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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: clips on May 01, 2008, 04:35:37 AM
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You think that maybe in about 15-20 years Bush will finally admit that invading Iraq was a mistake?.....look at that stupid grin on his face....little did he know that this little war of his was about to take a turn for the worse....in american lives and billions in american tax money....
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16102772/detail.html
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Funny you bring this up on May Day...
Anyway, lets talk about something fun like Reverend Wright!
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^^^^First Obama gives an honest speech on race relations.....and you white folk weren\'t satisfied with that...then he finally distances himself from him with another speech just a few days ago and you white folk still aren\'t satisfied....it\'s bulls**t... why does he have to jump thru so many hoops just to please you people? If people were smart, they would see that Obama has no control over what wright says,...but i guess certain white folk will just continue to connect Obama with wright...:rolleyes:
Again it\'s amazing how the media keeps this thing goin\'...Obama doesn\'t stand for anything wright has stated and various white anchors and analysts continue to connect him with it....and why are we still having this talk of "is america ready for a black president?"...if people have to ask that question, then america isn\'t ready...sheeit like i stated before,...when there were only white candidates goin\' for the presidency you didn\'t hear black folks say"i\'m not votin\' cause it\'s all white folk in there"...nope they went out and voted for that "white candidate".....
Obama gave an honest speech on race awhile ago and if some white folk are still afraid of that speech then fuck\'em.....i was watching that debate on abc that came on a few weeks back,..and afterwards, an older white lady was interviewed and the question was...who are you voting for...she stated.."well i\'m voting for hillary,but if she doesn\'t get in i\'m votin\' for McCain"....:rolleyes:...
So if a white woman doesn\'t get in the white house some white folk are gonna go and vote for Mccain cause he\'s white?......like i stated before some white folk would rather put a white woman in the white house "First"...before any black man or woman....I understand obama wants the white vote, but i don\'t feel he needs to sell his soul to do it... if white folk are too dumb to see that just because he knows wright, doesn\'t mean he shares his views....and the very fact that he basically disowned him and some white folks still aren\'t satisfied, just states to me that they were probably racist from the jump or just really incredibly stupid to comprehend the fact that Obama is not connected to this man and cannot control was comes outta his mouth...
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why does he have to jump thru so many hoops just to please you people?
You people? WTF? You mean us "typical white people".
Obama lies. He said the guy was his spiritual mentor and he could not disown him, then he says he isn\'t his mentor and he disowns him. Obama dedicated a BOOK to him and you talk about white people being "dumb"? Open your eyes.
Since you are bringing up race, what about the fact that 97 percent of black males support Obama... I am sure race has nothing to do with that right?
I think there was one thing that was true in what Wright said... in that Obama is saying what he is saying because of politics. Let\'s just say this if Obama doesn\'t get the white vote he will lose badly.
For Obama being the great uniter and bringing people together I find this hilarious. Obama may win the nomination, but he will lose the general election. All thanks to Wright, Ayers and Rezko. It isn\'t about the color of his skin, but his ideology. Don\'t try and tell me he didn\'t know anything about Wright\'s disgusting opinions for 20 years. Only a blind fool would believe that. As the saying goes - lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.
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Voting for Obama means you\'re a racist.
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*cough John Hagee cough*
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*cough John Hagee cough*
Not even close. Does McCain even attend his church? Did McCain write a book dedicated to one of his sermons. Did Hagee marry McCain and his wife, baptize his children... I think you get the point. McCain has never subscribed to Hagee\'s lunatic rhetoric and said so. Needless to say he didn\'t use the weak excuse **cough luckee** that he was taken out of "context" by "10 seconds of Youtube clips".
Thanks for playing though.
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He certainly doesn\'t mind having his endorsement though. At least Obama is trying to distance himself from the pastor. McCain will take his votes anyway he can get them.
On a side note: I can\'t take anything you say seriously anyway, not after you Muslim hate speech. So go ahead, try to demonize Obama all you want, the only person you\'re convincing is yourself.
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Wright is irrelevant.
Hagee is irrelevant.
I couldn\'t care less about either one of them, and I do not blame either candidate for what those two lunatics say.
I guess I\'m just rational like that.
Giga, maybe you should examine your own rationality.
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Wright is irrelevant.
Hagee is irrelevant.
I couldn\'t care less about either one of them, and I do not blame either candidate for what those two lunatics say.
I guess I\'m just rational like that.
Giga, maybe you should examine your own rationality.
LOL Have fun living in your alternate reality.
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Wright is irrelevant.
Hagee is irrelevant.
I couldn\'t care less about either one of them, and I do not blame either candidate for what those two lunatics say.
I guess I\'m just rational like that.
Giga, maybe you should examine your own rationality.
Finally somebody who understands, and has a mind of their own to see thru the brainwashing of the media....people like to grandstand at the price of hurting others....wright is one of \'em...now i will say that some of what he say is true regarding race, but alot of it sounds like he wants to seperate folk and that\'s not what obama is about....and what i saw of wright in these past few days, it just seems like he wants his 15 minutes of fame...
Since you are bringing up race, what about the fact that 97 percent of black males support Obama... I am sure race has nothing to do with that right?
Oh please....so i guess when Al Sharpton and that other afri american woman who ran few years back got most of the black vote too right?...wrong since all of the candidates were pretty weak, i think you would find that most probably voted for Kerry in that year, even with Al Sharpton and that other black woman in there....but even in that year you didn\'t hear the media say "is america ready for a black prez?"
It only happened with Obama and the year that Jessie Jackson ran that the media has made such a fuss,...and why ask that question anyway?..you wanna know why?...it\'s because it goes back to slavery,..it goes back to how black folk were treated unfairly in the 40\',50\'s and 60\'s.....and that\'s a question that the white media is really asking "white america"....because black folk have been votin\' for white candidates for years with no problem....but you get a real legit black candidate in there and now all of a sudden white america pauses and gets a bit nervous and asks that stupid question....Obama isn\'t keepin\' the race card thing goin\', the white media is....
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Finally somebody who understands, and has a mind of their own to see thru the brainwashing of the media....people like to grandstand at the price of hurting others....wright is one of \'em...now i will say that some of what he say is true regarding race, but alot of it sounds like he wants to seperate folk and that\'s not what obama is about....and what i saw of wright in these past few days, it just seems like he wants his 15 minutes of fame...
Oh please....so i guess when Al Sharpton and that other afri american woman who ran few years back got most of the black vote too right?...wrong since all of the candidates were pretty weak, i think you would find that most probably voted for Kerry in that year, even with Al Sharpton and that other black woman in there....but even in that year you didn\'t hear the media say "is america ready for a black prez?"
It only happened with Obama and the year that Jessie Jackson ran that the media has made such a fuss,...and why ask that question anyway?..you wanna know why?...it\'s because it goes back to slavery,..it goes back to how black folk were treated unfairly in the 40\',50\'s and 60\'s.....and that\'s a question that the white media is really asking "white america"....because black folk have been votin\' for white candidates for years with no problem....but you get a real legit black candidate in there and now all of a sudden white america pauses and gets a bit nervous and asks that stupid question....Obama isn\'t keepin\' the race card thing goin\', the white media is....
What a load of shit. It\'s being driven by the fact that so many, including plenty of folks inside the "black community", are still trying so desperately to defend the indefensible. If all Americans (including 100% of the so-called "black community") had instantly condemned Wright\'s hatred and bigotry in unison, it would have had the effect Obama\'s sycophants have been desperately trying to produce artificially: This whole thing would have faded away a long time ago. But as long as there are still people referring to Wright as a "warrior", and cheering and applauding his hatred and bigotry, shouting "Amen", etc etc etc.....and there are still people trying so desperately to defend Obama\'s 20-year close association with Wright, pretending it somehow "doesn\'t" reflect badly on Obama\'s judgement, character, integrity, etc etc etc.....it won\'t be going away anytime soon. So it\'s (large portions of) the "black community" itself which is continuing to drive this issue.
BTW - I added the "large portions of" comment in parentheses because I don\'t believe for one second that all (or even "most") members of the so-called "black community" are racist enough to defend Wright\'s hatred and bigotry, shout "Amen" when he publicly spews it, refer to him as some kind of "warrior", etc.
What should be repulsive to all Americans is the notion that there is anybody, black, white or purple, who considers Wright\'s hatred and bigotry "acceptable".
Exactly why this issue isn\'t going away anytime soon, despite the Obama fan-club\'s desperate efforts to sweep it under the rug.
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:jacked:
Mission accomplished indeed! Thread got a bit off topic, eh?
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Thread got a bit off topic, eh?
You can thank Giga for that. He\'s the one who is obsessed with Rev. Wright. Though actually it would be more accurate to say "he\'s obsessed with convincing us to be obsessed with Rev. Wright."
I think he has not succeeded.
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What a load of shit. It\'s being driven by the fact that so many, including plenty of folks inside the "black community", are still trying so desperately to defend the indefensible. If all Americans (including 100% of the so-called "black community") had instantly condemned Wright\'s hatred and bigotry in unison, it would have had the effect Obama\'s sycophants have been desperately trying to produce artificially: This whole thing would have faded away a long time ago. But as long as there are still people referring to Wright as a "warrior", and cheering and applauding his hatred and bigotry, shouting "Amen", etc etc etc.....and there are still people trying so desperately to defend Obama\'s 20-year close association with Wright, pretending it somehow "doesn\'t" reflect badly on Obama\'s judgement, character, integrity, etc etc etc.....it won\'t be going away anytime soon. So it\'s (large portions of) the "black community" itself which is continuing to drive this issue.
BTW - I added the "large portions of" comment in parentheses because I don\'t believe for one second that all (or even "most") members of the so-called "black community" are racist enough to defend Wright\'s hatred and bigotry, shout "Amen" when he publicly spews it, refer to him as some kind of "warrior", etc.
What should be repulsive to all Americans is the notion that there is anybody, black, white or purple, who considers Wright\'s hatred and bigotry "acceptable".
Exactly why this issue isn\'t going away anytime soon, despite the Obama fan-club\'s desperate efforts to sweep it under the rug.
I\'m not defending wright but you do know when he stated "god damn america" and stating that america brought 911 to itself, that he was quoting some other "white guy"....watch the whole clip...because i was highly upset when i saw just that small snippet,...but when i saw the whole clip, he clearly stated that he was quoting somebody else,.....and what he said are some things that i\'ve stated all along and that was that the u.s, policies overseas do indeed anger alot of people over there....does it make 9/11 right?...no but our policies are a huge reason why it happened...
But overall you guys keep connecting him to Obama,...and now you\'re sayin.."he disowned him but it\'s too late"...did obama say those things that wright stated?....nope...but some of ya\'ll still persist...meh this is bulls**t why should i try to convince you when you\'re like the rest of the sheep out there that has already has there mind made up?....if you don\'t agree with his plans for america?... fine.....but not to vote for him or like him even after he gave an honest speech and then gave another on top of wrights grandstanding?....
"wright even stated that he wanted to be vice president jokingly".
But some of you white folk will take that and say.."see he\'s still down with obama he wants to be vice president"...:rolleyes:....it\'s just a cop-out for your true racist feelings down deep,....cause some of ya\'ll are acting like obama said some of the things that wright said....as a matter of fact i think you guys are convinced of it...but if obama doesn\'t make it then so be it,...and i\'ll just vote for hillary,..since their views on healthcare and other issues are almost the same,...and i don\'t have a problem with votin\' for somebody that\'s white....
It\'s just like stating to the world that..."well since bush invaded iraq then i guess ALL AMERICANS felt it was the right decision to go into iraq since he\'s our president".....nope president bush decided to do that s**t on his own...i didn\'t agree with any of it,..what\'s worse is bush decision is costing us american lives and money,....but i iguess some of you white folk feel that wright is more important than what is going on with the country...no wonder folks outside this country thinks that americans are stupid,....some of you guys still haven\'t gotten over your racist ways and are more concerned with not putting a black person in the white house than you are with the housing crisis, the economy and other issues..
If obama can help fix the country then give him a chance to do it, THAT is what is important,.. not this circus that the media keeps connecting obama to wright.
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If all Americans (including 100% of the so-called "black community") had instantly condemned Wright\'s hatred and bigotry ... This whole thing would have faded away a long time ago.
Actually, it would\'ve faded away a long time ago had Obama\'s political opponents not decided that repeatedly aligning the two would create a negative image in people\'s minds and make their own politicians look better by contrast.
But, the message hasn\'t been lost on me. I will make sure not to vote for Rev. Wright. He would be a terrible president.
it\'s just a cop-out for your true racist feelings down deep
Also, I think Obama is black in the way that Tiger Woods is black. Like, that country club golfer kind of black. Almost an off-white, really. ... Racism is silly. At least we can all agree that a WOMAN would suck, though, MIRITE?
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The only thing Giga cares about is finding and scraping up anything that could possibly make the democratic front runner look bad, no matter how pointless and stupid it might be. Then he\'s going to blow it out of proportion and claim false outrage at whatever it is, and proclaim that it will bring about the end of our nation if anyone votes for that candidate.
I\'m going to give Mr. Giga the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he does this NOT because of Obama\'s skin color, but because of his own stubborn economic ideology. He used to post all kinds of crazy bullshit about Al Gore and John Kerry, so I don\'t think this has anything to do with racism.
Yes, I think the ONLY issue Giga cares about is his belief that a democrat in the white house is going to ruin our economy. As if Bush hasn\'t excelled at making that happen in the last 7 years. The No.1 issue for all Republicans and necons is always Money. Everything else is distraction and deception.
All this stuff about Rev. Wright is just a means to an end for Giga. He doesn\'t really care about it because he would never vote for Obama anyway. He\'s simply trying to convince us that we shouldn\'t vote for Obama.
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It\'s just like stating to the world that..."well since bush invaded iraq then i guess ALL AMERICANS felt it was the right decision to go into iraq since he\'s our president".....nope president bush decided to do that s**t on his own...
The bullshit meter is going to break with all the nonsense you keep posting.
In a January 2003 CBS poll, 64% of Americans approved of military action against Iraq.
H J RES 114 YEA-AND-NAY 10-OCT-2002 3:05 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: To Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
Yea - 296
Nay - 133
Yeah Bush did this all on his own. :rolleyes:
So what you are saying is that Obama is the best for this country and if us "typical white people" don\'t vote for him we are racist?
And Core, we can talk about Ayers instead if you like... Hell, Barry has a ton of skeletons in his closet to choose from. Yes, I hijacked the thread because this is yet another post by clips whining about Iraq and Bush.
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The only thing Giga cares about is finding and scraping up anything that could possibly make the democratic front runner look bad, no matter how pointless and stupid it might be. Then he\'s going to blow it out of proportion and claim false outrage at whatever it is, and proclaim that it will bring about the end of our nation if anyone votes for that candidate.
I\'m going to give Mr. Giga the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he does this NOT because of Obama\'s skin color, but because of his own stubborn economic ideology. He used to post all kinds of crazy bullshit about Al Gore and John Kerry, so I don\'t think this has anything to do with racism.
Yes, I think the ONLY issue Giga cares about is his belief that a democrat in the white house is going to ruin our economy. As if Bush hasn\'t excelled at making that happen in the last 7 years. The No.1 issue for all Republicans and necons is always Money. Everything else is distraction and deception.
All this stuff about Rev. Wright is just a means to an end for Giga. He doesn\'t really care about it because he would never vote for Obama anyway. He\'s simply trying to convince us that we shouldn\'t vote for Obama.
You know us bitter people cling to guns and religion right? As per Barry Hussein\'s own words.
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You know us bitter people cling to guns and religion right? As per Barry Hussein\'s own words.
Thanks for supporting my assertion.
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Bitter really is a good word to describe Giga.
He probably caught some Dem in bed with his wife and now hates them all.
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Yeah Bush did this all on his own. :rolleyes:
So what you are saying is that Obama is the best for this country and if us "typical white people" don\'t vote for him we are racist?
I wonder why i didn\'t buy his story then?...cause clearly i was against this invasion from the jump,....and he basically did wage a war on his own,...the only major country that helped him was britain....as far as the racial comment goes....i stated that if you don\'t vote for him because of his views in general then i can understand that, but constantly connecting him to wright is just plain dumb and it\'s just covering up some deep racial issues within yourself...why do i say racial?...because in connecting wright to obama you\'re tryin\' to say that Obama himself is racist..simple...i don\'t like the fact that some white folk are just ignoring anything Obama states in tryin\' to simply say he cannot control what comes outta his mouth,... again people are acting like Obama himself have said those things when clearly he hasn\'t...
After hearin\' that first speech, i felt like he gave an honest look at race in america,...and for people to just say" meh i don\'t care about that speech i\'m still connecting him to wright"....to me is really just an unfair reason not to like him , hey it\'s your right to feel that way, but to me it seems like that there\'s more goin\' on with the folk that feels this way...he didn\'t say "god damn america" and he didn\'t even call white folk out of their name,...but alot of you white folk are acting like he did...focus your anger and hatred at wright if you feel that way...
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I think the phrase "white folk" needs to be bandied about a little less frequently. ;)
As an aside: Who\'s going to win the Democratic nomination?
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I wonder why i didn\'t buy his story then?...cause clearly i was against this invasion from the jump,....and he basically did wage a war on his own,...the only major country that helped him was britain....as far as the racial comment goes....i stated that if you don\'t vote for him because of his views in general then i can understand that, but constantly connecting him to wright is just plain dumb and it\'s just covering up some deep racial issues within yourself...why do i say racial?...because in connecting wright to obama you\'re tryin\' to say that Obama himself is racist..simple...i don\'t like the fact that some white folk are just ignoring anything Obama states in tryin\' to simply say he cannot control what comes outta his mouth,... again people are acting like Obama himself have said those things when clearly he hasn\'t...
After hearin\' that first speech, i felt like he gave an honest look at race in america,...and for people to just say" meh i don\'t care about that speech i\'m still connecting him to wright"....to me is really just an unfair reason not to like him , hey it\'s your right to feel that way, but to me it seems like that there\'s more goin\' on with the folk that feels this way...he didn\'t say "god damn america" and he didn\'t even call white folk out of their name,...but alot of you white folk are acting like he did...focus your anger and hatred at wright if you feel that way...
No one will probably read this or they will discredit the source, but here is a great article on Wright and Black Liberation Theology and the white perspective. Not that you care clips because according to you anyone who focuses on Wright\'s connection to Obama is racist.
The Real Agenda of Black Liberation Theology
By Jeffrey Schmidt
Now, suddenly, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright is misunderstood. Suddenly, so-called black liberation theology is misunderstood.
Wright\'s successor at Trinity United Church of Christ, the Reverend Otis Moss III, won\'t bow to the wishes of "they" to shut up. It begs the question: "Who are they?" The larger white cultural? Or liberals and Democrats who see all this unfavorable publicity hurting the election chances of Barack Obama?
The sad truth is that neither the Reverend Wright nor black liberation theology is being misunderstood. Both, thanks to the candidacy of Barack Obama, are being exposed. God, in fact, works in mysterious ways. And unless it\'s the aforementioned liberals and Democrats who are trying to hush up Wright, Moss and others of their ilk, sensible Americans want to hear more, for knowledge is power, the power to combat hate.
And make no mistake, what Americans are hearing, they don\'t like. In the Rasmussen poll, 73% of voters find Wright\'s comments to be racially divisive. That\'s a broad cross section of voters, including 58% of black voters.
In an article in the Washington Post, unnamed ministers commented that black liberation theology "encourages a preacher to speak forcefully against the institutions of oppression..."
And what might these institutions be? They are not specified. But it is safe to say that they are not the welfare state or the Democratic Party. Given that black liberation theology is a product of the dreary leftist politics of the twentieth century, the very vehicles employed by the left to advance statism certainly can\'t be the culprits.
For the left, black liberation theology makes for close to a perfect faith. It is a political creed larded with religion. It serves not to reconcile and unite blacks with the larger cultural, but to keep them separate. Here, again, The Washington Post reports that "He [Wright] translated the Bible into lessons about...the misguided pursuit of ‘middle-classness.\'"
Not very Martin Luther King-ish. Further, all the kooky talk about the government infecting blacks with HIV is a fine example of how the left will promote a lie to nurture alienation and grievance. To listen to Wright -- more an apostle of the left than the Christian church -- the model for blacks is alienation, deep resentment, separation and grievance. All of which leads to militancy. Militancy is important. It\'s the sword dangled over the head of society. Either fork over more tax dollars, government services and patronage or else. And unlike the Reverend Moss and his kindred, I\'ll specify the "else." Civil unrest. Disruptions in cities. Riot in the streets.
Keeping blacks who fall into the orbit of a Reverend Wright at a near-boil is a card used by leftist agitators to serve their ends: they want bigger and more pervasive government -- and they want badly to run it.
If any further proof is needed that black liberation theology has nothing to do with the vision of Martin Luther King -- with reconciliation, brotherhood and universality -- the words of James H. Cone, on faculty at New York\'s Union Theological Seminary, may persuade. Cone, not incidentally, originated the movement known as black liberation theology. He said to The Washington Post:
"The Christian faith has been interpreted largely by those who enslaved black people, and by the people who segregated them."
No mention of the Civil War involving the sacrifices of tens of thousands of lives; no abolition or civil rights movements. No Abraham Lincoln. No Harriet Beecher Stowe. No white civil rights workers who risked and, in some instances, lost their lives crusading in the south to end segregation. And since the civil rights movement, society hasn\'t opened up; blacks have no better access to jobs and housing; no greater opportunities. The federal government, led by a white liberal, Lyndon Johnson, did not pour billions of dollars into welfare programs and education targeted at inner cities in an attempt to right old wrongs. And still does so. A black man, Barak Obama, on the threshold of winning his party\'s nomination for president, has in no way done so with the help of white voters in communities across the land.
In the closed world of Cone, Wright and Moss, Jefferson Davis and Bull Connor are alive and well. Black victimhood is the doing of white society, not the doing of angry black leaders and leftists, who see advantage and profit in keeping too many people in black communities captive.
Barack Obama knows all this, as a seventeen year congregant at Wright\'s church, and as a liberal community activist prior to his election to the Illinois Senate. That he feigns innocence, or that he professes forbearance for some of Wright\'s words because of the goodness of others, is not the line one expects from a post-racial politician. It is what is expected from a man whose career is steeped in racial politics, a politics that does great harm to the very people it purports to serve.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_real_agenda_of_black_liber.html
Deny it all you want... there is a connection and I wouldn\'t vote for him on this alone. He is not a uniter, and I personally am glad that the veil has been removed to show what really goes on in some black churches.
Trinity United is a racist church - Obama is still a member of said church and has been... I don\'t see how hard it is to connect the dots. Apparently people like Core have blinders on and see no evil where it truly exists.
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Y\'know how some white folks today say s**t like...hey"slavery happened waaay back then and why are you blaming me for it?....i had nothing to do with that?"...and when they do say that, i agree with them,....the same can be said for obama...obama AGAIN, is not responsible for what these people say or do...Has Obama acted in any way or fashion for you to really be like.."damn he\'s racist or i feel he\'s goin\' to try to put more legislation in place for black folks when he gets in the white house?"....i don\'t think so...
We\'ve already been over the fact that wright really has some issues goin\' on ...but again watch some his speeches,..and alot of what he states about race relations are indeed true,..whether you white folks like it or not,..BUT on the flip side of that, he\'s also said some things that was highly discriminatory towards white folks and to me no preacher has no business talking like that in any church...people come to hear the word of the bible,..not to hear such segregated and hateful talk....but that article has a bit of a liberal knock against it....and i don\'t really know what you\'re tryin\' to prove..i already know wright has deep anger in him regarding the way he sees race relations in america...I Feel Obama wants to move beyond that....
And if there are some black churches that feel this way or is racist as you say, then i\'m sure there are probably even more white churches that are the same way....see how that works?...Obama does not represent the church...and until he starts talkin\' like his preacher, i\'m going to continue to believe that he wants to truly unite people and to get this country back on track....
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU
BARACK OBAMA
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You think that maybe in about 15-20 years Bush will finally admit that invading Iraq was a mistake?.....look at that stupid grin on his face....little did he know that this little war of his was about to take a turn for the worse....in american lives and billions in american tax money....
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16102772/detail.html
I wouldnt rule out the possibility that he knew something like that was going to happen but did it anyways.
Some "individuals" gain a lot from extended wars. And this war isnt over yet.
Iraq could only be the first stimulus of an ongoing chain of wars in the middle east.
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Doesn\'t matter if it was a mistake or not. It doesn\'t matter if he will admit it or not. We\'re there, we\'re committed to it. Now we have to move forward and figure our way out of it. Hate to say it like that, but it\'s true.
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just hopefully we actually learn from it this time...i wasn\'t even alive for vietnam and i saw the similarities when everything starting going downhill after the resurgence.
part of me just wants to get the fuck out..the other part of me is like, what are all those deaths for if we pull out? and is it worth taking more deaths to justify those deaths? im leaning towards no, but it still sucks to see thousands die in vein. not to mention that we have to live with this for longer than when we just pull out..who knows which direction itll all go
anyway, after obama won big in one state and barely lost in the other its looking like he\'s going to win. i\'ll be voting for him as opposed to mccain. mccain seems like any other mediocre president..old stick in the mud that will just keep running the country the way it is with no progression. but because of that, people know what theyre going to get (even though theyll bitch about it) and he\'s more likely to win...main reason i think bush got his second term..we knew he wouldnt do anything crazy and we\'d keep fighting..didnt know what the hell to expect when kerry got in
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just hopefully we actually learn from it this time...i wasn\'t even alive for vietnam and i saw the similarities when everything starting going downhill after the resurgence.
part of me just wants to get the fuck out..the other part of me is like, what are all those deaths for if we pull out? and is it worth taking more deaths to justify those deaths? im leaning towards no, but it still sucks to see thousands die in vein. not to mention that we have to live with this for longer than when we just pull out..who knows which direction itll all go
anyway, after obama won big in one state and barely lost in the other its looking like he\'s going to win. i\'ll be voting for him as opposed to mccain. mccain seems like any other mediocre president..old stick in the mud that will just keep running the country the way it is with no progression. but because of that, people know what theyre going to get (even though theyll bitch about it) and he\'s more likely to win...main reason i think bush got his second term..we knew he wouldnt do anything crazy and we\'d keep fighting..didnt know what the hell to expect when kerry got in
Staying in war means that we will see even more die in vein because lets face it. In terms of your and my good this war is pointless. This war serves only purposes for the few.
This is not the only war we are going to see in the middle east.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vain
for viper and unic
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i like the spelling of vein more..its very progressive and powerful
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completely off topic, but I had a boss named Zein. Biggest bitch of a manager ever.
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I just didn\'t like the arrogance of the u.s. right before we invaded,...we basically just gave the other major powers of the world the finger,...and while i know the u.s. shouldn\'t let anybody tell us what to do, but i think when everybody is telling you not to invade, you need to step back and reflect on your decision,....then there was that big fallout with the french....even tho, China and Germany didn\'t agree with us it seems that France caught the most heat from us.....New York even went as far as to name french fries "freedom fries"...:rolleyes:...and they even took the statue of liberty off of their license plates...a gift that the french gave to us and is a major landmark for new york city to this day,...even then i heard people say..."take back your statue of liberty..we don\'t want it here"....I was angry about 911 just as much as the next guy, but our anger was directed at the wrong folk....
And it\'s a bit disturbing to see what the u.s. will do when other countries don\'t agree us,...of course it comes down to who\'s in charge,.but still the decisions bush made has put the u.s. in a financial meltdown for years to come....honestly how do you really expect the u.s. to function with us spending 12 billion dollars a month in iraq?....and the war may not be the sole cause of the poor u.s. economy, but it is a huge part of it....i just wasn\'t sold on this war from the jump...not once did i feel an urgency for us to go over there and throw out saddam...to wrap this up,..for me this is what i think bush saw..
-An opportunity to scare terrorists with a show of military might...*which backfired*
-An opportunity to have a solid foothold in the middleast with an ally in iraq.
-An opportunity to maybe get special deals or rates when it comes purchasing oil from the iraqi\'s...
It should be noted that shortly after the mission accomplished fiasco,...when the insurgents started heating things up,...bush went back to the u.n. to ask those same countries for help....and of course they rejected him,....we\'ll see how this war turns out, but this thing is far from over....
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Clips the aim was never to suppress terrorists. The war was directed towards the middle east regardless of who attacked or not. Fighting terrorists was an excuse.
Once the 911 happened, there was a consistent repetition of terrorists in the media until it became an obsession. After that, people could see terrorists attackers in any direction that the military and the government pointed to.
The government made a connection between Iraq and terrorists. This obsession about "terrorists" made people identify Saddam and his regime with the same kind of terrorists that you were told you were threatened from since 911. He was irrelevant. Weapons of Mass Destruction they told us. They were never there. Then they told us that the aim was to overthrown Saddam. Primary purpose to supposedly liberate Iraqis from his regime. As if the US government suddenly became humanitarians and was willing to sacrifice American lives and your taxes for the good of Iraqis without anything in return. As if the US never supported dictators before. Saddam was jailed and was ignored. Saddam became an insignificant no-one who was humiliated and executed at the backstage as if he was never a part of the picture.
War continues. Conflicts appear in their own homeland that never existed before. They are called "terrorists". In reality they do not differ from any previous form of civil war. But the word "terrorists" is being used all the time as if it is a unique occasion of "war on terror". It is though an internal imbalance in Iraq that was expected to happen if the US interfered and it happened just as everyone expected. It was done on purpose. The 911 incident gave the excuse.
So again. War on Terror against who? 911 terrorists? Al Qaeda? Bin Landen? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Iraqis? The same "message" repeated in 2001 due to the 911 is used for anything related to the middle east until today as if they were the same kind as the 911 terrorists. They are unrelated.
If the 911 wouldnt have happened most likely the US wouldnt have made a war in Iraq or report supposed threads from the middle east even if the situation was the same as it is today
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At least our politicians have been forthright and honest with us since the get go.