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Title: Camera issues
Post by: PS2_-'_'-_PS2 on March 26, 2008, 01:05:03 PM
Hey hey,

Thinking about getting this camera:

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Samsung-L83t-1

Look ok?

And what does "guaranteed" mean? i.e....

"External Memory(Optional): MMCplus(up to 2GB guaranteed) SD/SDHC (up to 4GB guaranteed)"
Title: Camera issues
Post by: Paul2 on March 26, 2008, 01:26:10 PM
personally, i think samsung is just new to the electronics market, so their cameras aren\'t as good as other brands that has been fine tuning and improving the quality of the lens and image sensors for many decades longer than the Samsung has.

For similiar price, you can get other brand like Canon, Nikon, or Sony for better len, image sensor, thus better image overall.
Title: Camera issues
Post by: Jar O Pickles on March 26, 2008, 01:50:11 PM
some devices like cameras and phones cannot recognize full capacity of memory cards. so they\'re saying if you put in a 8GB sd card they guarantee it will recognize 4GB, if you put in a 4GB sd card it will see all 4 GB
Title: Camera issues
Post by: Luke on March 26, 2008, 02:11:21 PM
Kinda like how I got 4gigs of RAM in my computer, but windows can only see 3.5gigs.



Jerks.
Title: Camera issues
Post by: Titan on March 26, 2008, 05:00:41 PM
This is a good rule of thumb I tell people looking for a good digital camera. Don\'t buy a camera from a company that is famous for TVs or phones or from companies that make film. Buy a camera from a company that has been making cameras for decades. Canon, Pentax, Nikon, Olympus would be good choices for a digital because they have been in the racket forever. Canon and Nikon are very well known for their quality cameras, especially the SLRs and are constantly competing and trying to outdo each other. I\'m not impressed with Fuji, Kodak, Samsung, HP. Sony I guess is ok but I never liked them. They\'re a bit queer and based on looks instead of functionality. They also have a big boner for their own memory cards which has a lot of compatibility issues when you get prints made. Canons are very versatile and do a lot. I haven\'t had the chance to play with Nikon, Olympus or Pentax but they are known for making good quality cameras. Sony may be picking up speed because they bought Konica-Minolta\'s camera branch so they have that experience now.

You want a camera with an optical zoom. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT buy a camera that has only a digital zoom or prides itself on its digital zoom. All digital zooms do is crop into the image and they do a horrible job with it. The pictures are extremely grainy and noisy and just look horrible, especially if they aren\'t stable. I keep this feature on my camera shut off unless I can get a very stable shot and I don\'t go into the digital zoom more than 2x. If you\'re going to do that, just crop on a computer. Its more precise to do it that way.
Title: Camera issues
Post by: Paul2 on March 26, 2008, 06:05:05 PM
Sony and panasonic had also been in the camera industry for decades too beside Canon, and Nikon.  Well the Video camera industry that is.  So, when it comes to digital cameras, both sony and panasonic had really good picture quality for their cameras.

Sure, in some cases, Canon and Nikon might beat their quality a bit.  But dollar for dollar, they are very close in overall performance.  That you can\'t go wrong with any of them.  It comes down on what you are looking for specifically.

Of course, doesn\'t matter if it\'s a camcorder or it\'s a camera, optical zoom is the way to go for full resolution.  digital zoom just zoom in the resolution of the picture.

Say if the picture has 5 megapixels, zooming in will reduce the number of pixels, but you get bigger area picture that you zoomed in.  Zooming in too much will reduce the 5 megapixels to say like 1 megapixels.  And you might notice some pixelation because of the digital zooming blow up the pixels more.  With no good scaler, you get pixelation.  So, like titan said, its better that it\'s done on the computer than on the camera where the software editing might have better scaling for cropping and blowing up images or shrinking images for that matter.
Title: Camera issues
Post by: videoholic on March 28, 2008, 05:02:24 AM
Agree on the digital zoom thing.  You can do better with photoshop.
Title: Camera issues
Post by: Titan on March 28, 2008, 10:11:14 AM
photoshop > digital zoom
Title: Camera issues
Post by: Paul2 on March 28, 2008, 12:08:12 PM
and optical zoom > digital zoom


when editing it on the computer and if cropping images is necessary for certain picture, then leave the remaining resolution intact rather blowing up the cropped picture to fill up the original resolution.

Say, if the original image has 5 megapixels, cropping off the picture means it will cropped off the pixels or resolution.  Depends on how much you cropped off.  And the remaining picture that is left will have the remaining pixels, say like 1 megapixels.

The biggest suggestion here is to leave the 1 megapixels as is and save it as that amount of pixels, instead of upscaling it to fill up the original 5 megapixels.  Because no matter how good the upscaling is, it won\'t look perfect as the original native resolution.

But, upscaling or downscaling being done from great softwares like photoshop is still a lot better than digital zoom done from the camera.