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Post by: GmanJoe on June 02, 2008, 10:44:01 AM
Skip close to the end. :laughing:
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Post by: Samwise on June 02, 2008, 11:15:53 AM
THAT\'S HORRIBLE!
So what did Clips say, I don\'t want to watch 9 minutes of crap.
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 02, 2008, 11:19:14 AM
clips said "Fee fy fo, my nigga! Young di\'in sho nuff mofucker! Muh homey n shi was lak wut? nowut I mean, my nigga? Den dem mofuckas wuz lak, na uh!"
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Post by: Unicron! on June 02, 2008, 12:02:43 PM
I d like to see one with translation. I dont understand most of the things black people are saying. But from the few things I got they ve got lots of point. Especially about the tribes that have been eliminated.
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Post by: Viper_Fujax on June 02, 2008, 12:07:39 PM
guess you missed the part about the holocaust being a joke, but yea good points :D.
theyre like all the other obnoxious strikers/preachers/whatevers out there. it\'s the kids fault for taking them seriously like their opinions matter
the only good point i caught was something about the diamond industry, but obviously he wouldnt be talking about it if Blood Diamond didnt come out.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 02, 2008, 12:29:19 PM
I took it that he meant the holocaust was a joke compared to what happened to other races and tribes but no one seems to remember or care about those.
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Post by: Bozco on June 02, 2008, 01:25:40 PM
Jewgers
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Post by: Viper_Fujax on June 02, 2008, 02:44:25 PM
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I took it that he meant the holocaust was a joke compared to what happened to other races and tribes but no one seems to remember or care about those.
and you buy that arguement?
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Post by: Phil on June 02, 2008, 03:18:37 PM
Used to see those guys all the time in Atlantic station, hollering about how the white man was holding them down. Keep in mind, only like 2 white people are EVER in atlantic/pacific station at a time.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 02, 2008, 03:52:06 PM
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and you buy that arguement?
I dont buy it. I knew it from before.
I know that he has a huge point in that because indeed there is this HUGE attention towards the Jewish holocaust, but there are crimes that ended up even more millions dead that no one seems to care about. Its as if the Jewish have endured the most losses in recent history and we should feel sorry mostly for them. And it is not like they are innocent either. This is not something I believe because of that video.
edit: I d also like to point out that our inflated perception about the holocaust today is a result of some European countries that fought the Germans, the US and Israeli propaganda some decades ago. It did happen, it was indeed a huge and tragic event, but its served its purpose into seeing the Nazi\'s/Germans as the only monsters, and into ignoring other tragic losses, crimes and events and still does
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 02, 2008, 04:38:52 PM
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I dont buy it. I knew it from before.
I know that he has a huge point in that because indeed there is this HUGE attention towards the Jewish holocaust, but there are crimes that ended up even more millions dead that no one seems to care about. Its as if the Jewish have endured the most losses in recent history and we should feel sorry mostly for them. And it is not like they are innocent either. This is not something I believe because of that video.
edit: I d also like to point out that our inflated perception about the holocaust today is a result of some European countries that fought the Germans, the US and Israeli propaganda some decades ago. It did happen, it was indeed a huge and tragic event, but its served its purpose into seeing the Nazi\'s/Germans as the only monsters, and into ignoring other tragic losses, crimes and events and still does
Here we go again. First your speech about nationalism and now how the holocaust is inflated simply so the Jews can get more sympathy. Get a clue, idiot.
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I d like to see one with translation. I dont understand most of the things black people are saying
And we don\'t understand most of what idiots from Cyprus are saying.
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Post by: Jumpman on June 02, 2008, 04:45:30 PM
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And it is not like they are innocent either.
How so.
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Post by: Titan on June 02, 2008, 05:38:55 PM
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How so.
[sarcasm]Because the Jews own all of the corporations and suck up the most air with their Jew noses and manage to slip under the radar because they need to inflate the halocaust.[/sarcasm]
That video did make me sick. Good thing no one cares what black people have to say :D
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Post by: Jar O Pickles on June 02, 2008, 06:07:54 PM
wow not only unicron a moron but he\'s also an anti-Semite. impressive combo
Cyprus national anthem
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 02, 2008, 06:11:07 PM
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And it is not like they are innocent either
This single statement pretty much shows just how big of a fucking moron you are. Trying to pass the holocaust off as "inflated" or even justify the holocaust by saying "and its not like they are innocent" just shows how skewed your view is. You\'re no better than a piece of shit Nazi.
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 02, 2008, 07:02:20 PM
Unic, I usually don\'t call you ignorant or stupid. But what you said was just that: ignorant and stupid.
Please go back to raping goats. It\'s what you do best.
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Post by: Titan on June 02, 2008, 11:02:36 PM
How can you inflate the holocaust? Seriously Uni, elaborate. It is well documented in history and even suggesting that it wasn\'t a big deal is just plain ignorant. And seriously, what do you think the Jews exaggerating the holocaust will gain from it? Attention? Bullshit. People still make a big deal of it because it is contemporary history, not because they want attention but to make sure this crap doesn\'t happen again.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 03, 2008, 01:26:02 AM
I will ignore lic again since he has issues
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How can you inflate the holocaust? Seriously Uni, elaborate. It is well documented in history and even suggesting that it wasn\'t a big deal is just plain ignorant. And seriously, what do you think the Jews exaggerating the holocaust will gain from it? Attention? Bullshit. People still make a big deal of it because it is contemporary history, not because they want attention but to make sure this crap doesn\'t happen again.
I ll quote my original post because it seems that assumptions were made before the whole post was read:
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It did happen, it was indeed a huge and tragic event, but its served its purpose
Which means I did not question the happening (edit: or the size) of the holocaust or claim that it wasnt a big deal. I said that our perception of the holocaust is inflated and I pointed out it is inflated in the sense that we all remember the Jewish holocaust as the biggest and most tragic event loss a race has ever encountered in our recent history.
Also I would like to point out that some events are also taken to the one extreme deliberately. For example historians have pointed out that the numbers claimed by many that were murdered in the gas chambers were much less. The most casualties in the concentration camps were a result of epidemics. The Nazi\'s were burning and burying these corpses because they had to eliminate contamination or had to do something with the huge amounts of dead prisoners (that were also a result of extremely inhuman conditions).
The Jewish that were initially targeted were those of the communist party and those belonging to the middle or lower class. The upper classes in Germany were not targeted. It was later that things got out of proportion and out of control.
Also the Russians have lost 20 million people vs 6 million Jewish. And in our recent history there have been larger genocides than that of the Jewish.
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 03, 2008, 02:03:53 AM
I don\'t recall any historian claiming "there was exactly X amount of Jews killed in gas chambers, X amount in ovens, X amount by starvation" yada yada....
ALL Jews were targeted. Can you point out they were not? I do recall rich Jews losing their businesses and homes.
Stalin did kill a lot of his own people. It\'s not exactly genocide. Pol Pot killed almost as many of his own people. They were leaders who killed their own people. The Jews were a minority who had NO ONE to defend them. No leader to call their own.
As a history buff myself, I can tell you the Jews have been persecuted since the times of Babylon.
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it served its purpose
What?
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Post by: Unicron! on June 03, 2008, 02:30:03 AM
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I don\'t recall any historian claiming "there was exactly X amount of Jews killed in gas chambers, X amount in ovens, X amount by starvation" yada yada....
They did though take into account the size and the amount of ovens, and they concluded that they were too small/few to claim that the thousands we have seen getting buried and incinerated were from the gas chambers.
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ALL Jews were targeted. Can you point out they were not? I do recall rich Jews losing their businesses and homes.
Did I point out they didnt kill Jews in the chambers or anything different than that?? edit: Didnt I say that things got out of control later?
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Stalin did kill a lot of his own people. It\'s not exactly genocide. Pol Pot killed almost as many of his own people. They were leaders who killed their own people. The Jews were a minority who had NO ONE to defend them. No leader to call their own.
Did I point out that the 20 million Russians that died by the hand of the Nazi\'s was an act of genocide?
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As a history buff myself, I can tell you the Jews have been persecuted since the times of Babylon.
And?
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What?
Read back
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 03, 2008, 03:37:04 AM
You can ignore my posts - that\'s fine. But on this one, every one is going to agree with me.
You\'re a fucking idiot.
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 03, 2008, 04:02:38 AM
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They did though take into account the size and the amount of ovens, and they concluded that they were too small/few to claim that the thousands we have seen getting buried and incinerated were from the gas chambers.
Did I point out they didnt kill Jews in the chambers or anything different than that?? edit: Didnt I say that things got out of control later?
Did I point out that the 20 million Russians that died by the hand of the Nazi\'s was an act of genocide?
And?
Read back
The gas chambers were rather large rooms. Ovens too small? Um...I think that\'s beside the point. The fact is they were used to incinerate bodies and body parts.
You didn\'t point out that the Nazis killed 20 million Russians. Hell, they were at war. Germany is going to kill a lot of people they\'re at war with. Duh. But when Nazis kill their own citizens based on race and religion, that\'s a whole different level of atrocity. Are you seriously this incapable of understanding history or did your school have some political agenda against Jews?
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 03, 2008, 04:10:12 AM
You missed the most obvious , Gman.
He\'s just plain dumb.
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Post by: Samwise on June 03, 2008, 04:30:56 AM
Jews killed Jeezus! They had it coming!
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 03, 2008, 04:44:17 AM
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You missed the most obvious , Gman.
He\'s just plain dumb.
I thought he was just stubborn as a goat at first. But after this, I think you\'re right.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 03, 2008, 04:52:12 AM
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The gas chambers were rather large rooms. Ovens too small? Um...I think that\'s beside the point. The fact is they were used to incinerate bodies and body parts.
Correct me on that one. I meant to say chambers were few/small to support that the thousands of dead Jewish they showed us in photos being buried and incinerated were inhumanly killed in the gas chambers. Most of them died from epidemics.
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You didn\'t point out that the Nazis killed 20 million Russians. Hell, they were at war. Germany is going to kill a lot of people they\'re at war with. Duh. But when Nazis kill their own citizens based on race and religion, that\'s a whole different level of atrocity. Are you seriously this incapable of understanding history or did your school have some political agenda against Jews?
We were talking about the holocaust so I thought you would understand that I was talking about the WW2.
20 million Russians died but no one seems to remember. care or even know. Russia had more casualties than any other country. This is because they were under a supposed "Communist regime" and the EU allies and US bombarded the masses with the Nazi monstrosity towards the Jewish that resulted to the holocaust, taking away any form of empathy towards Russia. The EU allies also had their own concentration camps btw which had captured many Germans and treated them just as inhumanely. That included also Germans in general and not necessarily Nazi\'s.
The Nazi\'s were killing based on political orientation and classes as well btw.
As for my school we were being taught the same conventional history you are being told. But of course history is formed as the Winners of war see fit. They cover their crimes and the only criminals are the losers
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 03, 2008, 05:15:24 AM
The thread was doing quite well until Unic went in a completely strange direction.
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Post by: clips on June 03, 2008, 05:19:42 AM
Hmmm...i used to see these types of folks, on the corner of church st and flatbush in brooklyn,..preaching the same stuff and handing out pamplets...i kinda felt sorry for white dude..he was more like.."can\'t we all just get along?"...:D..and while these cats are leaning more towards the radical side of it...some of the things that they stated are indeed true,....it just seems that when people mention the holocaust most white folks get all emotional and act as if that is the greatest tragedy ever,....but mention slavery?...and what reaction do you get from white folk?...."i wasn\'t responsible for that" or "get over it"....there definitely is a different reaction to both of these horrific tragedys.
The years are startin\' to stretch a bit now, but it wasn\'t too long ago that blacks had to go to different bathrooms than whites or had to drink from different water fountains or sit at the back of the bus,..and all of that occured during ww II and afterwards. I\'m not gonna go into who actually are the true jewish folk,..i\'ve always kinda believed the true jews were the one\'s born over seas and those jews that are currently in israel, are not really jews at all since they were just placed there....
But again i\'m not too knowledgeable on the history of those issues, and again while some of the things these guys said are true, i don\'t think it makes any difference at this point,..slavery was a horrible time for black folk,..hell the 50\'s & 60\'s were a horrible time for black folk and even today in 2008, we are reminded with stories as recent as the jena six incident that race is still an issue for some white folk to grasp...but yea..the holocaust was a terrible event and slavery was bad,...
It\'s good not to forget, but remembering and also retaining some anger with it, will only be detrimental to you,....i think these guys need to acknowlegde what happened as i do, and move on.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 03, 2008, 05:21:07 AM
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The thread was doing quite well until Unic went in a completely strange direction.
Well it wasnt me who got offended and started a big deal out of my post.
Despite that since I can take self-sarcasm I find your post rather funny ;)
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 03, 2008, 05:45:31 AM
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They cover their crimes and the only criminals are the losers
Well, when one party tortures and kills mass amounts of people, it\'s safe to say they are criminals.
Idiot.
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 03, 2008, 07:37:31 AM
Don\'t those guys go to Trinity United Church?
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Post by: Viper_Fujax on June 03, 2008, 08:14:42 AM
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it just seems that when people mention the holocaust most white folks get all emotional and act as if that is the greatest tragedy ever,....but mention slavery?...and what reaction do you get from white folk?...."i wasn\'t responsible for that" or "get over it"....there definitely is a different reaction to both of these horrific tragedys
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I think your generalizing a bit too much. I think the reason people get a much deeper reaction from the holocaust is because there have been millions of pictures of people that weigh 60 pounds and are stuffed in a little bunker with like 3-4 people per bed..on top of that they left the sick ones there to die, so if they had dysetary they\'d just be left there.
\'slavery\' on the other hand doesn\'t get those stories synonomous with the word like \'holocaust\' does.
Just comes across as petty when you (not you specifically) try to compare one shitty time to another shitty time as if the one that\'s worse is more significant. especially unicron\'s arguement seems to be based around "if it happens to more people it means the situation is more important" which is bull
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Post by: clips on June 03, 2008, 10:03:37 AM
Well what i was getting across was that while that holocaust was basically a one time horrific event,..after ww II things generally improved for them....while blacks,...even those that served honorably in ww II still were treated like s**t....black folks still experienced lynchings and unfair practices bestowed upon them,...i think the jews bounced back faster than blacks did because we were still dealing with bulls**t...not saying that our situation didn\'t improve, it did,..but at an incredibly slow rate....
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Post by: Jumpman on June 03, 2008, 10:10:09 AM
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Post by: Viper_Fujax on June 03, 2008, 11:13:16 AM
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Well what i was getting across was that while that holocaust was basically a one time horrific event,..after ww II things generally improved for them....while blacks,...even those that served honorably in ww II still were treated like s**t....black folks still experienced lynchings and unfair practices bestowed upon them,...i think the jews bounced back faster than blacks did because we were still dealing with bulls**t...not saying that our situation didn\'t improve, it did,..but at an incredibly slow rate....
i hear you. I think that\'s because slavery was actually in this country, while jews were never persecuted here (maybe by racists but..every group was. im talking slavery level), so jews didn\'t have to start as low as african americans here..so their situations are so different that you cant compare the social progress of the two.
as for how to get the african americans more equal...i really have no idea since it feels like its at a stalemate with white people running like 90% of the high corporate jobs and a lot of poor inner-city neighborhoods that are all black.
i think the thread has gone awry
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Post by: Luke on June 03, 2008, 11:39:32 AM
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Post by: Titan on June 03, 2008, 07:32:45 PM
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The Jewish that were initially targeted were those of the communist party and those belonging to the middle or lower class. The upper classes in Germany were not targeted. It was later that things got out of proportion and out of control.
Umm...Uni, Germany was and still in a way is a very ethnic and xenophobic state. If you are not ethnically German, you are seen as inferior. Most Germans resented the Jews and blamed them for the decrepit state of Germany and thought they were destroying it. A vast majority favored them being deported. A lot of German nationalism was based on anti-Semiticism so the thought of a Jew being in the upper rung of German society would have been blasphemy to them.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 03, 2008, 08:28:47 PM
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Umm...Uni, Germany was and still in a way is a very ethnic and xenophobic state. If you are not ethnically German, you are seen as inferior. Most Germans resented the Jews and blamed them for the decrepit state of Germany and thought they were destroying it. A vast majority favored them being deported. A lot of German nationalism was based on anti-Semiticism so the thought of a Jew being in the upper rung of German society would have been blasphemy to them.
What do you mean Germany still is in a way a very ethnic and xenophobic state and that if you are not ethnically German you are seen as inferior? Where did you get that impression from?? The Neo-nazis? I would disagree about this and I would agree about the periods during the WW2.
The Jews were indeed blamed, but there is some partial truth in their dislike for the Jewish. It was taken to the extreme though by the nationalsocialists and blamed the Jewish in general (the result of blind nationalism). Despite that the higher classes of the Jews werent always targeted. There were many mixed families of German-Jews with great economic and influential power. I guarantee you that you will find Germans today that opposed the Nazi regime do not deny the anti-semitism of the nationalsocialist party, and the millions of Jewish that were put into camps and died, but they will tell you exactly that. The elites of the German-Jewish especially those opposing communism were not targeted. The extermination was targeted towards the communist Jewish and political opponent Jewish. In contrast to the extermination the initial and general plan was to maintain the few powerful and get rid of the Jewish by deporting them (not by the best means ofocurse) by force outside Germany which resulted to the losses of fortunes and homes of the Jewish people. The Jewish internationally as naturally expected wouldnt of course accept this and they were expressing their anti-German tendencies (the Jewish were 100% excused for that). This was seen by the Nazi\'s as a possible future thread to Germany and they became more strict and extreme. They formed the concentration camps that forced them in extreme labor conditions and caused the deaths of many.
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Post by: Jumpman on June 03, 2008, 08:41:33 PM
UNICRON MADE A POOPY POST
ah how cute
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Post by: Unicron! on June 03, 2008, 09:14:41 PM
Never as cute as you Jumpy
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Post by: Jumpman on June 03, 2008, 09:17:28 PM
Don\'t you ever get tired of writing, "I know you are but what I am" comebacks?
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Post by: Titan on June 03, 2008, 10:15:11 PM
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What do you mean Germany still is in a way a very ethnic and xenophobic state and that if you are not ethnically German you are seen as inferior? Where did you get that impression from?? The Neo-nazis? I would disagree about this and I would agree about the periods during the WW2.
The Jews were indeed blamed, but there is some partial truth in their dislike for the Jewish. It was taken to the extreme though by the nationalsocialists and blamed the Jewish in general (the result of blind nationalism). Despite that the higher classes of the Jews werent always targeted. There were many mixed families of German-Jews with great economic and influential power. I guarantee you that you will find Germans today that opposed the Nazi regime do not deny the anti-semitism of the nationalsocialist party, and the millions of Jewish that were put into camps and died, but they will tell you exactly that. The elites of the German-Jewish especially those opposing communism were not targeted. The extermination was targeted towards the communist Jewish and political opponent Jewish. In contrast to the extermination the initial and general plan was to maintain the few powerful and get rid of the Jewish by deporting them (not by the best means ofocurse) by force outside Germany which resulted to the losses of fortunes and homes of the Jewish people. The Jewish internationally as naturally expected wouldnt of course accept this and they were expressing their anti-German tendencies (the Jewish were 100% excused for that). This was seen by the Nazi\'s as a possible future thread to Germany and they became more strict and extreme. They formed the concentration camps that forced them in extreme labor conditions and caused the deaths of many.
Germany is an ethnic state. Their nationalism was an ethnic nationalism. I said "in a way still" because I\'m not a 100% sure how ethnic they still feel but from what I researched on Germany (and other European nations) for a couple classes, they are still racist and very German ethnic driven and it has been that way since the times of Bismarck.
Mixed families were not common at all. Germans and Jews very very rarely interbreed (not the word but that\'s all I can think of right now at 2am). Germans have always been anti-semitic, especially back in the day. Germans at the time of the genocide didn\'t know but many didn\'t care, though many opposed but but did nothing or said nothing to stop it.
No shit Germans today that opposed to the Nazi regime will say it was anti-semitic. The entire Nazi movement, though it was more geared toward economic and political reform due to the failings of the Weimar Republic but a huge portion of their rhetoric was anti-semitic and taking advantage of the national sentiments against the German people.
I never said anything about neo-nazis. Don\'t know where you came up with that.
All Jews were targeted. No one was excluded so stop saying that. Hitler hated all Jews, especially the ones who were seen to have power. Hitler executed people and banned those from government for being suspected of having Jewish blood in them.
I wrote a 17 page paper on the rise of Nazism just a month ago and got an A on it. I did extensive research on the subject and especially focused on anti-semitism and citing extremely credible sources and even the source of the rhetoric, Hitlers Mein Kampf.
If you want to read about German anti-semitism in Germany\'s rise of nationalism and anti-semitism in Germany in general, I read this book called Nationalism: Five Roads to Modernity by Liah Greenfeld. She goes into anti-semitism and the role it had in shaping German identity through the age of nationalism and even in German folklore through the centuries.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 04, 2008, 03:54:06 AM
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Don\'t you ever get tired of writing, "I know you are but what I am" comebacks?
He\'s an idiot. What do you expect?
Every time I picture him, I think of some 13 year old inbred, who rapes goats and thinks he is so intelligent. That\'s the only way I can explain his crappy ass posts.
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 04, 2008, 04:02:57 AM
He believed Jews deserved it.
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And it is not like they are innocent either.
Perhaps Unic admires those Nazi pigs.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 04, 2008, 04:42:38 AM
Single greatest video. Ever.
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Post by: Luke on June 04, 2008, 06:08:00 AM
Fuckin\' love that song.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 04, 2008, 06:08:42 AM
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Germany is an ethnic state. Their nationalism was an ethnic nationalism. I said "in a way still" because I\'m not a 100% sure how ethnic they still feel but from what I researched on Germany (and other European nations) for a couple classes, they are still racist and very German ethnic driven and it has been that way since the times of Bismarck.
Mixed families were not common at all. Germans and Jews very very rarely interbreed (not the word but that\'s all I can think of right now at 2am). Germans have always been anti-semitic, especially back in the day. Germans at the time of the genocide didn\'t know but many didn\'t care, though many opposed but but did nothing or said nothing to stop it.
No shit Germans today that opposed to the Nazi regime will say it was anti-semitic. The entire Nazi movement, though it was more geared toward economic and political reform due to the failings of the Weimar Republic but a huge portion of their rhetoric was anti-semitic and taking advantage of the national sentiments against the German people.
I never said anything about neo-nazis. Don\'t know where you came up with that.
All Jews were targeted. No one was excluded so stop saying that. Hitler hated all Jews, especially the ones who were seen to have power. Hitler executed people and banned those from government for being suspected of having Jewish blood in them.
I wrote a 17 page paper on the rise of Nazism just a month ago and got an A on it. I did extensive research on the subject and especially focused on anti-semitism and citing extremely credible sources and even the source of the rhetoric, Hitlers Mein Kampf.
If you want to read about German anti-semitism in Germany\'s rise of nationalism and anti-semitism in Germany in general, I read this book called Nationalism: Five Roads to Modernity by Liah Greenfeld. She goes into anti-semitism and the role it had in shaping German identity through the age of nationalism and even in German folklore through the centuries.
"Racism" in Germany is as subjective as the "racism" in France. Your classes seem to be very absolute. The Germans today are embarrassed for the happenings of the WW2 and they themselves accuse any repeated tendencies today that were present during and before that era. Actually the German youth feel embarrassed and even inferiority complex towards other European ethnicities for what their previous generations have done. They were so much attacked and humiliated in terms of their national pride especially by the allies that it has caused a serious problem to them. No history book is going to teach you that.
It seems that your teachings about the anti-semitism in Germany that existed for a long time, has let you to see only one side of the coin and that it was an absolute spread idea in every German and the whole Germany itself. Mixed families were not uncommon. Despite the outbursts that occurred in various periods in history the Jewish have lived in Germany for centuries. There were many families between Germans and Jews, and some managed in the 20th century to even build huge fortunes. Into such an extend that rich Jewish families existed and with Germans working for them.
In regards to this: No shit Germans today that opposed to the Nazi regime will say it was anti-semitic. The entire Nazi movement, though it was more geared toward economic and political reform due to the failings of the Weimar Republic but a huge portion of their rhetoric was anti-semitic and taking advantage of the national sentiments against the German people. There is nothing that contradicts what I said. I did not reject the existence of anti-semitism in any way. Thats why as I said they formed plans to get rid of the Jews by deporting them outside Germany by force. But the point of mine was that many Germans that will still tell you that there were some Jews that were NOT initially targeted despite that they were opposing the Nazi\'s and have seen the anti-semitism by first hand. I repeat initially and in bold because it is important and it seems it is constantly ignored in the discussion leading to a continuous loop!
I asked about the neo-Nazi\'s because I was extremely astonished that you view the Germans as racists, that consider other nations inferior. Its a different thing to say "racism exists in Germany" with "Germany is a racist nation".
As for Hitler banning everyone with a Jewish blood from political power, I ll note that Hitler was deliberately killing those that helped him rise in power, and used his mechanisms of propaganda to excuse their extermination in the same way Stalin was using his own mechanisms of propaganda to jail and extinguish his own claiming they were Trotsky spies, Fascists or traitors.
I do not question your knowledge on anti-semitism and the rise of the Nazi\'s but there is more into it.
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 04, 2008, 06:28:15 AM
Unic, you goat rapist, can you tell my why you think the Jews were not innocent? sounds like you\'re saying they had it coming to them, you anti-semite you.
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Post by: Ashford on June 04, 2008, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: Unicron!
I d like to know how you read what isnt there.
YOU compared 20 million Russians to 6 million Jews...
The 6 million was a genocide, the 20 million was not...
If you weren\'t calling the 20m a genocide, then WHY did you compare them???
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Post by: Titan on June 04, 2008, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: Unicron!
"Racism" in Germany is as subjective as the "racism" in France. Your classes seem to be very absolute. The Germans today are embarrassed for the happenings of the WW2 and they themselves accuse any repeated tendencies today that were present during and before that era. Actually the German youth feel embarrassed and even inferiority complex towards other European ethnicities for what their previous generations have done. They were so much attacked and humiliated in terms of their national pride especially by the allies that it has caused a serious problem to them. No history book is going to teach you that.
It seems that your teachings about the anti-semitism in Germany that existed for a long time, has let you to see only one side of the coin and that it was an absolute spread idea in every German and the whole Germany itself. Mixed families were not uncommon. Despite the outbursts that occurred in various periods in history the Jewish have lived in Germany for centuries. There were many families between Germans and Jews, and some managed in the 20th century to even build huge fortunes. Into such an extend that rich Jewish families existed and with Germans working for them.
In regards to this: No shit Germans today that opposed to the Nazi regime will say it was anti-semitic. The entire Nazi movement, though it was more geared toward economic and political reform due to the failings of the Weimar Republic but a huge portion of their rhetoric was anti-semitic and taking advantage of the national sentiments against the German people. There is nothing that contradicts what I said. I did not reject the existence of anti-semitism in any way. Thats why as I said they formed plans to get rid of the Jews by deporting them outside Germany by force. But the point of mine was that many Germans that will still tell you that there were some Jews that were NOT initially targeted despite that they were opposing the Nazi\'s and have seen the anti-semitism by first hand. I repeat initially and in bold because it is important and it seems it is constantly ignored in the discussion leading to a continuous loop!
I asked about the neo-Nazi\'s because I was extremely astonished that you view the Germans as racists, that consider other nations inferior. Its a different thing to say "racism exists in Germany" with "Germany is a racist nation".
As for Hitler banning everyone with a Jewish blood from political power, I ll note that Hitler was deliberately killing those that helped him rise in power, and used his mechanisms of propaganda to excuse their extermination in the same way Stalin was using his own mechanisms of propaganda to jail and extinguish his own claiming they were Trotsky spies, Fascists or traitors.
I do not question your knowledge on anti-semitism and the rise of the Nazi\'s but there is more into it.
Maybe Germany isn\'t a racist nation now. I even admitted in my earlier posts that my knowledge on anti-semitism is on more modern history in Germany than postmodern. And saying that Germany today is ashamed of the Nazis is like saying Americans today are ashamed of slavery and the Trail of Tears. I\'m ashamed that this country treated blacks so horribly and justified it by stupid logic and excuses like their skulls are shaped differently therefore their inferior. I was merely making a point about modern Germany than postmodern and I\'m sure some anti-semitism and racism exists in the postmodern age. There is racism everywhere but from what I\'ve learned, many European countries are more racist. The two examples that my professors have cited the most were Italy and Germany. I never followed up on it (probably should) but I\'m just going on the knowledge I\'ve learned.
France is actually a fairly open state from what I know of. They basically say as long as you submit to everything French and embrace being French (fashion, beliefs, etc), you are French. That\'s why they are having so many problems with the Arab and Muslim immigrants because they want to keep their own identity and the French don\'t understand why. They think since they live in France, they need to embrace everything French.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 04, 2008, 11:20:30 AM
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YOU compared 20 million Russians to 6 million Jews...
The 6 million was a genocide, the 20 million was not...
If you weren\'t calling the 20m a genocide, then WHY did you compare them???
assume=make an ass out of you and me
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Unic, you goat rapist, can you tell my why you think the Jews were not innocent? sounds like you\'re saying they had it coming to them, you anti-semite you.
See above.
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Maybe Germany isn\'t a racist nation now. I even admitted in my earlier posts that my knowledge on anti-semitism is on more modern history in Germany than postmodern. And saying that Germany today is ashamed of the Nazis is like saying Americans today are ashamed of slavery and the Trail of Tears. I\'m ashamed that this country treated blacks so horribly and justified it by stupid logic and excuses like their skulls are shaped differently therefore their inferior. I was merely making a point about modern Germany than postmodern and I\'m sure some anti-semitism and racism exists in the postmodern age. There is racism everywhere but from what I\'ve learned, many European countries are more racist. The two examples that my professors have cited the most were Italy and Germany. I never followed up on it (probably should) but I\'m just going on the knowledge I\'ve learned.
France is actually a fairly open state from what I know of. They basically say as long as you submit to everything French and embrace being French (fashion, beliefs, etc), you are French. That\'s why they are having so many problems with the Arab and Muslim immigrants because they want to keep their own identity and the French don\'t understand why. They think since they live in France, they need to embrace everything French.
I ll have to agree with that there are some German areas (small) that still show signs of extreme nationalism and anti-simitism but it is far from being a racist nation. A half-German friend told me that racists are few there. Specifically the Germans dont feel just sorry. Italy is not a racist nation either. This is taken into a different context than being sorry about some "unfortunate" events. History is after them like a curse including all the biases imposed by the winners of war to serve their political interests of the time. Germany of the WW1 and WW2 as well as Italy due to Fascism yes. But this started to change after the war ended. It was just a phase of the times. It shouldnt be followed as a general characterization of these countries,
I used to have a friend from France who told me a few things about the problems with Arabs/Muslim immigrants but cant remember. The problem hid other issues too I think. I am not sure if its because they dont understand Muslims. I suspect that it is the opposite. Lets take the scarf issue for example: The French government wanted to ban it because they did not want religious symbols/differences to be eminent between students. The second excuse for that was that most girls do not want to wear it but are forced by their families. By not having them banned, the girls would have worn them regardless of freedom of choice. Complicated matter with no rights or wrongs.
The problem with Europe isnt necessarily racism. It is different ways of living and culture which makes understanding, acceptance and communication a bit more complicated. I would never sacrifice culture for globalization though.
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 04, 2008, 11:25:00 AM
Unic, you still haven\'t addressed that part where you said the Jews weren\'t innocent. Don\'t tell me to "read back" (which makes no sense anyway)
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Post by: Unicron! on June 04, 2008, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: GmanJoe
Unic, you still haven\'t addressed that part where you said the Jews weren\'t innocent. Don\'t tell me to "read back" (which makes no sense anyway)
see above=assume=make an ass out of you and me
read back=
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but its served its purpose into seeing the Nazi\'s/Germans as the only monsters, and into ignoring other tragic losses, crimes and events and still does
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 04, 2008, 12:19:29 PM
"Read Back."
Also known in forum lingo as..
"I really have no clue. I got called on something and can\'t be bothered to come up with a comeback. So, I\'ll just say, read back."
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Post by: Unicron! on June 04, 2008, 01:05:12 PM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
"Read Back."
Also known in forum lingo as..
"I really have no clue. I got called on something and can\'t be bothered to come up with a comeback. So, I\'ll just say, read back."
Post above also known from forum experience as= * I am pissed because I am repeatedly being ignored*
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Post by: Jumpman on June 04, 2008, 01:09:03 PM
Shut the fuck up and respond to it.
QUIT HIDING, SCUUUUUUURRREEEEEEEED?
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Post by: Unicron! on June 04, 2008, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: Jumpman
Shut the fuck up and respond to it.
QUIT HIDING, SCUUUUUUURRREEEEEEEED?
Are you fucking pissed?
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Post by: Jumpman on June 04, 2008, 01:26:07 PM
My head hurts.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 04, 2008, 01:28:35 PM
Even better
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Post by: Titan on June 04, 2008, 01:29:11 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
The problem with Europe isnt necessarily racism. It is different ways of living and culture which makes understanding, acceptance and communication a bit more complicated. I would never sacrifice culture for globalization though.
Eh, guess that\'s true. Probably should have researched modern racism in Europe than taking a professor\'s word that should have been questioned first of all (since she was an idiot). But I did see videos on You Tube from the World Cup where Italy (I think) threw bananas and booed a member of their own team who was black. I saw other videos with similar incidents in sports where spectators had racist signs particularly to black people on their OWN team. Makes you think of the racism when they say its not as big and you see them booing their own team and they interview these players and they say how bad racism is.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 04, 2008, 01:49:52 PM
Quote from: Titan
Eh, guess that\'s true. Probably should have researched modern racism in Europe than taking a professor\'s word that should have been questioned first of all (since she was an idiot). But I did see videos on You Tube from the World Cup where Italy (I think) threw bananas and booed a member of their own team who was black. I saw other videos with similar incidents in sports where spectators had racist signs particularly to black people on their OWN team. Makes you think of the racism when they say its not as big and you see them booing their own team and they interview these players and they say how bad racism is.
Hahahaa The field brings all kinds of assholes. Football in Europe captures more than just simple lovers of the sport unfortunately. :) Some teams are the bastard children of political parties too and for fanatics the field is the perfect place to start trouble and provoke. Sometimes they get so passionate with their teams that they will go as far as to attack the other team or the referee. They provoke each other with signs and messages they shouldnt even exist. There was an extremely rare occasion once that a football player was assassinated by fanatics (cant remember teh country or team) because in an extremely important match he accidentally put a goal on his side. These assholes are few but in the field they look many. Lets just say that Football matches in some European countries are a good meeting place for scum (including nationalists and racists) or people that like doing trouble ;) That said it is not as bad as I made it sound :)
edit: btw can you provide me the links of these youtube videos? I am curious to see :)
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 04, 2008, 02:04:48 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
Post above also known from forum experience as= * I am pissed because I am repeatedly being ignored*
If you was ignoring me, you wouldn\'t make any kind of reply. Idiot. ;)
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Post by: Jar O Pickles on June 04, 2008, 02:14:30 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial) i thought that was interesting and just happened to find it with random article
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Post by: Unicron! on June 04, 2008, 02:33:13 PM
Quote from: Jar O Pickles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial) i thought that was interesting and just happened to find it with random article
Interesting link. But I feel that it is kind of irrelevant to what has been discussed here though since it wasnt the genocide that was questioned, but the completeness of historical information as well as the way it was used.
For example although the Germans are accused for hating the Jews in reality no one wanted the Jews including the EU allies, such as the French and the British. The same countries that fought the Nazi\'s, originally saw the Nazi anti-semitism as a welcome thing. They did not stop him from becoming powerful despite his ideologies for this reason. But once he became a thread to them they wanted to stop him. We arent being taught about that. Then when the war ended they used propaganda and formed history as they saw fit
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Post by: Jumpman on June 04, 2008, 02:47:08 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
And it is not like they are innocent either.
:running:
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Post by: Luke on June 04, 2008, 02:51:58 PM
Quote from: Jar O Pickles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial) i thought that was interesting and just happened to find it with random article
Good band name.
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Post by: Titan on June 04, 2008, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
Hahahaa The field brings all kinds of assholes. Football in Europe captures more than just simple lovers of the sport unfortunately. :) Some teams are the bastard children of political parties too and for fanatics the field is the perfect place to start trouble and provoke. Sometimes they get so passionate with their teams that they will go as far as to attack the other team or the referee. They provoke each other with signs and messages they shouldnt even exist. There was an extremely rare occasion once that a football player was assassinated by fanatics (cant remember teh country or team) because in an extremely important match he accidentally put a goal on his side. These assholes are few but in the field they look many. Lets just say that Football matches in some European countries are a good meeting place for scum (including nationalists and racists) or people that like doing trouble ;) That said it is not as bad as I made it sound :)
edit: btw can you provide me the links of these youtube videos? I am curious to see :)
Do you suck at the internet that much? :p I typed in "soccer racism" in youtube and this is one of the videos I saw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-iRLmaZf4A
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Post by: Unicron! on June 04, 2008, 04:43:44 PM
Seems I do :p
I am extremely annoyed by what I see in the video. Unbelievable!
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Post by: Jar O Pickles on June 04, 2008, 05:37:09 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
Seems I do :p
I am extremely annoyed by what I see in the video. Unbelievable!
you couldn\'t find it cause you typed in football racism, everyone knows its called soccer
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Post by: Unicron! on June 04, 2008, 06:08:23 PM
Oh come on, but it is football.
See thats why they call it FIFA = Fédération Internationale de Football Association
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Post by: Titan on June 04, 2008, 06:25:58 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
Seems I do :p
I am extremely annoyed by what I see in the video. Unbelievable!
And I get the wrong stereotype by videos like this of Europe. This is why I want to take a nice long trip out to Europe and see it for myself. Hey, if I end up getting a good job as a videographer for a production company, maybe I get to travel the world and film stuff :)
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Post by: politiepet on June 05, 2008, 01:10:30 AM
I can\'t believe I\'m saying this ( ;) ) but Unicron is spot on on everything he has said in this thread. I get the feeling he\'s been studying this subject pretty well. and Raz, if you got nothing to add except for sad attempts at trying to offend unicron, please do everyone a favor and stay out of this topic. you\'re the one who\'s being the idiot here...
btw, I\'ve lived near the german border for almost my entire life. I\'m not saying I like them, but they are no more racist than any other country is racist. That professor someone was talking about should start doing some research instead of just blurting crap out.
It of course is a FACT that the jews have been treated horribly throughout history, but that doesn\'t excuse the fact that the holocaust is just one of the many horrible acts by humans on other humans, but for some reason it is not done to even consider comparing anything to it...
I think that was the key point Unicron was initially trying to make, and it\'s a valid one. It didn\'t help his case though that he was toning down the german wwII mindset (however, true it may be), because people (some blindly) started jumping him for it and thus straying from what was the key point.
ps. that football player that got killed was Andres Escobar, he played for the national team of colombia and scored an own goal during the world cup. He was killed by one of his fellow countrymen, who, according to a eye witness, shot him 16 times, each time screaming: GOAL! GOAL! GOAL! etc. pretty sick if you ask me :eek:
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 05, 2008, 02:03:12 AM
We\'re not saying that the Holocaust was the worst of the worst. We\'re well aware of the atrocities of Stalin and Pol Pot, what happened to the Armenians, Rwanda etc. We\'re calling Unic on what he said about the Jews : "...they were not innocent"
We called him an idiot. A goat raping idiot.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 05, 2008, 02:03:46 AM
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I can\'t believe I\'m saying this ( ) but Unicron is spot on on everything he has said in this thread. I get the feeling he\'s been studying this subject pretty well. and Raz, if you got nothing to add except for sad attempts at trying to offend unicron, please do everyone a favor and stay out of this topic. you\'re the one who\'s being the idiot here...
/ Adds nothing to the conversation other than, we\'ve got another idiot!
Gman summed it up. He said the Jews were not innocent and tried to justify or at least pussy foot around the whole holocaust. We\'re calling him on that.
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 05, 2008, 02:08:00 AM
Yep. The thread was going the normal routine until Unic said the Jews deserved it.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 04:12:28 AM
Quote from: Titan
And I get the wrong stereotype by videos like this of Europe. This is why I want to take a nice long trip out to Europe and see it for myself. Hey, if I end up getting a good job as a videographer for a production company, maybe I get to travel the world and film stuff :)
Yeah I think you will benefit a lot from it. Seeing the way of living of each country, their norms, culture etc is knowledge. You will get a better understanding of the world too. Especially if you start questioning what is considered "normal". :)
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We\'re not saying that the Holocaust was the worst of the worst. We\'re well aware of the atrocities of Stalin and Pol Pot, what happened to the Armenians, Rwanda etc. We\'re calling Unic on what he said about the Jews : "...they were not innocent"
We called him an idiot. A goat raping idiot.
First of all I said are not were. Secondly the point I wanted to make of that specific post/part, was that for decades we feel remorse for the Jews, like the race which has endured a lot, [SIZE="3"]but we ignore their own crimes[/SIZE] (and other genocides). Not necessarily in Germany but for example see Israel. The Holocaust is being used over and over and over again as if to keep us away from knowing more. It has become some kind of dogma we blindly follow ignoring everything else and it even got some twists to touch the masses further and their attention away from other events.
I ve recently started questioning the completeness of history itself and the way we perceive it, because I see how much politics are involved in it, and the winners can manipulate history with half truths and/or intentional emphasis on specific events to overshadow some other events, their own crimes or to attack some political enemy.
I did not even put the effort to explain what I ment because once you start showing that kind of attitude I dont feel like it. Whatever I say I feel you ll take it the wrong way.
Thats why with Titan I continued discussing, and I enjoy discussing with him because he is not like you, lic, and that other guy who jumps in the middle of nowhere to post crap. Really I wonder how come he is not banned. Almost every post he made was spamming or insults. Ok you are not as bad as them but you get the picture. I try not to insult anyone even if he says something I disagree with. But some others are waiting for the perfect chance.
edit: Politiepet got it ;)
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 05, 2008, 04:45:41 AM
All that rubbish and you still haven\'t explained why you think the Jews deserved what they got from the Nazis.
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Post by: clips on June 05, 2008, 05:00:10 AM
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All that rubbish and you still haven\'t explained why you think the Jews deserved what they got from the Nazis.
I think he just explained it....and i get what he\'s sayin\' as far a israel is concerned,...israel was just dropped and created in the middleast in the middle of those poor arab countries...and given the firepower of the united states,... now i can understand to a point the arabs anger over this country being created right in the middle of them by the int\'l community, that\'s like somebody dropping japan in the u.s. with china backing them with their firepower and then asking us to get along with them....* i could be wrong here but that is my understanding of it*
As far as the peace process goes both sides are at fault,..israel have disregarded agreements at certain times and continued to build on palestinian land, while palestinians have refused to either talk to israel or have failed to stop the terrorists in their own counrty...but Uni your agrument can go both ways as far as winners manipulating history,...the same can be said of the losers of such a war....everybody will make their cause and actions seem just...
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 05:29:44 AM
Quote from: GmanJoe
All that rubbish and you still haven\'t explained why you think the Jews deserved what they got from the Nazis.
3 things 1) Read my posts carefully before you 2) assume=make an ass out of you and me
3) are not were refers to Jews today. edit: And so I will help you get it I will put in bold and in big size what you missed in the second last post that explains "are not innocent"
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 05:42:43 AM
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but Uni your agrument can go both ways as far as winners manipulating history,...the same can be said of the losers of such a war....everybody will make their cause and actions seem just...
Of course. But which one is going to be believed, written and heard the most? That of the humiliated, finger pointed loser? Or that of the all powerfull "saviors"? ;)
But there are those who try to see history more objectively. These arent heard because it is not them that have the power of information.
If the Nazi\'s prevailed and conquered the world it is their biased interpretation of many events you would have accepted.
Point is, always question the completeness and accuracy of information. We are victims of incomplete and false information constantly and we dont know it
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 05, 2008, 05:56:53 AM
Quote from: Unicron!
3 things 1) Read my posts carefully before you 2) assume=make an ass out of you and me
3) are not were refers to Jews today. edit: And so I will help you get it I will put in bold and in big size what you missed in the second last post that explains "are not innocent"
I\'m not ASSUMING anything. If you\'re referring to the Palestinians, that\'s a whole new thread right there. And even if there was one about Israel/Palestine, I\'m sure you\'ll make an idiot of yourself again.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 06:48:11 AM
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I\'m not ASSUMING anything. If you\'re referring to the Palestinians, that\'s a whole new thread right there. And even if there was one about Israel/Palestine, I\'m sure you\'ll make an idiot of yourself again.
You are doing exactly that to yourself.
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Post by: Bozco on June 05, 2008, 06:48:18 AM
I see the light now. All those jews deserved it. Thanks Unicron
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 06:49:34 AM
I think you just lost it actually because thats not what I said but anyways.
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Post by: Bozco on June 05, 2008, 06:53:24 AM
haha, you aren\'t very smart.
You said they weren\'t innocent (justifying what happened to them in some way) and then backed it up with nothing (idiot).
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 07:09:54 AM
Comprehension problems and assumptions are becoming a serious problem in this forum
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 05, 2008, 07:21:23 AM
Quote from: Unicron!
You are doing exactly that to yourself.
I\'m not assuming you\'re an idiot. You ARE an idiot. ¿Comprende?
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Post by: Phil on June 05, 2008, 07:36:01 AM
A little late to the party, but I bet Unic believes that the Jews control the media and thats why we only hear about the holocaust.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 05, 2008, 07:51:13 AM
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First of all I said are not were. Secondly the point I wanted to make of that specific post/part, was that for decades we feel remorse for the Jews, like the race which has endured a lot, but we ignore their own crimes (and other genocides).
Once again, you\'re an idiot who trips over his own words.
We don\'t feel remorse for Jews as a "race". We feel remorse for Jews that suffered from the Holocaust. There is a big difference and you are this point, just trying to split hairs and figure a way out of the Pro-nazi hole you dug yourself into.
When you say that a group of people "are not innocent", you are directly implying that they deserved what happened to them. You can\'t go back and then try to back track and explain that you\'re talking about the race as a whole. You can sit here and try to use a different word, but it does not help. We were talking about the Nazi\'s and you bring that up. Put two and two together and you have a direct relation to what you were speaking of. You were saying that the Jews were not innocent and somehow deserved to be gassed and burned to death in mass amounts.
No single person on this forum believes for one second, that you were smart enough to go, "Hey, I should use the word "Are" instead of "Were", so that I can refer to Jews now and not in the past." . We all know what you meant and you\'ve been called on it.
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I ve recently started questioning the completeness of history itself and the way we perceive it, because I see how much politics are involved in it, and the winners can manipulate history with half truths and/or intentional emphasis on specific events to overshadow some other events, their own crimes or to attack some political enemy.
Yes, all the survivors are liars. Every one who remembers the war is a liar. All history is in fact, made up.
Honestly, I know this whole, \'I question everything\' thing makes you feel smart, but it is actually fairly stupid. The war was documented, it is history and guess what? It still happened.
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The Holocaust is being used over and over and over again as if to keep us away from knowing more.
The Holocaust isn\'t being used for anything. It\'s simply an important and sad part of our human history. You trying to make it something else is just pathetic.
You my friend, are not only a fuckin\' idiot. You\'re obviously a Nazi supporter. I mean, wait, no you just "question history". What you said was directly offensive to any Jew or anyone who may know someone who suffered in the holocaust. You are not just trying to cover it up with that whole bullshit about questioning everything and how you used the word "ARE" instead of "Were".
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Thats why with Titan I continued discussing, and I enjoy discussing with him because he is not like you, lic, and that other guy who jumps in the middle of nowhere to post crap. Really I wonder how come he is not banned. Almost every post he made was spamming or insults.
Here\'s a spam for you.
Idiot. ;)
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Post by: GmanJoe on June 05, 2008, 08:02:22 AM
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Here\'s a [SIZE="5"]fact [/SIZE]for you.
Idiot. ;)
Why do I have to keep proof reading your posts, LIC?
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 05, 2008, 09:56:49 AM
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I think he just explained it....and i get what he\'s sayin\' as far a israel is concerned,...israel was just dropped and created in the middleast in the middle of those poor arab countries...and given the firepower of the united states,... now i can understand to a point the arabs anger over this country being created right in the middle of them by the int\'l community, that\'s like somebody dropping japan in the u.s. with china backing them with their firepower and then asking us to get along with them....* i could be wrong here but that is my understanding of it*
Oh bullshit. Comparing Japan being dropped into the middle of the US is not even comparable. Israeli\'s and Pals are the same freaking people genetically. Both have lived there for thousands of years. The only difference is their religion.
Secondly, the Pals had a country, which was bigger than Israel and they had all the best land, but they, along with their Arab neighbors attacked Israel at the point of its creation and got bitch slapped - not only once.
All this whining about the Pals is a joke. The Arabs don\'t care for them either - they are a joke in the Arab world and pawns of countries like Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. All they do is give them weapons to kill Israeli\'s and lip service, which undermines any attempt that legitimate peace loving Pals have of negotiating any treaty to gain their country back.
The only thing the Israeli\'s want is their right to exist. The Arab world as a whole does not recognize it and that intolerance is their own undoing.
Unicron - go fuck yourself.
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Post by: Ashford on June 05, 2008, 10:11:12 AM
You make a stupid comparison (20 m Russians vs 6m Jews) and then say people are making stupid assumptions?
You started it...
Which is it? 20m Russians a genocide or 6m Jews were casualties of war?
Neither, you say?
THEN ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 05, 2008, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: GmanJoe
Why do I have to keep proof reading your posts, LIC?
I apologize. :thumb:
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Unicron - go fuck yourself.
Damnit, I hate when I agree with Giga.
With that said, let me just go ahead and reply for Uni.
"Read my previous post."
"Don\'t assume!"
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
blah blah blah
Great work wasting your time writting an essay of "I like twisting Unicron\'s posts and put words in his mouth he didnt say"
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 11:42:05 AM
Quote from: Ashford
You make a stupid comparison (20 m Russians vs 6m Jews) and then say people are making stupid assumptions?
You started it...
Which is it? 20m Russians a genocide or 6m Jews were casualties of war?
Neither, you say?
THEN ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!
a)20m Russian casualties of war fighting the Nazi\'s + concentration camps. b)6 million Jews casualties from the executions+killed by epidemics in the concentration camps+bombarded by the allies in the concentration camps c)Allies using the holocaust as a tragic event despite that they did not want the Jews. Holocaust also considered in propaganda studies as a real event used for propaganda purposes by the EU allies and the US as a counter attack towards any form of admiration and empathy for the Russian entry that determined the loss of the Nazi\'s, causing the death of 20 million Russian\'s.
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 05, 2008, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: Unicron!
Great work wasting your time writting an essay of "I like twisting Unicron\'s posts and put words in his mouth he didnt say"
Do you even read your own posts?
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 11:51:36 AM
Quote from: GigaShadow
Do you even read your own posts?
Yes
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 05, 2008, 11:54:04 AM
Then are you retarded?
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: GigaShadow
Then are you retarded?
No. You give too much attention to their replies and dont read carefully my posts
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 05, 2008, 12:12:25 PM
No, we\'re all just still waiting on you to explain how the Jews deserved what the Nazi\'s done to them. You wrote some big essay and totally danced around the subject.
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Great work wasting your time writting an essay of "I like twisting Unicron\'s posts and put words in his mouth he didnt say"
What words did I put in your mouth? You said something, I and many others quoted you. How is that putting words in your mouth?
Please, by all means, continue to dance around the subject. It\'s amusing, at best.
I\'m at work - what else am I suppose to do with my time? :thumb: :thumb:
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 12:24:30 PM
Quote from: Ashford
You make a stupid comparison (20 m Russians vs 6m Jews) and then say people are making stupid assumptions?
You started it...
Which is it? 20m Russians a genocide or 6m Jews were casualties of war?
Neither, you say?
THEN ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!
a)20m Russian total casualties from the whole war (including fighting and not the Nazi\'s)+ concentration camps. b)6 million Jews casualties from the executions+killed by epidemics in the concentration camps+bombarded by the allies in the concentration camps + extreme forced labor conditions c)Allies using the holocaust as a tragic event despite that they did not want the Jews. Holocaust also considered in propaganda studies as a real event used for propaganda purposes by the EU allies and the US including as a counter attack towards any form of admiration and empathy for the Russian entry that determined the loss of the Nazi\'s, causing the death of 20 million Russian\'s.
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Post by: Jumpman on June 05, 2008, 01:58:54 PM
d) I was dropped repeatedly as an infant.
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Post by: Bozco on June 05, 2008, 02:06:06 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
Comprehension problems and assumptions are becoming a serious problem in this forum
You really shouldn\'t talk down to someone that\'s smarter than you.
Oh, and we\'re all waiting for you to answer the question.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: Bozco
You really shouldn\'t talk down to someone that\'s smarter than you.
Oh, and we\'re all waiting for you to answer the question.
Then stop talking to me and read the answer.
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Post by: Bozco on June 05, 2008, 02:52:56 PM
You still haven\'t directly answered the question.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 02:54:43 PM
Quote from: Bozco
You still haven\'t directly answered the question.
You are still talking to me
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Post by: Jumpman on June 05, 2008, 02:54:49 PM
Can\'t Unicron just admit he was wrong and couldn\'t control his poopy mouth?
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Post by: Jumpman on June 05, 2008, 03:01:44 PM
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Post by: Titan on June 05, 2008, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: clips
I think he just explained it....and i get what he\'s sayin\' as far a israel is concerned,...israel was just dropped and created in the middleast in the middle of those poor arab countries...and given the firepower of the united states,... now i can understand to a point the arabs anger over this country being created right in the middle of them by the int\'l community, that\'s like somebody dropping japan in the u.s. with china backing them with their firepower and then asking us to get along with them....* i could be wrong here but that is my understanding of it*
As far as the peace process goes both sides are at fault,..israel have disregarded agreements at certain times and continued to build on palestinian land, while palestinians have refused to either talk to israel or have failed to stop the terrorists in their own counrty...but Uni your agrument can go both ways as far as winners manipulating history,...the same can be said of the losers of such a war....everybody will make their cause and actions seem just...
Yeah but the creation of Israel wasn\'t necessarily done by the Jews. It was created by England when they promised the same land to the Arabs and the Jews within two different treaties. England had control of those lands at the end of WWII. Then they got backed by France and the US during the cold war which we backed them with weapons, particularly WWII surplus. I\'d say it was a pot of people to blame and I don\'t think it was a crime because the Jews and the Arabs had claimed ownership of the land for centuries, even millenia before. This war for Israel has been going on for a long time, this isn\'t a modern thing.
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Post by: Bozco on June 05, 2008, 03:52:50 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
You are still talking to me
Yea, keep dancing around the topic kid. I guess you don\'t mind that everybody finds you a complete joke.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 04:06:13 PM
In a circus filled with clowns you always seem like a joke.
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 05, 2008, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
In a circus filled with clowns you always seem like a joke.
answer the FUCKING question goat boy.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: GigaShadow
answer the FUCKING question goat boy.
Since you insult me and pisses you off I will not answer it.....again
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 05, 2008, 04:51:39 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
Since you insult me and pisses you off I will not answer it.....again
Nah sheep fucker... I just want to see you try and answer it. You can\'t.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 04:55:10 PM
Quote from: GigaShadow
Nah sheep fucker... I just want to see you try and answer it. You can\'t.
And you cant help yourself from feeling pissed off for something that isnt there
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Post by: Joker on June 05, 2008, 04:57:35 PM
I thought it was impossible for Uni to ruin his cred around here anymore than it is. I thought wrong.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 05:02:25 PM
What? Because I am asked to answer a question which I had already answered? I tried to explain that the holocaust is used for years while simultaneously the Jews arent innocent for the crimes (see Israel) they are doing themselves and I repeated many times that the holocaust was a tragic and unfortunate event. What else do you want?
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 05:10:36 PM
What? Because I am asked to answer a question which I had already answered? I tried to explain that the holocaust is used for years while simultaneously the Jews arent innocent for the crimes (see Israel) they are doing themselves and I repeated many times that the holocaust was a tragic and unfortunate event. What else do you want?
I did not state in a single post that the Jews deserved it. On the contrary I disputed many times a lot against anti-semitists in my country
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Post by: Unicron! on June 05, 2008, 06:38:32 PM
What? Because I am asked to answer a question which I had already answered? I tried to explain that the holocaust is used for years while simultaneously the Jews arent innocent for the crimes (see Israel) they are doing themselves and I repeated many times that the holocaust was a tragic and unfortunate event. But it is just one among the many others that get less attention. What else do you want?
I did not state in a single post that the Jews deserved it. On the contrary I disputed many times a lot against anti-semitists in my country
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 06, 2008, 02:11:15 AM
You never once answered the fucking question.
And you did say they deserved it.
Quit trying to be a fucking pussy and dance around the subject.
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Post by: politiepet on June 06, 2008, 04:04:58 AM
this is insane.... you fucking well know he didn\'t say (nor does he think) the jews deserved it, he has said so more than once.
oh btw. thanks for proving his (and my) point about people not being able to be rational about the holocaust. It was one of the worst acts of human cruelty, but not the only one.
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Post by: Jumpman on June 06, 2008, 06:02:36 AM
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 06, 2008, 07:19:29 AM
Ahem...
Quote from: Unicron!
And it is not like they are innocent either.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 06, 2008, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: politiepet
this is insane.... you fucking well know he didn\'t say (nor does he think) the jews deserved it, he has said so more than once.
oh btw. thanks for proving his (and my) point about people not being able to be rational about the holocaust. It was one of the worst acts of human cruelty, but not the only one.
You\'re the only person who thinks he didn\'t say it. Know what that means? You\'re wrong. The minority loses on this one. Move the fuck on, buddy.
Not to mention, we\'ve all quoted his post DIRECTLY.
If you wanna defend him, at least pick something where you can defend him.
This isn\'t about being rational about the holocaust - don\'t try to spin this. This is about saying a mass amount of people deserved to die because they "are not innocent".
I always figured you weren\'t the most intelligent poster around, but I never figured you would be as stupid as Uni, himself.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 06, 2008, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: politiepet
this is insane.... you fucking well know he didn\'t say (nor does he think) the jews deserved it, he has said so more than once.
oh btw. thanks for proving his (and my) point about people not being able to be rational about the holocaust. It was one of the worst acts of human cruelty, but not the only one.
Its amazing that even after I repeated my answer again in my final post, they still get stuck on the same sentence ignoring everything else.
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 06, 2008, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: Unicron!
Its amazing that even after I repeated my answer again in my final post, they still get stuck on the same sentence ignoring everything else.
So what you are saying is that because the Jews are defending Israel and are sitting PAL land, the holocaust is justifiable.
Nonsense.
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Post by: Titan on June 06, 2008, 10:27:00 AM
And they moved back to the middle east after WWII.
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Post by: Ashford on June 06, 2008, 10:27:43 AM
Quote from: Unicron!
c)Allies using the holocaust as a tragic event despite that they did not want the Jews. Holocaust also considered in propaganda studies as a real event used for propaganda purposes by the EU allies and the US including as a counter attack towards any form of admiration and empathy for the Russian entry that determined the loss of the Nazi\'s, causing the death of 20 million Russian\'s.
???????????
Wanna clarify just what the hell you\'re trying to say there???
20m Russians died because 6m Jews died??? :confused:
Russians died because the West used the Holocaust to create Israel??? :confused:
Few people recognized Russia\'s contribution to WW2...so...they died??? :confused:
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Post by: clips on June 06, 2008, 10:39:55 AM
Quote from: Titan
Yeah but the creation of Israel wasn\'t necessarily done by the Jews. It was created by England when they promised the same land to the Arabs and the Jews within two different treaties. England had control of those lands at the end of WWII. Then they got backed by France and the US during the cold war which we backed them with weapons, particularly WWII surplus. I\'d say it was a pot of people to blame and I don\'t think it was a crime because the Jews and the Arabs had claimed ownership of the land for centuries, even millenia before. This war for Israel has been going on for a long time, this isn\'t a modern thing.
Hmmm...so England is to blame,...so before israel even existed, what was going on with the land supposedly owned by the english? Was there peace?...to me it seemed like s**t hit the fan only when the jews moved in and israel was created...:confused:...*too lazy to research this stuff, i\'d rather tap yer mental*...
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Post by: clips on June 06, 2008, 10:44:21 AM
Too funny..:laughing:...you lose points for that Rick Asley trap you posted in that other thread....:mad:....I got caught with that s**t....at first i thought it was some type of virus!!...:ohnoes:.....:p
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Post by: Titan on June 06, 2008, 10:44:28 AM
Quote from: clips
Hmmm...so England is to blame,...so before israel even existed, what was going on with the land supposedly owned by the english? Was there peace?...to me it seemed like s**t hit the fan only when the jews moved in and israel was created...:confused:...*too lazy to research this stuff, i\'d rather tap yer mental*...
I know you\'d rather tap more than my mental ;)
I was just saying that after WWI? after the Ottoman Empire dissolved, England had territories in the middle east (I\'d look this up. I\'m a bit rusty on my history and too lazy to Wikipedia it). One territory I know for sure that England had was the land of Palestine. They promised the land to Palestine. They also promised it to the Jews after WWII for the Zionist movement. There were problems before in Israel but when the Jews massively migrated to their Promised Land, that\'s when the shit really hit the fan.
I\'d research this though. I have a feeling my history is a bit rusty. This is just what I remember and understand. Nothing a few minutes on wikipedia can\'t resolve. I do know that England promised both sides the same piece of land. That I\'m 100% sure about.
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Post by: politiepet on June 06, 2008, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
You\'re the only person who thinks he didn\'t say it. Know what that means? You\'re wrong. The minority loses on this one. Move the fuck on, buddy.
yeah, great logic you got going on there...
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
Not to mention, we\'ve all quoted his post DIRECTLY.
I saw the quotes. Not once did he say the jews deserved the holocaust
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
This isn\'t about being rational about the holocaust - don\'t try to spin this. This is about saying a mass amount of people deserved to die because they "are not innocent".
again, he did not say that. Not once... and again, thanks for proving the point...
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
I always figured you weren\'t the most intelligent poster around, but I never figured you would be as stupid as Uni, himself.
How childish of you, you have no idea how wrong you are on this.
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Post by: clips on June 06, 2008, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: Titan
I know you\'d rather tap more than my mental ;)
I was just saying that after WWI? after the Ottoman Empire dissolved, England had territories in the middle east (I\'d look this up. I\'m a bit rusty on my history and too lazy to Wikipedia it). One territory I know for sure that England had was the land of Palestine. They promised the land to Palestine. They also promised it to the Jews after WWII for the Zionist movement. There were problems before in Israel but when the Jews massively migrated to their Promised Land, that\'s when the shit really hit the fan.
I\'d research this though. I have a feeling my history is a bit rusty. This is just what I remember and understand. Nothing a few minutes on wikipedia can\'t resolve. I do know that England promised both sides the same piece of land. That I\'m 100% sure about.
Fair enough...i\'m gonna have to research this later tho,..i\'ve been working all night and i haven\'t been to sleep yet....:wave:
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Post by: Unicron! on June 06, 2008, 11:00:39 AM
Quote from: GigaShadow
So what you are saying is that because the Jews are defending Israel and are sitting PAL land, the holocaust is justifiable.
Nonsense.
Again for the billionth time I did not say that
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Post by: Unicron! on June 06, 2008, 11:23:12 AM
Quote from: Ashford
???????????
Wanna clarify just what the hell you\'re trying to say there???
20m Russians died because 6m Jews died??? :confused:
Russians died because the West used the Holocaust to create Israel??? :confused:
Few people recognized Russia\'s contribution to WW2...so...they died??? :confused:
OOOOoooooh.....Now I get it. Its because you dont know much about the details of history, the political, social and economic state of the countries and their relations, thats why you misinterpret constantly my posts. I cant help you in that. I can not afford wasting my time trying to teach someone with blinders and no manners. I am not a professor and I can not punish you in any way.
Thats ok though. The only thing I can do for you is show understanding.
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 06, 2008, 12:01:55 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
OOOOoooooh.....Now I get it. Its because you dont know much about the details of history, the political, social and economic state of the countries and their relations, thats why you misinterpret constantly my posts. I cant help you in that. I can not afford wasting my time trying to teach someone with blinders and no manners. I am not a professor and I can not punish you in any way.
Thats ok though. The only thing I can do for you is show understanding.
Ever think maybe it is your lack of mastery of the English language?
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Post by: Unicron! on June 06, 2008, 12:06:29 PM
Quote from: GigaShadow
Ever think maybe it is your lack of mastery of the English language?
Ever thought of taking that possibility into consideration?
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Post by: politiepet on June 06, 2008, 12:22:59 PM
well then, maybe it\'s time to make clear statements... forget everything that\'s been said, here\'s my view on this topic.
Those men in the video are assholes for belittling a tragic event like the holocaust.
I\'m saying that because it is obviously a tragic event, one of the most tragic in recent history.
However, having said that, we must be careful not to lose sight of reality. No country, race, ethnic group is perfect. They all have had their share of mistakes.
It\'s for this reason we must allow ourselves to look objectively to each case individually. We people tend to generalize too much and see everything to black and white, when in reality there are all kinds of grey...
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 06, 2008, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
Ever thought of taking that possibility into consideration?
Then don\'t engage in a conversation, is my advice. If you can\'t speak the language, go find a Cyrpus board, because we don\'t need such stupid confusion.
It\'s funny how you never used this as an excuse, until someone came up with it for you. You\'ll do anything to hide just how ignorant and wrong you are.
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well then, maybe it\'s time to make clear statements... forget everything that\'s been said, here\'s my view on this topic.
Those men in the video are assholes for belittling a tragic event like the holocaust.
I\'m saying that because it is obviously a tragic event, one of the most tragic in recent history.
However, having said that, we must be careful not to lose sight of reality. No country, race, ethnic group is perfect. They all have had their share of mistakes.
It\'s for this reason we must allow ourselves to look objectively to each case individually. We people tend to generalize too much and see everything to black and white, when in reality there are all kinds of grey...
Sorry, I fell asleep reading such crap.
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Post by: Titan on June 06, 2008, 03:54:20 PM
Unicron, put down the shovel and grab the rope. You are just digging yourself in deeper.
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Post by: politiepet on June 06, 2008, 04:03:28 PM
@LIC man, fuck you, you piece of shit. You\'re such a close minded asshole. You think you\'re so smart, yet you\'re not even capable of having an open mind about things. All you ever do is try to offend people, well, you know what, you can have it your way. I wish you dead, you and your family. Reply whichever way you want, I don\'t give a shit.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 06, 2008, 04:05:16 PM
Thats ok. LIC may be showing off his large e-penis in here, but in real life such an attitude costs him dearly. This forum means nothing no matter how he puts it. Just ignore him
Quote from: Titan
Unicron, put down the shovel and grab the rope. You are just digging yourself in deeper.
What did I do again?
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Post by: Luke on June 06, 2008, 04:30:55 PM
Quote from: politiepet
@LIC man, fuck you, you piece of shit. You\'re such a close minded asshole. You think you\'re so smart, yet you\'re not even capable of having an open mind about things. All you ever do is try to offend people, well, you know what, you can have it your way. I wish you dead, you and your family. Reply whichever way you want, I don\'t give a shit.
Awesome.
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Post by: Unicron! on June 06, 2008, 04:32:34 PM
Dont mind LIC. He may be showing off his e-penis in here, but in real life his attitude costs him dearly. Whatever happens here means nothing. Just ignore him.
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 06, 2008, 06:04:20 PM
Quote from: politiepet
@LIC man, fuck you, you piece of shit. You\'re such a close minded asshole. You think you\'re so smart, yet you\'re not even capable of having an open mind about things. All you ever do is try to offend people, well, you know what, you can have it your way. I wish you dead, you and your family. Reply whichever way you want, I don\'t give a shit.
Wow.. quite a tantrum.
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Post by: clips on June 06, 2008, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: politiepet
@LIC man, fuck you, you piece of shit. You\'re such a close minded asshole. You think you\'re so smart, yet you\'re not even capable of having an open mind about things. All you ever do is try to offend people, well, you know what, you can have it your way. I wish you dead, you and your family. Reply whichever way you want, I don\'t give a shit.
Whoa...hey...calm down people..i don\'t think it\'s that serious....things tend to get heated, but wishing something like that on a person and his family over an INTERNET discussion seems pretty harsh.....LIC,..ol\' buddy you know i have a good amount of respect for ya,...but maybe you could\'ve cut politiepet a little slack since he was only trying to explain his position...:)
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Post by: Jumpman on June 06, 2008, 06:59:35 PM
Quote from: clips
Whoa...hey...calm down people..i don\'t think it\'s that serious....things tend to get heated, but wishing something like that on a person and his family over an INTERNET discussion seems pretty harsh.....LIC,..ol\' buddy you know i have a good amount of respect for ya,...but maybe you could\'ve cut politiepet a little slack since he was only trying to explain his position...:)