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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Paul2 on June 12, 2008, 01:53:41 AM
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Xbox 360 RRoD Failures Finally Explained
June 11, 2008 - The Xbox 360\'s proclivity for suffering the infamous three red lights / Red Ring of Death hardware failure is legend these days. Despite Microsoft\'s initial claims that hardware failures were a slim 3% through much of the console\'s first year of availability, the gaming community knew otherwise, with real-world failure rates estimated to be in the 40-80% range for consoles manufactured in the first production runs.
Link (http://gear.ign.com/articles/881/881138c.html)
wow. I didn\'t know the red ring of deaths on the 360s are that high. I guess Microsoft learned it lesson there.
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I am not amazed. Even over here there are countless of 360\'s traveling by UPS to get them fixed.
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i just realized that I didn\'t post the entire article about it...here is the rest of the article about microsoft explaining about why it\'s that high:
After a great deal of pressure, Microsoft tacitly recognized the RRoD epidemic, and announced extended warranty support that would cost the company more than one-billion dollars. Microsoft refused, however, to discuss exactly what had caused so many consoles to fail, noting only that the problem stemmed from a "design issue."
The gaming public, however, was well aware of the truth of the situation after a number of peeps in the modding community opened their broken consoles and found the 360\'s GPU had run too hot, resulting in warped motherboards, unseated chips, and disconnected heat-sinks. Such evidence was only given greater credential when redesigned Falcon Xbox 360s arrived with a newly beefed up heatsink on the GPU.
Though RRoD failures are now generally a thing of the past after several chipset redesigns on Microsoft\'s part, the question has long remained as to how Microsoft allowed critically flawed Xbox 360 consoles to reach production, much less become a billion-dollar epidemic. Today, light seems to have finally been shed on the issue, as eetimes.com reports from the Design Automation Conference.
Speaking at the show, Bryan Lewis, research vice president and chief analyst at Gartner, revealed that Microsoft, bucking industry norms in what was hoped to be a cost-saving decision, chose not to seek the input of a traditional ASIC (application-specific integrated circuit) vendor in designing the architecture of the 360\'s GPU. Relying purely upon in-house processor-architecture design expertise (or lack thereof), Microsoft went directly to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co to put the Xbox 360\'s GPU chips into production.
The result was the mass production of ungainly processors that ran quite inefficiently, generating far more waste heat than expected. According to Lewis, had Microsoft brought an ASIC vendor into the design process, a far more elegant chip architecture would likely have been developed, leading to much cooler-running GPUs for the Xbox 360. Bryan Lewis noted that Microsoft has since developed a new version of the Xbox 360 GPU with the support of an established ASIC vendor, widely thought to be ATI / AMD.
A very big lesson learned there from Microsoft I suppose.
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"40 to 80 percent"
Whoever wrote that article is an idiot.
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"40 to 80 percent"
Whoever wrote that article is an idiot.
Agreed. It should be 100% for the first batch of 360s. It\'s a matter of time before all of them get the RRoD.
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I had to get my 360 replaced 4 times before I gave up on it and bought a PS3.
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If only PS3 sold enough to get a respectable number of complaints. :(
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Um?
I had a post in here saying mine had not RROD.
Any reason that was deleted also?
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Um?
I had a post in here saying mine had not RROD.
Any reason that was deleted also?
sony conspiracy
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sony conspiracy
Obviously.
360 ROXORS
PS3 SUXORS.
/ waits for Sony ban hammer to strike me.
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Obviously.
360 ROXORS
PS3 SUXORS.
/ waits for Sony ban hammer to strike me.
:laughing:....if somebody is really deleting posts, they really need to stop that s**t...it\'s not even funny anymore....on another note my son\'s friend had a 360 for about 5 months and his unit just went on him,...i guess there is something going on with those 360\'s....
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guess?
i\'m on my 4th refurb.
i should just sell it while they still have some value.
Gears2 is about the only title i\'m waiting for.
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I\'m surprised mine is still going, but it is.
I am waiting on Fable 2...I figure it\'ll die on the launch date of Fable 2.
Just the way I figure.
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All that shit will come to PC eventually anyways.
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as shitty bugged ports. all the series i care about on pc are pretty much gone unless dice manages to release battlefield 3 in the next few years and make a game as good as bf2.
I\'ve had one 360 die, and im definitly paranoid that this ones going to crap out at any point. but whatever..i\'ve already put a lot of hours into the console between mass effect, AC, cod4, dirt, gta4, vegas, and a handful of others.
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My nephews died on him and now he has a wii. They have yet to ship his 360 back. My b-day is coming up soon so I was thinking on picking up one up anyways. I heared that new batches don\'t have this RROD problem
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"40 to 80 percent"
Whoever wrote that article is an idiot.
haha they may as well have said "a lot to a ton"
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maybe by 40 to 80% rate, they meant the older 360 with Red rings of death problem while the remaining 20 to 60% rate are the newer 360 versions with no RROD problem. Also, don\'t forget not all older 360 has the RROD yet....who knows, maybe there are a few older 360 that can out live themselves.
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80% of statistics are made up
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Mine works perfect. People just need to learn how to use technology. lol
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My friend\'s 360 "pretended" to get the ring of death the other day.
The red ring came up... and this lovely message popped up talking about hardware failure and contacting Microsoft... then we restarted it and it worked fine. That was a little strange.
Mine works perfect. People just need to learn how to use technology. lol
Or Microsoft needs to learn how to not suck at technology.
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Mine works perfect. People just need to learn how to use technology. lol
I HOPE it doesn\'t happen to you, but... This sounds like famous last words to me.
I don\'t have any friends who have not experienced the RROD.
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I haven\'t had a RROD but my 360 gets put in storage for 6 months out of the year. (about to be in storage for 9 straight months).
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maybe by 40 to 80% rate, they meant the older 360 with Red rings of death problem while the remaining 20 to 60% rate are the newer 360 versions with no RROD problem. Also, don\'t forget not all older 360 has the RROD yet....who knows, maybe there are a few older 360 that can out live themselves.
I\'m just saying, the whole point of the article is what? Their range has a gap of millions of consoles which may or may not be affected. A (large) minority of the consoles are affected or nearly all of them are affected? Or somewhere in between?
I can understand 15 to 90% of that article.