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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: clips on May 23, 2008, 09:04:41 AM
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Maybe i shouldn\'t think like this when i\'m tired as hell....but i was up in the new york/new jerz area this past weekend and even today as i was coming home from work,....it just seems like the way we are,..this system we are in is just a constant absolute,...work/ home/eat/sleep repeat...and when i see folks driving to work in a rush or just doing what they always do,..it seems like we as a race are no more different than worker ants maintaining the colony,..as if we are all nothing but a bunch of mindless drones...sometimes it seems as if life is a big-ass joke...
Not saying that none of us have a life after work, but it just seems that way when i see people in the morning prepare for that rat race...and it\'s ultimately for the almighty dollar,..which is nothing more than printed paper, and who put the monetary value on things such as gold or silver?,...how is it, that particular item has some type of value to it?... because somebody said for it to be true?....those diamonds that are in say africa are worth millions, yet to the native folk there, they mean nothing,...so who actually defined the value of such things?
I know some of what i say is you get what you pay for and that some items are actually made better than others,...but say for instance certain paintings that are woth millions, compared to a painting that my 4 yr old daughter could make with a similar outcome,...who puts the value on such rhetoric and how is it legitimate?.....i know this topic sounds crazy but this is what happens when you\'ve worked 12 hour shifts and tired as hell and the mind is thinking about crazy s**t.....thoughts?.....
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i always think about this. its the main reason im not looking foreward to graduating in the next few years...im more shooting towards graduation so i have time to go to italy
anyway, its a double edge sword. if you don\'t do it, you cant provide for your family or live comfortable. but you also don\'t enjoy that daily grind of life
i need to marry rich..
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Life sucks.
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The answer?
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No way... I say stick it out no matter how unhappy you are. Thats real men do.
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But you\'ll never be as happy as the yellow ones.
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as beautiful as this world is, there are a lot of things in life that could make even the strongest person collapse in despair and weak. There are also a lot of confusing things in this world too.
Its like ying/yang thing. The saying is true for pretty much all people, "you get the good, you get the bad, you get the facts of life". Some people get more bad than other and some people some are worse than other.
Why do life has so many issues is something that I also questioned too.
Despite all that, I must say that I am very lucky that I am still alive, and live in a much better country than any other countries. There are many more people that are much poorer, starve, and live in condition way worse than we are. So, I feel really honor to live in America.
So, I tried not to complain about obstacles that I face in life when there are other people living in much worser shape and condition than I am. It\'s hard.
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But you\'ll never be as happy as the yellow ones.
That depends on what kinda drugs you take.
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And this is the reason I do like my job. I get three or four days of a week, plenty of vacation and can even volunteer to take off when I want. Also make enough money to support my family and enjoy my toys.
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Well we cant all be pimps Raz.
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I wish I could be Lic\'s hoe.
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I bet he doesn\'t pay very much.
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And this is the reason I do like my job. I get three or four days of a week, plenty of vacation and can even volunteer to take off when I want. Also make enough money to support my family and enjoy my toys.
what exactly DO you do?
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what exactly DO you do?
Press Tech II.
Help run a crew of five on a Harris 1-000BE press where we match customer specs for high profile titles such as \'Vanity Fair\', \'Game Informer\', \'The New Yorker\' and a bunch of other stuff. Started out as just a factory job, but I kept getting promoted and now I\'m on contract. Get a raise every six months until I top out here in about year \'n\' half and then I\'ll be certified and can go anywhere I want.
Work 12 hour shifts, work three, off four. Every other week I work four (the fourth day is automatic overtime).
On an average 12 hour work night, I do about two hours of actual work. The rest of the time I either surf the \'net, listen to music or watch DVD\'s on the lap top.
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I don\'t know if I could do the 12 hour shift thing. My wife is starting to work 4 - 10 hour days and even that sounds like hell.
The days off must be nice, but man, those are some looooong days.
Usually at about the 6 hour mark I\'m ready to pull my hair out.
I do tech support though... so. You know. People are aggravating.
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Big difference there. I deal with customers who can be extremely aggravating, but I\'ll deal with anything to get those days off. I\'d rather just get all my work done within a few days, instead of doing it over the course of five days.
The worst part about my job is the swing shift. Every six weeks I switch. Right now I work Monday - Wednesday nights, here in a week, I\'ll work Wednesday - Saturday day shift, 7 am - 7pm.
Right now I go back Sunday night, get off at 7:00 am. Will be off Monday for the holiday then I work Tuesday and Wednesday night and then should be off for seven days, come back and work Wednesday - Saturday day shift for the next six weeks.
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See thats just confusing.
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Life is so repetitive it\'s nuts. I\'m so glad I don\'t go to a 9-5 job any more. Only trade off is I end up working many many more hours now. Ever since I bought a camera and an edit suite I feel like I work about 22 hours a day. It drives me nuts. Nice that I don\'t have to always travel to work now though.
Guess I didn\'t tell you guys I bought a camera. I bought this camera with a 4.5 wide angle lens and the AVC intra card. Man it\'s so nice.
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=103537&catGroupId=15768&surfModel=AJ-HPX2000
Set me back a tremendous amount of money, but I should have everything paid off by this time next year. Fingers crossed. Then it\'s money in the bank.
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I want to be a pimp and whore all you faggots out.
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10-bit 4:2:2 images
BTW Big Baller Video..........!?!?!
Lemme borrow a few C-NOTES!
;)
Hope everything works outs for you. Seems like a fantastic investment if you can lift off.
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I try not to make my life revolve around money but its so hard not to. I\'m unemployed right now looking for a job for the summer. I need it because even though I want to go out and have fun with my friends before I graduate and get into the routines you guys always talk about, I still have to go to work and get myself into a routine. Last summer, I worked and saw my girlfriend. That was it. Then sunday\'s I\'d hang with a group of my friends. This summer, I wake up, eat, hang out at home and then go out with friends at night. So even though I\'m trying to live life freely, I\'m still in a routine. That\'s only gonna get more routine when I finally get my job this summer. Life is one big routine.
Raz, your days off must be great though when you can spend a lot of time with your kids.
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10-bit 4:2:2 images
BTW Big Baller Video..........!?!?!
Lemme borrow a few C-NOTES!
;)
Hope everything works outs for you. Seems like a fantastic investment if you can lift off.
C-Note? Ah shit.. I\'m going to be poor for a while with this purchase. But holy shit does it make beautiful pictures.
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Do what you like. It feels good to be part of a team and that you\'re contributing something useful to it.
If your work environment sucks throw your resume on Monster. It\'s what I did and now I start a new job in June.
Life is too short to spend 40+ hours every week doing something you hate.
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I don\'t really hate what i do...i actually like what i do....i was just sayin\' how people are in general when it came to working...*thus the mindless drones comment*..for me once i start my nightly backups on our computer systems, the rest of the night i\'m on cruise control,...unless a server drops off or a program bombs...
It just seem like we live in a system of have and have nots,...i think i fall somewhere in between of not really having everything, but also not having very little either...i guess it\'s just the state of the economy i\'m lookin\' at....it just seems like folks are one paycheck away from losin\' their house or car...i\'m still maintaining,..as a matter of fact i just received a nice raise a few days ago so i\'m in a better position than most but,...idk,...these gas prices keep going up on a daily basis and nothing is being done about it...
I don\'t want to turn this into a political thread, but i think if the u.s. released some of it\'s reserves to ease the pain at the pumps for awhile, it might also give a small boost to the economy.
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Problem is some of the reserves aren\'t even tapped yet (like Alaska) and may take years to set everything up.
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I think he\'s talking about the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which is a supply of crude oil that has already been extracted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve)
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Seems kind of pointless because if they release those, it says at most it will have a 160 day supply at 4.4 million barrels a day at maximum extraction rate. That\'s really not a lot compared to how much we use in the US every day (like 9.2 million barrels) I only see it as a temporary solution but these gas prices are here to stay. It just doesn\'t make sense to me since it won\'t last even a year. Help yes but not for long.
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Seems kind of pointless because if they release those, it says at most it will have a 160 day supply at 4.4 million barrels a day at maximum extraction rate. That\'s really not a lot compared to how much we use in the US every day (like 9.2 million barrels) I only see it as a temporary solution but these gas prices are here to stay. It just doesn\'t make sense to me since it won\'t last even a year. Help yes but not for long.
Hmmm...that\'s interesting....there\'s this commercial that\'s been on tv recently down here..*not sure if it\'s a georgia thing or universal commercial*...but there was this lady talking about new sources of energy and i heard her say that we have enough reserves to power the country for 60 years....but according to what you just stated, that clearly is not the case...if the reserves won\'t even last a year,..then yea..i say it\'s not worth it...
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Hmmm...that\'s interesting....there\'s this commercial that\'s been on tv recently down here..*not sure if it\'s a georgia thing or universal commercial*...but there was this lady talking about new sources of energy and i heard her say that we have enough reserves to power the country for 60 years....but according to what you just stated, that clearly is not the case...if the reserves won\'t even last a year,..then yea..i say it\'s not worth it...
I\'ve heard reserves speak of different things. I\'ve heard of reserves being the stuff we have in the tanks. I\'ve also heard it said in oil wells we haven\'t tapped yet. Even 60 years really isn\'t a long time if they are talking about tapping the fields that haven\'t been tapped yet. We should tap those I feel for a short term solution but we need to be setting up a structure now of a new energy source like ethanol and biodiesel. Right now, the structure for these new fuels is not in place and that alone may take 60 years. I mean shit, look how much corn has gone up. Corn is in so much stuff that we eat and use every day you don\'t even realize it. Almost all foods we consume have some corn product. Now they are taking some of the supply to be made in ethanol and that\'s hurting our economy more. Things will be put in place I feel but its gonna take time.
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To the OP:
Good. You\'re thinking outside the box.
Unfortunately so many people just... can\'t.
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Is he tho\'? Or is he simply thinking that he is thinking outside of the box?!!?!
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On the subject of oil, do you cats think that at some point that we will be using the oil resources faster than what the earth itself can create?....i\'ve been reading that it\'s all cost/demand that causes the rise in oil,...but it\'s also the low value of the u.s. dollar,...people speculating on wall st, and now some folks are sayin\' China and other up and coming industrialized countries are to blame,...newsfolks have even stated that u.s. oil consumption has actually dropped by 2% yet gas prices are still soaring...
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i dont think oil can be created. what\'s here is here, and has always been here. hence why prices go up no matter how much we try to save because we\'re always lowering the amount of it, hence raising demand, hence raising prices.
interesting random factoid: helium is like oil and we\'re going to run out of it eventually since the earth can\'t keep it in its atmosphere. we actually have places that we store helium.
annywayy..i still say there is already a car that can run on water but the oil companies buy their silence...same deal with tire industries and tires that don\'t wear out
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Hmm...i was always under the impression that the earth slowly continues to create this crude...i\'ll have to research that...not saying you\'re wrong, but it\'s a little scary if that is indeed true.
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i dont think oil can be created. what\'s here is here, and has always been here. hence why prices go up no matter how much we try to save because we\'re always lowering the amount of it, hence raising demand, hence raising prices.
interesting random factoid: helium is like oil and we\'re going to run out of it eventually since the earth can\'t keep it in its atmosphere. we actually have places that we store helium.
annywayy..i still say there is already a car that can run on water but the oil companies buy their silence...same deal with tire industries and tires that don\'t wear out
Do some research homeboy.
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why do research when you can be proven wrong, i always say
was just under the impression that it was that way since everyone says we\'re going to run out in x amount of years. and if that\'s the case than we are using it faster than the earth produces it like clips hypothesized
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Hmm...i was always under the impression that the earth slowly continues to create this crude...i\'ll have to research that...not saying you\'re wrong, but it\'s a little scary if that is indeed true.
It took millions of years to create crude. Earth does create crude oil. But it does not create it fast enough to reach the rate of consumption.
Here is what could happen and this may affect also the food supply. Oil supply is expected to be reduced, and on top of that its prices are deliberately inflated by the market (above the supply demand intersection). There is also a simultaneous effort to reduce environmental destruction which worries the global community extremely thus there are efforts to find an alternative source of energy. This is related to energy consumption and food supply.
Today we are told that the food supply gets harder to satisfy the needs of humanity and a food crisis is expected.
Then there is the introduction of bio diesel. Bio diesel is a superb opportunity for profits if this becomes the energy source of tomorrow. But when I asked a research company about it I was told that a vast size of land is needed.
Taking into consideration our need for alternative source of energy and for increased supply of food, opportunistic behavior from the agriculture sector may shift many farmers from food production towards the production of bio diesel. Which if happens will increase the food crisis. Assuming that bio diesel does become the choice of energy for the future ofcourse
These are indeed fears expressed for this possibility and it is believed that this will also be partially provoked deliberately since huge food corporations that create food patents through bioengineering can get large profits from bioengineerly mutated food that is easier and less costy to produce in large quantities.
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In order to make enough bio diesel for the united states. We\'d have to move everyone east of Texas and all land west of Texas would be used for corn. Bio diesel is a joke. And not only that, but what about feed corn? We just going to forget about the cows?
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Is Bush in touch with the gas prices???...:confused:.....he\'s such an idiot!!...:D
http://www.jokeroo.com/funnyvideos/bush_doesnt_know_price_of_gas.html
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ahahahahaha. At least that he said that a while ago and not within the past couple weeks.
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gas is already 4.45 here
could he be any more stupider? (sarcasm intended)
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He doesnt care anyways. All he cares about are his interests and the interests of his own. He is just not smart enough to be in touch with the world to cover it.
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"That\'s interesting."
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Is Bush in touch with the gas prices???...:confused:.....he\'s such an idiot!!...:D
http://www.jokeroo.com/funnyvideos/bush_doesnt_know_price_of_gas.html
That is why the democrats in congress blocked a vote for allowing off shore drilling. The same thing they have been doing for a decade. Sure it will take 7 years or so for it to make an impact, but the Democrats in Congress have opposed this since it was proposed. Fuck the tree huggers.
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That is why the democrats in congress blocked a vote for allowing off shore drilling. The same thing they have been doing for a decade. Sure it will take 7 years or so for it to make an impact, but the Democrats in Congress have opposed this since it was proposed. Fuck the tree huggers.
But there\'s no trees off shore :confused:
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Make them hug sea urchins - you like that better?
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That is why the democrats in congress blocked a vote for allowing off shore drilling. The same thing they have been doing for a decade. Sure it will take 7 years or so for it to make an impact, but the Democrats in Congress have opposed this since it was proposed. Fuck the tree huggers.
Yeah..i\'ve heard that,...in a sense i kinda agree that they shouldn\'t if the risk to marine life is extremely high,...but i\'ve heard that china is already aggresively pursuing off water drilling very close to u.s. waters,...and with the way this gas thing is going, i agree that it is time to take another look at that option.
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China is not drilling offshore The Chinese have an onshore agreement with Cuba and offshore they have been doing seismic testing.
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This is not true, Clips is correct the Cubans and the Chinese are drilling 60 miles off of Key West.
A fact that has been brought up quite a few times lately is that during Katrina, not one oil rig in the Gulf had any problems. Not one leak. Those rigs also attract marine life because they are sort of an artificial reef for that life.
Countries like Norway, Denmark and Holland are aggressively drilling off shore and those countries are very "green". They don\'t have accidents and all of the above goes to show that drilling technology has vastly improved over the past decade to make it safe for the environment.
There is no reason we shouldn\'t be tapping the reserves we have both offshore and onshore. Unless the governments grand plan is to suck the rest of world dry by paying through the roof to import oil and then use our own when they run out - to me that is a stretch.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/567156.html
"WASHINGTON -- With gas topping $4 a gallon, some Republicans are pointing to Cuba once again to bolster their case that the U.S. should be drilling along Florida\'s coastline.
The claim: China has Cuban leases to drill for oil -- miles from the Florida shore.
Even Vice President Dick Cheney got into the mix Wednesday, telling the U.S. Chamber of Commerce that ``oil is being drilled right now 60 miles off the coast of Florida. We\'re not doing it. The Chinese are in cooperation with the Cuban government.
\'\'Even the communists have figured out that a good answer to high prices is more supply,\'\' he added. ``Yet Congress has said . . . no to drilling off Florida.\'\'
But industry experts and other observers say there is zero evidence that China is drilling in Cuban waters, and doesn\'t even hold a lease to drill offshore.
\'\'China is not drilling in Cuba\'s Gulf of Mexico waters, period,\'\' said Jorge Piñon, an energy expert at the University of Miami\'s Center for Hemispheric Policy.
Rising gas prices are prompting renewed efforts to open Florida waters to drilling, and the specter of oil-thirsty China slurping up nearby reserves is helping to fuel the push: In recent days, House Republican leaders have penned newspaper opinion pieces making the claim.
`DEBUNKING THE MYTH\'
The renewed efforts prompted Florida Sen. Mel Martinez, who opposes drilling off Florida\'s coast, to take to the Senate floor Wednesday to -- as his office put it -- \'\'debunk the myth\'\' of China drilling in Cuban waters.
\'\'Reports to the contrary are simply false,\'\' Martinez said, his remarks delivered just before Cheney spoke. ``They are akin to urban legends. China drilling off the coast of Cuba only 60 miles from the Keys, that is not taking place. . . Any talk of using some fabricated Cuba-China connection as an argument to change U.S. policy has no merit.\'\'
House Minority Leader John Boehner\'s office defended the GOP drilling claims, pointing to a 2006 New York Times story that noted Cuba had ``negotiated lease agreements with China and other energy-hungry countries to extract resources.\'\'
\'\'The fact is China can drill off the coast of the United States and Americans can\'t,\'\' said Boehner spokesman Michael Steel. ``At a time when the nationwide average price for a gallon of gas is over $4, that policy just doesn\'t make sense.\'\'
The latest effort to bring drilling closer to Florida\'s shores by lifting a decades-old ban on gas and oil exploration along the outer continental shelf was rapidly defeated Wednesday in a House subcommittee meeting along partisan lines. Democrats on the panel said the measure was \'\'unnecessary\'\' because most of the known reserves along the coast are already open for drilling. Committee Chairman Rep. Norm Dicks, a Washington state Democrat, noted that the Bush administration, too, opposes lifting the ban.
PUSHING THE MEASURE
But Rep. John Peterson, a Pennsylvania Republican, said he plans to keep pushing the measure, which would allow drilling 50 miles beyond the shoreline.
Florida\'s congressional delegation remains staunchly opposed to offshore drilling, and Martinez noted the delegation had reached a compromise in December 2006 to give up eight million acres in the Gulf of Mexico in exchange for the state getting at least a 125-mile buffer zone from drilling.
Piñon, who supports oil and gas exploration, said he met with several congressional offices Wednesday about the China-Cuba connection. He said he told them: \' `If you guys want to use this as a scare tactic to lift the moratorium on drilling off the west coast of Florida, at least be factual, be correct.\' They didn\'t do their homework.\'\'
China\'s Sinopec oil company does have an agreement with the Cuban government to develop onshore resources west of Havana, Piñon said. The Chinese have done some seismic testing, he said, but no drilling. Western diplomats in Havana told McClatchy that to the best of their knowledge there is no Chinese drilling offshore.
Cuba\'s state oil company, Cupet, has issued exploration contracts to companies from India, Canada, Spain, Malaysia and Norway. But many oil companies from those countries have expressed reservations about how to turn potential crude oil into product. Cuba doesn\'t have the refinery capacity, and the biggest potential market -- the U.S. -- is off limits because of the trade embargo."
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blame the hippie liberals.
they won\'t let us build new refineries, oil drilling platforms, or even a damn nuclear power plant without crying their eyes out.
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Ok I stand corrected - but inevitably it will happen...
... China is seeking oil everywhere and Cuba is no exception. Three large Chinese companies, SINOPEC, Petro China and CINOOC - China National Offshore Corporation, are involved in a large agreement, perhaps already underway, for coastal and deep-water explorations. Most significant to this topic, especially in light of other Chinese investment in Cuba, is the fact that Sinopec, China\'s second largest oil company, has stated a goal of helping boost Cuba\'s domestic oil production and producing 60% of its oil needs by 2006 ... Additional plans for exploration and development of other blocs of potential reserves were announced by two other Chinese oil companies, China National Petroleum Corp. and China National Offshore Oil Corp., after talks with CUPET, Cuba Petroleum. Some exploration will be in coastal regions but much, based on the better quality of the oil, will take place in off-shore deep waters.
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blame the hippie liberals.
they won\'t let us build new refineries, oil drilling platforms, or even a damn nuclear power plant without crying their eyes out.
If it was up to them, we would all be living in huts fornicating with animals.
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Don\'t knock it till you\'ve tried it Titan. Ask Unicorn.
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Thats Unicron. And yes I am a hippie and live in a hut :p
Jokes aside I ve seen someone living with simple means like a hippie but had a happier life than us.
Regardless we should remember that as long as there are lots of money involved the consequences will be underestimated or ignored unless these consequences are translated to money losses.
My father knows someone who worked at a nuclear power station and that guy refused to eat fish after what he had seen (I have no idea what he saw but I was surprised that he refused to eat fish no matter the country he lived in).
Occasions where scientists have been bribed by oil companies are many too. Further more years ago an oil company in the United States that funded a school, provided false educational content that deliberately underestimated the consequences of gas emissions and even claimed that global warming helps the environment.
We need alternative sources of energy that are more efficient and effective.
Tesla had developed such technologies but were never put into practice. Only recently some scientists have tried to put some of Tesla\'s theories into practice, one being a generator that generates energy through magnets at a university in Hungary
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I do not doubt that China will drill soon. I just wanted the facts clear. Hell of the top 5 world banks 3 are Chinese.
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My father knows someone who worked at a nuclear power station and that guy refused to eat fish after what he had seen (I have no idea what he saw but I was surprised that he refused to eat fish no matter the country he lived in).
And I refuse to eat fish after having seen one cleaned (no joke).
And I know people who won\'t eat hamburger after having seen a slaughter farm.
So, what exactly is your point?
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uh oh, this can\'t end well :)
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And I refuse to eat fish after having seen one cleaned (no joke).
And I know people who won\'t eat hamburger after having seen a slaughter farm.
So, what exactly is your point?
There seems to be a considerable amount of waste in the seas from these nuclear power stations
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uh oh, this can\'t end well :)
Shut up and change your signature.
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Doin\' some mo\' thinking....I saw on the news a couple of days ago at how china is paying just under $3.00 a gallon for gas?...now i know chinas currency is different from ours, but how is it, china at the moment is importing most of the oil, while americans have actually cut back on driving and cut back back on imports from the middle east yet we still have record prices?...and it\'s even been stated that for china prices to be just below $3.00 they actually had to put a gas tax on it...
So everybody in the u.s. is stating a variety of explanations...speculators on wall st. supply and demand,..manipulation,...or we need to start drilling here...i have three thoughts on this and one of is a bit more radical while the other two is a bit more rational.
One thought is that since the u.s. owes china billions for the iraq war,....the profits made from these gas prices are privately being used to pay back portions of the debt owed to china, bush & co are acting like they\'re concerned, buy are just letting the masses argue over really impossible ways to find some relief for these high gas prices in the immediate future,..while on the low, they are secretly payin\' back this debt...there\'s no way we should be payin\' $4.00 and up for gas and we\'ve actually cut back on foreign imports when china and india are currently importing the most oil..
Another report came out the other day stating that u.s. oil companies already have over 65 million acres of land that they could use to search for oil that they haven\'t even touched or exhausted yet. I don\'t see the argument where everybody is stating that "well if we start offshore drilling in those restricted areas then oil prices will drop"...that\'s bulls**t given the fact that these oil companies already have huge amounts of land or ocean space that they haven\'t even touched yet,.... how can they say that drilling in these "new areas" will drop oil prices?...the fact is that they won\'t,..they just want more land so that they can lace their pockets even more.
That said,..i also think the falling u.s. dollar has alot to do with it....with the way the gov\'t has cut interest rates, because of the housing market, the dollar is very weak right now, and that is another reason why i feel oil prices are high,..whenever the u.s. gets outta this housing slump and the gov\'t are able to raise the interest rate again,..i think the dollar will recover and we\'ll see that price of gas start to drop again.
Those are my three thoughts of the current situation.
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Doin\' some mo\' thinking....I saw on the news a couple of days ago at how china is paying just under $3.00 a gallon for gas?...now i know chinas currency is different from ours, but how is it, china at the moment is importing most of the oil, while americans have actually cut back on driving and cut back back on imports from the middle east yet we still have record prices?...and it\'s even been stated that for china prices to be just below $3.00 they actually had to put a gas tax on it...
So everybody in the u.s. is stating a variety of explanations...speculators on wall st. supply and demand,..manipulation,...or we need to start drilling here...i have three thoughts on this and one of is a bit more radical while the other two is a bit more rational.
One thought is that since the u.s. owes china billions for the iraq war,....the profits made from these gas prices are privately being used to pay back portions of the debt owed to china, bush & co are acting like they\'re concerned, buy are just letting the masses argue over really impossible ways to find some relief for these high gas prices in the immediate future,..while on the low, they are secretly payin\' back this debt...there\'s no way we should be payin\' $4.00 and up for gas and we\'ve actually cut back on foreign imports when china and india are currently importing the most oil..
Another report came out the other day stating that u.s. oil companies already have over 65 million acres of land that they could use to search for oil that they haven\'t even touched or exhausted yet. I don\'t see the argument where everybody is stating that "well if we start offshore drilling in those restricted areas then oil prices will drop"...that\'s bulls**t given the fact that these oil companies already have huge amounts of land or ocean space that they haven\'t even touched yet,.... how can they say that drilling in these "new areas" will drop oil prices?...the fact is that they won\'t,..they just want more land so that they can lace their pockets even more.
That said,..i also think the falling u.s. dollar has alot to do with it....with the way the gov\'t has cut interest rates, because of the housing market, the dollar is very weak right now, and that is another reason why i feel oil prices are high,..whenever the u.s. gets outta this housing slump and the gov\'t are able to raise the interest rate again,..i think the dollar will recover and we\'ll see that price of gas start to drop again.
Those are my three thoughts of the current situation.
Clips - link some sources please. I believe you are way off base in your assertion that oil companies have huge amounts of land and ocean space that they are ignoring. I do know that oil companies can drill on 2000 acres in ANWAR, but that is like a postage stamp on a football field. The fact is you have to drill and drill and drill - maybe on the 80th try you will find something. Sure, they have an idea where these reserves are, but it took the Norwegians 76 tries to find one of the largest reserves of natural gas and oil in the world just off their coast.
We need to drill NOW. I have no idea why environmentalists are so opposed to us drilling when over the past decade alone drilling has become very clean in regards to the environment. No spills in the Gulf during Katrina is a prime example.
Drill HERE, Drill NOW.
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We need to drill NOW. I have no idea why environmentalists are so opposed to us drilling when over the past decade alone drilling has become very clean in regards to the environment. No spills in the Gulf during Katrina is a prime example.
Drill HERE, Drill NOW.
Probably because the use of oil as a source of energy is prologued thus prolonging its negative consequences on the environment as well for more decades.. Just as you say "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW" these people want to push the introduction of alternative environmental friendly sources of energy "NOW"
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I eagerly await the day we run out of oil.
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Clips - link some sources please. I believe you are way off base in your assertion that oil companies have huge amounts of land and ocean space that they are ignoring. I do know that oil companies can drill on 2000 acres in ANWAR, but that is like a postage stamp on a football field. The fact is you have to drill and drill and drill - maybe on the 80th try you will find something. Sure, they have an idea where these reserves are, but it took the Norwegians 76 tries to find one of the largest reserves of natural gas and oil in the world just off their coast.
You have been watching Out Of Gas huh? ;)
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I eagerly await the day we run out of oil.
You wont be alive to see it.
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You have been watching Out Of Gas huh? ;)
Nah haven\'t seen it. Newt Gingrich is fond of saying it though and he is right. I know drilling alone won\'t solve our problems, but with both new drilling and research for alternate energy sources - that would solve our dependence on the Middle East down the road. After all to find and convert to a new energy source would take decades, so why not use the oil we have?
I think we need to do a combination of both. We have more reserves than the entire Middle East combined. Drill our own oil and invest in research for new energy sources and we would have no need to care what goes on in Iran, Iraq, etc.
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Probably because the use of oil as a source of energy is prologued thus prolonging its negative consequences on the environment as well for more decades.. Just as you say "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW" these people want to push the introduction of alternative environmental friendly sources of energy "NOW"
See my post above - new alternate energy sources will take decades - minimum to implement. We should not sit on our hands and wait for that day to come while being held hostage by OPEC. DO BOTH.
BTW what do you care? Do you even have cars on Cyprus? I hear mounting a goat can get you from one end of the island to the other in about 30 seconds.
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Clips - link some sources please. I believe you are way off base in your assertion that oil companies have huge amounts of land and ocean space that they are ignoring.
Ahhh...giga, i hate researching stuff on the net,..i usually get most of my info offa cnn, but here ya go....i initially heard this news on cnn,..but this is a link that describes what i was talking about...
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu7DA1F9IAJgAV2dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEycWlyN2M0BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0gxMjFfNzY-/SIG=12ov4qhec/EXP=1214326336/**http%3a//www.house.gov/apps/list/press/fl20_schultz/DrillingFacts.html
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It took Brazil about 20 years(give or take) and they are now officially independent of foreign oil.
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I can\'t wait till you Americans come knocking on our door for Alberta\'s oil sands.
And then we hold it ransom until you return William Shatner to us.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4649580.stm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/20/60minutes/main1225184.shtml
Only place that has more crude oil is Saudi Arabia
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Oil shale is the hot thing right now. They just bought our mineral rights in my neighborhood.
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Ahhh...giga, i hate researching stuff on the net,..i usually get most of my info offa cnn, but here ya go....i initially heard this news on cnn,..but this is a link that describes what i was talking about...
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu7DA1F9IAJgAV2dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEycWlyN2M0BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0gxMjFfNzY-/SIG=12ov4qhec/EXP=1214326336/**http%3a//www.house.gov/apps/list/press/fl20_schultz/DrillingFacts.html
That is a partisan opinion piece. Not knocking ya bro, but that is typical partisan politics at its finest. "We Democrats passed... blah blah..." Same goes if it was a Republican site. Basically, she is distorting information to support her point. Yes the oil companies have "leased" that land, but what she doesn\'t mention is that the oil companies "know" there is no oil there.
This is exactly what most Americans are sick of and why Congress\'s approval rating is lower than Bush\'s. Congress (especially the HoR) is worthless.
On a similar note... this whole thing is what is tearing America apart. We should go back to the good old times where the President and the VP were elected based on who got the most votes and the runner up.
I doubt anyone could complain about an Obama/McCain Presidency. It would force these two bickering parties to work together and stop pointing fingers.
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It took Brazil about 20 years(give or take) and they are now officially independent of foreign oil.
Right you are... 3 decades to be exact.
As Brazil Fills Up on Ethanol, It Weans Off Energy Imports
David Luhnow
Geraldo Samor
The Wall Street Journal, 16 January 2006
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil -- After nearly three decades of work, Brazil has succeeded where much of the industrialized world has failed: It has developed a cost-effective alternative to gasoline. Along with new offshore oil discoveries, that\'s a big reason Brazil expects to become energy independent this year.
To see how, take a look at Gildo Ferreira, a 39-year-old real-estate executive, who pulled his VW Fox into a filling station one recent afternoon. Instead of reaching for the gasoline, he spent $29 to fill up his car on ethanol made from sugar cane, an option that\'s available at 29,000 gas stations from Rio to the Amazon. A comparable tank of gasoline would have cost him $36. "It\'s cheaper and it\'s made here in Brazil," Mr. Ferreira says of ethanol. If the price of oil stays at current levels, he can expect to save about $350 a year.
[Saving at the Pump]
At current prices, Brazil can make ethanol for about $1 a gallon, according to the World Bank. That compares with the international price of gasoline of about $1.50 a gallon. Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it\'s still cheaper per mile driven. As a result, ethanol now accounts for as much as 20% of Brazil\'s transport fuel market. The country\'s use of gasoline has actually declined since the late 1970s. The use of alternative fuels in the rest of the world is a scant 1%.
Yet countries wanting to follow Brazil\'s example may be leery about following its methods. Military and civilian leaders laid the groundwork by mandating ethanol use and dictating production levels. They bankrolled technology projects costing billions of dollars, despite criticism they were wasting money. Brazil ended most government support for its sugar industry in the late 1990s, forcing sugar producers to become more efficient and helping lower the cost of ethanol\'s raw material. That\'s something Western countries are loath to do, preferring to support domestic farmers.
With government support, sugar companies and auto makers\' local units delivered cost-saving breakthroughs. "Flexible fuel" cars running ethanol, gasoline or a mixture of both, have become a hit. Car buyers no longer have to worry about fluctuating prices for either fuel because flex-fuel cars allow them to hedge their bets at the pump. Seven out of every 10 new cars sold in Brazil are flex-fuel.
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So the question is why didn\'t we do this? A variety of reasons, but our lawmakers like to point their fingers at each other. Oil companies, auto makers, consumers and lawmakers are all to blame. I would also like to point out in the first paragraph of the above article the words "new offshore oil discoveries". It is a combination of both new alternate energy sources and existing ones that will get us out of the situation that we are in.
On another note, corn is not as economically viable as sugar cane in producing flex fuel. Only now do we see a few flex fuel cars on our roads... For a so called third world country to see this coming and create their own self reliance really makes us look bad.
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That is a partisan opinion piece. Not knocking ya bro, but that is typical partisan politics at its finest. "We Democrats passed... blah blah..." Same goes if it was a Republican site. Basically, she is distorting information to support her point. Yes the oil companies have "leased" that land, but what she doesn\'t mention is that the oil companies "know" there is no oil there.
This is exactly what most Americans are sick of and why Congress\'s approval rating is lower than Bush\'s. Congress (especially the HoR) is worthless.
On a similar note... this whole thing is what is tearing America apart. We should go back to the good old times where the President and the VP were elected based on who got the most votes and the runner up.
I doubt anyone could complain about an Obama/McCain Presidency. It would force these two bickering parties to work together and stop pointing fingers.
I see what you\'re saying,..but how can you say the oil companies know that there is no oil there if they haven\'t even explored there yet?...68 million acres is alot of land...and yes i know they have equipment that can give them an idea of where oil might be,...but with over 68 million acres for them to search, it might be a bit foolish to think that there isn\'t any oil there,... i\'m sure there has to be oil somewhere within these area\'s....and i realize that the article had a bit of a democratic view on it...*something i knew you would pick up on my conservative counterpart*...;)....but i mostly just wanted to point out to you that the oil companies do indeed have much land to explore.
And that\'s neither a democrat thing or a republican thing,...it\'s just a fact they have access to a huge amount of land or ocean area\'s with which to perform their search...
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And what is Congress\'s big news today? Cracking down on oil speculators??!?!?!
They don\'t get the big picture.
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Here\'s the commercial where i got that info about america havin\' enough oil & energy for the next 60 years....but what happens after that?...:ohnoes:
http://www.energytomorrow.org/mediaroom/?id=36&type=v