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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Halberto on December 07, 2000, 02:47:26 PM
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You think X-box is pretty pricy don\'t you? On the news they said it will be $300. Don\'t beleive me? I can\'t prove it to you, but just think about it. How much money does Bill Gates have, probably over $20,000,000,000. He can defintatly mangage to lose 1/2 of that money. Now what do you think? Well, the truth is PS2 will rule the gaming business until X-box comes out. They have the same developers and more than PS2. They have Zelda, Final Fantasy X and XI, and MGS2:Sol. even before it comes out it has kick @$$ games@!!! I have and always will be loyal to Sony, but I\'m gonna go with both. Now that you think about it, wouldn\'t you actually have a system that people won\'t say "your syatem sucks" or "man, GC/DC/PS2 is better"? X-box has games, power, and parties. What more do you want? A tanning machine? Whether you like it or not, x-box is gonna kick @$$. I love PS2 more than you can imagine, but X-box is gonna come out on top.
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Actually PS2 has around 350 3rd party developers while MS has around 150 signed up.
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I AM NEUTRAL, I say this because I want you all to know that I am not basing my oppinions on a single product like X-Box or PS2, but at the same time I\'m gonna say that I am going to get both, this way you all know I am not here to bash one or the other.
ok here we go, X-box is not getting FF10 or FF11, they are both PS2 exclusive because SquareSoft signed a contract limiting those titles for the ps2, also, MGSX is gonna be a remake of the origonal for the X-Box, because Konami has signed a 3 episode contract for ps2, that\'s right folks, there is gonna be a MGS3 for ps2, also I would like to say that I am sick and tired of all you dumb asses thinking that the X-box is more powerfull then the ps2, X-box will be able to put out 300 million polygons a sec but what they don\'t tell you is that each polygon is devided into four parts because they all look like little pyramids, so when you say that ps2 is only gonna be able to put out 66 million/sec, what\'s 66 million times four, yo got it boys, ps2 is just as powerfull as X-box, and to make another note, ps2 can through 6.4 gigs of info thro7ugh there cords but X-box can only put out 3.2 gigs, and if you don\'t understand what I am talking about than don\'t even try to bash me cause you\'ll look like an idiot.
thanx for you time
@iReS
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ITS TOO EARLY TO MAKE A DESCISION...
but IF I had to make one now, It would be the gamecube.. but its too early to tell or make a descision... its still over 10 months away
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If I had to pick one it would be the X-box, its gonna have 256 bit graphics........Bill Gates.........and a 40kb hard drive..........and a satalite modem,come on who could complain about that?
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I heard about the Squaresoft contract (next 5 games) but I never heard about the konami contract. No one has SAID that Xbox would get MGS2 however, Microsoft may want people to anticipate MGS2 and go in favor of Xbox. Microsoft does pull that crap.
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If you wanna survive around here Aires, you will have to be more humble, acting like a know-it-all is not going to get you anywhere, especially on this board where you will get laughed at for that sorta thing.
And Provide links, til I see some links directly from Sony and not some BS news site assuming stuff, then you are full of BS as well.
Eric Jacob
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you seem to be the one guy hear that has opened his eyes and looked around at what\'s going on, like I said, don\'t be a fanboy, if you are gonna get a sytem know what you are buying and don\'t just get it cause people are feeding you this b**llsh*t information :)
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You sure are a misinformed Idiot Dookie. DOOKIE FOR Brains!!! ahahah. Anyway, Xbox is not 256 bit. It has a 32 bit evuivilant processor. (Not including nvidia or pentium) Microsoft tends to overhype specs. Xbox can handle 100 MICROPOLYGONS. But I heard rumors that it can only handle around 40 million. More than GC and DC, but less than PS2. And the emotion engine is a hell of alot more powerful than a pentium III and Nvidia chip COMBINED. It\'s just not as fast. But speed isn\'t power when regarding graphics chips.
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this is a forum, not a fact list, when you come here you must know that you are about to read the oppinions of people across the world, so don\'t talk **** to me, just post your ****ing oppinion and move on, if you don\'t like what I am saying then prove me wrong, otherwise
SHUT UP!
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Shutup, so I could be wrong, I never said that I was right, so get off my back Mr know-it-all.
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Originally posted by @iReS
this is a forum, not a fact list, when you come here you must know that you are about to read the oppinions of people across the world, so don\'t talk **** to me, just post your ****ing oppinion and move on, if you don\'t like what I am saying then prove me wrong, otherwise
SHUT UP!
If you know something then back it up with links and quotes from respectable web sites and articles.
If you want to debate these things we have a console debate forum that you should use.
Also unless you can provide proof that Square has exclusive deals as well as Konami then its is nothing more than your opinion and with your 5 post count that doesn\'t hold alot of water in this forum.
But for the record alot of us know alot more than you seem to think. Your misguided about Xbox.
ALso @ires, lets think about this. Lets say you have machine (a) capable of 10 million polygons on screen per second, and another machine (b) is capable of 40 million polygons on screen persecond.
Wouldn\'t machine (B) be using 4 polygons to draw the 1 polygon in machine (a)???
Which machine would be capable of a more detailed polygon enviroment. machine (a) or machine(b) ?????
So are you sure your sure ??????
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Originally posted by Red_Xlll_1
You think X-box is pretty pricy don\'t you? On the news they said it will be $300. Don\'t beleive me? I can\'t prove it to you, but just think about it. How much money does Bill Gates have, probably over $20,000,000,000. He can defintatly mangage to lose 1/2 of that money. Now what do you think?
Well if MS sells Xbox for more its a failure. Also Xbox is using a PIII &50, there dirt cheap right now, and its not Bill Gates who has to worry about losing money it Microsoft the COmpany. Bill Gates\'s money is Bill Gates\'s money If MS goes Bankrupt Bill would still be wealthy
Well, the truth is PS2 will rule the gaming business until X-box comes out. They have the same developers and more than PS2. They have Zelda, Final Fantasy X and XI, and MGS2:Sol. even before it comes out it has kick @$$ games@!!! I have and always will be loyal to Sony, but I\'m gonna go with both. Now that you think about it, wouldn\'t you actually have a system that people won\'t say "your syatem sucks" or "man, GC/DC/PS2 is better"? X-box has games, power, and parties. What more do you want? A tanning machine? Whether you like it or not, x-box is gonna kick @$$. I love PS2 more than you can imagine, but X-box is gonna come out on top.
Dude Sony still rules in the support department. PS2 has more games and more developers and more publishers support then Xbox/GC/DC so your misinformed there.
As for XBox on trop, you forget 1 thing and its huge, the name Microsoft pisses off alot of people. You can argue it but its a struggle MS has to overcome. Also , FFX is a PS2 exclusive, FFXI online may goto Xbox but no official reports just MS people saying Square will which is BS cause if Square won\'t say it then its not true. Konami hasn\'t comnfirmed MGS2 just MGSX and who knows what the hell that will be Konami refuses to comment on it, so again no offiical announcements
and Since when has Nintendo agreed to port Zelda to Xbox, where did you get that info why would Nintendo shoot themselves in the foot ???
So yes I believe XBox will be a kick ass machine but it won\'t dominate the industry. Not to mention when Xbox is out for $300.00 the PS2 will be $200or less with 5+ times the amount of games so Xbox might not look attractive to all those console buyers who refuse to pay top dollar for a new machine and thats the majority of gamers.
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Originally posted by Red_Xlll_1
You think X-box is pretty pricy don\'t you? On the news they said it will be $300. Don\'t beleive me? I can\'t prove it to you, but just think about it. How much money does Bill Gates have, probably over $20,000,000,000. He can defintatly mangage to lose 1/2 of that money. Now what do you think? Well, the truth is PS2 will rule the gaming business until X-box comes out. They have the same developers and more than PS2. They have Zelda, Final Fantasy X and XI, and MGS2:Sol. even before it comes out it has kick @$$ games@!!! I have and always will be loyal to Sony, but I\'m gonna go with both. Now that you think about it, wouldn\'t you actually have a system that people won\'t say "your syatem sucks" or "man, GC/DC/PS2 is better"? X-box has games, power, and parties. What more do you want? A tanning machine? Whether you like it or not, x-box is gonna kick @$$. I love PS2 more than you can imagine, but X-box is gonna come out on top.
It would be a good idea to wait and see what all each console has to offer before you make your decision. We\'ll know when E3 comes around. :)
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HEY DDARYL!!!
I mean no disrespect (NOT!), but you should do a little thinking before you post a stupid reply,
if computer (a) is putting out 4 m/sec and (b) is putting out 1m/sec, but the four that (a) is putting out is undevided then 9B0 will be putting out just as much, and if you say that I am wrong about that the n I am going to slap you, these things are tought to you in grade 10 for crying out loud.
i\'m sick of you retards acting all smart when alls I am doing is posting my Oppinions which are based around facts that I have picked up from actually taking a ps2 apart, and like I said before, if you don\'t believe me, or don\'t want to believe me (all the X-Box fanboys), then don\'t like I give a ****, your oppinions don\'t make up my mind and whether or not you think I am right I am still gonna decide for myself.
thanx
@iReS
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Heh hell yeah! Konami doesn\'t tend to do what Capcom does. Rename games with a few bells and whistles. My guess is that it will be the original PSX version. No one has EVER said it\'s MGS2. Just bull**** rumors. Kojima himself also said MGS2 was to "tricky" to port to other systems. Remember that MGS2 official Messesge board he anwsers himself?
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the BBS says it all
http://www.konami.co.jp/kcej/products/west/mgs2/topic/bbs/index_e.html
Acutally Ddaryl, if MS goes bankrupt, Bill gates would be poor. well not really. He only has around 200 million dollars CASH. All his money is in MS stock, and as the MS stock sinks, Gates loses money.
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Originally posted by @iReS
HEY DDARYL!!!
I mean no disrespect (NOT!), but you should do a little thinking before you post a stupid reply,
if computer (a) is putting out 4 m/sec and (b) is putting out 1m/sec, but the four that (a) is putting out is undevided then 9B0 will be putting out just as much, and if you say that I am wrong about that the n I am going to slap you, these things are tought to you in grade 10 for crying out loud.
i\'m sick of you retards acting all smart when alls I am doing is posting my Oppinions which are based around facts that I have picked up from actually taking a ps2 apart, and like I said before, if you don\'t believe me, or don\'t want to believe me (all the X-Box fanboys), then don\'t like I give a ****, your oppinions don\'t make up my mind and whether or not you think I am right I am still gonna decide for myself.
thanx
@iReS
1st call me a retard again and your banned, you haven\'t earned the right to call people names on this forum. What you fail to realize is some of us have read every single technical paper available on the web and news print and have formed different conclusions about what these machines are capable of based on facts !!!!!, and guess what they differ from you, so either except this or go away
NOW for the debate
Do you have solid proof that Nviidia is making a graphics chip for Xbox that is putting out a 4 part undivided polygon, I seriously doubt this.
Furthermore taking apart a PS2 is not going to tell you how many polygons the machine is a capable of, and why would you do this ???
and one more thing, opinion does not mean jack**** in a technical discussion only facts, and you clearly say its your opinion, but I do agree I will judge Xbox when they show off some games, and do not confuse me with an Xbox fanboy, I am no such thing, and further more you don\'t come across as someone who really knows what he is talking about, We only except factual data from reliable sources, your opinion doesn\'t count and its not going to count if your gonna **** all over people that do not agree with you or want proveable facts
[Edited by ddaryl on 12-07-2000 at 07:53 PM]
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Originally posted by animal_mother1
Heh hell yeah! Konami doesn\'t tend to do what Capcom does. Rename games with a few bells and whistles. My guess is that it will be the original PSX version. No one has EVER said it\'s MGS2. Just bull**** rumors. Kojima himself also said MGS2 was to "tricky" to port to other systems. Remember that MGS2 official Messesge board he anwsers himself?
Yes, but MS has also given Konami over 100 development kits to speed up the development of all their upcoming Xbox games. It would also be very stupid on Konami\'s part to release a port of a nearly 2 year old game with a couple of slightly enhanced features and levels. It wouldn\'t sell.
So... Who knows for sure? Nobody, thats who. Lets shutup about the matter until we get some official word related to this matter.
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Animal seems to one of the few (along with me) that have not been brain washed, oh and not to mention DDaryl seems to have a pretty good grasp himself, but like DDaryl said, not too many people like MS (myself included) and why, not because they have a system that might take fame from my beloved PS2 but because almost everyday MS windows ME decides it wants to crash, so in turn, instead of being monopolized like most I went out and got me Linux which may I say is by far supperior to Windows, so you see, MS isn\'t trusted enough to beat Sony, and look at this perspective for a sec.
When PSX came out people were like "why is this T.V. maker coming out with a gaming console", "what the hell is this ****, a stereo company is competing with NINTENDO AND SEGA".
well look what happened, not only did PSX prevail but they demolished the competition, and then even when Nintendo treid to retaliate with N64 they were still beaten even though the 64 was more powerfull, so why would you say that X-box is gonna beat PS2 because it is more powerfull.
IT\'S ALL ABOUT THE GAMES STUPID!!!!!
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Originally posted by @iReS
Animal seems to one of the few (along with me) that have not been brain washed, oh and not to mention DDaryl seems to have a pretty good grasp himself, but like DDaryl said, not too many people like MS (myself included) and why, not because they have a system that might take fame from my beloved PS2 but because almost everyday MS windows ME decides it wants to crash, so in turn, instead of being monopolized like most I went out and got me Linux which may I say is by far supperior to Windows, so you see, MS isn\'t trusted enough to beat Sony, and look at this perspective for a sec.
When PSX came out people were like "why is this T.V. maker coming out with a gaming console", "what the hell is this ****, a stereo company is competing with NINTENDO AND SEGA".
well look what happened, not only did PSX prevail but they demolished the competition, and then even when Nintendo treid to retaliate with N64 they were still beaten even though the 64 was more powerfull, so why would you say that X-box is gonna beat PS2 because it is more powerfull.
IT\'S ALL ABOUT THE GAMES STUPID!!!!!
It would be smart not to argue with ddaryl.
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ok daryl go ahead and temm me my last reply is not true, and while I am typing I want to clear up something because you are talking like you know a little about polygons, if the X-box is putting out 300million non devided polygons then my family is made up of monkeys and goats, you know very well that there won\'t be a system that can handle that kinda of **** for a long time (5-10 years), so yes they are undevided, and when PS2 put there specifications they said that the 66 million that Ps2 was putting out had already been tallied up.
(this is where I wanted to put my link but I could not find it)
and in any case I am not rying to put either system down I am trying to get people to be more possitive about all the systems out and be a gamer not a fanboy. and althjough I may seem like a **** I just dont think it is fair for people to say "PS2 is the best by far", or "X-Box is gonna rule". those are fnboy comments not destinguished comments.
PEACE!
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well if i had to cose either GC or X-Box id go with..........................................X-BOX!I wouldnt want to play some pokemon S*%T!
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300 million is the raw number, I think everyone here is aware of that. For real world use, it\'ll be 50-100. We\'ll know for sure when the hardware is finished.
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Its funny how everytime the Xbox is mentioned, a big debate starts.
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Originally posted by animal_mother1
Heh hell yeah! Konami doesn\'t tend to do what Capcom does. Rename games with a few bells and whistles. My guess is that it will be the original PSX version. No one has EVER said it\'s MGS2. Just bull**** rumors. Kojima himself also said MGS2 was to "tricky" to port to other systems. Remember that MGS2 official Messesge board he anwsers himself?
While Capcom may just add a few bells and whistles those games still appear to rank as the best games. Otherwise no one would be excited about the next Resident Evil, now would they?
It isn\'t even a smart move for Konami to port MGS to Xbox. I\'m not sure why you people think it would be. Konami and MS would both lose money on a port of the original MGS. Also, keep in mind Konami is a third party developer. They can port MGS2 to Xbox and there is nothing Sony can do. Sega fans said the first RE on the PS2 wouldn\'t be Code Veronica, and behold! There is more reasons supporting Konami porting MGS2 to Xbox then there is against the theory. Also, with Silent Hill 2 going to the XBox, it makes sense Konami would port another "huge hit" to Xbox. They are active supporters of the system already. I personally don\'t care, as I won\'t buy MGS2 and probally won\'t even rent the game (I hated the first). I just think its odd that people are still going on that it will be a port of a 3-4 year old game. If nothing else it will be a side story, but I doubt that will even happen.
And while you may argue the third party support of the PS2. Keep in mind that the 3D0 had around 500 developers (give or take a some). It didn\'t mean they all developed for the system. Also, Xbox is still signing developers, so that number could raise constantly.
You sure are a misinformed Idiot Dookie. DOOKIE FOR Brains!!! ahahah. Anyway, Xbox is not 256 bit. It has a
32 bit evuivilant processor. (Not including nvidia or pentium) Microsoft tends to overhype specs. Xbox can handle
100 MICROPOLYGONS. But I heard rumors that it can only handle around 40 million. More than GC and DC, but
less than PS2. And the emotion engine is a hell of alot more powerful than a pentium III and Nvidia chip
COMBINED. It\'s just not as fast. But speed isn\'t power when regarding graphics chips.
No offense, but there is no reason to go calling someone an idiot just because you think you know everything. Also, whats with this MS tends to overhype specs? Like Sony didn\'t? Come on, every company overhypes specs for people can start drooling over something.
So yes I believe XBox will be a kick ass machine but it won\'t dominate the industry. Not to mention when Xbox is
out for $300.00 the PS2 will be $200or less with 5+ times the amount of games so Xbox might not look attractive
to all those console buyers who refuse to pay top dollar for a new machine and thats the majority of gamers.
If that is the case, then the DC should easily beat the PS2. People will pay something that is hyped. If MS hypes it enough people will pay.
In my opinion. MS is set to be number 2 and maybe the top console when it comes out.
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since nobody seems to want to answer the original question, i will. I would take a NGC over an x--box any day. If it\'s all about the games then nintendo should be your choice.
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And Mr. Living-in-clip came along and debunked everyone with his BS.
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What BS?
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Originally posted by animal_mother1
And Mr. Living-in-clip came along and debunked everyone with his BS.
I love how when you can\'t handle someone elses opinion, you get your panties in a bunch. I\'m not the one going around spreading ANTI-MS on every little thread that may have MS in it. I\'m also not the one who calls other people idiots, just because you don\'t quite agree with them. You seriously need to take a valium and some anger mangement classes.
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"Furthermore taking apart a PS2 is not going to tell you how many polygons the machine is a capable of, and why would you do this ??? "
well...if you know so much about the ps2 and how it works then you would know that the emotion chip uses parallell ports to connect to the other parts of the system, right?, yes, have you ever heard of "Chipaway" (get it at tucows.com", it is a program that boots up in dos where you can hook up any compatibal chip to your pc (486\'s work best) and after you hook it up you can test the puppy, so me and a friend acompanied by our tech teacher at my school (westdale secondary) tested out all that chip had to offer and I must say this thing kicks ass, and is by far better then the 32 bit Nividia and PIII all together, and you may say this is not true but look at the macintosh chipsets, at the same Meggahertz as the Intel PIII\'s the macintosh chips blow the PIII\'s away, this is because they are same frequency but more speed and power, and the emotion works the same, it may have a less frequency then the PIII but is by far faster and more powerfull.
HA!
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@ires
its a 32bit system but Nvidia\'s chipset is doing all the graphic workload, the SP2 does a solid portion of its graphical workload in the EE particualarly Vector Unit 0 this sucks down the PS2\'s power, and to date the PS2 hasn\'t had alot of sucess doing FSAA, where GC and Xbox both will do it without a performance hit, also both XBox and GC support multi layer tecxturing, furthermore Xbox has more memory than all the systems, and even though the PIII is 32 bit the Nvidia chipset is 128 bit, and has access to all 64mb of memory as does the PIII. The Xbox also has a harddrive built in which allows for faster data streaming and equal amount of Bus bandwidth as the PS2
Also I am very aware of MHz comparisons and know for a fact the EE is more than 2x\'s more powerful then a PIII 700Mhz processor, but the Nvidia GPU is a beast comapred to the PS2\' GS. Xbox\'s and GC graphics chips do a ton and free up their processors to do other stuff where as the PS2\'s EE has to help the GS
For the record I know some stuff too.
I agree with you the PS2 is a monster but so is GC and Xbox and they are better machine graphically, but the PS2 still has its Vector units in the EE which will help the PS2 create some great gameplay elements and other cool eefects and gameplay element like procedural animation and texturing which won\'t be done easily on the XBox or GC and is the true innovation SOny was talking about not polygons and FSAA. Graphics are not the onlyu innovative feature in a next gen console and SOny\'s PS2 is poised to bring out and show off its own creative strengths.
Understans @ires, I\'m probably the biggest PS2 fan around but I also realize that SOny\'s PS2 isn\'t the perfect machine it has alot of power but its not the end all machine either and will have some formidable competition
[Edited by ddaryl on 12-07-2000 at 09:24 PM]
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Sony\'s intentions were to have the developers stream textures. Not store them and FSAA them in memory. They aren\'t doing that as of now.
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@IReS dude chill out new guys are good and having an intellegent converstion is very good but resulting to name calling and insulting isn\'t good.And getting into a fight with a mod isn\'t a good idea when your a newbie.
Just because someone doesn\'t agree with you doesn\'t mean he\'s stupid,I mean share your ideas that is what this forum is about just chill out.
:)
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I love these debate threads
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Me too, \'cept its to bad the MODS don\'t move it to the debate section.
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yep. But these mods tend to be more tolorant of stuff like this. People only come to this forum.
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They have Zelda, Final Fantasy X and XI, and MGS2:Sol.
As soon as I read this I knew you didn\'t have a clue. The FFs are not confirmed in any sense for XBox, and neither is MGS2. Zelda is just laughable. Nitnendo owns the Zelda liscece and they have very thourough copy rights protection on all of their property. If a Zelda game was going to come out on XBox Nitnedo woud either have to make it or give them the rights to make it. Nitnendo does not develop for consoles other than their own, they know the people who buy their consoles buy them for their franchises, therefore their franchises will sell best on their consoles, as well as the fact that they donb\'t have to pay anybody else for liscencing thier console. Nitnendo never has and never will develop for any other console, if worste cam e to worste they would go handheld only before they would make for XBox. The otehr option of giving out the liscence is also ridiculas. Nitnendo is very protective and they stand to gain nothing from giving away Zelda.
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Zelda on Xbox? HA! And I also heard Xbox would come with a free VR body suit / headset.
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I\'m not going to take a part in any vocabular "fight" here ;)
Well, I just say that if I\'m going to get another console, then it just might be X-box. You\'re asking me why?
I\'ll tell you why.
First of all, there\'s lots of PS2 exclusive games coming out such as the Bouncer and FFX, don\'t forget about Wipeout Fusion ( I won\'t mention MGS2 here, because Ddaryl was completely right when he said that it could be ported to X-box ); and those are alone worth buying PS2.
But then comes X-box, and it has about 150 3rd party developers ( I\'m not sure. Just according to what I read here ), and the number is growing. X-box is a graphical monster, but I wouldn\'t compare PS2 and x-box face to face because they\'re still so different. Well; GC isn\'t out of option, but I\'m afraid the console will be another Nintendo-Rare -fest with too lousy 3rd party support to make a success.
PS2 and X-box.. a gaming nirvana eh?
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The N64 isn\'t going to be a no third party system. As it stands we allready have confirmations from quite a few major third party developers and strong rumors from others. The console has lisncencing fees equal to Sony, lowerdevelopment costs and a cost effective storage media, basicly all the main reasons the N64 wasn\'t a major third party platform are gone. I\'m not saying the Gamecube is going to steal all of Sony\'s thirs party support, but I expect most major third party franchises that were previously considered Sony exlusive to be ported to Gamecube, as well as there being the third party support the N64 had continuing to support Nintendo. If you absolutly have to hae hundereds of crappy games tehat your never going to play available for your system then the Gamecube won\'t be for you, but if its only the major franchises and third parties your after it might not be a bad choice, although I doubt it will be a great RPG machine.
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well if i had to cose either GC or X-Box id go with..........................................X-BOX!I wouldnt want to play some pokemon S*%T!
*sigh* These poor mislead children get more pitiful by the day. My big grub with misinformed jackasses like this one is the fact that they have the ability to speak and procreate.
Now, you moron, before you go around associating Nintendo GameCube with Pokemon and other "stupid kiddy crap that I put down and call childish because it threatens my security that I\'m someone cool and accepted by society, no matter how completely mindless and idiotic I sound", maybe you should do a little research. If I haven\'t yet lost your tiny attention span, sent out by an obviously tiny mindset, you may want to direct yourself to http://cube.ign.com/. Now, if you\'ll look at the news, and search all about the archived news, I think you\'ll find that *gasp* a Pokemon game for GameCube hasn\'t been announced! Hell, a Pokemon game hasn\'t even been RUMORED for that matter! Oh, yes, Metroid, Mario, Zelda, Star Wars, Thornado, Too Human, Perfect Dark 2, Resident Evil 0, SSX, and Madden have all been confirmed, but *GASP* not yet Pokemon! Might I add that if you think about it, all of the NGC confirmed games I\'ve listed could actually be considered *mature*! (yes, even Mario, who has been repeated said to be given a more mature game). Ah, the word *mature*. It\'s what pea-sized-brain schmucks are attracted to, because you like to think yourself as "mature" and "cool". But, in reality, most intelligent and free-thinking can actually see what a brain dead, incompetant fool your really are.
I truly pity the person you are, and the fact that you\'ll probably someday be getting a prostitute/really REALLY drunk girl pregnant and passing on your ignorant genes is just plain depressing. Oh well, I guess ignorance can\'t be escaped..
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ps2 will rule.
if u think about it ps1 have made almost every god game in histori. think about mgs ff7 c&c crasch bandicot and more
that is why the ps2 will rule.peaple will stick to the games they like
i\'m sorry about ny english but u see i\'m from sweden
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welcome to the forums game lover :)
But hey; does it mean that if console has over 200 3rd party developers that all the games are going to be crappy? :)
"...but if you want crappy games Gamecube isn\'t for you..."
Let me say that it\'s about opinion. If you think games on PS2 are crap; then be my quest. I won\'t argue. Can you really say that GC won\'t have any crappy games?
That wasn\'t a flame BTW. No console is Perfect. But personally I don\'t like this console-debating forum. Still eventually you\'ll have to decide wich system you buy. No-one can help you in that decision, because you have your personal taste and opinions.
Base the decision on to them.
Mark my words... :)
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If I had a choice it would be the PS2( maybe XBox, or anywhere Square is with GOOD GAMES)