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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 07, 2008, 03:55:17 PM
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It hasn\'t gone far enough.
I don\'t give a flying fuck if it\'s the internet. When you wish entire groups of people dead, you\'re nothing but scum of the earth.
And Luke. I guarantee if someone said that, you\'d be upset. But instead, you can try and play it cool.
I don\'t wish anybody dead, I just really wanted lic to be offended for once and according to the following PM I got from him, I succeeded. With that said, I can retract the statement...
the PM:
You got a problem with me, that is fine. Don\'t bring my family into , you piece of shit person from Holland. You and your Cyrpus brother can go fuck a donkey for all I care. It isn\'t my fault you both are idiots who can\'t even speak fuckin\' English and then wanna weasel out of a discussion.
Oh don\'t be some wanna be intelligent fuck. You never had such intentions. Instead you just threw a tantrum and now trying to spin it, as if you didn\'t mean it. You\'re way to stupid to even think ahead like that.
First of all I said are not were. Secondly the point I wanted to make of that specific post/part, was that for decades we feel remorse for the Jews, like the race which has endured a lot, but we ignore their own crimes (and other genocides). Not necessarily in Germany but for example see Israel. The Holocaust is being used over and over and over again as if to keep us away from knowing more. It has become some kind of dogma we blindly follow ignoring everything else and it even got some twists to touch the masses further and their attention away from other events.
Minus the fact we weren\'t talking about Jews as a whole? And we were discussing the holocaust? If he is so fucking dumb he can\'t stay on subject, then he shouldn\'t even post.
Here you go Pet and Uni. Here\'s some porn for you Nazi loving mother fuckers.
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Yeah, those people deserved to die, they aren\'t innocent. They\'re jews. Go jack off now, you piece of third world country shit.
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People say nasty things to get a rise out of someone. By playing into their hand you\'re just giving them satisfaction. You lose
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Not about winning. You can\'t win.
About proving a point. It\'s about not letting someone weasel out of this, when they said something and every single person, except one called them on it.
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I don\'t think the first one should have been locked. Maybe move it to CE since things get nasty in there all the time and OT is more... eh laid back.
Unicron has some explaining to do and he hasn\'t done it. Sure it is the internet, but isn\'t this just another form of communication? I am sure this will end up being resolved, but let em battle it out for now. As long as no personal information is used (ie. comments about someone\'s family), I say let em go at it.
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I don\'t think the first one should have been locked. Maybe move it to CE since things get nasty in there all the time and OT is more... eh laid back.
Unicron has some explaining to do and he hasn\'t done it. Sure it is the internet, but isn\'t this just another form of communication? I am sure this will end up being resolved, but let em battle it out for now. As long as no personal information is used (ie. comments about someone\'s family), I say let em go at it.
Exactly. That thread was just fine and dandy, but instead, someone starts bringing family into it and it gets closed and Uni gets to walk free away from it. Name calling is fine and dandy, no problems what so ever with that. It never got out of control until Pet there made it worse with his idiotic comment about my kids.
Even better is the fact we were all cussing Uni and calling him on it, but somehow Pet decided to take it all out on me, which is fine. Just amusing, at best.
Re open the thread. It wasn\'t done. Unless there is some new rule that every time there is a heated debate, we just close it , so someone can save face?
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The only reason I closed the last one is because it wasnt a debate, it was just name calling.
And Raz, I "play it cool" because I am.
Carry on.
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The only reason I closed the last one is because it wasnt a debate, it was just name calling.
And Raz, I "play it cool" because I am.
Carry on.
Alright - fine, whatever. I don\'t want to argue with ya\' Luke. I like you.
With that said - there was no reason to close the original thread. Someone said something and people called him on it. Move it to CE, like Giga suggested.
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You can\'t prove a point to someone who doesn\'t want to be taught one. You can either lose your cool, in which case, as was already said, you\'re playing into their hand, or you can let it go. Or talk about it from a place of logic, not anger.
I\'d have been killed in the holocaust, were I there at the time. But there are always going to be idiots who for what ever warped logic try to minimalize what it was. The same is true for any issue like this. You can get riled up all you want, but it\'ll only piss you off more than it\'ll do anything to him.
So what if it\'s locked?...cause that\'s all it\'s gonna be. The same thing over and over. You\'ll yell at him, he won\'t care, and he\'ll keep talking in circles without saying anything.
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All any one wants is his logic. Instead, he is a complete dick and makes random comments like "read back" and dances around the subject. If he is brave enough to say it, he should be able to back his statement up. Don\'t use comments like "Read back", "already answered", "not gonna explain this" or my favorite was when he used the whole \'English isn\'t my first language\' excuse.
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Oh, I\'m not arguing about that point...I\'m just saying, it\'s pretty clear you\'re not gonna get any logic out of him anyway, so what\'s the point of getting all pissed off about it? Some people are just like that...the only way of dealing with them is writing off what they have to say as not worth hearing anyway.
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Oh, I\'m not arguing about that point...I\'m just saying, it\'s pretty clear you\'re not gonna get any logic out of him anyway, so what\'s the point of getting all pissed off about it? Some people are just like that...the only way of dealing with them is writing off what they have to say as not worth hearing anyway.
The thread would of eventually died on it\'s own. It should of been allowed to continue, at least. If he decided to just not post in it again, fine. Every one would of lost interest. As it is, he gets to make some off hand comment and avoid having to back his logic up. That\'s absurd.
That\'s my problem with it. We are pussy footing around the whole thing. It was a heated debate and it should of been left as such. Other than Pet\'s retarded comment about my family, there really wasn\'t anything out of the ordinary in that thread. So, let the members keep calling Uni on it and let the thread run its course. One side would of gave up eventually. I mean, it\'s not like this forum is busting with activity, so why not let the thread go on? When was the last time we had a thread that was on page seven and likely to keep going? Closing that thread not only let Uni off the hook, but it stifles any communication and debate that could go on . What\'s the fun of a forum if you can\'t have a heated debate, because some Mod says "the internet bullies are out"?
People were actually discussing history among the insults thrown in. Let it continue. Hell, it\'s one of the better threads this forum has had in a long time.
And P.S
I edited my original post where I insulted Luke. I have nothing against Luke, he\'s a cool guy. I was pissed when he said "Awesome", because, as far as I knew, him and I had no \'internet beef\'. But, oh well, fuck it. That\'s that. I would rather us focus on the fact that thread shouldn\'t of been closed.
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Unicorn makes me angry on a poster\'s level. I think he might be the absolute worst poster in the history of PSX2Central. I\'ve never seen someone be so constantly wrong. His opinions mean nothing. If I was his five year old son I\'d devise a plan to get adopted somehow knowing my life is in immediate jeopardy. He never admits he\'s wrong, instead choosing to write a two page post about some obscure topic briefly mentioned in the thread.
It\'s like watching a specie going extinct in front of your eyes. Everyone knows the result, but he drags on avoidable the inevitable.
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Alright - fine, whatever. I don\'t want to argue with ya\' Luke. I like you.
With that said - there was no reason to close the original thread. Someone said something and people called him on it. Move it to CE, like Giga suggested.
I personally wouldn\'t have closed the original thread. But, mm is the head cheese, so whaddya gonna do?
And Raz, me saying "awesome" was meant sarcastically as to my opinion of how the thread was going.
I forget sarcasm is hard to get with typing.
We have no beef.
But if this thread just turns into a bash Uni thread it\'ll probably just get closed too. I\'m pretty sure he\'s done talking about this.
Anyways, yeah.
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I feel I need to put my 2 cents in because this is beginning to funnel into the very welfare of the board in general and I feel a neutral parties deconstruction of the whole incident is needed. I thought this was just an issue between Raz, Uni and Politie but it is affecting all of us. You can seriously feel the tension in every thread now.
Before I go into my opinion, I just want to be clear that I respect everyone here and have no enemies and do respect everyone\'s opinions no matter if they are right, wrong, gay, serious, a joke, whatever. I just try to read things and respond with an open mind, though sometimes I don\'t like many others.
I did enjoy debating Uni about the Halocaust but I am still a bit confused about why he felt the Jews were not innocent as well as some other facts which I had to reread a few times to get the jist. He even PMed me to see if I understood his post and I explained my stance about how it was a bit unclear. I think I understood what he was TRYING to say but I did not and still do not agree at all with what he had to say.
To be honest, this has dragged out so far, I\'m starting to forget what exactly happened and what the original points were. The only thing that is sticking in my mind right now is the fact he stated the Jews weren\'t innocent, which I disagree with 100% (and because it was repeated so much in different threads that it is the only thing I remember at this point from the original topic). It did come across as the fact that he meant they deserved it but I don\'t know if that was his intention. But what he said was what he said and it doesn\'t matter his intention but how it was communicated and he can\'t take that back.
I do feel he needs to sit down and write a response that is completely clear and coherent as to clear up any confusion of his post. Just saying "look back" doesn\'t help because everyone knows this board; no one really goes back to make sense of a post that was confusing from the get go. He said in the thread he explained it again and again but there was so much mudslinging that I don\'t know if its even there or not or if it was clearer. Either that or just not do anything and see if it dies down (which at this rate it will be a long long time)
I did think polities post was a bit off color and I understood why Raz was upset. I would be too to be honest and I was a bit uneased when I read it. Politie I took was just trying to get a rise out of Raz but wishing harm on someone\'s family, serious or not to certain people is just not a laughing matter. Some just shake it off, others don\'t and Raz I take is very defensive over his family and I understand why he is upset. Insult the poster, not an innocent party
Anyway, I don\'t want to take sides because even though this is an internet message board, I can seriously feel the tension as if we were all sitting in a room. I just wanted to put in my two cents and present everything the way I see it from my observations as a neutral party. If this works or not, who knows. But things are just getting a bit out of hand and need a resolution. I feel that we either need to let this go and move on or someone has to man up and either explain, apologize or clarify.
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Can we all go back to making fun of Fred please?
That \'crippled\' bastard. His sister has aids you know.
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Its days like this I wish swif, Racer or (e) still posted. They could be the butt end of the jokes.
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dint bring them up, they just may show. :(
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Docwiz
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I feel I need to put my 2 cents in because this is beginning to funnel into the very welfare of the board in general and I feel a neutral parties deconstruction of the whole incident is needed. I thought this was just an issue between Raz, Uni and Politie but it is affecting all of us. You can seriously feel the tension in every thread now.
Before I go into my opinion, I just want to be clear that I respect everyone here and have no enemies and do respect everyone\'s opinions no matter if they are right, wrong, gay, serious, a joke, whatever. I just try to read things and respond with an open mind, though sometimes I don\'t like many others.
I did enjoy debating Uni about the Halocaust but I am still a bit confused about why he felt the Jews were not innocent as well as some other facts which I had to reread a few times to get the jist. He even PMed me to see if I understood his post and I explained my stance about how it was a bit unclear. I think I understood what he was TRYING to say but I did not and still do not agree at all with what he had to say.
To be honest, this has dragged out so far, I\'m starting to forget what exactly happened and what the original points were. The only thing that is sticking in my mind right now is the fact he stated the Jews weren\'t innocent, which I disagree with 100% (and because it was repeated so much in different threads that it is the only thing I remember at this point from the original topic). It did come across as the fact that he meant they deserved it but I don\'t know if that was his intention. But what he said was what he said and it doesn\'t matter his intention but how it was communicated and he can\'t take that back.
I do feel he needs to sit down and write a response that is completely clear and coherent as to clear up any confusion of his post. Just saying "look back" doesn\'t help because everyone knows this board; no one really goes back to make sense of a post that was confusing from the get go. He said in the thread he explained it again and again but there was so much mudslinging that I don\'t know if its even there or not or if it was clearer. Either that or just not do anything and see if it dies down (which at this rate it will be a long long time)
I did think polities post was a bit off color and I understood why Raz was upset. I would be too to be honest and I was a bit uneased when I read it. Politie I took was just trying to get a rise out of Raz but wishing harm on someone\'s family, serious or not to certain people is just not a laughing matter. Some just shake it off, others don\'t and Raz I take is very defensive over his family and I understand why he is upset. Insult the poster, not an innocent party
Anyway, I don\'t want to take sides because even though this is an internet message board, I can seriously feel the tension as if we were all sitting in a room. I just wanted to put in my two cents and present everything the way I see it from my observations as a neutral party. If this works or not, who knows. But things are just getting a bit out of hand and need a resolution. I feel that we either need to let this go and move on or someone has to man up and either explain, apologize or clarify.
good post, at least you have the decency to be civil about things. The reason I took out on raz is that I think he deserved it. I wanted him to feel as upset as I was about his comments. I have given my reasons as to why I think what I think, but all he does is ignore it and start namecalling. The reason this debate got heated is raz and raz alone.
Also the fact that he is constantly trying to spin it, as if I (and uni) somehow think the jews deserved it. I don\'t. In fact I have already said so many times in these threads. It was a horrible thing.
The point is, things aren\'t as black and white as people tend to see them. Every group of people has it\'s bad apples and it\'s good apples. It\'s not like all Germans in ww2 were evil nazipigs. Had you been born in 1925 in Germany you might have fought in the German army too. Does that mean you\'re inherently evil? of course not, you were forced into the situation. The same can be said of the jews, there were some good and some bad apples. Now, again, this doesn\'t mean they deserved the holocaust! All I\'m saying is, you have to be careful seeing everything too black and white, you can\'t say jews were all saints and German all sinners, just as much as you can\'t say dutch, american, Italian, etc were all inherently good or bad.
I would really like you, or anybody else who can show the decency to respond in a civil manner to respond to this.
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Unicron made a stupid statement, did not back it up with any logic or rationale thought, did not explain why they were not innocent in relation to the holocaust, will not flat out take it back which is the only saving grace he has left, etc.
We\'re not letting it go until he admits he\'s wrong.
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The reason I took out on raz is that I think he deserved it. I wanted him to feel as upset as I was about his comments. I have given my reasons as to why I think what I think, but all he does is ignore it and start namecalling. The reason this debate got heated is raz and raz alone.
Don\'t even start that one. Every body in that thread except for Clips and Titan were name calling . I was not the only person. And name calling is extremely common on this forum. You\'re the only one who went off topic with comments about my family. You are the only one who wrote a post that got a response like, "wow.. quite a tantrum.". Not me. I really don\'t care what you think about me or my posts. You don\'t like them? Tough shit, buddy. However , what you said, even though this is an internet forum was just sad and pathetic.
I did think polities post was a bit off color and I understood why Raz was upset. I would be too to be honest and I was a bit uneased when I read it. Politie I took was just trying to get a rise out of Raz but wishing harm on someone\'s family, serious or not to certain people is just not a laughing matter. Some just shake it off, others don\'t and Raz I take is very defensive over his family and I understand why he is upset. Insult the poster, not an innocent party
Even the Tit gets my point about your absurd remark.
Unicorn makes me angry on a poster\'s level. I think he might be the absolute worst poster in the history of PSX2Central. I\'ve never seen someone be so constantly wrong. His opinions mean nothing. If I was his five year old son I\'d devise a plan to get adopted somehow knowing my life is in immediate jeopardy. He never admits he\'s wrong, instead choosing to write a two page post about some obscure topic briefly mentioned in the thread.
It\'s like watching a specie going extinct in front of your eyes. Everyone knows the result, but he drags on avoidable the inevitable.
Jumpy nailed it. Uni has to be the single worst poster ever. He makes these absurd remarks, gets called on them and then either writes "read back" or writes some essay that doesn\'t have anything to do with the topic.
I know I can be annoying, but ninety percent of what I say is just bullshitting with people. Just like the baseball thread. I wasn\'t trying to piss any one off and you could tell, by the way Luke and I started with the "this sucks more" responses.
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make me a admin again, so i can rain fire on this shit hole forum.
.. although i am drunk atm, so u can ignore me :D
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Make me a mod again, so I can delete Uni\'s and Pet\'s post for fun.
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I just wanted to chime in.... nazi\'s are bad mkay.
I was gonna write a whole essay about my views on the subject and yatta yatta. But I think I\'ll just copy Luke and play it cool because I am.
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Don\'t even start that one. Every body in that thread except for Clips and Titan were name calling . I was not the only person. And name calling is extremely common on this forum. You\'re the only one who went off topic with comments about my family. You are the only one who wrote a post that got a response like, "wow.. quite a tantrum.". Not me. I really don\'t care what you think about me or my posts. You don\'t like them? Tough shit, buddy. However , what you said, even though this is an internet forum was just sad and pathetic.
Even the Tit gets my point about your absurd remark.
Jumpy nailed it. Uni has to be the single worst poster ever. He makes these absurd remarks, gets called on them and then either writes "read back" or writes some essay that doesn\'t have anything to do with the topic.
I know I can be annoying, but ninety percent of what I say is just bullshitting with people. Just like the baseball thread. I wasn\'t trying to piss any one off and you could tell, by the way Luke and I started with the "this sucks more" responses.
I love how you claim you don\'t care when you clearly do. Oh btw you\'re the one who started the insulting, I was merely reacting. From now on I\'m done talking to you :)
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WTF is going on in this thread?
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Titan I ve sent you a PM for that exact same reason to see if I made myself clear and if there was anything you wanted me to clarify. You did not tell me you were confused about that specific part, neither did you tell me that you are still confused. You told me that you were confused at the beginning only.
That said this is a note to all: this post is directed to Titan and Titan only:
a) since there is an obvious bias against me by others in here that existed for a long time
b) there is also a deliberate effort by a select few to feed the misinterpretation and carry others away with it. It was their long awaited chance. And It works pretty well.
You are free to ask any question you want. Anyone else will be completely ignored. It will be like talking to a wall. Hostility and some of the members\' personality issues, complexes etc are not of my concern. If I decide to reply to someone else as well that means he is willing to discuss not to attack.
First I will make a direct quote because I am completely confident and I dont care how much misinterpretation or misunderstanding it may cause:
Its as if the Jewish have endured the most losses in recent history and we should feel sorry mostly for them. And it is not like they are innocent either.
Everything I will explain now is encapsulated in that quote.
Note that half of the quote refers to past while the second refers to the present (are not were). I did not say "were" because it is like saying that they deserved their fate in the 30-40\'s. The "are" though refers to the fact that the Jews are not free of crime and murders themselves. Their record includes both being victims and victimizers.I am referring to the fact that the Jews are not the biggest victims of recent history. They are one of the biggest victims though. There is nothing in this sentence that is clearly pointing that the Jews deserved it nor that the holocaust wasnt a big deal. I understood though that my sentence was subject of ambiguity and it confused later on. So I wanted to clarify on it and I did try. Thats why I told you that I view the holocaust as a huge and tragic event to eliminate the misunderstandings. It is indeed a HUGELY TRAGIC EVENT! ONE OF THE WORST
That quote though was pointing towards something else too. The fact that other losses, crimes and events are minimilized next to the holocaust. Not an effort to minimalize the holocaust as some others tend to claim.
If there is someone who needs to be finger pointed at is not me. But others who view the holocaust as the biggest and most tragic event, while such tragic events are many. To an extend that almost none of us even remember, care or mention for example the 20 million Russians killed also by the Nazis (including children, women, men and soldiers). A number far surpassing the 6 million Jews. And that because the words "holocaust" or "genocide" are not attached on them. Those "throwing the stone" should watch their faces in the mirror and ask their selves who is undermining what, and who is almost acting as if communists or Russians deserved to die or as if it wasnt as serious as the death of Jews (no genocide tag? Not big deal). They are just as bad. But the Russians never got the same empathy. Even though they lost much more.
I tried to explain farther that our perception of the holocaust is inflated at the cost of other tragedies and facts. Including the fact that the countries that claim to be saviors or supporters of the Jews, did not want the Jews either. They killed Jews theirselves during the WW2 by bombing the concentration camps, and they didnt care to stop the bastard Hitler from getting rid of the Jews until Hitler turned against them. Hypocrisy ruled after the end of the WW2 and exploited the holocaust (thus they exploited the misery and death of the Jews) by adding a few twists, as an effort to attack any communist support and undermine public awareness of the Russian losses.
This also served as means of practicing nationalistic propaganda inside their countries.
Today whoever tries to point out the EU, US and Israel effort to exploit the Jewish holocaust for their political and nationalistic interests, is misunderstood as being an anti-semitic, a Jew-hater, a Nazi supporter.
This thread was the definite proof of my point. The effort to prove me wrong automatically proves my point right. It proves that the propaganda was an outstanding success. And if I did that discussion on purpose to prove this, it would have been an outstanding success as well. The expected behavior is extremely visible
My great grandfather and grandfather fought against the Nazis during the WW2, my best friend is subject of an attack by the Neo-Nazis in Russia, and a Neo-Nazi supporter in my country wants to harm me because I am fighting against his stupid views.These stupid accusations towards me and Politiepet do not have any relation with reality.
These are my views. End of Story
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WTF is going on in this thread?
Things were said, feelings got hurt... The world keeps spinnin\'.
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Regarding some of the expected replies from other members:
Any insulting characterizations and efforts to make me admit something I do not agree with are redundant and ignored. For those that are more capable at name calling, insults, bias and hostility than discuss feel free to talk to the wall.
But I can forgive and continue as if nothing happened as long as any of you are willing to put it back and discuss in a civilized manner. I do NOT hold anything against ANYONE.
If someone wants to have direct answers, this is my email SayNoToFascism@hotmail.com
I d gladly discuss with anyone in msn if he requests too.
I want to take this OUT of the forum, since I do not want Politiepet to be trashed anymore because of me and I do not want the forum to keep looking like a stupid warzone with no purpose! This forum deserves better
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Titan I ve sent you a PM for that exact same reason to see if I made myself clear and if there was anything you wanted me to clarify. You did not tell me you were confused about that specific part, neither did you tell me that you are still confused. You told me that you were confused at the beginning only.
That said this is a note to all: this post is directed to Titan and Titan only:
a) since there is an obvious bias against me by others in here that existed for a long time
b) there is also a deliberate effort by a select few to feed the misinterpretation and carry others away with it. It was their long awaited chance. And It works pretty well.
You are free to ask any question you want. Anyone else will be completely ignored. It will be like talking to a wall. Hostility and some of the members\' personality issues, complexes etc are not of my concern. If I decide to reply to someone else as well that means he is willing to discuss not to attack.
First I will make a direct quote because I am completely confident and I dont care how much misinterpretation or misunderstanding it may cause:
Everything I will explain now is encapsulated in that quote.
Note that half of the quote refers to past while the second refers to the present (are not were). I did not say "were" because it is like saying that they deserved their fate in the 30-40\'s. The "are" though refers to the fact that the Jews are not free of crime and murders themselves. Their record includes both being victims and victimizers.I am referring to the fact that the Jews are not the biggest victims of recent history. They are one of the biggest victims though. There is nothing in this sentence that is clearly pointing that the Jews deserved it nor that the holocaust wasnt a big deal. I understood though that my sentence was subject of ambiguity and it confused later on. So I wanted to clarify on it and I did try. Thats why I told you that I view the holocaust as a huge and tragic event to eliminate the misunderstandings. It is indeed a HUGELY TRAGIC EVENT! ONE OF THE WORST
That quote though was pointing towards something else too. The fact that other losses, crimes and events are minimilized next to the holocaust. Not an effort to minimalize the holocaust as some others tend to claim.
If there is someone who needs to be finger pointed at is not me. But others who view the holocaust as the biggest and most tragic event, while such tragic events are many. To an extend that almost none of us even remember, care or mention for example the 20 million Russians killed also by the Nazis (including children, women, men and soldiers). A number far surpassing the 6 million Jews. And that because the words "holocaust" or "genocide" are not attached on them. Those "throwing the stone" should watch their faces in the mirror and ask their selves who is undermining what, and who is almost acting as if communists or Russians deserved to die or as if it wasnt as serious as the death of Jews (no genocide tag? Not big deal). They are just as bad. But the Russians never got the same empathy. Even though they lost much more.
I tried to explain farther that our perception of the holocaust is inflated at the cost of other tragedies and facts. Including the fact that the countries that claim to be saviors or supporters of the Jews, did not want the Jews either. They killed Jews theirselves during the WW2 by bombing the concentration camps, and they didnt care to stop the bastard Hitler from getting rid of the Jews until Hitler turned against them. Hypocrisy ruled after the end of the WW2 and exploited the holocaust (thus they exploited the misery and death of the Jews) by adding a few twists, as an effort to attack any communist support and undermine public awareness of the Russian losses.
This also served as means of practicing nationalistic propaganda inside their countries.
Today whoever tries to point out the EU, US and Israel effort to exploit the Jewish holocaust for their political and nationalistic interests, is misunderstood as being an anti-semitic, a Jew-hater, a Nazi supporter.
This thread was the definite proof of my point. The effort to prove me wrong automatically proves my point right. It proves that the propaganda was an outstanding success. And if I did that discussion on purpose to prove this, it would have been an outstanding success as well. The expected behavior is extremely visible
My great grandfather and grandfather fought against the Nazis during the WW2, my best friend is subject of an attack by the Neo-Nazis in Russia, and a Neo-Nazi supporter in my country wants to harm me because I am fighting against his stupid views.These stupid accusations towards me and Politiepet do not have any relation with reality.
These are my views. End of Story
Nazowned!
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pffft the holocaust never even happened... duh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
cuz wikipedia is always true
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"Holocaust denial is the claim..."
its not saying it\'s true. the claim, itself, is true though.
don\'t ever question wikipedia again
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Titan I ve sent you a PM for that exact same reason to see if I made myself clear and if there was anything you wanted me to clarify. You did not tell me you were confused about that specific part, neither did you tell me that you are still confused. You told me that you were confused at the beginning only.
That said this is a note to all: this post is directed to Titan and Titan only:
a) since there is an obvious bias against me by others in here that existed for a long time
b) there is also a deliberate effort by a select few to feed the misinterpretation and carry others away with it. It was their long awaited chance. And It works pretty well.
You are free to ask any question you want. Anyone else will be completely ignored. It will be like talking to a wall. Hostility and some of the members\' personality issues, complexes etc are not of my concern. If I decide to reply to someone else as well that means he is willing to discuss not to attack.
First I will make a direct quote because I am completely confident and I dont care how much misinterpretation or misunderstanding it may cause:
Everything I will explain now is encapsulated in that quote.
Note that half of the quote refers to past while the second refers to the present (are not were). I did not say "were" because it is like saying that they deserved their fate in the 30-40\'s. The "are" though refers to the fact that the Jews are not free of crime and murders themselves. Their record includes both being victims and victimizers.I am referring to the fact that the Jews are not the biggest victims of recent history. They are one of the biggest victims though. There is nothing in this sentence that is clearly pointing that the Jews deserved it nor that the holocaust wasnt a big deal. I understood though that my sentence was subject of ambiguity and it confused later on. So I wanted to clarify on it and I did try. Thats why I told you that I view the holocaust as a huge and tragic event to eliminate the misunderstandings. It is indeed a HUGELY TRAGIC EVENT! ONE OF THE WORST
That quote though was pointing towards something else too. The fact that other losses, crimes and events are minimilized next to the holocaust. Not an effort to minimalize the holocaust as some others tend to claim.
If there is someone who needs to be finger pointed at is not me. But others who view the holocaust as the biggest and most tragic event, while such tragic events are many. To an extend that almost none of us even remember, care or mention for example the 20 million Russians killed also by the Nazis (including children, women, men and soldiers). A number far surpassing the 6 million Jews. And that because the words "holocaust" or "genocide" are not attached on them. Those "throwing the stone" should watch their faces in the mirror and ask their selves who is undermining what, and who is almost acting as if communists or Russians deserved to die or as if it wasnt as serious as the death of Jews (no genocide tag? Not big deal). They are just as bad. But the Russians never got the same empathy. Even though they lost much more.
I tried to explain farther that our perception of the holocaust is inflated at the cost of other tragedies and facts. Including the fact that the countries that claim to be saviors or supporters of the Jews, did not want the Jews either. They killed Jews theirselves during the WW2 by bombing the concentration camps, and they didnt care to stop the bastard Hitler from getting rid of the Jews until Hitler turned against them. Hypocrisy ruled after the end of the WW2 and exploited the holocaust (thus they exploited the misery and death of the Jews) by adding a few twists, as an effort to attack any communist support and undermine public awareness of the Russian losses.
This also served as means of practicing nationalistic propaganda inside their countries.
Today whoever tries to point out the EU, US and Israel effort to exploit the Jewish holocaust for their political and nationalistic interests, is misunderstood as being an anti-semitic, a Jew-hater, a Nazi supporter.
This thread was the definite proof of my point. The effort to prove me wrong automatically proves my point right. It proves that the propaganda was an outstanding success. And if I did that discussion on purpose to prove this, it would have been an outstanding success as well. The expected behavior is extremely visible
My great grandfather and grandfather fought against the Nazis during the WW2, my best friend is subject of an attack by the Neo-Nazis in Russia, and a Neo-Nazi supporter in my country wants to harm me because I am fighting against his stupid views.These stupid accusations towards me and Politiepet do not have any relation with reality.
These are my views. End of Story
You know why the Russians don\'t get empathy? Because THEY COULD fight back. The Jews didn\'t have an army, guns, etc. Also one could argue the Soviet numbers are inflated due to their tactics of dumping numbers into a battle regardless of losses because they could. Also the Soviets were allied with Germany until 1942.
In quite a few battles that the German\'s lost - statistically they killed the twice the amount of Soviets than than troops they lost.
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Titan I ve sent you a PM for that exact same reason to see if I made myself clear and if there was anything you wanted me to clarify. You did not tell me you were confused about that specific part, neither did you tell me that you are still confused. You told me that you were confused at the beginning only.
That said this is a note to all: this post is directed to Titan and Titan only:
a) since there is an obvious bias against me by others in here that existed for a long time
b) there is also a deliberate effort by a select few to feed the misinterpretation and carry others away with it. It was their long awaited chance. And It works pretty well.
You are free to ask any question you want. Anyone else will be completely ignored. It will be like talking to a wall. Hostility and some of the members\' personality issues, complexes etc are not of my concern. If I decide to reply to someone else as well that means he is willing to discuss not to attack.
It didn\'t dawn on me until I went back after the PMs we sent each other but at that point it turned into a flamefest so at that point I didn\'t care anymore nor would it have mattered.
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if you guys can\'t fight nice, threads will be closed.
it doesn\'t take much effort to show maturity in a debate.
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I love how you claim you don\'t care when you clearly do. Oh btw you\'re the one who started the insulting, I was merely reacting. From now on I\'m done talking to you :)
Cry me a river, you big baby. I insulted you - whoopie. Insult me back, but you don\'t have to be a big pussy and start wishing children dead. That, even on a forum, is a disgusting thing to say and just shows how worthless, you, as a human being are.
As for Uni\'s long and pointless essay. Nice try to spin it. We were talking about the holocaust and you went in a different direction with your pointless comment about the Jews are not innocent. Fine, the holocaust isn\'t one of the single most tragic event in the world. On the other hand, how are suppose to read it? When you are talking about a single event and then some dumbass comes out and makes an offensive remark like that, expect to catch heat.
You can try and spin it any single way you want, but you have yet to come up with a logical reason for saying what you said.
Today whoever tries to point out the EU, US and Israel effort to exploit the Jewish holocaust for their political and nationalistic interests, is misunderstood as being an anti-semitic, a Jew-hater, a Nazi supporter.
This thread was the definite proof of my point. The effort to prove me wrong automatically proves my point right. It proves that the propaganda was an outstanding success. And if I did that discussion on purpose to prove this, it would have been an outstanding success as well. The expected behavior is extremely visible
Here you go with your completely off base and stupid comments. No one is trying to exploit the holocaust.
Ever think there is a "biased against you", because you constantly make these absurd remarks? Jumpy nailed it when he said you can easily be considered one of the worst posters this forum has ever seen.
if you guys can\'t fight nice, threads will be closed.
it doesn\'t take much effort to show maturity in a debate.
Today 08:00 PM
Go ahead and start closing every single thread in CE then, by all means.
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pff! go cry me a river! Who are you to judge where we should draw the line! In the end, you were the one who came in here and started insulting me to my very core. You had it coming to you that I would retaliate and your a hypocrite for crying that I don\'t play it nice.... To me you were already crossing the line, I don\'t see why I would have to be respectful about the way I got back at you.
back on topic: NOT!!!!\'s a link that explains my and uni\'s point in great detail... Call us crazy all you want, but there are a shitload of historians who will tell you exactly the same as we did.
edit: link removed for obvious reasons...
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pff! go cry me a river! Who are you to judge where we should draw the line! In the end, you were the one who came in here and started insulting me to my very core. You had it coming to you that I would retaliate and your a hypocrite for crying that I don\'t play it nice.... To me you were already crossing the line, I don\'t see why I would have to be respectful about the way I got back at you.
back on topic: here (http://www.davidduke.com/general/1934_1934.html)\'s a link that explains my and uni\'s point in great detail... Call us crazy all you want, but there are a shitload of historians who will tell you exactly the same as we did.
HAHAHA @ shitloads of historians. Yeah, keep dreaming.
There is also people who believe the world is flat. We call them idiots now\'a\'days.
And if you need a link to explain your beliefs, then you are seriously screwed.
I insulted you at the very core? Which time? The time I said I fell asleep reading your post or was it the time I compared you to your butt-buddy, Uni?
As for the whole "drawing the line". It\'s an obvious thing, that even Tit acknowledged. Fair play is the poster. It\'s just common sense, something you, obviously lack.
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wait... the world isn\'t flat?!?!!
"kills self"
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wait... the world isn\'t flat?!?!!
"kills self"
No, it isn\'t.
And woodchips is not an actual currency.
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pff! go cry me a river! Who are you to judge where we should draw the line! In the end, you were the one who came in here and started insulting me to my very core. You had it coming to you that I would retaliate and your a hypocrite for crying that I don\'t play it nice.... To me you were already crossing the line, I don\'t see why I would have to be respectful about the way I got back at you.
back on topic: here (http://www.davidduke.com/general/1934_1934.html)\'s a link that explains my and uni\'s point in great detail... Call us crazy all you want, but there are a shitload of historians who will tell you exactly the same as we did.
Ok I am going to call you crazy. That link that you posted to support your point is to DAVID DUKE\'s website LMAO. I am sorry, but almost every American knows about that guy. He is an ex Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan , He formed the National Association for the Advancement of White People and his ex wife started the website Stormfront among other things.
It is no wonder you two are nuts.
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As for Uni\'s long and pointless essay. Nice try to spin it. We were talking about the holocaust and you went in a different direction with your pointless comment about the Jews are not innocent. Fine, the holocaust isn\'t one of the single most tragic event in the world. On the other hand, how are suppose to read it? When you are talking about a single event and then some dumbass comes out and makes an offensive remark like that, expect to catch heat.
You can try and spin it any single way you want, but you have yet to come up with a logical reason for saying what you said.
That\'s pretty much how I saw it too. The "innocent" remark makes absolutely no sense in the context of the discussion and is totally irrelevant...more than the holocaust nonsense anyway. He wanted to say that a few Jews were guilty of some minor tragedies so uh...their whole people are not innocent of any past/present/future crimes.
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Or you can look at it this way...
If there was a thread about slavery, and I chimed in and said, "well its not like they\'re all innocent", You better believe that Clips would be at my front door with a baseball bat.
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Or you can look at it this way...
If there was a thread about slavery, and I chimed in and said, "well its not like they\'re all innocent", You better believe that Clips would be at my front door with a baseball bat.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by Unicron!
c)Allies using the holocaust as a tragic event despite that they did not want the Jews. Holocaust also considered in propaganda studies as a real event used for propaganda purposes by the EU allies and the US including as a counter attack towards any form of admiration and empathy for the Russian entry that determined the loss of the Nazi\'s, causing the death of 20 million Russian\'s.
???????????
Wanna clarify just what the hell you\'re trying to say there???
20m Russians died because 6m Jews died??? :confused:
Russians died because the West used the Holocaust to create Israel??? :confused:
Few people recognized Russia\'s contribution to WW2...so...they died??? :confused:
OOOOoooooh.....Now I get it. Its because you dont know much about the details of history, the political, social and economic state of the countries and their relations, thats why you misinterpret constantly my posts. I cant help you in that. I can not afford wasting my time trying to teach someone with blinders and no manners. I am not a professor and I can not punish you in any way.
Thats ok though. The only thing I can do for you is show understanding.
That was a total asshole reply...
I asked you a simple fucking question, insult-free, and you proceed to insult my intelligence?
All I did was try to interpret what you said, based on the way you worded it and instead of clarifying, like I asked, you just respond with the same response throughout the whole thread: "Not gonna explain it, read again, blah blah blah..."
These are YOUR EXACT WORDS: ...a real event used for propaganda purposes by the EU allies and the US including as a counter attack towards any form of admiration and empathy for the Russian entry that determined the loss of the Nazi\'s, causing the death of 20 million Russian\'s.
Just tell me, how the hell do you interpret a poorly worded sentence like that to mean anything other than the Holocaust was responsible for 20m dead Russians?
Then you proceed to cry that English is not your primary language?
If you had said that first and tried to work with us, we wouldn\'t have such hostility but you just came off as an asshole...
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Lets shit in his mouth.
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You hold him down and I\'ll shit directly into his time-wasting mouth.
I love Louis C.K.
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Ok I am going to call you crazy. That link that you posted to support your point is to DAVID DUKE\'s website LMAO. I am sorry, but almost every American knows about that guy. He is an ex Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan , He formed the National Association for the Advancement of White People and his ex wife started the website Stormfront among other things.
It is no wonder you two are nuts.
That awesome i didnt even click on the link till i saw your post. he might as well have quoted directly from Mien Kamph. but it would only be funny if he was oblivious to who hitler was
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The ownage here is legendary. Game, set and match. For posterity, I will quote this.
That was a total asshole reply...
I asked you a simple fucking question, insult-free, and you proceed to insult my intelligence?
All I did was try to interpret what you said, based on the way you worded it and instead of clarifying, like I asked, you just respond with the same response throughout the whole thread: "Not gonna explain it, read again, blah blah blah..."
These are YOUR EXACT WORDS: ...a real event used for propaganda purposes by the EU allies and the US including as a counter attack towards any form of admiration and empathy for the Russian entry that determined the loss of the Nazi\'s, causing the death of 20 million Russian\'s.
Just tell me, how the hell do you interpret a poorly worded sentence like that to mean anything other than the Holocaust was responsible for 20m dead Russians?
Then you proceed to cry that English is not your primary language?
If you had said that first and tried to work with us, we wouldn\'t have such hostility but you just came off as an asshole...
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Before this thread goes the way of the previous 2, I will just make it clear that I was NOT part of that whole debate about Jews not being innocent or deserving the Holocaust...
I only asked a few simple questions, because of Unicron\'s confusing posts, and still haven\'t received any (coherent) responses...
So, Uni, care to answer them, like you did the others in that essay you typed or should I "go back and read"?
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I\'m just glad my thread has served some good.
Here ya\' go Pet, here is the guy who supports you and Uni\'s beliefs.
David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is a former Louisiana State Representative, a candidate in presidential primaries for the Democratic and Republican parties, and former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.[2][3][4][5][6][7]
David Duke has taught a course in History and International Relations at the Ukrainian Interregional Academy of Personnel Management (MAUP). Duke\'s critics commonly refer to him as a white supremacist, but Duke says he is a white nationalist. Duke denies being a racist and says he is a racial realist and, "all people have a basic human right to preserve their own heritage."[8] He speaks in favor of racial segregation and white separatism.[9][10][11]
Notice any thing?
Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan?
Speaks in favor of racial segregation and white separatism.
Or how about this article.
Is Russia the Key to White survival?
Posted under:
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Is Russia the Key to White Survival?
David Duke speaks at the Mykovsky Museum
Everyone reading the David Duke Report understands the crisis faced by the White World. All White nations have a severe non-White immigration crisis. Every White nation has a critically low birthrate that will result in a greatly diminished White population. In America, even the U.S. Government has officially projected that those of European descent will become a minority in four or five decades. We will be outnumbered and outvoted in the nation our forefathers built!
By all means, post another link explaining your and Uni\'s stance on this subject. We all enjoy reading rhetoric from a complete racist bastard. Least it explains a lot about you two.
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This is the biggest ownage on this board since Racer wrestled in the shower.
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I\'m just glad my thread has served some good.
Here ya\' go Pet, here is the guy who supports you and Uni\'s beliefs.
Notice any thing?
Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan?
Speaks in favor of racial segregation and white separatism.
Or how about this article.
By all means, post another link explaining your and Uni\'s stance on this subject. We all enjoy reading rhetoric from a complete racist bastard. Least it explains a lot about you two.
Didn\'t I say that in my post? Either way, I think it needs to reposted again and again until he sees who his source is. Maybe he is too embarrassed to post a reply. I would be.
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Didn\'t I say that in my post? Either way, I think it needs to reposted again and again until he sees who his source is. Maybe he is too embarrassed to post a reply. I would be.
Yeah, you said it.
I just added to it by showing the source itself, quoting articles and what not.
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I did not know that, because I have never heard of the guy, so obviously I will hand that one to you (And quite frankly am pretty embarrassed about it). I remain by my stance on the subject though. When you consider the fact that 52 million people died during the second world war, the 46 million other casualties are overshadowed by the 6 million, when in my opinion everyone of them is equally sad.
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I did not know that, because I have never heard of the guy, so obviously I will hand that one to you (And quite frankly am pretty embarrassed about it). I remain by my stance on the subject though. When you consider the fact that 52 million people died during the second world war, the 46 million other casualties are overshadowed by the 6 million, when in my opinion everyone of them is equally sad.
So you just post links saying that we should read them to understand you, without even knowing what that person is about? I mean, you\'re the one who said people with a PhD support your whole stance and then you turn around and post that link? I mean, it\'s not like you can\'t just browse his site and see things, such as the article I quoted. Wanna enlighten us on how you just came across his site and it just so happened to support your stance?
Or better yet, are we suppose to believe that you found this link, truly believed in this guy, but you never bothered to Google his name and read what he was truly about?
And even better is, your whole thing about the 46 million dying, really has ZERO to do with what started this whole thing. Do we need to go back to the start of it? Do we really need to bring out the whole "the Jews aren\'t innocent" quote , yet again? No one was talking about "6 million" vs "46 million". No, instead we were calling Uni out on his absurd, dumb and down right offensive comment.
And just for the record, going back and editing out your link, is even more pathetic. It\'s been exposed, you may as well leave it up.
Keep diggin\' that hole, buddy.
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Unfortunately Politiepet accidentally found a link of a KKK moron who obviously found some real sources and exploited them accordingly to satisfy his racist views.
People like him (David whatever) exist from both ends. From those minimalizing the holocaust to the extend that they deny it to those maximizing. Any actual information can be manipulated and used accordingly. KKK and Neo-Nazis do the same just as other have exploited the holocaust.
I am taking a middle position. And so is Politiepet. But I am dealing with the consequences for this middle position because I can be attacked by both sides ranging from racists and Neonazi\'s to those that are carried away by incomplete information and live in denial.
Unfortunately there is no middle in here. Just the far end of one side only.
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I admit that I was too hasty in providing the link, I should have known that just googling holocaust compared to other casualties (or something like that, can\'t remember what I used exactly) was bound to produce some idiot racist text.
I understand that I am gonna get ridiculed for it and I\'ll silently undergo it ;) (except from lic of course).
Having said that, I will provide you with a new link, this time from the american professor David E. Stannard, of whom I\'m pretty sure he\'s no member of the KKK (Although I\'m gonna have to keep my fingers crossed on this one ;)). You\'re probably not gonna read it, but if you do, I would really like some response on it.
linKKK (http://www.codoh.com/reference/dangofcall.html) :eek:
On the problems you have with uni, I have to say, I don\'t understand the confusion because I think I know what he meant, but maybe it would be wiser to say that my opinion on the subject is only that, which I have (tried to) make clear myself. Because if I was the one who misunderstood what he was trying to say, I will gladly make clear his views are not mine.
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Thats because they dont want to read or if they dare read they just scan it because their minds are already set. My last post in this thread explains my views again. Yet the same thing is being continued. Well thats ok.
Edit: I am currently trying to acquire the numbers of other "types" of victims as well. I found someone who claims that numbers of other victims were much higher although I view it with some slight suspicion. It will be interesting to see the numbers if she can provide them and can be verified.
Edit 2: Just to keep misunderstandings away. I have to note that I did not try to deny the holocaust in any of my views nor do I personally deny it and I am sure the same counts for Politiepet. I am open to every possibility though including the possibility of an overestimation of the numbers. That said even if they are fewer that doesnt mean that the Nazi\'s are to be blamed less, nor that they did not aim to get rid of the Jews
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Dude, you should be a politician with the way you completely ignore direct questions. It\'s really impressive.
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Dude, you should be a politician with the way you completely ignore direct questions. It\'s really impressive.
I ve answered my views directly in the previous page. If anyone wants to talk to me directly for farther clarification I ve provided my hotmail. I will not help the same bias and stupidity to be repeated again in the forum. Hostility is still here.
Others should become lawyers for not listening and repeating the same question no matter how many times it is answered until they force the reply they want.
edit: Oh and btw. Not just my views but I made a direct quote of my post in question and analyzed thoroughly what I ment
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Unicron, I think they would like you to present some examples of the supposed crimes the jews performed, since you kind of glanced over that particular point. That I think might be were they thing you fall short.
Note that half of the quote refers to past while the second refers to the present (are not were). I did not say "were" because it is like saying that they deserved their fate in the 30-40\'s. The "are" though refers to the fact that the Jews are not free of crime and murders themselves.
The difference perhaps between you and me lies in the fact that I only say the jews are as much free of crimes as any other race, country, group, ethnicity. They, perhaps, feel that you come across as though you mean they are worse...
I hope I\'m getting this right...
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Unicron, I think they would like you to present some examples of the supposed crimes the jews performed, since you kind of glanced over that particular point. That I think might be were they thing you fall short.
The difference perhaps between you and me lies in the fact that I only say the jews are as much free of crimes as any other race, country, group, ethnicity. They, perhaps, feel that you come across as though you mean they are worse...
I hope I\'m getting this right...
If this is the case they should be more careful since I have attacked the EU and the US more than the Jews, for exploiting the holocaust. I ve referred to Jew crimes only once and that I directed to Israel\'s crimes. I thought I made that clear in my previous posts.
They did not ask about the crimes. They asked why I believed they deserved it and they used a specific part in my post to support this, which made me go "WTF"!
If I started explaining Israel\'s crimes directly instead of trying to clarify that this is not what I ment I would have given the impression that I excused the holocaust by using their crimes as an arguement.
Truth is I was alluding towards the general perception we have about the Jews: that we remember them mostly as the victims of the holocaust, but our attention towards their present crimes range from weak to non-existent. They are just as criminous and inhumane as what they Nazis have been doing to them too.
It is not hard to find about their crimes. A quick search can reveal a lot. Here is one small example.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4580139.stm
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=9407
http://www.mediamonitors.net/francis7.html
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Oh no, we just want to know how "the Jews aren\'t innocent" is some how related to a direct discussion of holocaust. We\'re still waiting on that one, other than tired answers like.
"Read back."
"Already answered."
"Not going to answer."
"You wouldn\'t understand."
Or my favorite excuse is how English isn\'t your first language.
Luke is right. Consider a career in politics, because you\'re a pro at dancing around the question and issues at hand.
Hell, even Phil nailed it earlier.. How about we just say black people deserved slavery, because some black people have also committed crimes, there for, as a race they are not "innocent".
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See what I mean?
Oh no, we just want to know how "the Jews aren\'t innocent" is some how related to a direct discussion of holocaust. We\'re still waiting on that one, other than tired answers like.
"Read back."
"Already answered."
"Not going to answer."
"You wouldn\'t understand."
Or my favorite excuse is how English isn\'t your first language.
Luke is right. Consider a career in politics, because you\'re a pro at dancing around the question and issues at hand.
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Yet another one of your famous posts, where you dodge every thing being discussed.
Good job, goat boy.
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Truth is I was alluding towards the general perception we have about the Jews: that we remember them mostly as the victims of the holocaust, but our attention towards their present crimes range from weak to non-existent. They are just as criminous and inhumane as what they Nazis have been doing to them too.
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Therefor - the Jews are not innocent and the holocaust was justified.
Thanks for clearing this one up.
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Here we go again
You said it not me
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seriously uni, that\'s what your implying. And why are you even connecting crimes by israel to holocaust victimes..israel didnt even exist during WWII. Even if they did, how does a governments crime have any relation to the crimes done to the jews? 1) they weren\'t israelis and 2) They were just normal, lower/middle class people for the most part and have nothing to do with the crimes your alluding to.
And no shit theyd use the holocaust as propaganda. It was a shit event that almost any government would use. there\'s still no connection to their use of propaganda to being sympathetic to what happened to innocent people. And just because your sympathetic to those people doesnt mean your not being sympathetic to the shit-ton of other inhumane and shitty things that have happened through history. Just happens that theres a lot more disturbing footage and pictures of these people than almost anything else so naturally it gets more attention than other crimes
edit: i dunno why i said shit a lot, haha..i\'d edit it but you\'ve probably already read it by now
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You know, there is a reason every one disagrees with your point and is "mis understanding you". Put two and two together, buddy.
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seriously uni, that\'s what your implying. And why are you even connecting crimes by israel to holocaust victimes..israel didnt even exist during WWII. Even if they did, how does a governments crime have any relation to the crimes done to the jews? 1) they weren\'t israelis and 2) They were just normal, lower/middle class people for the most part and have nothing to do with the crimes your alluding to.
Thats not what I am implying! I am stating clearly that the holocaust is being viewed as the biggest and most tragic event in history when paradoxically there are crimes today that do not get the same attention. Ironically some of which Israel is doing and are excused as a self defense by terrorists or ignored! I dont see anybody here or anyone else getting sensitive about this or showing the same annoyance. Are they doing anything less immoral? Less criminous?
And no shit theyd use the holocaust as propaganda. It was a shit event that almost any government would use. there\'s still no connection to their use of propaganda to being sympathetic to what happened to innocent people. And just because your sympathetic to those people doesnt mean your not being sympathetic to the shit-ton of other inhumane and shitty things that have happened through history. Just happens that theres a lot more disturbing footage and pictures of these people than almost anything else so naturally it gets more attention than other crimes
It wasnt used to be sympathetic to the Jews. Understand the morale behind their propaganda! Thats not what they cared about. They didnt even care for the Jews and the EU Allies didnt want them in their countries! It was exploited in order to take away attention from the losses and contribution of others.
You may view the losses of others as bad too but the impact their propaganda had was to outshadow the impact they would have to people. Thats why everyone remembers the Jew deaths and even find excuses for not giving the same emphasis to the deaths of others.They shifted their attention to the Jews that were no longer a problem. You just proved this with your perception of the losses.
Russia and Communism was viewed as a future thread, they knew that Russia was bound to get lots of empathy for the deaths and for winning the Nazis in Berlin! They knew that either communism would expand to Europe because of this or Russia would gain support and bigger power. They used the holocaust for that purpose. Thats not something I pulled out of my pocket.
As for the pictures you are showing how effectice is their use as a tool of propaganda. They showed you only the Jews, but the deaths of others were just as freakish! They just didnt show you pictures. In these pits there are also gays, handicapped people, Gypsies, communists etc! And you should also see pictures of the deaths outside the concentration camps.
Actually its me who should be asking you: Are you implying that the deaths of others arent as bada sthe Jews and doesnt deserve the same attention? Because they didnt show you pictures or because they arent Jews? And because they werent subject of propaganda? You imply this much more than me! And I want answers
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"minimalizing" is not a common word. Please use "minimizing."
That\'s all. Carry on. :)
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i never said they were trying to get sympathy. but you being against their use of propoganda sounds to me like your being less sympathetic to what happened to those civilians because of a governments use of exploiting it.
and my whole point was that all of these crimes are equally bad. and did i say i gave the holocaust more attention? no. im talking about the majority of people. We went to maybe 3 museums through middle-school, and twice were holocaust-based ones (the second one was racism in general, but the holocaust was a big part of it)..hence the more attention of the masses, at least here. And i never justified it as being okay, just that thats the way i saw people around me and their attention. If they know a lot more about the holocaust than any other event, obviously that\'s going to be in the forefront of their minds
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i never said they were trying to get sympathy. but you being against their use of propoganda sounds to me like your being less sympathetic to what happened to those civilians because of a governments use of exploiting it.
and my whole point was that all of these crimes are equally bad. and did i say i gave the holocaust more attention? no. im talking about the majority of people. We went to maybe 3 museums through school, and twice were holocaust-based ones (the second one was racism in general, but the holocaust was a big part of it)..hence the more attention of the masses, at least here. And i never justified it as being okay, just that thats the way i saw people around me and their attention. If they know a lot more about the holocaust than any other event, obviously that\'s going to be in the forefront of their minds
My problem was the morale behind the propaganda. I am totally against any form of propaganda actually. I am not against stating historical facts though. Propaganda is the methodical and systematical spread of ideas with the purpose of influencing and manipulating opinion. Its aim is not to inform. I am sympathetic to all the lost souls. What I do not agree with is the fact that the masses are not just as sympathetic to everyone. They only emphasize on one race.
You might have not even seen museums dedicated that much specifically to the holocaust today if our countries didnt aim to influence and manipulate. These museums could be either byproducts of the propaganda of the times, ( and it many occasions they may serve as tools of propaganda). If the flow of information targets the holocaust thats where museums are going to rely and thats where novels, movies, books etc are going to rely as well. In reality we should have been seeing museums dedicated just as much to all losses including the battles. The Nazi\'s werent mostly a thread for the Jews. It was a thread for the whole world.
And we should be seeing even more genocides and holocausts in museums even those referring to the crimes of our countries.
Only if we see and accept everyone\'s mistakes including ours will we see a difference between human relations. Currently there is too much misinformation, too much pride and we hide in our countries pointing the finger or showing remorse to only specific groups.
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"minimalizing" is not a common word. Please use "minimizing."
That\'s all. Carry on. :)
Advice taken
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You know, there is a reason every one disagrees with your point and is "mis understanding you". Put two and two together, buddy.
There is also a reason why when politie was googling for something to back up his and Uninut\'s point he found that some white supremest/KKK Grand Wizard held the same point of view.
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Yeah the fact that information can be used both ways ;)
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i\'ve come to accept propoganda as just something thats going to happen whether we like it or not. if you fall for it, learn. I fell for it as a freshmen in high school, and don\'t plan on it again. If you dont learn..then youre too stupid to matter
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Oh I would mostly agree. I like your take on propaganda. But we should also be aware that we are constantly victims or at least potential victims of different forms of propaganda. It is not always visible. Thats why it is often so successful.
I dont get what kind of propaganda you fell in though as a freshman. Can you share if you want? Is it with political parties in school?
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iraq. almost everyone in my school (in my grade) was so gung-ho when the war started because of the governments portrayal of the war and the use of 9/11. we were watching the first attack in baghdad on the news and people were cheering as bombs hit.
Even my friend who\'se as far left as anyone i know now wanted to, or at least imagined, joining the military to fight that first year. but that changed as the situation progressed
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Truth is I was alluding towards the general perception we have about the Jews: that we remember them mostly as the victims of the holocaust, but our attention towards their present crimes range from weak to non-existent. They are just as criminous and inhumane as what they Nazis have been doing to them too.
Wow, way to dig yourself into a bigger hole of idiocy.
I love how he used this as his grand retort too.
And politiepet, you\'ve been soul owned, please stop posting.
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At least you have the decency to say please ;) Although you are still too close minded, that probably wont change so I\'ll ignore it from now on...
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Yeah I don\'t consider a white KKK supremacist\'s opinions valid. I\'m very close minded like that.
I just want to know if you honestly believe you or Unicron is even close to being right. Everyone is at arms with how ridiculous your posts have been...yet you seem undeterred. Did your parents raise you to only have one opinion and stick with it to the bitter end? Sounds like you and Unicron are the ignorant ones no?
Better ignore it, because I no longer have the patience to tolerant such stupidity.
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Yeah I don\'t consider a white KKK supremacist\'s opinions valid. I\'m very close minded like that.
I don\'t either, I\'ve stated clearly that, had I known him, I would never consider him a legitimate source.
I just want to know if you honestly believe you or Unicron is even close to being right. Everyone is at arms with how ridiculous your posts have been...yet you seem undeterred. Did your parents raise you to only have one opinion and stick with it to the bitter end? Sounds like you and Unicron are the ignorant ones no?
No one has even tried to put forward arguments about why my believes would be false. You have only attacked unicron on one of his posts, that is not of my concern. I have already said I only defend my own statements, which I have also summed up. I will do it again for you and than tell me were I might be wrong:
-the holocaust was a horrible act of cruelty
-the holocaust is however not the only act of cruelty done by mankind and not unique in its sheer size. One can name several different acts that are in the least comparable to it, for instance the genocide of at least 7 million Ukrainians by Stalin in 1932-1933. This fact is, however, hardly known by anybody, while it\'s definitely just as horrible.
-The holocaust, however horrendous, gets innumerably more attention and while it\'s a good thing that it gets lots of attention, it\'s a bad thing that all the other attrocities are almost forgotten because of it.
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I\'m going to stand out on a limb and say something controversial too:
The sky is blue.
No one is arguing your silly off-topic points, STOP BRINGING THEM UP. We don\'t care, it has no relevance to this discussion. The Jews are not innocent. Why Unicron made this statement and why he still has not explained why it is a relevant point to the old discussion is the issue.
READ BACK LOL
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Hear\'s how I see what Unicron meant:
-Holocaust bad
-jews did not deserve it
-today however it gives jews almost carte blanche to commit crimes themselves, because no one dares publicly frown upon it because of the holocaust.
Now I\'ll explain how my views ARE indeed Ontopic in this discussion, because Israel NEEDS the Holocaust to be considered unique and unparallelled, because it is the reason why they are given this sort of carte blanche.
I\'m gonna have to quote stannard on this, because he can explain it more elegantly: "The answer is what the essayist Phillip Lopate calls "extermination pride . . a sort of privileged nation status in the moral honor roll." The Holocaust historian Zygmunt Bauman has noted that Israel uses the Holocaust "as the certificate of its political legitimacy, a safe-conduct pass for its past and future policies, and, above all, as the advance payment for the injustices it might itself commit." Doing so creates the need to play down other genocides. As one proponent of the uniqueness of the Holocaust, Edward Alexander, has put it, to describe as genocidal the ghastly agonies suffered by others-the Armenians, for instance-is "to plunder the moral capital" of the Jewish people. It is to "steal the Holocaust. "
In a classic case of quid pro quo, the Turkish government has demonstrated its gratitude for Israel\'s support in denying the Armenian genocide by declaring its agreement with Israel\'s claim of the uniqueness of the Holocaust. And in the middle of this cynical and dehumanizing reciprocation stand the pro-uniqueness writers, who have provided Turkey and Israel with their contrived intellectual support."
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A man and a friend are playing golf one day at their local golf course. One of the guys is about to chip onto the green when he sees a long funeral procession on the road next to the course. He stops in mid-swing, takes off his golf cap, closes his eyes, and bows down in prayer.
His friend says: “Wow, that is the most thoughtful and touching thing I have ever seen. You truly are a kind man.”
The man then replies: “Yeah, well we were married 35 years.”
That joke was funny too.
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oh I forgot to say how it\'s relevant to the original topic. In the video the black people attacked the (I assume) jewish kid, saying that the holocaust wasn\'t so bad, because there have been many more genocidal acts that are equally bad. The point made is: While downplaying the holocaust is of course horrendous, the point that is made about its significants relevant to other genocidal acts being overexaggerated is a true one. A point that you, rightly, consider to be as true as the fact that "the sky is blue".
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oh I forgot to say how it\'s relevant to the original topic. In the video the black people attacked the (I assume) jewish kid, saying that the holocaust wasn\'t so bad, because there have been many more genocidal acts that are equally bad. The point made is: While downplaying the holocaust is of course horrendous, the point that is made about its significants relevant to other genocidal acts being overexaggerated is a true one. A point that you, rightly, consider to be as true as the fact that "the sky is blue".
Exactly!!
Wow, way to dig yourself into a bigger hole of idiocy.
I love how he used this as his grand retort too.
And politiepet, you\'ve been soul owned, please stop posting.
I know I know. According to Jumpman it is PERFECTLY FINE for Israel to commit to war crimes, human violations and murder, and who ever dares say that it is NOT FINE and we should ACCUSE their actions just as much as the Nazis\', he is automatically a Neo-Nazi Jew hater that believes they deserved to die.
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So the Jews=Nazis in terms of horrible people. Just say it. The Jews are no better than the Nazis. History carries no importance. Every person with a brain agrees. They are the same. No different.
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So the Jews=Nazis in terms of horrible people. Just say it. The Jews are no better than the Nazis. History carries no importance. Every person with a brain agrees. They are the same. No different.
Also Jumpman likes assuming generalizations and wants to downplay the Israel\'s crimes as being "not as bad". Anyone who dares say that Israel has done horrendous things, according to Jumpman that person implies that all Jews are Nazis and deserve to die
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No generalizations, just verbatim. Why don\'t you list off these horrible things. I\'m sure everyone will see your side better when you compare them to the Nazi crimes.
Also Jumpman likes assuming generalizations and wants to downplay the Israel\'s crimes as being "not as bad". Anyone who dares say that Israel has done horrendous things, according to Jumpman that person implies that all Jews are Nazis and deserve to die
So the Jews=Nazis in terms of horrible people. Just say it. The Jews are no better than the Nazis. History carries no importance. Every person with a brain agrees. They are the same. No different.
No. They are the same. I\'m with you, now convince everyone else. Stop dancing. You can\'t change minds if you avoid the issue repeatedly.
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You\'re the one who makes wide generalizations with the whole "Jews are not innocent". Not Jumpy.
Keep diggin, doofus.
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Continue assuming generalizations
No generalizations, just verbatim. Why don\'t you list off these horrible things. I\'m sure everyone will see your side better when you compare them to the Nazi crimes.
No. They are the same. I\'m with you, now convince everyone else. Stop dancing. You can\'t change minds if you avoid the issue repeatedly.
Oh yeah?
Well I am not with you because unlike you, I recognize Isreal\'s crimes instead of downplaying it as if it is ok to kill people, because they arent called Nazi\'s and because the Nazi\'s were killing Jews during the WW2.
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And because they\'re fucking the same kind of awful. Exactly.
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And because they\'re fucking the same kind of awful. Exactly.
No no it is not awful for Isreal to kill people. It is OK
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No I\'m saying its not ok and them being compared to the Nazi\'s is a rationale thought. YOU\'RE DOING IT WRONG
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No I\'m saying its not ok and them being compared to the Nazi\'s is a rationale thought. YOU\'RE DOING IT WRONG
"Germans are not innocent"
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You know lumping in the Nazi\'s and Germans could cause controversy. Just throwing that out there. Unlike lumping in the Nazi\'s with the Jews. Because they are the same.
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You know lumping in the Nazi\'s and Germans could cause controversy. Just throwing that out there. Unlike lumping in the Nazi\'s with the Jews. Because they are the same.
Give me a name to the Jews that do the crimes so I can segment them and I d gladly use it.
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You know lumping in the Nazi\'s and Germans could cause controversy. Just throwing that out there. Unlike lumping in the Nazi\'s with the Jews. Because they are the same.
Give me a name to the Jews that do the crimes so I can segment them and I d gladly use that instead.
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Just so you know, black people need to be slaves. I mean, their crime rate is outrageous, so, they aren\'t innocent.
I think Clips would agree.
(I know Chizzy would. ;) ).
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Just so you know, black people need to be slaves. I mean, their crime rate is outrageous, so, they aren\'t innocent.
I think Clips would agree.
(I know Chizzy would. ;) ).
You made an extremely specific statement there something I did not make.
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You made an extremely specific statement there something I did not make.
Actually you did.
"Jews are not innocent."
In a discussion about the holocaust.
That\'s extremely specific. If it wasn\'t, not everyone would of taken offense to it.
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Unicron, what I think they want to hear you say is, instead of saying "the jews are not innocent", you should say something along these lines: "The jews that perform crimes aren\'t any better than the nazi\'s."
Although I think it was obvious that that is what you ment, they clearly didn\'t.
so,
all jews <--> nazi\'s = not the same
jews using the holocaust to get away with their own crimes <--> nazi\'s = just as bad (or, at the least, comparable)
edit: damn, too late with this, now it seems obvious :(
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I think we should label every race or country guilty of horrendous crimes for all future crimes equally. Ignoring the circumstances of the "crimes" of course. You know what could happen in 2060? Everyone in Cyprus cuts off their genitals and shoves them down the throats of everyone in Holland. That\'s fucking awful man. And you can\'t say it won\'t happen because you can\'t prove it. Therefore...Cyprus=Jews=Nazi\'s. I hope we\'re all the same page.
And politiepet you\'re sig is offensive and inappropriate. Racer is an astronaut compared to you.
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I think we should label every race or country guilty of horrendous crimes for all future crimes equally. Ignoring the circumstances of the "crimes" of course. You know what could happen in 2060? Everyone in Cyprus cuts off their genitals and shoves them down the throats of everyone in Holland. That\'s fucking awful man. And you can\'t say it won\'t happen because you can\'t prove it. Therefore...Cyprus=Jews=Nazi\'s. I hope we\'re all the same page.
Of course that\'s not what were implying. I believe it was two threads ago when I said we should therefore look at each case individually, and not be blinded by acts from the past as is happening with the holocaust. We should remember it to not forget how horrible any criminal act can be, regardless of who performs it.
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On a scale of one to ten...how many times were you dropped on your head as an infant?
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Thats not what I am implying! I am stating clearly that the holocaust is being viewed as the biggest and most tragic event in history when paradoxically there are crimes today that do not get the same attention. Ironically some of which Israel is doing and are excused as a self defense by terrorists or ignored! I dont see anybody here or anyone else getting sensitive about this or showing the same annoyance. Are they doing anything less immoral? Less criminous?
oh I forgot to say how it\'s relevant to the original topic. In the video the black people attacked the (I assume) jewish kid, saying that the holocaust wasn\'t so bad, because there have been many more genocidal acts that are equally bad. The point made is: While downplaying the holocaust is of course horrendous, the point that is made about its significants relevant to other genocidal acts being overexaggerated is a true one. A point that you, rightly, consider to be as true as the fact that "the sky is blue".
I understood what these guys were sayin\' before, but here they are explaining it again....seriously...i\'m trying to understand why some people aren\'t understanding what uni & politie are saying?....the whole they are not innocent argument?....i\'m still not really sure what people want him to say,..so here\'s my two cents on what i think is going on.
The whole they are not innocent statement and uni linking that,.. is i\'m assuming to israel, now back in 1942 or whenever the holocaust happened, did the jews back then do anything inhumane or perform any horriffic acts to constitute what happened to them back then?....this is something that i don\'t know,...now if the jews have not done anything of that matter back then, then yea, i can agree with people in here disputing uni\'s post,...if they were just a peace loving people and have committed no crimes at all then uni\'s post is faulty.
Now what i understand is that uni was connecting his statement to the current country of israel since he did say "see israel"...so the comment was made to directly link israel in terms in what they are doing today...and even tho they go back and forth with the pals,..i\'ve heard of some disturbing stories of how israel have attacked syria on numerous occassions only because they suspected that they were sending weapons over the border or suspected of engaging in some kind of suspicious activity.
And let\'s be truly honest here... today israel does those type of things because they know that the u.s. has their back,...the u.s. suspects that iran is sending weapons over the border but you don\'t see them bombing iran do you?...israel bombs syria because they suspect something? and gets away with it? those are some of the things that i can agree in relation to the "they are not innocent" remark....
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Yeah bombing a country that has repeatedly threatened your borders is just as bad as enslaving a race and attempting to execute every one of them. Thanks for clearing that up clips. I\'m with Unicron on this one.
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The whole they are not innocent statement and uni linking that,.. is i\'m assuming to israel,
now back in 1942 or whenever the holocaust happened, did the jews back then do anything inhumane or perform any horriffic acts to constitute what happened to them back then?....
They did not. Since the Roman times, the Jews have been scattered throughout Europe and Russia and Africa and the Middle East. They\'d been trying to unite since then.
WWI, the Germans lost. Hitler blamed the Jews. Hitler becomes Germany\'s Furor (leader) and starts persecuting the Jews. Jewish people who were German citizens for generations. They\'re hauled into concentration camps.
This is where Unic mistakenly included "...it\'s not like they (Jews) were innocent" while in the subject of WW2 Holocaust. How the current events of today\'s Jews makes the Jews of the past deserving of the holocaust of WW2 is astounding.
After that remark by Unic, hilarity ensues as Unic tries and fails to ward off the onslaught. Politie tries to mediate but fails to realize that WE are not saying the holocaust is the worst of the worst, we\'re just ridiculing Unic for making a stupid comment.
We all make stupid comments and will admit fault. Instead, he says WE are at fault for misunderstanding him. That\'s not true.
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Unicron, what I think they want to hear you say is, instead of saying "the jews are not innocent", you should say something along these lines: "The jews that perform crimes aren\'t any better than the nazi\'s."
Although I think it was obvious that that is what you ment, they clearly didn\'t.
so,
all jews <--> nazi\'s = not the same
jews using the holocaust to get away with their own crimes <--> nazi\'s = just as bad (or, at the least, comparable)
edit: damn, too late with this, now it seems obvious :(
Yeah you are perfectly right about that. Thats why I tried to clarify and explained what I wanted to say later. But instead they are stuck on that sentence no matter what.
They are telling me that my fault was that I meant they deserved it, while my fault was not putting it in the right words to be more clear. The latter I can accept it as a mistake. But not the first because thats not what I supported.
Actually you did.
"Jews are not innocent."
In a discussion about the holocaust.
That\'s extremely specific. If it wasn\'t, not everyone would of taken offense to it.
Correction. The sentence "Jews are not innocent" sounds specific, but it is short and therefore can be ambiguous depending on the way you see it.
You did not see a specific statement saying "Jews are not innocent they did this and that to the Germans therefore the Nazis did well and the Jews deserved it". Nowhere.
But this?
"black people [SIZE="6"]need to be slaves.[/SIZE] I mean, their crime rate is outrageous, so, they aren\'t innocent."
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You\'re in no position to correct any one. You after all, are the one who started this whole mess.
And you\'re just splitting hairs, which is what you\'ve been doing this whole time, splitting hairs and trying to get out of this hole you\'ve dug yourself into.
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Correction. The sentence "Jews are not innocent" sounds specific, but it is short and therefore can be ambiguous depending on the way you see it.
Ambiguously direct in any event. Don\'t hide from your convictions, Lic cannot seem to understand you\'re argument. The Jews=Nazi\'s. I\'ve seen your perspective and have never been more amazed by your ability to repeatedly address every issue that needs explaining or clarification.
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Hey Lic, speaking of hairs, you suck. Yeah.
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You\'re in no position to correct any one. You after all, are the one who started this whole mess.
And you\'re just splitting hairs, which is what you\'ve been doing this whole time, splitting hairs and trying to get out of this hole you\'ve dug yourself into.
I am in perfect position to do anything I want regardless of your deliberate efforts to dig my hole by using my own posts
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maybe Israel doesn\'t bomb Palestinians maybe its just PLO propaganda
for someone who says "question everything" you sure have some concrete views on the world
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I am in perfect position to do anything I want regardless of your deliberate efforts to dig my hole by using my own posts
You\'re in perfect position as we dig your hole with posts. Are you bent over or something?
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maybe Israel doesn\'t bomb Palestinians maybe its just PLO propaganda
for someone who says "question everything" you sure have some concrete views on the world
There are crimes from both sides. Both are using propaganda to cover them.
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You\'re in perfect position as we dig your hole with posts. Are you bent over or something?
Oh I am sorry about that.
And I thought he was talking metaphorically with expressions such us "splitting hair" and "holes"
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What is it exactly that you would want to hear him say that would satisfy you? Cause that might clear things up. If you\'re going to answer it, please be serious and don\'t just say you want him to admit he was wrong.
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What is it exactly that you would want to hear him say that would satisfy you? Cause that might clear things up. If you\'re going to answer it, please be serious and don\'t just say you want him to admit he was wrong.
For the sake of beating a dead horse further, Unic is an imbecile. When in the subject of holocaust, you don\'t say "it\'s not like they\'re innocent" when in his mind he was thinking about the current Israelis today. What else are we supposed to think when he sticks that in there?
When we asked him to clarify, he said ""were" and "are". What the fuck? I knew what he was trying to say but I wanted him to be more precise, as I figured he wouldn\'t want us to put words in his mouth. So we kept quoting him.
Ironic that it\'s other people that have to clarify it for him.
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@ jumpman:
I\'m glad you\'re able to add some intelligent remarks to this thread, it makes you look so knowledgeable.
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@ politiepet
I WANT THE TRUTH
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For the sake of beating a dead horse further, Unic is an imbebcile. When in the subject of holocaust, you don\'t say "it\'s not like they\'re innocent" when in his mind he was thinking about the current Israelis today. What else are we supposed to think when he sticks that in there?
When we asked him to clarify, he said ""were" and "are". What the fuck? I knew what he was trying to say but I wanted him to be more precise, as I figured he wouldn\'t want us to put words in his mouth. So we kept quoting him.
Ironic that it\'s other people that have to clarify it for him.
My direct quote says "Jews are not innocent".
You quoted me as saying "Jews were not innocent" pointing to the WW2 and supported that I claimed they deserved it.
I clarified what I wanted to say later. Since you now claim you knew what I was saying what was your God damn problem, and continued to claim that I supported the Nazis and stuff like that?
Answer the question. What do you want me to say in order to satisfy you?
Admit that I didnt state it clearly? I never denied that. But the whole discussion wasnt about me not stating it well. It was about me supposedly implying they deserved it.
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For the sake of beating a dead horse further, Unic is an imbecile. When in the subject of holocaust, you don\'t say "it\'s not like they\'re innocent" when in his mind he was thinking about the current Israelis today. What else are we supposed to think when he sticks that in there?
When we asked him to clarify, he said ""were" and "are". What the fuck? I knew what he was trying to say but I wanted him to be more precise, as I figured he wouldn\'t want us to put words in his mouth. So we kept quoting him.
Ironic that it\'s other people that have to clarify it for him.
That seems more reasonable than lic\'s and jumpman\'s continuous accusations of him (and me) being racist, anti-semitic etc. If it was perfectly clear to you what he ment, couldn\'t you just have said:"you make it look as though you\'re blaming the jews that got killed back then." Instead of calling him all kinds of crap and pretending you have no idea what he means?
edit: Of course it looked a bit strange the way he portraited it with the "are" and "were" statement. Apparently I was the only one who was willing to look at what he meant by it in stead of taking it literally.
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My direct quote says "Jews are not innocent".
You quoted me as saying "Jews were not innocent" pointing to the WW2 and supported that I claimed they deserved it.
I clarified what I wanted to say later. Since you now claim you knew what I was saying what was your God damn problem, and continued to claim that I supported the Nazis and stuff like that?
Answer the question. What do you want me to say in order to satisfy you?
Admit that I didnt state it clearly? I never denied that. But the whole discussion wasnt about not stating it well. It was about me supposedly implying they deserved it.
My problem was you. The thread was about some idiot saying the Holocaust was a joke. Then you make some stupid ass statement saying that the Jews aren\'t innocent. That itself is you deserving what you got this week.
I was amused seeing you squirm like a little worm.
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My problem was you. The thread was about some idiot saying the Holocaust was a joke. Then you make some stupid ass statement saying that the Jews aren\'t innocent. That itself is you deserving what you got this week.
I was amused seeing squirm like a little worm.
So the problem is me? So all this was an effort to find an excuse to attack me despite that you knew perfectly that I did not support their murders therefore you were accusing me for something you did not believe I deserved it?
All this stupidity in the forum was nothing more than you trying to bully? Just to attack me for no reason. That was extremely immature.
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So the problem is me? So all this was an effort to find an excuse to attack me despite that you knew perfectly that I did not support their murders therefore you were accusing me for something you did not believe I deserved it?
All this stupidity in the forum was nothing more than you trying to bully? Just to attack me for no reason. That was extremely immature.
An excuse? It was a valid excuse. Hell, even Ashford got on your case. I didn\'t attack you for no reason, silly. You got what was coming to you.
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An excuse? It was a valid excuse. Hell, even Ashford got on your case. I didn\'t attack you for no reason, silly. You got what was coming to you.
You still havent explained why I had it coming when you knew I did not support the death of the Jews
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That seems more reasonable than lic\'s and jumpman\'s continuous accusations of him (and me) being racist, anti-semitic etc.
I never called either of you racist or anti-semitic. I did however call you both morons and will throw it children who should have been thrown off a cliff at birth. Just wanted to clarify so there\'s no confusion here.
Fuck I shouldn\'t be so funny because they completely dodged the Jews=Nazi part.
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You still havent explained why I had it coming when you knew I did not support the death of the Jews
actually, that part I wasn\'t sure of. IMO, I don\'t think you like the Jews much as you seem to go on a tangent about Jews not being innocent. Why bring that up when the subject was about the Holocaust. It took a few days for me to realize what you REALLY meant but I still thought you don\'t care much for Jews to begin with. Probably why you made that comment.
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http://psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26956
http://psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28820
:D
It\'s funny how stupid people tend to agree with other stupid people. Clowd, Mystique, and Unicron, quite the terror trio back then. And now politiepet comes in and is like "EVERYTHING UNICRON SAID MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME".
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And you don\'t hate girls anymore!
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And you don\'t hate girls anymore!
No.
I do tolerate them now. And on occasion, knock \'em up.
Guess I need to remind you why I was banned? Here ya\' go.
Because I wanted to be.
TA-DA.
Oh and this isn\'t a popularity contest, but at least people don\'t go around calling me a goat rapist and retard every single thread.
Get back on topic there, goat boy.
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Dig as many as you want. There is nothing for me to be afraid of. If you believe you are being liked any more than me you are deluded.
And remember:
This used to be you for a reason.
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/member.php?u=1461
I\'d be afraid of waking up every morning and forgetting how to breathe if I were you.
Lic is more liked than you. Fact.
I used to be like you. Stupid, immature, ignorant, unwilling to see when I was clearly beaten in an argument. But I realized the way of the idiot would always have superior posters looking down on me. I made a conscious effort be to smarter and leave me former self in the pass.
I read the teachings of Ryu, Sonyfan, Living-In-Clip, Bobs_Hardware, Black Samurai, Altered Beast, videoholic, Samwise, mm, Avatarr, Blade, Gohan...I absorbed their style of posting which I\'d classify as "smart posting". I engaged in dialogue with them and often debates where I was quickly humbled. But I learned from my mistakes. I gained experienced and after many posts and debates, I surpassed them all and became the supreme god of this forum.
I was granted the title legendary poster. My effect on the forum caused a chain reaction or some kind of mild response. I was cut down by the grand retard known as ddaryl, only to rise from the ashes like some kind of random rising from the ashes bird and returned to claim my throne on top of the hierarchy of the forum once again. I delivered my verdicts swift and justly. I took the bounty of Sara, the only female member to have survived my wrath, over and over and over until I converted her to lesbianism after deeming no other man worthy to follow my footsteps.
So yeah be less stupid and people shall respect you.
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I ll have to inform you that there is REAL life outside the internet including REAL accomplishments. Try it
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I\'d be afraid of waking up every morning and forgetting how to breathe if I were you.
Lic is more liked than you. Fact.
I used to be like you. Stupid, immature, ignorant, unwilling to see when I was clearly beaten in an argument. But I realized the way of the idiot would always have superior posters looking down on me. I made a conscious effort be to smarter and leave me former self in the pass.
I read the teachings of Ryu, Sonyfan, Living-In-Clip, Bobs_Hardware, Black Samurai, Altered Beast, videoholic, Samwise, mm, Avatarr, Blade, Gohan...I absorbed their style of posting which I\'d classify as "smart posting". I engaged in dialogue with them and often debates where I was quickly humbled. But I learned from my mistakes. I gained experienced and after many posts and debates, I surpassed them all and became the supreme god of this forum.
I was granted the title legendary poster. My effect on the forum caused a chain reaction or some kind of mild response. I was cut down by the grand retard known as ddaryl, only to rise from the ashes like some kind of random rising from the ashes bird and returned to claim my throne on top of the hierarchy of the forum once again. I delivered my verdicts swift and justly. I took the bounty of Sara, the only female member to have survived my wrath, over and over and over until I converted her to lesbianism after deeming no other man worthy to follow my footsteps.
So yeah be less stupid and people shall respect you.
Man, you take this whole fighting on the internet thing real serious.
Nerd.
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Jumpman Sucks Cock And Named Himself After A Shoe
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I\'ve always thought of you as a son, Jumpy.
I\'ll always love you, buddy. Your posts are now epic, where as they use to be just ...kind crappy.
Right back at cha buddy. Crappy, awful, trollish, pretty much yeah.
Man, you take this whole fighting on the internet thing real serious.
Nerd.
Yes I am sorry I left out your name. You are completely deserving to be mentioned there 100% no bs or sarcasm. Ashford too since I just saw his name on who\'s online. Wanna hug it out?
And you are Bobs_Software then maybe you\'re deserving too. And I named myself because of Mario LOL 7 YEAR OLD POST REFERENCE.
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Haha yes! he remembered.
*single tear*
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Wanna hug it out?
Probably.
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which one of you gets the reach around?
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I do. I\'m older and deserve it.
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Lic is more liked than you. Fact.
Indeed, LIC is more liked than Uni, I am living proof!
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I feel bad that I named names. I always felt left out when we did the favorite posters list like 7 years ago because I was a horrible poster then. I\'m just going to shorten the list to LIC, Ryu, and Bobs_Hardware.
Everyone else...a genuine apology for your omission.
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Don\'t feel bad, baby. Nobody really cares.
Except for me.
I care ALOT.
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cause your an attention whore
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I would be offended and outraged if people actually visited the forums.
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cause your an attention whore
You\'ve figured me out!
I think we\'ve derailed this thread enough.
No more posting about me and my attention whore lack of self esteem ways.
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Luke....and his attention whoreness and lack of self esteem?
That\'s how guys end up in gay porn. Lookin\' for love in all the wrong places. ;)
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You\'ve figured me out!
I think we\'ve derailed this thread enough.
No more posting about me and my attention whore lack of self esteem ways.
Yeah back to Unicron dodging bullets.
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Indeed, LIC is more liked than Uni, I am living proof!
/Hugs.
I can\'t quit you, Giga!11!!111!
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god damn!!!
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