warrented as Hagee was just endorsing McCain while the Pastor is, according to Obama, a very close family friends. I think the fact that he is a close family friend puts Obama in tough spot because its hard to end a relationship like that but at the same time it could end his chances at becoming the next president.
I think the biggest problem in this situation for Obama is that it shows poor judgment on his part. The man is obviously racist and filled with hatred yet Obama goes as far as to call this man his mentor. That makes people think to themselves "how much of this garbage does Obama believe in?" I would like to know the answer to that, because Obama seems to be pretty level headed and full of some good ideas.
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they also said clinton crying would end her chance of becoming president. It\'s just going to be a bump in the road. without this, hes had a pretty flawless run. All they\'ve had on him is using someone speech (oooo) and not having the plans to backup his claims. The second ones a bigger deal, but the fact that mccain and clinton used that at the same time to try to bring obama down as he was gaining a bunch of momentum lessens clinton and mccain\'s mud slinging credibility.
if he wins the nomination, it\'s going to be a long time, and a whole other race, till we\'re voting for president. As for the rest of the states in the primary, im not sure how many people it will affect.
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ANd lack of experience.. Also his bogus promises that will be impossible for him to really do anything about.
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lack of experience can be looked at in both ways. Some people want experience, some people like the idea of someone not jaded by all the bs politics that has dragged the government down.
and the bogus promises fall under the ideas with nothing backing it up that clinton and mccain rode for a while.
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Well,..whoever the next prez is,..the problems that we have now will not be solved within the next 4 years,..it\'s going to take alot of work for the u.s. to see a surplus in the budget, fix the housing mess, and repair the economy, but with the war taking a huge chunk out of the u.s. finances(we\'re even borrowing money from china) i don\'t see a chance at recovery at all.....one thing is certain tho....i don\'t see how the u.s. can maintain spending millions on iraq every month for the next 5 - 10 ten years....Bush is acting like this war doesn\'t affect the economy...it does..and if the u.s. congress doesn\'t send him a bill that has money for the war, he vetos it...:rolleyes:
It\'s like he doesn\'t care what the country is going through, you\'d just better make sure you have money to support the war....Bush is going to leave a dark legacy behind when we look back at his eight years in office...somer people say he had it rough since 9/11....i don\'t think so,....i agreed with us going into afghanastan(spel).....but iraq?...even i knew that was a wrong decision from the very beginning,...he was really just focused on invading iraq,..even when n.korea at the time was poppin s**t like..."we will bring death to america"...bush & co. just totally ignored those threats and focused on somebody that had nothing to do with 9/11, but was an objective that bush must\'ve thought was an easy target, and someone to make an example out of...5 years later and now this war that was suppossed to be a walk in the park is a foregin policy nightmare for the u.s. and with all of the country\'s(u.s. allies) practically gone, we\'re wingin\' this by ourselves,....whelp bush stated in the very beginning that he would go it alone, and i guess he finally got his wish...
It\'s all water under the bridge now, but i know that this war is putting a strangle hold on the economy...banks are folding,..people are losin\' jobs and nobody is gettin\' raises on a yearly basis anymore,..s**t is really scary out there...i just don\'t see somewhat of a recovery until we stop spending and borrowing millions to fund this war,..it\'ll be a start when we get out of iraq....
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politics is so confusing and complex for me to even grasp.
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politics is so confusing and complex for me to even grasp.
the whole system is such a cluster fuck, most of america (including me) is the same. hence why its so hard to decide who to vote for, and why its so easy for people to get swayed from one candidate to another..and usually end up hating either one when theyre in office.
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speaking of system, what do you guys think of our school system? do you think we need to modernize it a bit? Do you guys think grades are that important? Does grades really that has that much impact on our jobs?
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our school system\'s a joke. In cali, our governor says our children are our future, yet we had around 1500 teachers lose their jobs in san diego because of budget cuts. Now these public schools, who like 25 people classrooms, are going to have a bunch more students in each class to make up for it.
not to mention schools in the poorer neighborhoods have insanely out of date books. But if we\'re 50 bazillion dollars in debt (like clips was referring to), how can we properly fund our education system?
and yea, grades matter..its obvious the better you do in school, the farther you get in college, the better starting salary you get on average. of course there\'s exceptions to the rule. The only thing overtaking the importance of grades is the importance of interpersonal skills, but even then I think you need above a 3.0 GPA to excel. I have the 3.0, but my people skills suck,haha..i have more time to dick around though
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speaking of requiring 3 GPA or higher. What if this person is good at one subject but bad at the rest. Say he have A on Arts, but Ds on the rest of the subject? what do you think? That means he probably doesn\'t get the 3 GPA. But he\'s really good at one subject. So does grade is really that mportant to him since he struggles with the other subjects?
Or how about say he\'s really good at a like a couple subjects, like science, and math, but the rest he suck at. Do you guys think it\'s necessary for every one to be good at every subjects?
How about he is good at physical education and sports, but he is not good at the rest of other subjects. Can he still succeed in life? obviously, the other subjects doesn\'t interest him...
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that\'s why you major in whatever your good at. There\'s GE\'s that everyone has to take, but theyre all passable..can even look at ratemyprofessor to find easy ones in the subjects you really suck at. If you can\'t pass the GE\'s, or sit in class, then you dont go to college. And most people manage whether they go to college or not.
plus the whole arguement of "success" being arbitrary. For someone into art, success is usually doing something they like to do, science and math is usually the same and they find it challenging in a good way, business is based on money, etc etc.
Can\'t really talk for people that decide to skip college since most people i know went, but there\'s definitly a huge immediate loss to going to college that some people can\'t afford..if thats the case, from what i\'ve seen, theyre usually on an extremely limited budget for a loong time
(paul hijacked the thread btw..not me :D )
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Well,..whoever the next prez is,..the problems that we have now will not be solved within the next 4 years,..it\'s going to take alot of work for the u.s. to see a surplus in the budget, fix the housing mess, and repair the economy, but with the war taking a huge chunk out of the u.s. finances(we\'re even borrowing money from china) i don\'t see a chance at recovery at all.....one thing is certain tho....i don\'t see how the u.s. can maintain spending millions on iraq every month for the next 5 - 10 ten years....Bush is acting like this war doesn\'t affect the economy...it does..and if the u.s. congress doesn\'t send him a bill that has money for the war, he vetos it...:rolleyes:
It\'s like he doesn\'t care what the country is going through, you\'d just better make sure you have money to support the war....Bush is going to leave a dark legacy behind when we look back at his eight years in office...somer people say he had it rough since 9/11....i don\'t think so,....i agreed with us going into afghanastan(spel).....but iraq?...even i knew that was a wrong decision from the very beginning,...he was really just focused on invading iraq,..even when n.korea at the time was poppin s**t like..."we will bring death to america"...bush & co. just totally ignored those threats and focused on somebody that had nothing to do with 9/11, but was an objective that bush must\'ve thought was an easy target, and someone to make an example out of...5 years later and now this war that was suppossed to be a walk in the park is a foregin policy nightmare for the u.s. and with all of the country\'s(u.s. allies) practically gone, we\'re wingin\' this by ourselves,....whelp bush stated in the very beginning that he would go it alone, and i guess he finally got his wish...
It\'s all water under the bridge now, but i know that this war is putting a strangle hold on the economy...banks are folding,..people are losin\' jobs and nobody is gettin\' raises on a yearly basis anymore,..s**t is really scary out there...i just don\'t see somewhat of a recovery until we stop spending and borrowing millions to fund this war,..it\'ll be a start when we get out of iraq....
Did you see the 60 minutes interview with the FBI agent that interrogated Saddam? He asked about WMDs and the insurgency and Saddam basically stated that he had WMDs but destroyed them when the UN inspectors came. He said he kept the charade up that he had them because he was afraid if Iran knew he didn\'t have anything that they would have invaded. Pretty much a bluff so he had some type of bargaining chip. Saddam also knew the insurgency was going to happen. He knew what we were about to face. I recommend youtubing it because its really good. His bluff must have been so good our "top-notch" CIA believed it as well as our president.
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that\'s why you major in whatever your good at. There\'s GE\'s that everyone has to take, but theyre all passable..can even look at ratemyprofessor to find easy ones in the subjects you really suck at. If you can\'t pass the GE\'s, or sit in class, then you dont go to college. And most people manage whether they go to college or not.
plus the whole arguement of "success" being arbitrary. For someone into art, success is usually doing something they like to do, science and math is usually the same and they find it challenging in a good way, business is based on money, etc etc.
Can\'t really talk for people that decide to skip college since most people i know went, but there\'s definitly a huge immediate loss to going to college that some people can\'t afford..if thats the case, from what i\'ve seen, theyre usually on an extremely limited budget for a loong time
(paul hijacked the thread btw..not me :D )
Agreed. I major in two things I\'m good at. I\'m a radio/tv/film major but doing the emphasis on production in tv and film so I can be a cinematographer or videographer maybe doing some editing. I\'ll get a chance to do it all so I\'ll have good career training. My other major is basically to improve my communication skills because my communications and people skills were lacking. Because of it, I am a hell of a lot better at communicating with people which will serve me well within my career. My prospective employers will be pretty impressed (at least that\'s the plan) as well as if I pass my honors concentration. As long as I keep the path I am (which I actually recessed a bit this semester *sigh*) I\'m hoping to have a good head start at graduation.
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Agreed. I major in two things I\'m good at. I\'m a radio/tv/film major but doing the emphasis on production in tv and film so I can be a cinematographer or videographer maybe doing some editing. I\'ll get a chance to do it all so I\'ll have good career training. My other major is basically to improve my communication skills because my communications and people skills were lacking. Because of it, I am a hell of a lot better at communicating with people which will serve me well within my career. My prospective employers will be pretty impressed (at least that\'s the plan) as well as if I pass my honors concentration. As long as I keep the path I am (which I actually recessed a bit this semester *sigh*) I\'m hoping to have a good head start at graduation.
i wish i liked something that could be a career,lol. Im just doing business management because it was the only broad thing i could use, since i looked through the majors 20 times and found nothing interesting.
but i am doing business stats this semester and doing well/liking it, so maybe there\'s some hope itll click. Main thing stopping me is im a kick ass indian, but a bad chief, so business management doesnt really cator to what im good at. Managing people i definitly need to get better, but as for having a bunch of numbers and pieceing it all together to make a decision i think ill be fine at.
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i wish i liked something that could be a career,lol. Im just doing business management because it was the only broad thing i could use, since i looked through the majors 20 times and found nothing interesting.
but i am doing business stats this semester and doing well/liking it, so maybe there\'s some hope itll click. Main thing stopping me is im a kick ass indian, but a bad chief, so business management doesnt really cator to what im good at. Managing people i definitly need to get better, but as for having a bunch of numbers and pieceing it all together to make a decision i think ill be fine at.
Take an organizational communication course if you can. It will teach you about organizations such as business. You may gain some insight to how people communicate within an organization and can make your own management style.
I\'m lucky my college offered something I was interested in. I\'ve always liked photography and growing up, I used to mess around with our camcorder making home movies and stuff. Just kind of natural I want to work a camera. What I want to do I don\'t know. I just know I want to be in the field. I\'d like to do videography for shows like Dirty Jobs, Deadliest Catch or try my hand at nature documentaries and stuff or film movies or tv shows. I\'d like to be a director of photography some day. But we\'ll see.
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Damn you Paul!!!...:mad:....but it\'s good hear you guys doin\' yer thing,..yea word up,..get that money son!...yo, represent for the cream...tru dat,..chea,...keep it hood pimpin\'.....hmmm....maybe i need to take a communications and english major?..:D...seriously guys keep up the good work,...i myself didn\'t go to college, not because i couldn\'t,..i just knew it wasn\'t for me...so i ended up going to a technical school for computers and right after i finished training in that particular school things just fell into place after that..
The last place i worked for before i moved to georgia was a major insurance co and i worked for them for 16 years straight outta highschool....and while working in their data center they actually paid for classes that we wanted to take,..which at the time was alot of excell, access, and mainframe and operating system classes,...now that i\'m working for Coke,...i\'m already takin\' Linux and Unix refresher classes for free, and i\'m already lined up to take a networking class when that\'s over,....it\'s just one of the advantages of workin\' for a big company as it seems they want their employees to stay on top of the latest tech,...it also buffs up my resume a bit...
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I wish WB would pay for my college :(
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Agreed. I major in two things I\'m good at. I\'m a radio/tv/film major but doing the emphasis on production in tv and film so I can be a cinematographer or videographer maybe doing some editing. I\'ll get a chance to do it all so I\'ll have good career training. My other major is basically to improve my communication skills because my communications and people skills were lacking. Because of it, I am a hell of a lot better at communicating with people which will serve me well within my career. My prospective employers will be pretty impressed (at least that\'s the plan) as well as if I pass my honors concentration. As long as I keep the path I am (which I actually recessed a bit this semester *sigh*) I\'m hoping to have a good head start at graduation.
Not a single person has ever asked me where I went to school or how I did.
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that means grades aren\'t really that important.
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that means grades aren\'t really that important.
that means there isnt one, right answer. only one that matters is whatever works for you
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but i think some parents can be really hard on their children on school education. That they want their kids to have really good grades on all subjects, and i think that can be unnecessary when they can get a D and pass that subject that they aren\'t interested in.
As they grow older, i think parents should let the kids decide what they want to major in and don\'t focus so much on the grades, especially on all subjects. There are other more important things in life than just education...
And I believe that\'s the case with most Asian parents. They put so much pressure on the kids and are too demanding on education that it\'s really crazy. Asians are more stubborn to change for the better, especially older generations.
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that means grades aren\'t really that important.
In my industry it\'s all about who you know first. Ability second.
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In my industry it\'s all about who you know first. Ability second.
I think in most careers it is about who you know first. Even getting your foot in the door - it is all about who you know.
My employer didn\'t care what major I was in school - only if I had a degree. Unless you go into medicine, law or some other specialized area I don\'t really think what kind of degree you have means anything.
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I\'d rather have Kermit the motherfucking Frog over McCain.
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lol. this world is so weird.
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Not a single person has ever asked me where I went to school or how I did.
Say Vid. Where did you go to school and how did you do?
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UF - in my college I did very well. First two years of shit though I did terrible. Sociology, marriage in the family, bullshit like that. But who cares?
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Yeah. Sociology is a bitch.
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HIJACK
It took me about 7 years to graduate, and all I got was a bachelor\'s lol pwnt
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6 years for my degree. Still have another 2 to go :(