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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: BizioEE on May 12, 2008, 11:01:04 AM
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His name is Paul Fitzpatrick and he\'s written the world\'s first review of the game for the UK\'s Official PlayStation Magazine. And he very happily gave it a none-better 10/10 score.
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GamesRadar: First things first. This is the epic resolution to an epic saga and it comes on a Blu-ray disc. Just what sort of percentage of the playing time do the cut-scenes take up?
Paul Fitzpatrick: Hard to say. I didn\'t time the cut-scenes, but I completed MGS4 in just over 29 hours, and at a guess I\'d say it was two thirds playing to one third watching. But that is a guess…
GR: How long did you spend finishing MGS4 for the review? What was your play schedule like and how how complete a look at the game do you feel you got? Anything you would have liked to take some extra time over?
PF: 29 hours and six minutes was my exact play-through time, and I saw everything I felt I needed to see to really get the measure of the game. I\'d love to go back and play through with all the cool weapons and items unlocked of course. There are some beauties. Oh, and the play through didn\'t take in Metal Gear Online, which is being reviewed separately.
GR: The gameplay formula seems to have made the biggest single-game evolution we\'ve ever seen in the MGS series. Does it still feel like a Metal Gear game despite that? If so, how have Konami maintained that essence, and if not, how have things changed?
PF: It totally feels like Metal Gear. The faction dynamic isn\'t over-used and when it is available is only ever an option, supplementing stealth. It was a bit of classic Kojima misdirection to suggest that everything would be tied to that. The characters, themes and to a lesser extent, the core controls and abilities are where MGS really resides, and they have remained the same, even if what you do with them has altered.
GR: The game seems to be made of a wider spread of game styles and mechanics this time. Is it still as focused an overall experience as we expect from Metal Gear?
PF: Yes, for the reasons above. Emotionally, there is some dilution as there are so many individual stories to tie up and resolve, but from a gameplay perspective it\'s remarkably focused.
http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/news/metal-gear-solid-4-the-first-review-is-out/a-20080512143146234035/g-20051216153655522074
Can\'t wait.
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...well, playstation needed a winner desperately....
so take it with a grain of sugar.
still, it will be my reason to get a PS3 indeedyyyyyy :running:
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Wow..they even put sisko in there.."the thong song".....:p...j/k....i knew this game would get strong reviews,..it\'s a no-brainer,...i\'m definitely gonna get this...:fro:
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does it matter whoever written that review needs the name mention in the forum? what\'s up with paul?:confused::D
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what\'s up with paul?:confused::D
that is a question for the ages...
anyway, can\'t wait for june when its actually worth getting a ps3. I also heard theres a chance where you have flashbacks and play MGS1 (in ps3 graphics)
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Day one purchase
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New MGS4 Trailers :
http://kotaku.com/389818/new-new-new-mgs4-trailers
Pics :
http://metalgearsolid4.net/metal-gear-solid-4/mgs4-japanevent-1.jpg
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kind of regretting i never got into the series. I just sucked at it when the first one came out that i never bothered with any of the other games. I rented snake eater, but couldnt stand the camera through the first hour..especially when the thing killing me the most was an alligator.
anyway, ill read up on the story and everything before i get the bundle so i get whats going on
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There\'s only one swamp in the first hour of Snake Eater which actually contains an alligator... and it killed you the most? And because of the camera angle?
Anyways, the camera angle was improved in Substinance, and looks to be perfected in MGS4. So don\'t worry about that. Regardless; MGS4 looks to be the game to own irrespective of your experiences with the previous iterations of the series.
I\'ve pre-ordered the game in full. It\'s basically the only thing that I\'m looking forward to this generation. Replete with online play!~ Huzzah!
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kind of regretting i never got into the series. I just sucked at it when the first one came out that i never bothered with any of the other games. I rented snake eater, but couldnt stand the camera through the first hour..especially when the thing killing me the most was an alligator.
anyway, ill read up on the story and everything before i get the bundle so i get whats going on
The first act of snake eater pissed me the fuck off, almost to the point of putting it away for good. Luckily I\'m a stubborn bastard because the rest of the game really shined.
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The first act of snake eater pissed me the fuck off, almost to the point of putting it away for good. Luckily I\'m a stubborn bastard because the rest of the game really shined.
I couldn\'t agree more....thee only aspect of the game that sucked was the camera angle,...but i guess i\'ll re-purchase that bundle since it\'ll have substinance....because like you stated the rest of snake eater was really good...
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I have to find out one of these days why everyone in the MGS world walks in slow motion all the time
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American voice acting just can\'t keep up with fast staccato Japanese :running:
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MGS4 gets 10 also on PSM(Italy).
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its no doubt going to be a great game, but does his walking animation bug anyone else, especially when he\'s crouched? it always looks like hes sneak walking, but in a really gay way.
plus his constant wedgie bugs me
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its no doubt going to be a great game, but does his walking animation bug anyone else, especially when he\'s crouched? it always looks like hes sneak walking, but in a really gay way.
plus his constant wedgie bugs me
The run/walk/crouchwalk anims were awefully last gen in the preview builds....
fortunately they worked on it and it looks fairly solid now. Of course, there\'s no fancy motion blending or advanced animation techniques in here ; this is the aspect were Kojima was \'disappointed\' with in MGS4 development.
Anyway, Snake\'s sneaking looks like a primitive version of Splinter Cell Chaos Theory. That game was far beyond it\'s time.
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US Playstation Official Magazine - 5/5.
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Pre ordered! Cant wait!!
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DUTCH OPM review
Graphics: 18/20
Music/Sound: 20/20
Gameplay: 58/60
Overall: 96(same as gta4)
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Review
MGS4: 5 stars editors choice. written by Rob Smith
About the beasts Laughing Octopus,Raging Raven,Crying Wolf and Sceaming
Mantis provide unique challenges,and their backgound stories are invaraibly tragic and moving.
He said " I can guarantee that MGS4 will retain in my top ten (he\'s referring
to his alltime list of games)no matter which way the wind wind is blowing.
And I;m willing to guarantee that it\'ll be similarly revered by PS3 gamers the world over. Yes it\'s that special." MGS4 perfectly wraps up the story entrails
left swinging after all the previous games(and in doing so delivers perfectly pitched fan-service), it also has such an open gameplay delivery, and its presentation is so phenomenal,that any self-respecting PS3 owner should consider it their next purchase. The immediate stand out is the level of detail
in every scene. Whether it\'s the motion of soldiers reacting to the thud of bullets, the dust kicking up off trucks, or the jagged edges of buildings bearing the scars of urban warfare, this opening cinematic is sensational.
It\'s supported by positonal audio that refines the atmosphere with clinical precision. Pinch youself: This is in-engine gameplay, not video-and if the singular purpose is to grab you before you even pull the trigger in anger, congratulations, first misson accomplished. Noami Hunter is sensationally hot.
there are four difficulty levels a fifth opens after completing single player game the first time. 20 hours of gameplay all tracked by stats you can view at the conclusion of each mission. Mgs4 is one of the most significant game designs of all time: if you come to the game with no prior MGS knowledge,
you\'ll still uncover one of the most absorbing stories ever told in cutscene
vignettes, produced as brilliantly as the medium has ever witnessed. The didection acting displayed in each cutscene is quite simply outstanding. Wether it\'s the subtle twitch in Meryls lips or the unbuttoned shirt distracting every encounter with Naomi, every scene is compelling. It\'s true
that on occasion you could be watching,not playing for 30 minutes or more, a key gameplay device encourages you to remain focused on the job, hands on controller. The game remains stealth based the action quotient ramps up at time to spectacular levels, and MGS4 shines in each of these situations.
In eastern europe the architecture and gameplay moments packed into this
act will have you so convinced that you\'ll be callingover friends, keeping save games for do-overs, and making sure everyone witnesses the staggering visuals. While the sectacle of viewing each location is awe-inspiring, it\'s the sneak and action scenes that you\'ll remember. He ends by
saying "Ive finished it twice now, and I highly suyspect more playthroughs lie in my future. That, right there is the hallmark of a game deserving instant recognition on any all-time top 10 list.
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^ Who\'s Rob Smith?
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Review
MGS4: 5 stars editors choice. written by Rob Smith
Wy do I have to wait to play it?
Looks like an MGS fan\'s dream come true!!
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Wy do I have to wait to play it?
Looks like an MGS fan\'s dream come true!!
yep! I can\'t wait :)
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Btw I love the PMC commercials!! They have been created without any mention of MGS4, as if they are actual commercials of actual private companies advertising their product. Each with a different focus and different style according to the country they are coming from and their targeted market. They are so professionally made that they can almost convince that they are serious commercials about a real company with real products. If we lived in a war economy this is how probably things could have been.
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This may be the first MGS that I won\'t get on launch day :( I got 2 and 3 on launch and had it beaten within a week.
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completed the storyline, you mean.
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Someone here play it and let me know if the story is still sleep inducing, before I invest any time or money into this.
Thanks!
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Someone here play it and let me know if the story is still sleep inducing, before I invest any time or money into this.
Thanks!
No prob. Someone will inform you if it is not meant for you.
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Well, one thing\'s for sure : it\'ll be the storyline in MGS4 which will keep alot of MGS fans awake playing late into the night, not sleeping. Good try though to claim it\'ll be the ultimate anti insomnia medicine.
A pretty good overarching analysis at GT Bonusround : http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround.php?ep=22&pt=1 (http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround.php?ep=22&pt=1)
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Please don\'t tell me you actually think MGS has a strong storyline.
It\'s a bunch of nonsense from a wanna be director. The game play may be strong, but the storyline most certainly is not.
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Regardless of opinion on the storyline ; it\'s in most cases, exactly that, which keeps many MGS fans coming back for more.
Let\'s take tv soap opera\'s for example or Danielle Steel\'s tv movie versions ; i hate \' em, but still, many become devoted/addicted fans.
Personally, i think the main messages behind the MGS storyline are very good ones, although i do find the cinemantic direction in MGS2 was somewhat flawed. If you think it\'s all nonsense ( direction or content ? ), then state some proper arguments instead of playing it on Kojima\'s person.
Gameplay wise, MGS3 was just a small taste of MGS gameplay evolution in MGS4 ; as a stealthgame fan who likes to work through the game without kills, only knock outs & pure evasion, MGS4 will be the game to make me buy a PS3.
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Physics.
Vampires.
Robots.
Clones.
All in one story.
Honestly - do I need to make a proper argument?
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Ok, you like comic books : Batman etc.
Not judging nor direct comparing these different media, but isn\'t it often in such comic books exactly a mix of extroadinary elements which fascinates the fans ?
Or... how\'s HL2\'s sci fi mix equally warped yet acclaimed across the board ... just like MGS...
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pffft, everyone knows comic book heroes are real and piss compelling storylines.
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I\'ll definitely be getting this one...metal gear solid 2 left so many questions unanswered...hopefully we\'ll unravel the mystery of the patriots,...and we\'ll see if snake actually got ugla\'s baby back...*or whatever her name is*
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Physics.
Vampires.
Robots.
Clones.
All in one story.
Honestly - do I need to make a proper argument?
Try
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To each their own.
I fall under the category that thinks MGS has one of the most pathetic story lines of any game, ever. And that is only highlighted by the fact that Kojima is a failed director and has problems controlling his vision. He really needs someone else to step in and edit his stuff.
As for the comic book comment, yeah I like comics. Only certain ones, the ones where I can actually care about the character, unlike in MGS.
With that said, I doubt I play MGS for one reason. Stealth. I suck at stealth games as I would rather just rambo up and kill everything in sight.
:D
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Try not to be a douche. You\'re too fucking stupid to join in the discussion, so stay on the side line, retard. A three year old can post something like that.
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You\'re too fucking stupid to join in the discussion, so stay on the side line, retard.
Winner.
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Try not to be a douche. You\'re too fucking stupid to join in the discussion, so stay on the side line, retard. A three year old can post something like that.
Yeah I just asked you a simplest possible thing. One word. But you fail to convince anyone like always. And stop giving too much attention to someone you publicly admit you view as stupid as a three year old. It doesnt compliment you.
Anyways I ll talk with people that care about the game
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Anyone noticed the attention to detail? One of the puppets intentionally looks like Psycho Mantis. The second looks like the Sorrow.
This boss specifically exposed psychic-like powers in one of the trailers.
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Try not to be a douche. You\'re too fucking stupid to join in the discussion, so stay on the side line, retard. A three year old can post something like that.
I just asked you the simplest possible thing that the others would want to see answered. One word. Nothing wrong with that. But since your smartness can go as high as that you turned the discussion towards me again. Quite possibly because you are smart enough to join and make good discussions related to the topic.
And stop giving too much attention to someone you publicly admit you view as stupid as a three year old. It doesnt compliment you.
Anyways I ll talk with people that care about the game than with a douche that likes to impose his opinions on others
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Love the attention to detail. One of the puppets intentionally looks like Psycho Mantis. The second looks like the Sorrow.
This boss specifically exposed psychic-like powers in one of the trailers.
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^^Loser.
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Someone here play it and let me know if the story is still sleep inducing, before I invest any time or money into this.
Thanks!
perhaps this game suits you better
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you know seeing a picture of Hello Kitty with lil flower boquet and all then seeing ur signature underneath ... idk but i lol\'d
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Someone here play it and let me know if the story is still sleep inducing, before I invest any time or money into this.
Thanks!
..said the guy who bought Iron Man game without hesitation...
With that said, I doubt I play MGS for one reason. Stealth. I suck at stealth games as I would rather just rambo up and kill everything in sight.
:D
From a (Swedish ;) ) game magazine review : (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11339911&postcount=321)
Small excerpt shows this game will have so many surprises up it\'s sleeves, so that voids the \'it\'s just a stealth game\' argument & generalization... or did you play the game already ? :
”MGS4 constantly changes character. While previous parts in the MGS series have had good pacing and a large variation, Guns of the Patriots almost feels like several separate games. The different locations that Solid Snake visits are radically different from each other, both visually and in terms of how they force you to play. There are large, open areas with it’s a challenge just finding the right way. There are also completely linear sections. Enemies vary from human soldiers who make rational decisions to the occasional but very powerful mechs and tiny little robots who throw themselves over Snake.
Some parts are all about pure action in the vein of Lost Planet or Gears of War. Other times it’s a fatal error to equip yourself with anything other than silenced pistols. There are suspenseful chase sequences and mech battles. In one moment Snake is forced to use his eyes to look for signs in the nature in order to follow a person. In the next he’s forced to listen for sounds to be able to maneuver properly. Sequences where he travels alone in claustrophobic tunnels are followed by enormous battles where troops face off against each other, helis are thundering in above the ground and APCs head in between the trees.
The game constantly showers the player with new impressions, new challenges, and the end result is never anything else than fantastic.”
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Every single review I ve seen about this game confesses the best impressions. Actually I ve never seen a review in the past talking with such excitement about the development of the plot and gameplay, constant surprises and unique pacing.
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New MGS4 Trailers :
http://kotaku.com/389818/new-new-new-mgs4-trailers
Pics :
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This is really an impressive trailer!!...the narrator actually sounds like one of those guys that speaks in real movie theaters,..the action/cutscenes are done brilliantly......this trailer alone just made me that more excited to get this game when it drops!!...:fro:
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The movie guy is everywhere. You can not hide from the movie guy
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Impressions and excitement are over the roof
http://www.n4g.com/PS3/games/g-17012/tt/metareviews.aspx
9.8 average score so far!
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Gamespot will rate it at 3.2 out of 10.
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ign 9.9
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at least provide a link lazy ass.. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/877/877611p1.html
im glad it has replayability for unlockables. Was worried about spending 500 on one playthrough
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at least provide a link lazy ass.. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/877/877611p1.html
im glad it has replayability for unlockables. Was worried about spending 500 on one playthrough
I was waiting for you to post the link ;)
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why not 10/10 ?
anyway 9.9 is good enough. :D
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What I know since now :
GamePro: 5/5
US OPM: 5/5
PSM Italy: 10/10
UK OPM: 10/10
LEVEL (Sweden) 10/10
Meristation: 10/10
UK IGN: 9.9/10
Joypad: 19/20
Chief (Belgium): 9.7
Gamemaster: 97%/100%
Dutch OPM: 96/100
Hobby Consolas (Spain): 9.6/10
PSM3: 94%/100%
Hardgame2: 9/10
Jeuxvideo: 18/20
It\'s 9.7 average :thumb: that\'s Great.
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Another work of art by Hideo Kojima and his team ;)
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im watching the story of all the metal gears, and i now know why i never got through the first one and didnt bother with the other 2. in about an hour of the game, theres been MAYBE 10 minutes of actual gameplay.
I get that the story is the main thing with the series, but its a video game. It comes across that its a movie, with a 2 minute break of playing the game to be able to call it a \'video game.\' I wouldve watched it all before posting but the clips are like 9 30 minute clips for each MGS.
I just dont want to pay 500 bucks mainly for a game thats more about cutscenes than actual gameplay. It wouldnt be so bad if the gameplay itself was actually longer, especially between the cutscenes..i could still live with the long cutscenes
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^ That\'s a bit exaggerated. Also, it depends on your playstyle. Some parts you might be able to dash through on
easy/normal modes guns blazing ... but, the main fun of MGS is taking your time to sneak & play around fooling guards.
That\'s the \'sandbox\' element of stealth ; trying out every trick to pull off the most stealthy or stylish playthrough.
Rumour has it this game also includes \'fresh\' changes in gameplay throughout the game ; including Hitman / Mission Impossible -like disguise/stalk missions.
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If there is another damn escort mission like snake eater, i\'m going to kill a bitch.
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Escort Mission? You mean with Eva?
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Eurogamer plays sourgrape again (8 out of 10) : http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143797 (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143797)
Gamesradar has a good objective review (9 out of 10) : http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/review/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/a-20080602125952203027/g-20051216153655522074 (http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/review/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/a-20080602125952203027/g-20051216153655522074)
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I ve seen Eurogamer\'s review and it is one of the worst written reviews I ve ever read regardless of score
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Escort Mission? You mean with Eva?
Anything where you have to make sure the random idiot AI character doesn\'t die is an escort mission in my eyes. Fucking hate em.
I think I ended up knocking her out and carrying her.
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:laughing: indeed. I found that part frustrating too. Especially when she was getting tired and didnt move.
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just watched mgs2...so damn confusing.
*spoilers* i guess..if i had never played it there might be some other people
1) How did liquid\'s arm get onto ocelot? it would make more sense if ocelot wasn\'t with the patriots
2) Was the whole thing to test raiden\'s obedience? then got muffed when solid snake showed up? Seems like a lot to go through to test one person\'s obedience
3) Why was raiden still a fag about rose even though she said she was a spy and talked a massive amount of shit in the end? made no sense
4) What was la-lu-lei-lu er whatever? the name was so fucked up and random that i couldnt compute what it was
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just watched mgs2...so damn confusing.
*spoilers* i guess..if i had never played it there might be some other people
1) How did liquid\'s arm get onto ocelot? it would make more sense if ocelot wasn\'t with the patriots
2) Was the whole thing to test raiden\'s obedience? then got muffed when solid snake showed up? Seems like a lot to go through to test one person\'s obedience
3) Why was raiden still a fag about rose even though she said she was a spy and talked a massive amount of shit in the end? made no sense
4) What was la-lu-lei-lu er whatever? the name was so fucked up and random that i couldnt compute what it was
1)If you have played MGS1 you would have remembered Ocelot losing his hand. Solidus has funded to transplant Liquid\'s hand to Ocelot\'s. Perhaps he was the immediate compatible sample.
Ocelot is a triple agent but his main bosses are the Patriots. He was neither with Solidus or the Russian\'s for real. He was using them to manipulate them and steal information for the Patriots. I think it makes perfect sense especially if you play MGS3
2) It was NOT to test Raiden\'s obedience. It was an experiment to collect data from. The experiment was to test whether human/social behavior can be manipulated and formed accordingly by determining the information we receive and in general the environment in which we live in. Raiden was the sample. The model under which the sample was going to be tested was that of the Shadow mosses because of its extreme circumstances. Raiden behaved as they expected and the general outcome was as they expected. Which means the orchestration of the events has made everyone act exactly as they should have had. While they thought everything they have done was a result of their own decisions and random events taking place, they were all placed on purpose in a defined environment, and made to act in certain ways.
3) Not all of the "shit" came from her. A large portion came from the Patriots. He wasnt sure if it was her or the Patriots. He was also worried that she was another victim of the patriots especially when he was told that she is pregnant and wired just like Olga\'s child. And lets not forget that she admitted that she loved him for real at the end.
4) It is not exactly random. La Lei Lu Lai Lo has its roots from the Japanese alphabet. I do not know the details, but I used to be a member of A "go" club (Japanese board game) and one of the guys there studied a bit Japanese and he was showing us some things and he mentioned the "La Lei Lu Lai Lo". I do not know the purpose of it in MGS2 though or what it means in the Japanese alphabet. edit: btw some suggest that it is the work of nanomachines hiding their "name" whenever someone was trying to mention them. Whenever someone was going to mention them their nanomachines automatically replaced their name with that phrase.
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Famitsu perfect : http://kotaku.com/5012898/famitsu-gives-metal-gear-solid-4-perfect-score (http://kotaku.com/5012898/famitsu-gives-metal-gear-solid-4-perfect-score)
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I ve seen Eurogamer\'s review and it is one of the worst written reviews I ve ever read regardless of score
I think they gave MGS3 the same 8...they don\'t like any MGS Game.
anyway, thanks to them now it\'s 9.6 average by 18 reviews. (Famitsu perfect!) :)
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GamePro: 5/5
US OPM: 5/5
PSM Italy: 10/10
UK OPM: 10/10
LEVEL (Sweden) 10/10
Meristation: 10/10
UK IGN: 9.9/10
Joypad: 19/20
Chief (Belgium): 9.7
Gamemaster: 97%/100%
Dutch OPM: 96/100
Hobby Consolas (Spain): 9.6/10
PSM3: 94%/100%
Hardgame2: 9/10
Jeuxvideo: 18/20
Eurogamer: 8/10
Gamesradar: 9/10
Famitsu: 40/40
AU IGN: 9.5/10
9.6 average
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GamePro: 5/5
US OPM: 5/5
Empire Online: 5/5
Famitsu: 10/10/10/10 40/40
Pelaaja(FIN): 10/10
Playstation Beyond: 10/10
P:TOM: 10/10
PSM Italy: 10/10
UK OPM: 10/10
LEVEL (Sweden) 10/10
Meristation: 10/10
UK IGN: 9.9/10
Joypad: 19/20
Chief (Belgium): 9.7
Gamemaster: 97%/100%
Dutch OPM: 96/100
Hobby Consolas (Spain): 9.6/10
CVG: 9.5/10
IGN AU: 9.5/10
Playfrance: 9.5/10
PSM3: 94%/100%
Gamesradar: 9/10
Hardgame2: 9/10
Gamereactor: 9/10
Jeuxvideo: 18/20
EDGE: 8/10
Eurogamer: 8/10
9.7 average
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9.9? 9.7? 94%?
I hate when reviewers think they can assign a number to a game on a scale of one to 100. For most reviews, the numbers are so few it can relate to words. 10 = awesome, 9 = great.
But 9.7? Really? Maybe it was just an average, but otherwise I think if you think you can pinpoint a game\'s quality specifically on a scale of 1 to 100 (or 0.1 to 10.0) you should be smacked.
I rate this thread 6 wheelbarrows.
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6.7 wheelbarrows are better than 6 wheelbarrows
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9.9? 9.7? 94%?
I hate when reviewers think they can assign a number to a game on a scale of one to 100. For most reviews, the numbers are so few it can relate to words. 10 = awesome, 9 = great.
But 9.7? Really? Maybe it was just an average, but otherwise I think if you think you can pinpoint a game\'s quality specifically on a scale of 1 to 100 (or 0.1 to 10.0) you should be smacked.
I rate this thread 6 wheelbarrows.
you are telling us the obvious :)
they are just reviews with a score. you have an average and all the final comments of all the reviewers. just to have an idea.
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90 minute ending.
SOUNDS AWESOME LOL
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And you know 45 minutes of that will be through that damn codec
F\'n sweet!
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Konami has debunked the 90 minute cut scenes although it remains to be seen who is right and who is wrong.
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konami banned reviewers who got the game early from mentioning anything about cut scene times and installation times. There was some news about gamespot opting to wait for the release date so they could talk about those 2 things.
the ign australian hinted that half the game was cutscenes, unless i read it wrong
edit: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/879/879429p1.html
the dude rips the game to shreds but stil gives it a crazy high score, which makes me think hes incoherent about what ratings are. plus i guess he was playing it on easy difficulty and blamed the game for being able to leave an area and lose the guard\'s alerts (im suprised there are "areas" like the ps1/2 versions)
The play, watch, play, watch, play, play, watch, watch structure means you really will spend half the game just soaking in the tremendous cutscenes, too – and I think you can join the dots about what that means for actual game length.
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It should be 21 hours of gameplay and 9 of watching, with a total of 30...I\'ll try to find a link.
Worried if it’s all style and no substance? Never fear, journalists who have played through the game have reported it to be 30 hours in length, with two thirds consisiting of pure gameplay.
http://www.ripten.com/2008/05/23/meet-mgs4-creator-kojima-in-london/
and nice to hear...
Well, good job folks. We told you that amazon.com would sell the Metal Gear Solid 4 80GB bundle today. And you all listened. Thousands of you swarmed the site, got rid of their inventory in seven minutes, and best of all -- you killed amazon.com.
Demand for the Metal Gear bundle was so high, that the popular online retailer simply couldn\'t handle the traffic. If this is the fervor in just one store, imagine how well the bundles are going to sell when they release nationwide next Thursday.
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/06/06/metal-gear-bundle-kills-amazon-com/
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So basically...
B Level movie>MGS4.
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Nine hours of watching?
What the hell is that bullshit?
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I will enjoy this so much :thumb: Aaaaaaaaaand ... I will give you guys MY MGS4 review after first playthrough.
Awesomagesausage.
Anyway, I\'ll wait until the 12th to see if that MGS4 PS3 bundle actually ships here in PAL land.
I just bought the HD monitor, so step #1 of the road to MGS4 is done hehe.
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i was at the confirmation page on amazon so i actually couldve gotten one through them. the only benefit they have is no tax but i-d have to wait 5-9 days for the free shipping..screw that. and it\'s 20 bucks for 1 day shipping. I\'ll pay the 38 bucks of tax to get it the day it comes out
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It should be 21 hours of gameplay and 9 of watching, with a total of 30...I\'ll try to find a link.
http://www.ripten.com/2008/05/23/meet-mgs4-creator-kojima-in-london/
and nice to hear...
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/06/06/metal-gear-bundle-kills-amazon-com/
Sounds just about perfect :)
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Sounds just about perfect :)
not only amazon was killed, now GameStop and EBGames(I think GS bought EBGames) :)
PS3 (80 Gig) Metal Gear Solid 4 Bundle with Bluetooth Headset.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72558
http://www.ebgames.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72558
And for you MGS4 Press conference
HDhttp://www.gametrailers.com/player/34945.html
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It seems there\'s a Special Surprise together with MGS4, any ideas ?
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free camoflaged dildoes. what is the plural form of dildo anyway?
it\'s a kick ass deal. 55 buck dual shock controller, 60 buck MGS4 for free..no better time to get a ps3 than with this bundle. Ill probably be skipping on the bluray headset..not worth the extra 60 bucks
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3 days until it arrives at my door step...... This game is going to ruin me! I have projects to do
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3 days until it arrives at my door step...... This game is going to ruin me! I have projects to do
It\'s not like you\'re innocent, anyway. Enjoy your gas powered oven.
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It\'s not like you\'re innocent, anyway. Enjoy your gas powered oven.
Dont forget to spread the word of my experience too. I will come back to confirm it
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3 days until it arrives at my door step...... This game is going to ruin me! I have projects to do
What\'d you pay with? Dirt and worms? Isn\'t that the currency in Cyrpus, now\'a\'days?
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What\'d you pay with? Dirt and worms? Isn\'t that the currency in Cyrpus, now\'a\'days?
Euros. Happen to have more value than dollar too. Our previous currency was even stronger.
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Nifty.
Learn something new every day.
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have a question:
I have my 360 plugged in with vga cables, and the sound is going into a pc speaker setup (logitech 5.1). Is there a way to get the ps3 plugged into that same speaker setup while still having the 360 in it? not sure what cables come with the ps3
I have an open hdmi slot so i was thinking of using that, but wouldnt that stop me from being able to use the speakers?
mainly want them on the ps3 for blu ray, but i still have most of my games on 360.
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Euros. Happen to have more value than dollar too. Our previous currency was even stronger.
Doesn\'t matter. Cyprus has nothing to export other than goat products.
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Doesn\'t matter. Cyprus has nothing to export other than goat products.
"Goat cum! Sucked straight from the goat by the local villagers!!"
:thumb:
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"Goat cum! Sucked straight from the goat by the local villagers!!"
:thumb:
*stares at empty yogurt container*
Raz....your timing is impeccable. May you have diarrhea while stuck in traffic in the middle of a tall bridge in broad daylight.
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Doesn\'t matter. Cyprus has nothing to export other than goat products.
And you are the main importer for your personal consumption
Stay on topic
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And you are the main importer for your personal consumption
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And you are the main importer for your personal consumption
Stay on topic
Topic of the week (almost every week): Unic is a dumb ass.
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Topic of the week (almost every week): Unic is a dumb ass.
Oh yeah? Well this isnt the topic of the week.
It reads "Metal Gear Solid 4: The first review is out!"
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Oh yeah? Well this isnt the topic of the week.
It reads "Metal Gear Solid 4: The first review is out!"
Your stupidity carries over to all forums.
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Don\'t fucking tell Gman to stay on topic when you have proving unwilling to do so in other threads.
http://psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40414&page=2
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Oh yeah? Well this isnt the topic of the week.
It reads "Metal Gear Solid 4: The first review is out!"
You must be new to the forums. I\'ll fill you in.
Once everyone realizes you\'re a dumb ass, it carries over to any thread you post in.
Just thought I\'d let ya\' know.
Oh and ..
Jumpy Post = FTW.
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since the thread took a nice little left turn after my post
have a question:
I have my 360 plugged in with vga cables, and the sound is going into a pc speaker setup (logitech 5.1).
I have an open hdmi slot so i was thinking of using that for the ps3, but wouldnt that stop me from being able to use the speakers? or am i able to hook the video up through hdmi and run the sound through rca cables to the subwoofer? Not sure if it\'d sound weird with sound coming through the tv and the speakers
mainly want them on the ps3 for blu ray, but i still have most of my games on 360 so id have to run splitters..just not sure if i can run hdmi, or use the cables that come with the ps3 even though the video will take a hit.
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I was wondering that myself since I have my PS3 connected currently on my surround system.
I am not sure if it can be done, but since on the PS3 there is a separate slot for HDMI and for AV cables, try having both connected on your PS3. Plug the red and white wires on to your speakers while you have the PS3 connected to your TV through HDMI.
I am not sure it its going to work but its is worth the try
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Player TV UK reviews MGS4 -- 10/10 . "One of the best games ever made"
Another perfect score for MGS4 has come in courtesy of Player TV UK. The reviewer termed it as the best game on Playstation 3 and as one of the best games ever made.
http://n4g.com/ps3/News-155448.aspx
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I think this 10/10 is more warranted than that gta4 garbage...;)
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I d always felt that the GTA series although it was a very good for its genre, it was overrated as a game. I acknowledge the quality despite not being my style but I cant see that 10 being representative even if I try to see it from the perspective of a fan.
I sometimes have the impression that GTA4 partly got that score due to its large marketing campaign, publicity and because of the size of the publisher.
There were many peculiar things reported lately such as Ubisoft "threatening" some reviewers because of the score they gave to Assassin\'s Creed or Haze. Imagine if the same would happen to a super popular game such as GTA.
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GTA4 is a great game, but I need to take long breaks from games like that. I think I got about 35% done with the missions before I got bored and sent it back to gamefly.
I\'ll keep my saves though so I can rent it again when I get a hankerin\'.
Gamefly just emailed me that Metal Gear was shipped to me today.... I\'m very excite!
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Liar.
really?
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Yeah, they ship games the day before the official release all the time.
I guess they can do that because it\'s not like your going to get the game the same day its shipped.
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Yeah, they ship games the day before the official release all the time.
I guess they can do that because it\'s not like your going to get the game the same day its shipped.
Well....Target just happens to hold all my games for me. I just go there and pick it up and pay. :)
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9.3 from gametrailers....
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/35051.html
i think it probably could\'ve been a bit higher just based on the quality that you get from this series, and just looking at what scores other games have gotten...but whatever...9.3 is still a respectable score,...i\'m going to pick this one up soon....
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I am very surprised at the score it got for the gameplay and story. There are games with far worse story that got 9 and above. The gameplay also offers more variety AFAIK than games such as Gears of War or Uncharted
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I can see why the score isn\'t higher than 9.3, and 8.9 for the gameplay. The reviewer said trying to remember the functions of each button when controlling Snake to do a specific things can be frustrating, and the cutscene storyline are so long that you have to pause it to take a break in between cutscene because the cutscenes are long and there are lots of them.
I can see why the physic of this game hasn\'t improve much compare to its predecessor is because they really try to make the graphic look really good, and it does look great, and trying to do that with better physic will cost a performance hit, slowing down the framerate. I can see the framerate getting clunky here and there from the videoclip, especially in cutscenes. So, it will not be possible to add more or better physic while trying to maintain smooth framerate.
Maybe on next generation console like the PS4, they might be able to get awesome graphic with awesome physic....but now, they focused more on graphic than they do with physic.
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Do you mean animation when you say physics?
The reviewer probably didnt get used to the controls. In MGO I ve seen players do unbelievable things even though they were battling against humans. Their CQC techniques were deadly.
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yeah. characters animation, and also, physics overall too. like when Vamp threw the knives, the physic on those knives flying does look last generation.
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You mean when Vamp threw the knives during the cutscene?
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yeah. characters animation, and also, physics overall too. like when Vamp threw the knives, the physic on those knives flying does look last generation.
Surprisingly, every other review praises MGS4 for it\'s new gameplay control system marking it as fluid & a renovation the series needed. I guess GT wanted controls even more casual.
The Vamp knives throw ; it\'s during a cutscene ; it\'s directed animation of course.
Physics : E for All demo\'s got alot of praise on the specific point of NPC physics
reaction to bullets and falling animations
Character animation of Snake : It\'s no fluidity like in Splinter Cell, Uncharted or Assassin\'s Creed, but indeed a step above anything the series had so far. Until the Assassin\'s Solid spoof, Snake\'s running animation was exactly like in MGS3 ; a staccato kind of run, very arcady looking ; it looks better now.
I\'ll try to pick up a PS3 + this game after work, today.
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Yeah I think that the improvement in physics was obvious in MGO as well. Explosions and killing shots produced the expected results
I once saw someone getting killed from a high spot, fall, hit a pipe, then hit the ground in a convincing manner.
Explosions would also blow your character far away like a rag doll.
I expect the finished product in SP mode is even much more improved
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You mean when Vamp threw the knives during the cutscene?
yeah, the cutscenes around 9:40 length of the video review, it show vamp jumping up in the air with two feet stretch and throwing knives...
if the control system and physic has improve like you guys said. Cool.
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Well regarding the throwing knives physics Knotter8 answered it for you. You are seeing an issue that is not there regarding that specific scene. ;)
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i know some people were complaining of the cutscenes,...but that never really bothered me, and here i guess the game is trying to tie up all of the loose ends from the previous games,...with so much put into the game in terms of trying to end this chapter of the game,...i don\'t think we\'ll see another mgs any time soon....i know we\'ve gotten mgs 2 & snake eater last gen, but it\'s taking games a bit longer to come out this gen.
Even the big firms that are already familiar with the tech are still taking quite a bit of time to release games,...maybe as the years press on, development times will improve, but i say the chance of us getting another mgs this gen?...between 30 - 50%...
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i wouldn\'t be surprise if they fine tune mgs4 again and re-release it like how they did mgs2 substance and mgs3 subsistence.
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Nine hours of cut scenes is absurd.
Honestly, it\'s a game. Not a movie.
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Nine hours of cut scenes is absurd.
Honestly, it\'s a game. Not a movie.
It\'s a matter of preference, some like it, some obviously don\'t... Me personally, I have always enjoyed previous mgs games, cut-scenes included.
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I don\'t mind some log cut scenes as long as they aren\'t boring.
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Nine hours of cut scenes is absurd.
Honestly, it\'s a game. Not a movie.
But who wouldn\'t want to pay 60 bucks for a C level movie?
Money well spent.
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I don\'t mind some log cut scenes as long as they aren\'t boring.
When was the last time a game didn\'t have boring cut scenes? Even my favorite games lack good cut scenes.
Just my two cents.
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got my ps3 today.
Almost want to wait till it\'s night to start playing mgs4,haha.
is ratchet and clank and uncharted beatable in a rent? I want to play those games but i dunno if i want to spend 60 bucks..especially after dropping 500
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got my ps3 today.
Almost want to wait till it\'s night to start playing mgs4,haha.
is ratchet and clank and uncharted beatable in a rent? I want to play those games but i dunno if i want to spend 60 bucks..especially after dropping 500
i have no clue about ratchet & clank....but uncharted took me a few days to beat...but i suggest that you buy uncharted,...even if you could find it used....that\'s a really impressive game.
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When was the last time a game didn\'t have boring cut scenes? Even my favorite games lack good cut scenes.
Just my two cents.
Ha.. I said "log cut scenes"
As long as they further the story I guess I shoulda said.
If I\'ve been playing a really heavily story driven game, I don\'t mind them taking a 5 or 10min break from the action to \'splain some shit.
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played it for about an hour today
Not really going to give a review since i havent gotten anywhere, but theres definitly a big learning curve with the controls..especially if you havent played the series before. I dont know if i overlooked it, but it doesnt seem like theres a tutorial. I swear i saw videos of training missions but i cant find them anywhere.
Other than a few screw ups with me and the controller it seems like a really good game. I played most of that hour without cutscenes (after the beginning scene of course)
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Look what i got yesterday :
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A PS3 + MGS4 + SC DA + GTA IV
Funny though ; the PS3 was actually the GTA IV bundle which i didn\'t intend to buy. However, i was \'forced to\' because all standard packs seemed to be sold out :confused:
This is my re-entry into \'next gen gaming\' after formerly owning a 360 : MGS4 looks & plays very very well. In many ways it\'s a gaming pinnacle and in some other ways it (technically) lags behind.
@ Viper ; for control tuts goto Briefing in the Options menu ; you can scroll through all moves tutorials.
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i have but i still screw up in the heat of the moment. like ill pop out too far when 3 guys come running around a corner and im like "shiiit" and screw up the buttons. Doesnt help i always get the X button wrong (been playing 360 the last few years)
stupid question: how the hell do you grab people? haha. every time i go for it i either do nothing and get knocked down, or i knock the dude over. I\'ve tried holding down R1 like the briefing says but it never works for me
nice buy btw. everyone rags on SC: DA but i thought it was awesome. definitly a change in gameplay but they decided to try something new, and people always bitch about change.
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^ It\'s a bit fiddly indeed.... Holding R1 is the way to do it - however - if you run towards the dude and R1 him, basically not coming to a full halt ; you\'ll throw him into a KO.
I usually sneak upon their backs real slow, then when the dude\'s within arms reach I press & hold R1 ; it should work because my slow sneak doesn\'t trigger the CQC throwdown in that way.
About cutscenes : the game didn\'t trigger the Act 1 briefing automatically for me ; i had to choose it in the menu - in no way it forces itself upon the player. I\'m now at the part with Rat Patrol team. Until now ; cutscenes are already pretty entertaining. The Meryl & Snake reunite & talks are interesting, especially her temper.
* I had SC DA on the 360 ; loved it. I can see the PS3 version is the inferior port (especially concerning framerate), but it still looks & plays good in it\'s own way.
* I\'ll make a MGS4 review eventually, from different points of view : technical - artistically - gameplay
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Gamespot will rate it at 3.2 out of 10.
eh eh :) It\'s 10/10 from them.
By Kevin VanOrd, GameSpot
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. It\'s also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it\'s impossible to extricate one from the other. It\'s likely you will emerge awestruck from your first play-through, wishing the experience would continue yet nonetheless satisfied with its conclusion. It\'s difficult not to sound hyperbolic when discussing MGS4 because every part of its design seemingly fulfills its vision, without compromise. There is no halfway.
GameSpot Score 10/10
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/review.html
I\'m out of Italy for job, ahhh, cannot get it now :(
...and GmanJoe have to wait for my spaghetti! :)
ps: waiting for your review Knotter8.
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No speghetti? :(
Started playing this on Thursday and stopped on Friday night. Had to sleep early so I could go fishing at dawn the next day. Today is Father\'s Day. No time for games. Gotta do some cookouts with relatives.
Arrrr.....want to play this game so bad. :(
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eh eh :)
ps: waiting for your review Knotter8.
I\'ll promise, the review\'s coming up, but my life is going on too so I\'m only halfway Act 2 atm.
But to quickly answer one question - in context of Gamespot\'s statement that it\'s the technically most stunning game ;
In my humble opinion : It\'s not the case - but MGS4, both surpasses others and underwhelms technically at the same time.
It\'s somewhat true that Japanese gamedevelopment is lagging behind technically to Western game developers, but .... KojiPro is so good, that it manages to still wow the player at certain points, yet at other points you can tell it falls behind the pack.
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i agree. some of the textures are a little meh when they get up-close in the cutscenes. The characters are definitly amazing though.
I\'m about at the same point as you are knotter..maybe past halfway of act 2. I was a main worryer (cant top lic though) about having too much cutscenes and not enough gameplay..and i was definitly proven wrong
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^ For me, it\'s not even about the textures...
A glaring \'issue\' - something which I find Kojima\'s traditional weakpoint - is, lighting. Pay attention at some indoor locations : at times, those locations do
not have realtime lightsources, even though light is visually there falling into the room via window or door opening ;
the result is that there\'s no selfshadowing on Snake\'s model even though you can see him casting a shadow to the floor. It makes his character \'stick out\' from the environment and the lack of a realtime lightsource takes away the effect of every normal mapping on Snake\'s model, making it feel very flat.
The other thing is moves & controls... i know, it\'s leaps ahead of what MGS2 & 3 ever had, but in essence.... it\'s a Splinter Cell Chaos Theory version 0.5 beta, it\'s kind of like a primitive version of SC moves ( Snake still cannot jump - the engine can\'t calculate jump motion trajectories ? ) . Still, at least it\'s something really good and the game plays like a charm. I\'ll delve into details later on in my review.
The cutscenes & Story ? Ugh... i guess some ppl are real ADHD patients or just don\'t give a fuck about the storyline. I was truly stunned by the Vamp + Laughing Octopus cutscene in Act 2. The game gives me that feeling of wanting to progress the storyline... it actually teases to rush through it , yet i know i should better take my time to play it slow & stealthy.
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In a few hours I am expecting the game to arrive at my doorstep (hopefully). I will try and share my impressions too as soon as I have the chance
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Game is HARD! But FUN! And it\'s made me laugh a few times already! :laughing:
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I arrived at act 3 yesterday evening. Hot damn, mid way act 2 the game really gets going : a rollercoaster ride of MGS3 infused stealth - if you play it that way, guns blazing might get you a quick death depending on what level you play - some of the best on rails shooting and awesome action cutscenes.
The first boss battle also appears - contrary to letdown rumours - i was pleasantly surprised.
Act 3 appears to be shift of pace. I\'ll start on it tonight.
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I just got to Act 2. I was so impressed by the fire fight at the end of Act I, I kept doing it over and over again.
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another -im retarded with the controller- question
I had a problem with that firefight at the end of act 1. Are you able to stay in cover, but also shoot. Sometimes it works when im standing up, sometimes it doesnt. But when im crouched i always have to stand up out of cover in order to shoot. can you crouch in cover and still fire? all i can do is peak up a little bit
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I haven\'t tried it yet...but pressing L1 and R1 is supposed to make you shoot from cover.
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I got to act 4 this evening... A few keywords :
fond memories - sad nostalgia - scared frozen - emotional - awestruck.
Seriously.
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I\'m about half way through Act 4, I love how he put different aspects of each game into this one. Opening part of Act 4 is some great memories ;)
I for one like the cut scenes. They really help develop the story which is a key part of the game. I hate games that have no real story, they tend to bore me.
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Uhm...what is this?....boing?!!
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/35260.html
I\'m not sure who this is, but i\'m going to assume that it\'s those female combatants that you fight in the game,...whatever is goin\' here is a bit pervish, but i gotta admit these are some great looking female models....very uhm..detailed....:fro:
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It arrived today and I am astonished by the quality of the game.
There is a lot of gameplay here! Much more than any other MGS probably.
I ve started the game at the highest difficulty setting and I must say that the AI is very tough!
There are tons of ways to approach the gameplay! You can literally experiment with the game.
Btw I must say that the attention to detail is brilliant too. I love how you can change channels when you start a new game. In one of them there was a show interviewing David Hayter in the future. Unbelievable :laughing:
There is certainly a post-modern touch in it and an almost post-apocalyptic feel.
The game itself seems to touch reality in a unique way. This could have been a novel that approached the real world with a twist.
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love this game. pretty much have the controls down. i still can\'t really justify spending 500 bucks on one game (dont see myself buying anything other than resistance and resistance 2 in the near future), but im still glad i bought the system just to experience this game.
*really minor spoiler*..not even..but its mgs4 and people want to see stuff for the first time as they progress. Im like 1/3ish (no idea how far) into act 4
Anyone else find it near impossible to avoid getting detected by those little unmanned, three-legged sentries? the first time in the hanger i avoided them for a little while, then ran right in a room where a bunch of them were in a blindspot so i just blasted them all. Then again a little later in the chapter i can get around the room, but to get to the door i need to get to is impossible. iv only tried once so far but i took so damn long and still screwed it up
edit: has anyone tried MGS online? i only skimmed it when i was updating, then i never got my email to confirm my account..did i read it right that there\'s a monthly fee to play? if thats the case im probably going to pass on it for a while unless everyone thinks its good enough for the payment
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Got a chance to play it over at my brother\'s house, for whatever reason i just couldn\'t get into it. The tv channels in the beginning bugged the shit out of me, the gameplay doesn\'t feel like its really made that much of a leap from MGS3 and christ, a hairless monkey with a leather diaper? really?
I\'m sure the gameplay picks up and its probably fun to play, but my first impression was not the best.
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You have to play it yourself at your own ease from the beginning. You also have to take the game as it is. If you werent a fan of the other games (MGS2 specifically) you probably wont like what this is trying to be. The game screams post-modernism and for that reason it is different and tries to go beyond being just a game. It is like trying to "invade" reality. For that reason some features (like the TV programs of a society that lives under war economy) may be loved by many and disliked by others.
There is definitely lots of gameplay improvement compared to MGS3. It is mostly noticeable at the hardest difficulty setting
btw it looked like leather in the original trailers. Didnt you notice it looked like metal in the final game? :)
*really minor spoiler*..not even..but its mgs4 and people want to see stuff for the first time as they progress. Im like 1/3ish (no idea how far) into act 4
Anyone else find it near impossible to avoid getting detected by those little unmanned, three-legged sentries? the first time in the hanger i avoided them for a little while, then ran right in a room where a bunch of them were in a blindspot so i just blasted them all. Then again a little later in the chapter i can get around the room, but to get to the door i need to get to is impossible. iv only tried once so far but i took so damn long and still screwed it up
edit: has anyone tried MGS online? i only skimmed it when i was updating, then i never got my email to confirm my account..did i read it right that there\'s a monthly fee to play? if thats the case im probably going to pass on it for a while unless everyone thinks its good enough for the payment
I ve finished it some hours ago and I must say it is an amazing experience. Probably the best I ve ever had :)
This game is certainly unique and different than any other game out there.
But anyways, indeed I couldnt avoid those things either in many areas. The best way is to distract them by throwing magazines. They will all (or almost all) move to a certain direction to check it out.
Another way is to use Chaff grenades, but there werent any available in drebin\'s shop. I had two in my menu I didnt know where I got them from.
I didnt play Online yet on the final version but I played a lot the Beta version and it was a blast. First time I hear about the subscription fee. Where did you hear that? :confused:
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I can confirm that the online portion is free :)
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I just finished the game last night.
I learned a valuable lesson: Bosses are stupid and will step on claymores. Especially Vamp and Crying Wolf.
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You have to play it yourself at your own ease from the beginning. You also have to take the game as it is. If you werent a fan of the other games (MGS2 specifically) you probably wont like what this is trying to be.
Well, I now know I won\'t like it. I was giving serious thought to picking it up, until I read that. I mean, this is someone who hated MGS1 and MGS2.
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Yeah... Then you won\'t like this at all.
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Yeah... Then you won\'t like this at all.
Bummer. I was almost goin\' to buy the game, due to the whole killing an enemy and collecting his weapon aspect. I\'m a sucker for that stuff.
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There\'s a whole lotta that. Fosho.
The cut scenes are long. The story kinda wonky. Gameplay is fantastic if your into the whole stealth/action hybrid, however.
I think I\'m about 75% done with it and so far have been really impressed. I hardly ever actually finish games but I\'m gonna finish this one.
So yeah LIC, judging from what you were saying before it came out, and now, this game probably isnt for you.
Can\'t you just go rent it and find out? Fuckin\' gamefly man. DO IT.
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I don\'t recall the last time I just, what is it you said, "rent" ... heh.
I may take you up on that. Will sign up for Gamefly before I go to bed, I guess.
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Bummer. I was almost goin\' to buy the game, due to the whole killing an enemy and collecting his weapon aspect. I\'m a sucker for that stuff.
you play STALKER?
that dominated all other games i know of where you scavenge the ammo and guns of everyone you kill..plus the whole atmosphere is really cool.
i think the expansion comes out later this year
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Bummer. I was almost goin\' to buy the game, due to the whole killing an enemy and collecting his weapon aspect. I\'m a sucker for that stuff.
Thats the irony. You have one one hand this aspect which is one of the best implementations I ve ever seen in a war game and on the other hand it its got the elements that you hate.
I think (just as Luke has put it) rent is the best option for you but I bet you are going to hate the game if you dont tend to care about characters and plots in games regardless.
If you start skipping the cut scenes many things in the world will look like out of place: "What the fuck is this?" "Why on earth am I supposed to do this?" "Who on earth is that?" "When did that become a part of the picture?"
It is like taking a superhero movie and watch only the action portions of it. You are bound to either hate the movie or hate the character.
This game is aimed mostly for the fans and very open minded newcomers (just because they will dare spend the time trying to follow the plot).
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This game is aimed mostly for the fans and very open minded newcomers (just because they will dare spend the time trying to follow the plot).
Very open minded newcomers...why don\'t you just say "people who enjoy any game out there".
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I don\'t recall the last time I just, what is it you said, "rent" ... heh.
I may take you up on that. Will sign up for Gamefly before I go to bed, I guess.
It\'s worth it... even if you just get the 1 game at a time plan.
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Kobe - how my ass taste?
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Like peanut butter.
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Tried it.
Hated it.
Oh well. Moving on to something else now.
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tried out MGS online today. Was pretty cool but i cant tell if headshots count or not..i try, swear i hit his head, then they turn and kill me really quickly. I still manage to do alright but my k/d ratio probably isnt the best
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/99-Metal-Gear-Solid-4
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the only dialogue i hated was otacon..such a fag
i still find it funny some guy actually had to cry like a bitch to make the voice..wouldnt you look at the script and say "im not doing this crap"
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/99-Metal-Gear-Solid-4
Truer words have never been spoken.
I mean, I understand why some people may like the first couple installments in this franchise and I appreciate the graphical and cinematic qualities this game has, but the gameplay is just plain broken. And the "story", what story? It\'s just a bunch of dialogue that presents a nonsensical "story" in the most loose of terms.
Epic Games lead designer Cliff "Don\'t Call Me CliffyB" Bleszinski has launched a broadside at Metal Gear Solid 4, calling it "passive entertainment" that\'s on the way out.
"We\'re going from the bowels of the Earth to the highest peaks of Sera, producing those beautiful environmental money shots," Bleszinski said in a short Gears of War 2 interview with IGN. "We want to create places where you\'d want to make your home, and sip coffee in the morning."
"We wanted a blockbuster pace, and in doing so, we lost the story a bit. So that\'s one of the lessons we learned," he said, talking about taking the experiences of the original Gears of War into the sequel. "This time around there\'s more repetition. Games aren\'t movies and aren\'t consumed in a single sitting. So secondary characters will remind you about stuff, which is pre-established in plot clues."
"Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we\'re not doing," he added. "Passive entertainment is on its way out - you need to hook up with this web 2.0 stuff."
Released in June, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots was well-received by critics and fans alike but raised some eyebrows over the length of its cutscenes; one reviewer described the length of time between starting a new game and engaging the first enemy as "23 cocking minutes."
Gears of Wars 2 is currently in development for the Xbox 360 and is slated for release in November.
Also dead on.
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And in that video he is right about one thing... Why does snake spend the whole game questioning whats going on, like he\'s surprised at everything.
It\'s just the dialogue in that game was so bad sometimes.
Otacon: "blah blah blah something something metal gear"
Snake: "Metal Gear?"
Otacon: "Blah blah blah something something The Patriots"
Snake: "The patriots?"
Seriously.... 20min long cut scenes of that. And the part where otacon cries was some of the worst voice acting ive ever heard, i literally laughed at it.
Now that I\'ve finished it and had some time to look back on it... While I enjoyed it, and am glad I played it there is no way that game deserved a perfect score. There was so much Kojima story masturbation in it I would go and make a sandwich while a half an hour of bad dialogue tried to make sense of things. And it really was more of a boring action game than a stealth game.
I give it a 6/10
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lol, yea. i dont think one line goes by where someone says the name "blah blah blah naomi blah blah" and snake doesn\'t respond "...naomi?"
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The wife watched me play and it and she just kept asking, "when do you get to play" at the start. When I finally did get to play, it would be a few moments, then another damn talking codec or cutscene. I quickly said screw this, it\'s just not worth it. I wanted to play a game, not watch a poorly written movie.
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the beginning stars insanely slowly..if you didnt get to the gekkos, then you maybe played 2 minutes of gameplay wher u just walk to a checkpoint
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It\'s all about first impressions. If I spend over forty minutes "playing" a game and only get two minutes of gameplay, then something is wrong.
I made it to where I get the MK II, rocket launcher and all that crap.
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I don\'t know, I really enjoyed it. But maybe I\'m just a sucker for games that have an actual story to go along with it.
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I don\'t know, I really enjoyed it. But maybe I\'m just a sucker for games that have an actual story to go along with it.
Define "story", please.
:thumb:
When I think of "story", I think of a game like Folklore or maybe Silent Hill.
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its definitly one of the more conviluted stories..but entertainment wise, i didn\'t find it more interesting than a few other games.
but im interested to see why the locusts are attacking in gears 2 so it doesnt take too much to get me to get into stories of games i like
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its definitly one of the more conviluted stories..but entertainment wise, i didn\'t find it more interesting than a few other games.
but im interested to see why the locusts are attacking in gears 2 so it doesnt take too much to get me to get into stories of games i like
Oil.
Obviously they are attacking for Oil.
That or WMD\'s.
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maybe wmd\'s lathered in oil
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i only played 2 metal gear solid game and that is one and two. I thought Metal Gear Solid was a masterpiece, and a classic. The gameplay is great, so was the story. Metal Gear Solid 2 story is kind of all over the places, really a letdown compare to 1. But the gameplay is still great which is still cool. Although I thought MGS One gameplay is a tad more better as it has more interesting and clever ideas than 2.
MGS2 is more about graphic, and physic than it\'s about story. Never play MGS3 or MGS4 yet so I don\'t know about them.
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i only played 2 metal gear solid game and that is one and two. I thought Metal Gear Solid was a masterpiece, and a classic. The gameplay is great, so was the story. Metal Gear Solid 2 story is kind of all over the places, really a letdown compare to 1. But the gameplay is still great which is still cool. Although I thought MGS One gameplay is a tad more better as it has more interesting and clever ideas than 2.
MGS2 is more about graphic, and physic than it\'s about story. Never play MGS3 or MGS4 yet so I don\'t know about them.
Actually MGS2 was more about story than anything else
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It\'s all about first impressions. If I spend over forty minutes "playing" a game and only get two minutes of gameplay, then something is wrong.
I made it to where I get the MK II, rocket launcher and all that crap.
Act 3 is fun. I beat Normal Twice. Now I want to play EASY so i could collect the stupid dolls.
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Act 3 is fun. I beat Normal Twice. Now I want to play EASY so i could collect the stupid dolls.
I collected all dolls on the hard difficulty setting easily and now I am on act 4 on BOSS EXTREME with no kills, no alerts, no health recovery items used and no continues.
The first I enjoyed it. The second I fill like Itchy the Killer. I have become a masochist
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[QuoteThe first I enjoyed it. The second I fill like Itchy the Killer. I have become a masochist[/Quote]
Are you Kopking?
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Actually MGS2 was more about story than anything else
You have a point there. It\'s more story driven. Very lengthy, but the story was a mess. It had it moments, but at times, it felt like it was over written, and over exaggerated.
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You have a point there. It\'s more story driven. Very lengthy, but the story was a mess. It had it moments, but at times, it felt like it was over written, and over exaggerated.
Thats because there is lots post-modernism in it ;) I dont think the story in MGS2 was a mess. It can make sense. It brought matters in it that many arent willing to seat and think about them though.
The game doesnt ask you "do you care or not" and then offer you what you want. It offers you that and thats it. Therefore if you are the type of people that dont care much or havent occupied your mind before with similar matters it wont make sense or it will look like a waste of time. It is a love or hate think depending on taste and acceptance.
MGS2 took real events, real phenomenons and philosophical issues that characterize people as individuals and as societies in the present day and built a fictional story containing these to point to something. And I think it has strong influence from other work such as Orwell\'s. But it went beyond what many would have expected and want to hear. It nullified individuals and societies. It smashed their integrity with some extremely criticizing and complex dialogue. It is not something bad. It is not something that everyone is willing to accept or want to hear either. Especially in a videogame.
I would say that MGS2 is best suited to a particular audience.
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the story lost it when it talks about revolver ocelot hand on liquid snake\'s arm and it starts to get too complex and confusing for me afterward.:D
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Well all the answers are in MGS4
It even explains Liquid\'s personality in Ocelot. It is not as "supernatural" as it looked in MGS2. But I wouldnt want to spoil anything in case you are interested to play it :)
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clear ur damn pm\'s unicron..have a question on the story but there arent any spoiler tags so i dont want to run the risk of someone accidently reading it
why arent there spoiler tags on this site anymore anyway?
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oops ok cleared
btw: Use black color for the characters so they wouldnt be visible unless highlighted and warn for a spoiler :)
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Phew.....I managed to acquire the Big Boss Emblem. It took forever.
Pretty hard to finish the Boss Extreme with no health items used, no continues, no kills and no alerts under 5 hours.
There were instances that I thought it was utter impossible.
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that\'s insane man. i am 99% sure i won\'t be able to get that. After im done with resistance, ill go through and get some of the emblems but ones like the boss extreme i probably wont get
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Tell me about it. Now I am typing with my tongue because I am in a straitjacket
I was near pulling my hair. Imagine exiting and realoding sections of the game only because someone has seen you. Or losing all the time because you dont want to use any health items.
The chase section in Act 3 was a SUPER pain in the ass!! It is impossible not to lose huge chunks of your health. And if you lost a lot on one part of the chase scene, it was impossible to finish the next with no health item
I had two saves just in case. One for the section I am playing and one for the previous just in case I screwed over the last one.
I think it was worth it though. I wanted desperately to get the "Big Boss" face camo. It scares soldiers off and drop their weapons. It also awarded me with numerous weapons plus stealth and bandanna for free and I had enough drebin points to purchase the gun that produces tornados.
It is awesome to watch the tornado take anything on its path. Very awesome physics. It fills the whole place with items too
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And in that video he is right about one thing... Why does snake spend the whole game questioning whats going on, like he\'s surprised at everything.
It\'s just the dialogue in that game was so bad sometimes.
Otacon: "blah blah blah something something metal gear"
Snake: "Metal Gear?"
Otacon: "Blah blah blah something something The Patriots"
Snake: "The patriots?"
Seriously.... 20min long cut scenes of that. And the part where otacon cries was some of the worst voice acting ive ever heard, i literally laughed at it.
Too funny..:laughing:...i can actually see this game doing that!...
There was so much Kojima story masturbation in it I would go and make a sandwich while a half an hour of bad dialogue tried to make sense of things. And it really was more of a boring action game than a stealth game.
WTF?...Kojima story masturbation??....:laughing:..:rofl:...i\'ll probably still pick this up,...i thought kojima told a pretty solid story in mgs for the psx...but in trying to tell a complex story Kojima sometimes makes it overly complicated, in trying to make the game sophisticated,...in some parts in prt 2 i was lost on some of the dialogue....i guess no-one dares say anything like "uhm...kojima i think we should take this out,..or i feel we should disregard that"....i did think that liquid living thru ocelot\'s arm was a bit hokey.
I\'ll mostly be picking this up to see if the game finally answers the questions from previous games...mostly the mystery of the patriots and the fate of helga\'s(i think that\'s her name) baby.
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Yeah exactly. What I meant was that sometimes it really seemed to me like the ONLY person alive who could make sense of this was Kojima. So the story was really just for him.
I really did like the game, despite how hard I was on it.
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Tornado gun, eh?
Yeah that was a blast in Rachet and Clank!11!111!~~
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYFakiuRu1M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkvs9za6VdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8NsXFvGsLI&feature=related
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is there a way to check what emblems you got?
going to start getting some of mine, but i can\'t remember which 3 i got on my first play through
definitly going to start with the one that gives u the assassins creed costume
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I didn\'t really read the thread, but Kojima has always had a strong, almost pervasive sense of post-modernism through his games; it\'s intrisic to the very fabric of what makes Metal Gear Solid what it is.
Sorry, but the story-line doesn\'t really have to make sense.
Having said that, I skipped the majority of the thread for fear of spoilers. My PS3 is out of commission at the moment, so MGS4:GotP is just sitting there.
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I didn\'t really read the thread, but Kojima has always had a strong, almost pervasive sense of post-modernism through his games; it\'s intrisic to the very fabric of what makes Metal Gear Solid what it is.
Sorry, but the story-line doesn\'t really have to make sense.
Having said that, I skipped the majority of the thread for fear of spoilers. My PS3 is out of commission at the moment, so MGS4:GotP is just sitting there.
I\'m sorry, but a story line does have to make sense. It\'s a friggin\' story. If a story doesn\'t make sense, then anyone could just write a bunch of jibberish.
I was was a solider.
I killed people, but those people came back to life.
One of them was a twin - who had sex with my mother.
That mother was a clone of my grandmother tho\'.
So now her spirit lives in my evil clones foot..becuase they..you know..had sex.
I have to fight them.
Because the arab people are evil and own weird robots.
See? That was a pointless story that made no sense. Much like Kojima\'s self masturbation.
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I didn\'t really read the thread, but Kojima has always had a strong, almost pervasive sense of post-modernism through his games; it\'s intrisic to the very fabric of what makes Metal Gear Solid what it is.
Sorry, but the story-line doesn\'t really have to make sense.
Having said that, I skipped the majority of the thread for fear of spoilers. My PS3 is out of commission at the moment, so MGS4:GotP is just sitting there.
Totally agree with the post-modernism. Thats what I ve pointed too in this thread.
I think it does make sense though. It just does it in an extremely unconditional manner. Many elements in the story transcend what we see in reality thus it looks abstract. But there is some logical cohesion within the world of the game. The story makes sense depending on the way it is viewed by the player. If the player views the game\'s environment with the preconception that everything should be 100% faithful to reality and explained 100% "scientifically", it wont make sense at all.
I think people who havent been exposed enough to literature and other forms of art are bound to view the story and its elements negatively.
Btw I think the thread is spoiler free.
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Honestly, you are now trying to say people who don\'t get the story are uneducated? That\'s the most absurd and idiotic thing I have ever read.
It\'s a videogame. It\'s not high art. Better yet, it is a videogame by a guy who wanted to be a director but didn\'t have what it took.
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I think it does make sense though. It just does it in an extremely unconditional manner. Many elements in the story transcend what we see in reality thus it looks abstract. But there is some logical cohesion within the world of the game. The story makes sense depending on the way it is viewed by the player. If the player views the game\'s environment with the preconception that everything should be 100% faithful to reality and explained 100% "scientifically", it wont make sense at all.
I think people who havent been exposed enough to literature and other forms of art are bound to view the story and its elements negatively.
Btw I think the thread is spoiler free.
I think you\'re over-thinking and stating it as some weird work of art that only intellects are able to decipher...it\'s a realistic, fantasy game. so it screams realism on the skimming surface, but everything is very over-the-top. It even makes fun of itself because of this on the beginning of act 2.
just take it for what it is..most of it made sense for me (aside from the stuff i pm\'ed about but we came to our own conclusion) and i didn\'t view it as complicated as you put it
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I think people who havent been exposed enough to literature and other forms of art are bound to view the story and its elements negatively.
Translation...
Only smart people get it.
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Or.
Translation.
Only people who want to make excuses for it, get it.
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Wow, really? You\'re going to be a snob about a VIDEO GAME storyline? Hypothetically, even if it isn\'t a convoluted mess of a story highlighted by the fact that Kojima can\'t direct and its readily apparent by his pacing and storytelling ability. Even IF the game presented a well thought out, in depth critique on the human condition, you sound like a complete jackass. There are things called opinions, people have them, doesn\'t mean they haven\'t been exposed to enough literature or art.
Stop making excuses, some people don\'t like it and they have valid points for not liking it. Not everyone appreciates the beauty of Mondrian\'s Broadway Boogie Woogie but I would never accuse them of being uneducated because of it.
//Design major, 3 years of art history, 1 year of Lit
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I think you\'re over-thinking and stating it as some weird work of art that only intellects are able to decipher...it\'s a realistic, fantasy game. so it screams realism on the skimming surface, but everything is very over-the-top. It even makes fun of itself because of this on the beginning of act 2.
just take it for what it is..most of it made sense for me (aside from the stuff i pm\'ed about but we came to our own conclusion) and i didn\'t view it as complicated as you put it
No no thats not what I am saying.
I am not talking about the complexity of the story mind you. I am talking about its ways of expression, elements which are often "supernatural, unrealistic or surreal" or overdeveloped and it may go beyond what many people would care. It does it so unconventionally that sometimes we may try to find some sort of explanation in things that do not need any realistic or scientific explanation.
For example, take the presentation of the Beasts after you beat them. The whole presentation is unrealistic and unnatural but it is trying to describe something "real". Spoiler:[ [COLOR="Black"]strange glowing energy surrounding them? black ink vomit? supernatural powers braking windows and objects? black and white imagery? cries and screams in the background? dissapearing from the area and then appearing in a white void and back again? the girls trying to hug and almost make love to snake (lie down and see what happens) etc[/COLOR] ] edit: Another example: Liquid acquiring life through Ocelot\'s transplanted hand? Get out of here!! These parts are subject of criticism and rejection. Not everyone takes the game for what it is
It doesnt require to be an intellectual. Just to be a little open minded and some familiarity to similar attempts (thats why I mentioned exposure to other forms of art).
Of course someone may like or hate the game even with an open mind and familiarity. Like personal taste.
There could be various reasons for disliking something. One could be personal taste which is perfectly understandable. For example not everyone likes post modernism. Just like someone doesnt like drama movies or horror movies or whatever. The movie the Fountain is another similar example. "Why should anyone care about a guy doing Yoga in a round bulb with a tree in it?"
Another reason could be bad design. Which is also perfectly understandable.
But many times people are confusing bad design with personal taste and things they arent accustomed to. This is where I am pointing to.
(not that the game is 100% free from some flaws)
Its a love it or hate it thing
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I skip the story lines.
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I was was a solider.
I killed people, but those people came back to life.
One of them was a twin - who had sex with my mother.
That mother was a clone of my grandmother tho\'.
So now her spirit lives in my evil clones foot..becuase they..you know..had sex.
I have to fight them.
Because the arab people are evil and own weird robots.
I don\'t play MGS games. I tried once but didn\'t like the controls. But from what I\'ve read about the storyline and the characters... it wasn\'t until "evil clones foot" that I realized you were making something up and not summarizing the MGS plotline.
So, from an outsider\'s perspective, you have a convincing point LIC.
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I don\'t play MGS games. I tried once but didn\'t like the controls. But from what I\'ve read about the storyline and the characters... it wasn\'t until "evil clones foot" that I realized you were making something up and not summarizing the MGS plotline.
So, from an outsider\'s perspective, you have a convincing point LIC.
Well, I wasn\'t really making it up. I mean - a man was cloned and somehow a hand being on another guy makes him evil. I don\'t remember the whole thing. I just know it is plain retarded.
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Well, I wasn\'t really making it up. I mean - a man was cloned and somehow a hand being on another guy makes him evil. I don\'t remember the whole thing. I just know it is plain retarded.
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they explain this in mgs4. not going to explain what just incase you do you\'re wall-e thing
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i wonder if the handjob be the same anymore when someone\'s hand was grafted to his. handjob and cloning eh? sounds like its possible that they could go hand in hand together...
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With Unicron\'s new avatar, sometimes I get confused over whose posts I\'m reading.
He and LIC are too similar.
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I\'m sorry, but a story line does have to make sense. It\'s a friggin\' story. If a story doesn\'t make sense, then anyone could just write a bunch of jibberish.
I was was a solider.
I killed people, but those people came back to life.
One of them was a twin - who had sex with my mother.
That mother was a clone of my grandmother tho\'.
So now her spirit lives in my evil clones foot..becuase they..you know..had sex.
I have to fight them.
Because the arab people are evil and own weird robots.
See? That was a pointless story that made no sense. Much like Kojima\'s self masturbation.
What I love about the post-modern is how deceiving it can be. If you set a ridiculous storyline in a fantasy motif, the story can be accepted en masse. Someone might not like the fantastic nature of the game(s) because it\'s set in a realistic domain. But that\'s kind of the whole point.
This isn\'t a defense of MGS (or Kojima). If you don\'t like his work, you don\'t have to. If you don\'t like that it\'s ridiculous, you don\'t have to.
Videogames are a unique artform in that they can toy with a persons perception, their suspension of disbelief, better than any other artform. That\'s precisely what Kojima does; and he does it masterfully. Unfortunately, the post-modern turns a lot of people off. Something he\'s done masterfully, also. If you want a game steeped in realism to be realistic in every aspect, then obviously you won\'t appreciate MGS. Though, perhaps the original on PSX and MGS3 could be played favourably.
It\'s a shame, I suppose. Kojima\'s grandiloquence and his, yes, avant-guarde perversions have turned many people off the game. People tend to think he was trying to create a masterpiece, and ended up just having this bloviated piece of self-indulgence trying to make an allegorical statement. He was trying to create a masterpiece, but a post-modern masterpiece.
If you don\'t like the story, I hear the gameplay is still fantastic. :)
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No. The gameplay also is broken.
And videogames are not an art form. Far from it. I\'ve yet to play a game that makes me think about something. The closest would be a survival horror and the fear that a good one can instill in the player.
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It\'s one of the best games I\'ve ever played. Only thing missing is the ability to swing from a vine and shoot baddies with my little monkey friends.
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i have the controls mastered in my second playthrough and the game is infinitly better
there\'s a few mechanics that are stupid. like if the rebels kill 2 PMC\'s, and i kill one, they see that one and say "someone\'s here" and put people on alert. plus holding people up can be shoddy sometimes...i think the person can\'t be walking for it to work.
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I think video games are an art form.
ART
–noun
1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
Personally, I think almost ANYTHING can be art.
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They won\'t necessarily be art in the same way that a painting, or a movie, or a song, or poetry can be. But they are in a unique position of being art in all those ways, and many more. Usually not done to the same standard as what makes those artforms what they are, but to incorporate what makes that forms of art into a videogame is special.. even if it\'s a little trite in a sense.
Making a game that has fun gameplay is an artform. Super Mario Bros would be one of the best examples of videogames as an artform. As well as something like ICO. In their own unique ways.
We shouldn\'t have to discuss what art is. But oh well. :)
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When you reference ICO - is your point that all video game "art" sucks? Because that is all I can think of when I read the word ICO.....
:)
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As promised, my MGS4 review - incl. some spoilers, mostly gameplay related
MGS4 : Guns of the Patriots - Better than the sum of it\'s parts.
Gameplay
A snake theory
MGS1 & 2 were vintage \'Line-of-Sight\' stealth games. A very binary affair : either you\'re in sight or you\'re occluded from enemy sights by a wall for example. A twitch reaction control scheme provided
Snake with the ability to dash out of line of sight, supported by an overhead camera system to keep sight of where you\'d be running in case of sudden detection.
MGS3 broke with that tradition by means of a camouflage system ; a controlable variable between seen and unseen, even when the player is within the imaginary line of sight. MGS4 takes this blueprint and runs with it, providing a streamlined camouflage system - the automatic Octocamo suit camouflage system - this time, with a control / camera scheme & moves set which is tailored to sneak in & out of proximity
with slow paced precision.
Previews talked about Gears of War and GRAW influences, but imo that\'s BS. At the core of Snake\'s new control scheme I see hints of Splinter Cell Chaos Theory - but now it\'s Snake\'s theory ;
Big Boss had the \'stalk\' walking, but MGS4 isn\'t ashamed to implement a full crouch walk similair to SC, including stepless to running speed, plus a Solid Eye system for Night Vision mode.
In a way it\'s a more primitive version of Sam Fisher\'s core moves, minus the "Closer-than-ever" animation system (emphasized moves when closing into enemy proximity), and minus the motion blended animations as seen in contemporary 3rd person games such as Uncharted & Assassin\'s Creed. Yet, coupled with the free cam, the new system is Chaos Theory at base level - and that\'s not a bad thing at all : plenty of sneaking up on guards from behind then putting them into a choke hold down on the floor with that dense tension of getting caught by their little friends - and if you do get spotted, you can still turn the tide with CQC moves.
Non human enemies : Gekko\'s & Dwarf Gekko\'s. The big Gekko\'s are fun to fool around with, but unfortunately they don\'t pose such an enormous lethal threat as you\'d hope for. The small Dwarf Gekko\'s are a true nuisance though, if you don\'t have any chaff to scramble their sensors.
Furthermore, MGS4 adds diversity & utilitarianist multifuncionality, to that control scheme. Like SC Chaos Theory, there\'s the left side - right side shoulder gun switching and an array of wall & floor hugging moves ; to facilitate the Octocamo system. Two more moves deserve highlights ; the switch from prone on belly to prone on back and the inchworm move. At the tap of the triangle button Snake can switch from lying flat on his belly to flat on his back facing the sky ; very handy in case of a sudden enemy in proximity who hasn\'t yet detected you, instead of running away, which would mean instant alert status in that case. The inchworm move let\'s Snake progress very slowly while maintaining his Octomcamo efficiency.
So, the core moves are like Splinter Cell minus the ultra smooth motion captured animations or blending - but at least they flow well enough into each other and they still provide you with the functionality of twitch precision during boss fights. The only jarring omition is jumping : Snake still cannot jump up and grab a ledge in case enemies are closing in on him.This results in an artificial limitation where he still needs to find waiste high spots to climb up to higher plains out of enemy proximity.
The flow of evasion gameplay would feel alot more natural if Snake could jump up and grab a ledge and pull himself up instead of having to look around for waiste high spots. In a way, Snake\'s inability to jump is MGS4\'s set of \'invisible walls\'.
On top of that base layer control scheme / moves set, there\'s the new Drebin weapons shop system for weapons customizability. This helps Snake on the battefield to meet
his arms requirements in realtime, based upon the situation - No "what you find is what you\'ll use" Procure on Site procedure anymore, but instead you get to exchange all found weapons for the exact stuff you want.
The Psyche meter is similair to MGS3\'s Stamina meter : the more stress Snake suffers, the less accurate he\'ll be. To replenish the Psyche meter is not as straightforward as replenishing MGS3\'s Stamina meter. Keeping Snake away from extended heated battles, bright spot exposure and age insults, will prevent the psyche meter to deplete too much.
the course of the Snake
The game is devided up into 5 acts. All acts take place in different places with varying circumstances. Act 1 & 2 offer lots of enemy grabbing sneaking fun, mixed with potential battle participation. Act 2 includes the first boss fight which actually scared me a bit initially. Finally, act 2 ends with a high speed on rails shooting section, and then it finally ends after a quick rumble through a Gekko infused marketplace, dissolving into an ultra slick cutscene.
Act 3 changes pace dramatically, as you get to stalk someone in civilian ambiance, dressed as civilian. Yet, like many other games, there seems to be a curfue in place, resulting in rather desolated evening streets. After boss fight number 3 we get yet another on rails shooting section. Imo, that was really one on too many on rails, because by then, the game doesn\'t feel like a sneaking game anymore.
Enter Act 4 ; a marvelous return to the place where MGS started. Dubbed codec memories while exploring the now desolate Shadow Moses facility really bring back a heavy load of nostalgic emotions. This is where story narration and exploration gameplay mold into one immersive experience in a marvelous way. The downside of act 4 is that it doesn\'t contain any human enemies ; all (dwarf) Gekko\'s ; so, the fantastic CQC element gets thrown out of the window right there. Other than that, act 4 still provides some pretty nice sneaking thrills. Then it brings another boss fight and then the fight versus Vamp ; once you know how to take him down, you realize how ridiculously easy it is to get rid of him and it leaves you wondering how 1 syringe could have made such a huge difference in the MGS2 storyline.
After fending off a horde of kamikaze Gekko\'s you get to control Metal Gear Rex and fight the (anti) Metal Gear Ray. Controls were a bit clunky but i suppose that\'s fitting to such mech battles alike Xbox\' Tekki. The whole battle is integrated perfectly though and it looks and plays great.
Act 5 is the end of the road. It\'s first section does bring back some really nice sneaking action versus the Haven trooper guards and a coupla Gekko\'s. After that, it\'s shooting action, running action and a boss fight....and then it repeats again, but replacing a normal boss fight with a hand to hand fight versus Liquid Ocelot with the about same clunky controls as MGS1\'s fight on top of MG Rex. It does feature some neat quicktime actions though which trigger some really nice moves and Snake also delivers some cool roundhouse kicks. After that, you basically run towards the ending cutscene.
It took me about 23 hours to complete on first playthrough at Solid Normal level and I was awarded the title "Inchworm".
Graphics
MGS4\'s visuals are mostly very very pleasing except for a few let downs : in several indoor sections, Snake\'s character model doesn\'t feature self shadowing at all even when there\'s high contrast shadows to the floor from light through the window blinds or some strong indoor light bulb ;
this makes the Snake character model stick out like a sore thumb and it reminds me of the PS2 era where many PS2 game versions didn\'t feature self shadowing either because of the PS2\'s limited power, compared to Xbox. It also makes him look more \'flat\' because the effect of normal mapping also fades away in those indoor situations.
The character models, art direction and level design are all top notch stuff and especially act 2\'s mansion and act 4\'s Shadow Moses facility feature some of the slickest shaders I\'ve ever seen.
As I stated earlier, Snake\'s moves and motions are solid enough, but they don\'t come anywhere near modern animation blending in games. Enemy rag doll effects look very nice though and interaction with small objects such as vases and bowls breath more life into the environments.
Storyline plot and message
Snake\'s story draws you in pretty quickly and you get that feeling of urgency and the sad feeling that he doesn\'t have much time left anymore. Until the end of act 5, the cutscenes never felt too long and certainly not boring. Only the very end of the game features some cheezy parts
( The Meryl - Akiba thing and their wedding ) but imo that just shows that Kojima isn\'t taking himself too seriously. Just as you think that MGS2 already fullfilled the moral plotline, the final end of MGS4 delivers the driving force, the moral message of the game to the player and Kojima doesn\'t turn Snake into a romanticised marter.
Conclusion
Even though it took me 23 hours, the game felt a tad short, but i feel there\'s still enough replay value in it because the game is so vast and detailed. Furthermore, you can sense that contemporary Japanese game development is lagging behind the West a bit, but Kojima Productions
still manages to impress, except when it comes to animation blending and (the lack of) self shadowing on character models. But overall, MGS4 is a bit better as a total package than the mere sum of it\'s parts ; a very worthy end to the Solid saga.
I give MGS4 a 9.0 out of 10
All in all it\'s a Master piece for the Sony platform just like Ico although i consider that game truly subliminal.
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Did you post this in another forum?
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I posted it here first. After that, I submitted it as reader review at Eurogamer.net, which is still awaiting publishing approval.
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I wanted to read it, but it was way too long. Then I read the last sentence praising ICO and I realized that the review had to be complete crap, because ICO just plain sucked.
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How in the world could someone hate ICO?
That game was stunning.
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How in the world could someone hate ICO?
That game was stunning.
u sound suprised...
anyway, i never got around to playing ico. but i loved SotC
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u sound suprised...
anyway, i never got around to playing ico. but i loved SotC
Yeah yeah, its LIC, he hates everything that we love and eats babies as a pastime. Figured he\'d still appreciate it.
Anyway, I think i prefer ICO over SotC just due to the novelty of whole world they had created had started to wear by the time SotC came out. Both are beautiful games, but ICO was just so new and refreshing.
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I posted it here first. After that, I submitted it as reader review at Eurogamer.net, which is still awaiting publishing approval.
I think I ve read some very similar comments somewhere else. I am not sure where though.
I figured it could be you
Very nice written review though :thumb:
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u sound suprised...
anyway, i never got around to playing ico. but i loved SotC
Same here,...i really liked the concept of SoTc...it seemed so epic at times....and i didn\'t get around to reading knotters review... i did happen to skim over some parts and i think it\'s clear that knotter knows how to describe the game in magnificent detail...:thumb:
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I wanted to read it, but it was way too long. Then I read the last sentence praising ICO and I realized that the review had to be complete crap, because ICO just plain sucked.
Poser ! It\'s clear as day you read the whole review. It\'s not longer than any gaming website review or attention span has to be at ADHD level. Nobody\'s gonna read the last sentence first.
Besides, the review has some great arguments - in similair fashion I can tell you why the Ico game is a pinnacle game.
A \'suckage\' statement coming from you, is just your extremely stubborn biased opinion. Period. You rarely care to back up your this-sucks-that-sucks statements either. And when you try, it\'s incoherent babble alltogether.
Heck, I\'d say anything Sega Sadturn sucks... and it did, because it went down bigtime. Iron man game sucked and you bought into it. Nice !
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I also posted this a long time ago related to ICO.
[QuoteI didn\'t beat ICO today like I set out to do. There is just so much babysitting a dead looking princess I can take and I hit my limit tonight. Now, as much as I bag on ICO, I have to be fair. The game is gorgeous even by today\'s standards and I give credit to the developers for displaying the story in a different ways, instead of relying on a hundred , five mintue long cinema\'s (yes, I\'m talking about you Kojima). [/Quote]
ICO as a game sucked, in my humble opinion.
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So you need Penny Arcade to indirectly hint to us, you didn\'t have patience for Yorda\'s npc Ai or you found it to be plain bad ?
Let me tell you ; masses of games have worse co op npc Ai than Yorda from the Ico game. Besides, even if it was that bad (which it\'s NOT), it\'s missing the point of the game :
(for it\'s time) The Ico game features a robust array of hand animated true 3D movements - in contrast to many games which still rely on an imaginary 2D grid for translation/movement within the XYZ space. For it\'s time, it outdoes Assassin\'s Creed on the same merits.
The key is the combination of that true freedom of movement (customized to) with kinetic puzzles, which become clear via carefull observation & taking hints from Yorda, plus the use of environmental props to tackle the next obstacle (throwing bombs and using barrels as weights). There\'s no "stand exactly here to trigger a on the spot climb-over-crate animation" in Ico.
It\'s essential Yorda didn\'t speak Ico\'s language as it triggers the player to \'read\' her gestures (Yorda didn\'t want to jump ? Well, it\'s because she knew a better way to get to point B, because she knows the castle, the player doesn\'t.)
Having trouble with that ? Then probably, there\'s trouble reading the real world woman as well.
She had a bit of her own will, to get distracted by the birds, but that added a bit of feminine realism to her. At
least she didn\'t fell off cliffs nor stood in line of fire like the stupid swat team from any military shooter.
The observation of the environment tells the player the background story, each bizarre obstacle makes you wonder why the castle was built in that way and slowly you learn about the \'how & why\' the child sacrifices which the old society made, much like real world Aztec\'s did.
The puzzles of the castle are sub metaphores of the Ico story. At the end Yorda & Ico leave the manmade world (the castle) and re-enter paradise again (via the beach to the free woods). So, the game wraps up as a marvelous paradigm to the Adam & Eve story, in a reversed way.
Again, the core point is the free form true 3D moves set which integrate naturally into the very smart kinetic puzzles/level design.
Besides, my MGS4 review stands strong, regardless of me liking Ico - if you ty that together, claiming the review\'s crap ; that is failed \'logic\', a non rational underbelly feeling and going off topic. Weak.
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Got the bandana. Now it\'s time to do the No Alert run through. :)
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Uhm....anything else you might want to add knotter?....j/k...:D....i never got around to pickin\' up Ico, even tho i have heard some good things about it...i did make sure to pick up SotC tho & the last game i bought for my ps2 was ....don\'t laugh...Obscure2 *shudder*....i was really feenin\' for a survival horror game....:(
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So you need Penny Arcade to indirectly hint to us, you didn\'t have patience for Yorda\'s npc Ai or you found it to be plain bad ?
Let me tell you ; masses of games have worse co op npc Ai than Yorda from the Ico game. Besides, even if it was that bad (which it\'s NOT), it\'s missing the point of the game :
(for it\'s time) The Ico game features a robust array of hand animated true 3D movements - in contrast to many games which still rely on an imaginary 2D grid for translation/movement within the XYZ space. For it\'s time, it outdoes Assassin\'s Creed on the same merits.
The key is the combination of that true freedom of movement (customized to) with kinetic puzzles, which become clear via carefull observation & taking hints from Yorda, plus the use of environmental props to tackle the next obstacle (throwing bombs and using barrels as weights). There\'s no "stand exactly here to trigger a on the spot climb-over-crate animation" in Ico.
It\'s essential Yorda didn\'t speak Ico\'s language as it triggers the player to \'read\' her gestures (Yorda didn\'t want to jump ? Well, it\'s because she knew a better way to get to point B, because she knows the castle, the player doesn\'t.)
Having trouble with that ? Then probably, there\'s trouble reading the real world woman as well.
She had a bit of her own will, to get distracted by the birds, but that added a bit of feminine realism to her. At
least she didn\'t fell off cliffs nor stood in line of fire like the stupid swat team from any military shooter.
The observation of the environment tells the player the background story, each bizarre obstacle makes you wonder why the castle was built in that way and slowly you learn about the \'how & why\' the child sacrifices which the old society made, much like real world Aztec\'s did.
The puzzles of the castle are sub metaphores of the Ico story. At the end Yorda & Ico leave the manmade world (the castle) and re-enter paradise again (via the beach to the free woods). So, the game wraps up as a marvelous paradigm to the Adam & Eve story, in a reversed way.
Again, the core point is the free form true 3D moves set which integrate naturally into the very smart kinetic puzzles/level design.
Besides, my MGS4 review stands strong, regardless of me liking Ico - if you ty that together, claiming the review\'s crap ; that is failed \'logic\', a non rational underbelly feeling and going off topic. Weak.
Once again - that was way to long for me to bother reading, so I will sum it up with this.
Blah.Blah. Ico sucked.
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You can\'t read anything longer than a punchline obviously - You pussyfoot around yourself, avoiding having to make well thought out arguments yourself, by saying a couple paragraphs is too long for you. Yeah, real \'chicken\' easy way out & discussion incompetent.
Eventually, you still failed to argument yourself ; Penny friggin\' Arcade included.
Your stubborn bias sucks, not Ico. Discussion about that is now closed.
Many gamers seem to agree, that Ico\'s at the very least a good game and a special piece of contemporary media. Again, you\'re trolling & derailing the topic : MGS4 and it\'s reviews.
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Nice review Knotter8.
Dont worry about LIC, pretty sure he has DAMP. ;)
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You can\'t read anything longer than a punchline obviously - You pussyfoot around yourself, avoiding having to make well thought out arguments yourself, by saying a couple paragraphs is too long for you. Yeah, real \'chicken\' easy way out & discussion incompetent.
Eventually, you still failed to argument yourself ; Penny friggin\' Arcade included.
Your stubborn bias sucks, not Ico. Discussion about that is now closed.
Many gamers seem to agree, that Ico\'s at the very least a good game and a special piece of contemporary media. Again, you\'re trolling & derailing the topic : MGS4 and it\'s reviews.
Well, see, here is the thing. I don\'t need to write a huge essay about my point. I\'m more specfic. In my opinion, ICO and MGS4 are both piss poor games.
See - no essay. Just a simple direct to the point post.
Define trolling please. Trolling is not stating your opinion, no matter how unpopular it is. This thread does not say "MGS4 THREAD - NO NEGATIVE OPINIONS ALLOWED". Instead, it morphed into a topic about MGS4 and the varying opinions on it.
As for ICO, you brought it up and I said my opinion. You praised it and I didn\'t. However, who mentioned it first? You. So if anyone derailed, it was you (and even that I don\'t agree with). I am however amazed at how you are trolling. You want to pick apart my opinion, but only focus on the part you don\'t like. You don\'t make notice of where I compliment ICO. No, instead you whine and complain about how I am trolling because I thought ICO\'s whole babysitting a princess was completely boring and gay (and it was).
As for MGS4 gameplay. Stealth? Not needed. Every single review talks about how the stealth is almost an after thought on the normal difficulity. That is broken.. Forty minute cinemas for a nonsense story? Also broken. The entire time I played I just ran around shooting stuff. The soliders would die with one bullet - no big deal. I can deal with that crap, but I cannot and won\'t deal with some crappy story because the Producer / Director wants to jack himself off (Z.O.E - good example...Z.0.E 2 rocked tho\'!)
In closing...Both suck. Sorry that it upsets you. They are not some form of art. They\'re a friggin\' videogame.
Heck, I\'d say anything Sega Sadturn sucks... and it did, because it went down bigtime. Iron man game sucked and you bought into it. Nice !
Don\'t confuse quality with crap. If you had a clue you would realize that the Saturn and Dreamcast both were some of the greatest systems ever. Instead, you enjoy playing crap like ICO and MGS4. I guess there is no accounting for taste around here.;)
Iron Man, hmmm... Will you guys give it a break? I saw the Iron Man movie. I wanted to play Iron Man. I bought Iron Man. Big whoop! Oh no - LIC BOUGHT A CRAPPY GAME. STOP THE PRESS. THIS IS HEADLINING NEWS!!
With concern of the babbling.You\'re taking the crown on that one with all these reviews and nonsense about how ICO has this "adam and eve" moment and other blah..blah..zzzzz..blah..zz..blah crap.
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Well, see, here is the thing. I don\'t need to write a huge essay about my point. I\'m more specfic. In my opinion, ICO and MGS4 are both piss poor games.
See - no essay. Just a simple direct to the point post.
Define trolling please. Trolling is not stating your opinion, no matter how unpopular it is. This thread does not say "MGS4 THREAD - NO NEGATIVE OPINIONS ALLOWED". Instead, it morphed into a topic about MGS4 and the varying opinions on it.
As for ICO, you brought it up and I said my opinion. You praised it and I didn\'t. However, who mentioned it first? You. So if anyone derailed, it was you (and even that I don\'t agree with).
BS. Ico talks from others and yourself were already in there before i even posted my MGS4 review.
About the trolling ; you trolled my review. I corrected you, for bashing it without any sane reason.
I never said you can\'t have your opinion about MGS4 in this thread. Apples & oranges, dude. You were trolling my review.
Again ; no argument = NO point, a non argument. All you can, is throwing radio snippet punchlines.
\'Essays\' hahaha... then movie synopses must look like mega essays to you. No wonder you like picture comic books.
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BS. Ico talks from others and yourself were already in there before i even posted my MGS4 review.
About the trolling ; you trolled my review. I corrected you, for bashing it without any sane reason.
I never said you can\'t have your opinion about MGS4 in this thread. Apples & oranges, dude. You were trolling my review.
Again ; no argument = NO point, a non argument. All you can, is throwing radio snippet punchlines.
\'Essays\' hahaha... then movie synopses must look like mega essays to you. No wonder you like picture comic books.
Well, you mean other than the fact your review sucked?
You can take personal attacks against me. It doesn\'t bother me. I stand my ground. Both games suck and your review therefor sucks. Don\'t like it? Oh well. Write another sucky post for me to glance over and decide it is too much trouble to bother reading.
I simply said it was too long for me to read and I noticed an ICO praise and lost interest right there. What\'s your point? I read reviews from people who have the same taste as me. You like ICO - you obviously don\'t have the same taste as me (aka good taste) therefor I can\'t be bothered to read your review.
Cry some more, please. Someone didn\'t want to read your review and made a comment. OH NO. END OF WORLD. Knotter wants to debate on IF his review sucks and how good ICO is.
Well...
ICO sucks.
Your review was too long.
I win.
Move on, silly person.
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On a side note, if you want to write a review and not sound like a 13 year old kid, please refrain from using internet lingo and at least try to spell check.
And for the record, LIC AND knotter have shitty taste.
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please refrain from using internet lingo
Where in the review is it ?
Someone didn\'t want to read your review and made a comment.
If you didn\'t read it properly (i.e. glance over) then your comment is non valid. Dismissing it on taste difference = non valid too. Period.
Your motto \'Other taste than yours = worse\' ? Narrow. End of world ? Far from it. Lic is just too concerned about his internet ego, that\'s all.
You lost all the time.
Child.
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Where in the review is it ?
If you didn\'t read it properly (i.e. glance over) then your comment is non valid. Dismissing it on taste difference = non valid too. Period.
Your motto \'Other taste than yours = worse\' ? Narrow. End of world ? Far from it. Lic is just too concerned about his internet ego, that\'s all.
You lost all the time.
Child.
What time?
My posts take no time to write.
You write huge nonsense posts.
I write my posts at work - so if anything, mine are out of boredom.
Yippie!
Nothing I said wasn\'t valid. I mean, it\'s just simple facts. You have crappy taste and I don\'t.
Your review sucks.
Mine didn\'t.
Your review was long winded and pointless.
Mine was direct. ICO and MGS4 suck.
You\'re dumb.
I\'m smart.
See how this works?
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See how this works?
It doesn\'t.
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Where in the review is it ?
If you didn\'t read it properly (i.e. glance over) then your comment is non valid. Dismissing it on taste difference = non valid too. Period.
Your motto \'Other taste than yours = worse\' ? Narrow. End of world ? Far from it. Lic is just too concerned about his internet ego, that\'s all.
You lost all the time.
Child.
"Previews talked about Gears of War and GRAW influences, but imo that\'s BS."
If you just want to review for a bunch of forum posters i\'ve got nothing against your review, but its way too damn informal to be published in anything "credible". Just my two cents.
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Phil is right, man. It\'s way too informal to be published in anything credible. Like he said, if this was just intended as a forum review, more power to you.
And don\'t take it personally with LIC. It\'s his job to sprinkle negativity and bad taste on everything.
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"Previews talked about Gears of War and GRAW influences, but imo that\'s BS."
If you just want to review for a bunch of forum posters i\'ve got nothing against your review, but its way too damn informal to be published in anything "credible". Just my two cents.
It was indeed meant as a forum review. Still, it has valid arguments about things like control - animation systems etc. which alot of \'professional\' reviews
lack - regardless of the internet lingo.
Plus, magazines were the ones comparing the shoulder switch aim and crouched walked to Graw and GOW. I merely state my disagreement with them on that point.
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I think he chose that quote because you used imo and bs in the sentence.
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^^^^
Bingo
Oh and the general gamer is going to give two craps about where the walking animation came from. You care because you work in the field, but honestly, nobody else does. If the review was cleaned up and a little more formal i could see it going somewhere like CG society, but never a gaming magazine or site.
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Invisibility rocks. I\'m a regular Jack the Ripper.
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I\'m loving this Game, going to finish Act 4. Just bought MGS4 three weeks ago but after Act 1 I left for a 7 days holiday and few days ago started playing again. Great game, spectacular, emotional ; Great graphics and solid :D game-play. Almost every time I finish something, I play again when I\'m not satisfied, just to finish in the best possible way, very clean and precise. I want this game to last. Final comments when I finish the Game in every way :)
Who\'s still playing MGS4 ?
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been taking a break from it. havent been up for a third time of the game. plus the majority of the emblems i have left are run and gun type of emblems, which i dont find as fun as sneaking around
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Just finished MGS4, and playing again at Big Boss Extreme, beautiful Game, one of the best I have ever played.
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Wifey just purchased this for my b-day yesterday....I haven\'t played it, but overall i heard that the game, while good is a bit underwhelming...still i want to see some of the answers that sons of liberty left unanswered.
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Wow...I\'am really impressed with this one...i know alot of people give this game some heat because of the cutscenes, but i\'m really enjoying them,...i still trying to get a hang of the controls and the addition of the rebels actually have made the game a bit easier for me...:p..(i always end up helping them out)...i just got past the point where.......SPOILER...........you rescue naomi....and she\'s teh sexay!!...:D...and kojima is a bit of a perv...the camera angle after you defeat that octapus enemy has the camera virtually lookin\' up her coochie and you can even see the print of it...:p...or maybe i\'m looking too hard?....:D...anyway absolute fantastic game...
One last thing, why do those machines make cow sounds? and what\'s even more weird is that in that scene were raiden is fighting those things why are these machines spilling blood?....that\'s a bit hokey, i know this game revolves around military weapons, but if kojima actually wanted to create some bio-creatures, i think there\'s enough room in the storyline for him to have done that,..robots spilling blood, in the sense that he was trying to do here, seems a bit silly...still it\'s a great game and the production values are thru the roof...
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Fantastic game.
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Just finished 2nd act at Big Boss extreme; I\'m enjoying the Game more, more challenging, and I\'m noticing a lot of things I didn\'t notice the first time I played.
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Finally finished the game...and what a great send off for snake....there\'s really incredible production values found in this game. I liked how they took the game back to to the psx era in certain areas and they gave a nod to alot of the other previous titles before it, and there were alot of nostalgia(spel)...moments throughout the game.
I also *gasp* actually enjoyed the storyline..in previous titles i felt like i was playing" the adventures of solid snake in metal gear"....but within this title, i truly felt that the story was waay bigger than snake and that he only played a small role in it. I\'m not quite sure i\'d give it a ten, but it\'s pretty darn close...my score...9.7...:fro:
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Incredible Game, 10 from me.
And clips is more than right, naomi is tooo sexy! lucky Emmerich :D
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dude, knock it off. There\'s no reason for you to keep repeating the same sentence everytime someone comments on a game....
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[size=+1]New MGO Bomb mission![/size]
The Bomb Mission has defenders stop explosions while attackers try to make explosions. A bit like Jack Bauer and whatever terrorists are in fashion at the time of writing, we lose track.
Attackers must plant bombs at prescribed locations and protect them by sticking around until they blow up.
Defenders, on the other hand, need to stop the attackers getting to their target or nullify the bomb with coolant spray.
The Bomb Mission arrives amidst the Rookie Campaign for Metal Gear Online. This rewards newcomers with thousands of in-game points to spend on crocodile hats, afro wigs and camouflage suits.
Only those who have never registered or installed the online multiplayer accompaniment to Metal Gear Solid 4 will be eligible for the 5000 point giveaway, and the offer closes on 16th February.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/new-mgo-bomb-mission-next-week
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Hello everyone - I’m excited to announce details of the new Metal Gear Online SCENE Expansion pack! Coming in March, there will be tons of new content to keep old and new players alike entertained: new maps, special characters, new gear, and of course a couple surprises.
First, I’m excited to announce that now, in order to make the SCENE Expansion more accessible, players will be able to use their PayPal account, along with their PlayStation Network Wallet, if they so choose, to purchase the SCENE Expansion.
For those players that want to get a head start on the action and pre-order SCENE through Metal Gear Online’s in-game shop or Konami’s shop, there’s a special gift in store. Once the pre-order period starts, one week before the release date, all players who pre-order SCENE will receive a special “cardboard man” head gear for free. It should definitely provide ample cover for any bad hair day.
Now for the stuff I know you all are most excited about, the new maps and characters!
The first new map is Outer Outlet, an all new environment that takes place in a commercial mall area made up of lots of buildings and subterranean areas. Multiple floors with openings onto the areas above and below will offer many unique vantage points from which to stage the action, while the décor will provide plenty of unexpected places to seek cover. It should be ideal for medium to long range battles.
Second is Hazard House, set in a huge three story mansion – a take on the one seen from Act II of the MGS4 single player game. Lots of doors, hallways, and blind corners, will make for intense claustrophobic combat.
Third is Ravaged Riverfront – a take on the Eastern European environment from Act III of the MGS4 single player game - with a large clock tower surrounded by lots of underground and underwater areas. Lots of clear space, perfect for long range attacks.
SCENE will also bring two long awaited, much requested, special characters to MGO – Raiden and Vamp, both with impressive special abilities and offensive power to spare! First is Vamp, knife-expert extraordinaire. You may be able to defeat him once, but that’s no guarantee he won’t be back for more! Second is Raiden, whose appearance belies his extraordinary skill and agility in combat. They are formidable opponents, or one of them can be a great ally to have on your team. Yes, you will indeed be able to have a multiplayer battle between Raiden and Vamp, which is a fun as it looks! More specifics about their abilities will be revealed soon!
Next week, we will be releasing a trailer for SCENE on the PlayStation Network and the PlayStation Blog, so please look out for that. There’s even more on the way with the SCENE Expansion – stay tuned to the PlayStation Blog in the coming weeks for more details!
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/02/18/metal-gear-online-%E2%80%93-scene-expansion-details/
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[size=+1]Konami Seeks Metal Gear Staff[/size]
March 9, 2009 - Once again providing confirmation that Metal Gear Solid didn\'t end at part 4, Konami has posted a job listing at a Japanese recruitment site seeking staff for new Metal Gear projects.
Posted on Friday, the job listing states that Konami is hiring a large number of staff for "new developments" in the Metal Gear series. The listing makes mention of both mobile and consumer entries (consumer refers to consoles and portables rather than PC, arcades, and mobile devices).
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/960/960343p1.html
Please give me MGS5 on PS3 ! Please !
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[size=+2]Rumor: Metal Gear Solid 5 Revealed At or Before E3![/size]
According to a rumor in the latest issue of PlayStation: The Official Magazine (Issue # 018), Metal Gear Solid 5 will be announced by Konami some time in April or May. We personally think that such a major announcement would be better suited for E3, but we’d like to think PTOM knows what they are talking about.
Speculation suggests a prequel (to Metal Gear Solid 4)featuring Raiden and how he became a Cyborg Ninja, and managed to save Sunny from the Patriots, or a squad based game featuring the newly formed FOXHOUND team being led by Meryl.
PTOM also notes that MGS5 might not be directed by Kojima, but he would probably be involved in some way. They also go on to say that Kojima might have his hands full working on Max Savage, a game that was originally a dream sequence Big Boss had in MGS3.
E3 is only a few months away, so this rumored announcement may be coming much sooner than later.
http://playstationlifestyle.net/2009/03/13/rumor-metal-gear-solid-5-revealed-at-or-before-e3/
Please !!!!!!!!!!! Give me MGS 5 !!!!