Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: mm on June 12, 2008, 02:59:20 PM
Title: letter to all
Post by: mm on June 12, 2008, 02:59:20 PM
until the new psx3central site launches (some day), off-topic discussion is now completely un-moderated aside from illegal discussions. new memberships have been turned off since i cannot keep up with all the damn bots that spam the site. so if you step over the line and your login suddenly doesn\'t work anymore, you\'ll know why.
i\'m really not interested in who wants to be the internet bully and who gets their feelings hurt.
this place is a shadow of its former self when it comes to any sort of intellectual discussion.
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Post by: Jumpman on June 12, 2008, 03:09:21 PM
Omg its chaos!
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this place is a shadow of its former self when it comes to any sort of intellectual discussion
Yeah posters like Clyde leave a gap in quality.
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Post by: Viper_Fujax on June 12, 2008, 03:17:14 PM
if you do start banning people that you consider internet bullies (boo hoo), then you might as well just shut off the site
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Post by: Evi on June 12, 2008, 03:23:31 PM
Haven\'t been on in a while. Everything is turning to shit these days. Meh...
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Post by: Titan on June 12, 2008, 03:35:04 PM
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this place is a shadow of its former self when it comes to any sort of intellectual discussion.
ha. intellectual discussion? I think we\'ve had 3 total.
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Post by: Luke on June 12, 2008, 03:44:55 PM
this saddens me.
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Post by: Titan on June 12, 2008, 03:47:39 PM
So what is an "illegal discussion"?
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Post by: Joker on June 12, 2008, 04:37:43 PM
I would say that clearly the steak discussion is a true testament to our forum and its members.
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Post by: Luke on June 12, 2008, 04:45:33 PM
Yeah see... Thats a fine debate.
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Post by: Joker on June 12, 2008, 05:15:35 PM
was anyone already banned? or is this just a \'heads up\'?
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Post by: Luke on June 12, 2008, 05:26:51 PM
Nobody is banned.
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Post by: luckee on June 12, 2008, 07:42:57 PM
yet
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 13, 2008, 02:07:20 AM
Still doesn\'t answer the question on why Uni was deleting certain people\'s post.
Also lost on why this forum needs to be without mods. You mean to tell me, out of the twenty or so actual users, three or four decent mods can\'t do it? The problem is more the mods you SELECTED. Honestly, UNI a mod? What were you smokin\' that day?
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this place is a shadow of its former self when it comes to any sort of intellectual discussion.
It\'s hard to discuss something when people make totally absurd comments and can\'t back them up, bud.
And can we quit lying to ourselves? There is no new site to be launched and if there was, it wouldn\'t attract members. It\'s way to late to jump on the PS3 boat, as far as a forum is concerned. ;)
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Post by: Samwise on June 13, 2008, 03:03:21 AM
You don\'t know that Unicron deleted those posts. For all we know mm did it.
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Post by: Knotter8 on June 13, 2008, 03:23:36 AM
Actually, I\'m still waiting on "PSX3 Central forums". Because.... guess what, I\'m a longtime member here and I just bought a PS3.
If the current gen has a 10year lifecycle (just for examplesakes), then this forum still has 8 years of valid PSX3 Central potential.
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Post by: mm on June 13, 2008, 03:37:02 AM
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Still doesn\'t answer the question on why Uni was deleting certain people\'s post.
Also lost on why this forum needs to be without mods. You mean to tell me, out of the twenty or so actual users, three or four decent mods can\'t do it? The problem is more the mods you SELECTED. Honestly, UNI a mod? What were you smokin\' that day?
It\'s hard to discuss something when people make totally absurd comments and can\'t back them up, bud.
And can we quit lying to ourselves? There is no new site to be launched and if there was, it wouldn\'t attract members. It\'s way to late to jump on the PS3 boat, as far as a forum is concerned. ;)
the off-topic mods weren\'t doing what was required.
i\'m not trying to make it the next joystiq, but a few dozen more mature posters and a member supported blog front page with some humour would be nice. after your complete breakdown, you seemed to have a hard time staying away. you think after 9 years, we should just let a few frat boy types jerk each other off and let the place die? when psx3central does happen, i\'ll find a nice hat for you to eat.
sam, i haven\'t deleted a post in some time, possibly years.
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Post by: clips on June 13, 2008, 03:57:41 AM
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sam, i haven\'t deleted a post in some time, possibly years.
^^^And there\'s your answer right there...if mm wasn\'t deleting posts, then there could be only one person that did it....dun, dun, dun, dunnnnnnnnn!!...;)
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Post by: Joker on June 13, 2008, 04:29:50 AM
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 13, 2008, 05:03:12 AM
Sam - we all know Uni deleted the posts, unless you want to step up and say you done it. The posts deleted was by Giga and I both. The two people who won\'t let him weasel out of his absurd and idiotic comments.
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after your complete breakdown, you seemed to have a hard time staying away. you think after 9 years, we should just let a few frat boy types jerk each other off and let the place die?
lol @ complete breakdown. You make it sound like the end of the world.
Buddy, I eagerly await that hat to eat. Let\'s face it, this forum is basically dead and the chances of making a PS3 site that actually does something is slim to none.
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the off-topic mods weren\'t doing what was required.
Be more specfic, please. Seems to me Luke and the others one were not abusiong their power and was doing exactly what was required. If things got to out of hand, they closed the thread, otherwise they let it live.
And you\'re still dodging one issue. Who deleted Giga and my posts (For no reason). And what was done about it? Is this some kind of reaction to the fact that a MOD you selected started taking things personal? What exactly inspired this whole NO MOD in OFF-TOPIC ordeal. I find it curious that it came about after this whole big mess with out resident Goat Breeder.
I\'m not agreeing or disagreeing with your choice. It\'s your choice. I just think a decent explanation would be nice. That\'s all.
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Actually, I\'m still waiting on "PSX3 Central forums". Because.... guess what, I\'m a longtime member here and I just bought a PS3.
If the current gen has a 10year lifecycle (just for examplesakes), then this forum still has 8 years of valid PSX3 Central potential.
This would of been valid, say almost two years ago. That is the reason this forum was popular. It was here before the PS2 was out. What happened to it? People moved on to other forums and game systems. You start a new forum up now, you have to try and compete with all the big sites and various other dedicated PS3 sites. It really, just isn\'t realistic to expect to launch a PS3 site and actually get new members who will contribute something. Especially when we can\'t even get new members here to stay. You can\'t deny the fact that this forum is just barely alive and a shell of its oldself. If just a few more \'main members\' (Gman /Vid for example) leave, this forum may as well be closed. And now you are closing membership to any new members. You\'re dooming the forum even further with an action like that. That takes away any chance of someone new taking the spot of a regular who eventually leaves.
As for the reason I don\'t stay away. Boredom is one reason. Another is I do enjoy the posts of certain people (Luke, Jumpy, Gman and Clips for example).
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Post by: Samwise on June 13, 2008, 05:26:09 AM
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Sam - we all know Uni deleted the posts, unless you want to step up and say you done it.
I don\'t need to "step up" because I didn\'t do anything. All I was saying was that we didn\'t know for sure what happened. It seems Unicron really did it, but I just thought it would leave a trace that other mods could see. Seems like it didn\'t.
mm, I didn\'t mean to say you did it. I just said it was a possibility (like it was a possibility that someone else did it, or hell, even a forum glitch of some sort).
EDIT: By the way I find this whole "Unigate" thing a bit ridiculous. Yes, he was acting like a retard. And yes, some of you guys took it way beyond the reasonable. My advice is to stop acting so butthurt over some lame Internet issue and get on with your lives. Serious things are happening all the time - this is not one of them.
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Post by: Knotter8 on June 13, 2008, 05:45:04 AM
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This would of been valid, say almost two years ago. That is the reason this forum was popular. It was here before the PS2 was out. What happened to it? People moved on to other forums and game systems. You start a new forum up now, you have to try and compete with all the big sites and various other dedicated PS3 sites.
Different situation to the PS2. Masses of people were really not picking up the PS3 ...until Uncharted : Drake\'s Fortune ?
I didn\'t find it worthwhile to buy a PS3 until yesterday and so do many others seem to be of opinion ( I had to search several stores in the city with actual PS3\'s in stock - most said ; "Sorry, PS3\'s r sold out r us" ). The console is picking up steam gradually, also on the game development side of things (that\'s what actually triggers it).
Anyway, I\'m not saying a complete superduper PS3 mainsite + forums is necessary ; Just a nice little forum layout redesign with new banner logo & fonts/colours and the occassional PS3 game member (p)review ; the main forums r a bit more active lately already.
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Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on June 13, 2008, 06:12:42 AM
Quote from: mm
until the new psx3central site launches (some day), off-topic discussion is now completely un-moderated aside from illegal discussions. new memberships have been turned off since i cannot keep up with all the damn bots that spam the site. so if you step over the line and your login suddenly doesn\'t work anymore, you\'ll know why.
i\'m really not interested in who wants to be the internet bully and who gets their feelings hurt.
this place is a shadow of its former self when it comes to any sort of intellectual discussion.
wait...
...someone modded off-topic?
i don\'t care either way, this forum just dulls the boredom while i wait on other things to do. To be honest, most of the net bores me these days. Apart from getting sheet music and guides for guitar.
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Post by: GigaShadow on June 13, 2008, 06:25:30 AM
This forum is still good for those of us that are regulars. LIC and Soul are right... it staves off the boredom (especially to those of us that work).
The original post that led to all of this probably should have been moved to CE - since that forum isn\'t as laid back as this one. Everyone here knows the opinions, accusations and insults fly in CE and that is what that forum was created for - Debate. The whole holocaust thread turned into a massive debate and probably shouldn\'t have been kept here.
Either way, I still like this forum and I do get a good laugh from some of the posters here - especially in OT.
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Post by: Luke on June 13, 2008, 07:14:19 AM
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the off-topic mods weren\'t doing what was required.
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Man, I spent all day yesterday trying to figure out what was going on and answering PM\'s from people, then you come in here, take my mod status away and say something like that? I wish I woulda known so I didn\'t waste so much time.
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Post by: Jumpman on June 13, 2008, 07:43:53 AM
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Post by: Phil on June 13, 2008, 10:14:45 AM
As long as THX holds his end of the bargain, there will be at least progress in setting up the new site.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 13, 2008, 12:24:17 PM
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Man, I spent all day yesterday trying to figure out what was going on and answering PM\'s from people, then you come in here, take my mod status away and say something like that? I wish I woulda known so I didn\'t waste so much time.
Exactly. You were doing a fine job, so I don\'t buy into this whole thing. You have one MOD going aganist the grain and taking personal things against other posters and now all of a sudden, every good MOD is no longer a MOD? That\'s total B.S. And it\'s downright insulting to you and the other MODS who were actually doing what was expected of them. And how can you, MM, pop in and say the OFF-TOPIC Mods aren\'t doing "what was required", when you rarely post and don\'t offer any sort of guidance to the actual MODS who do something. You show up here and there, mark a snide comment, close a thread . And yet, it\'s MODS like Luke, who aren\'t doing what is required? It seems to me, they are doing what is required. They post often, they let threads live unless they need closed and they keep things in line.
As for Sammy\'s comment. I said, step up, because you were acting like he was innocent, when he wasn\'t. The forum wasn\'t glitched. The other mods didn\'t do. So can we please, quit making excuses for a MOD who is deleting posts by people he doesn\'t like? There is no excuse for it. As for, "Unigate...It\'s no big conspiracy. He made a comment. He got called on it. What\'s wrong with that?
Soul and Giga both nailed it. This forum survives because of boredom. I post mainly at work , when I have nothing else to do. I imagine most do also.
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Post by: Samwise on June 13, 2008, 12:48:32 PM
Well LIC, I didn\'t even know Unicron was a mod. That was a clearly a mistake. :D
And by abusing his powers he should be called on it and stripped of said powers.
BTW, I didn\'t say he was definitely innocent, I just said it was a possibility, based on my knowledge of the VBB software. But I must have been mistaken and for that I\'m sorry.
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Post by: THX on June 13, 2008, 12:58:38 PM
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As long as THX holds his end of the bargain, there will be at least progress in setting up the new site.
Ball\'s in Bjorn\'s court now ;)
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Post by: Titan on June 13, 2008, 01:49:10 PM
Trying to get back on topic of PSX3 Central:
I think the forums should be modded by the regulars. It seems if this becomes a blog site, it will be run by us. I personally think any PSX2Central regular qualifies if they hadn\'t abused powers before :)
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Post by: Paul2 on June 13, 2008, 02:38:13 PM
if it modded by the regulars, it\'s more likely be abuse by the regulars and more often too than the moderators.
there is a reason why some people become moderators, they must have done something to be qualify as mods.
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Post by: Jumpman on June 13, 2008, 02:50:38 PM
Yeah can\'t have cock touchers like Titan or Paul as mods. The forum would collapse into a shithole.
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Post by: Paul2 on June 13, 2008, 02:58:27 PM
by cock touchers, you mean people who touches their cock. So, aren\'t you being a hypocrite there because who doesn\'t touches their cock?
You are more likely to turn the forum into a shithole than me or titan though.:D
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Post by: Jumpman on June 13, 2008, 03:03:15 PM
Cock touchers is plural. If I said cock toucher, then you\'re incoherent rambling would almost make sense.
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Post by: Paul2 on June 13, 2008, 03:11:07 PM
i don\'t get it. mind to clarify.
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Post by: Jumpman on June 13, 2008, 03:12:53 PM
No.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 13, 2008, 03:16:15 PM
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Well LIC, I didn\'t even know Unicron was a mod. That was a clearly a mistake. :D
And by abusing his powers he should be called on it and stripped of said powers.
BTW, I didn\'t say he was definitely innocent, I just said it was a possibility, based on my knowledge of the VBB software. But I must have been mistaken and for that I\'m sorry.
I wasn\'t trying to attack you. Don\'t get me wrong. I just think, this is something that should just be swept under the rug. If he done it, and most likely he did, MM needs to do something about it.
Better yet - I\'d like someone to explain when and how Uni became a MOD. No one appeared to know about this. That says a lot right there.
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Post by: mm on June 13, 2008, 03:29:58 PM
an explanation and apology were already given to the staff affected.
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Trying to get back on topic of PSX3 Central:
I think the forums should be modded by the regulars. It seems if this becomes a blog site, it will be run by us. I personally think any PSX2Central regular qualifies if they hadn\'t abused powers before :)
this isn\'t a bad idea, will think about how to implement. however, it won\'t take much for some douchebag to abuse it.
lol at an ex-mod (LIC) who attempted to sabotage the forum talking about "guidance".
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Post by: Jumpman on June 13, 2008, 03:31:19 PM
k how about explaining what happened to the other 5 people who still post here
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Post by: mm on June 13, 2008, 03:36:48 PM
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k how about explaining what happened to the other 5 people who still post here
fair enough, from the staff forum.
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sorry guys, my plan failed, miserably.
uni wasn\'t made a mod, but was granted certain permissions in off-topic in order to bring things slowly in line.
~snipped to respect privacy~
lesson learned.
also, i find it odd how this place is "5 minutes from death and only kills the boredom", yet a few people go apeshit when something changes. you can\'t tell me that a user supported blog/review main page and some new members wouldn\'t make a positive difference or you wouldn\'t want to be a part of it.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 13, 2008, 03:49:09 PM
What was Uni going to bring back in line? What was the single most disliked poster going to bring back into line? Honestly, I want to hear the logic on this one. I must know what you\'re smoking. You give certain "permissions" to someone who is disliked and picked on by the whole forum. You didn\'t think that you was asking for an abuse of power? Ray Charles could of seen that one coming.
And no one is arguing about your ideas. We\'re arguing the logic behind the ideas. You missed the PS3 boat, face that. Now you\'re wanting to do blogs and what not - but who is going to do them? The regular posters aren\'t interested for the most part and you\'ve closed membership off to new members, so where exactly, are you going to get the people for this?
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lol at an ex-mod (LIC) who attempted to sabotage the forum talking about "guidance".
Laugh at you want. But on the other hand, maybe it\'s true. Think about it. How many of your selected MODS either abused their power (myself included) or simply disappeared? The forum has basically died and I don\'t understand why you\'re not willing to accept that. How many regular posters do we have, compared to a few years ago? How many decent threads do we have? Hell, look at it this way. You, yourself said you can\'t get a decent intellectual debate going in this forum now. What does that say?
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also, i find it odd how this place is "5 minutes from death and only kills the boredom", yet a few people go apeshit when something changes.
Don\'t confuse people stating their opinion as going "apeshit". I don\'t think anyone really cares, but a few of us are just throwing out what we think. I honestly don\'t care what you do, I\'m not a MOD , it doesn\'t effect me. I just find your logic funny.
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I think the forums should be modded by the regulars. It seems if this becomes a blog site, it will be run by us. I personally think any PSX2Central regular qualifies if they hadn\'t abused powers before
Newsflash. You already tried this. That is what got you into this mess. Almost every regular, at one point, has been a MOD for some forum or another. You need to go back to the old days, where there was very few MODS and it was something "special" (however dorky that sounds).
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Post by: mm on June 13, 2008, 03:53:39 PM
missed the boat?
you sound bitter, old friend. this means you want no part in it, right?
the forum will be handled differently when the main site is updated since VBB updates allow for better spambot handling. i haven\'t had the interest or time until now to implement it.
again (twice now, i think), (color for emphasis) [COLOR="DarkOrange"]i want the main site to feature blog/commentary/reviews that have a touch of funny. this is not to become the next joystiq or kotaku, but to give something else for the members to take part instead of spamming about how Uni sucks.[/COLOR] i\'ve liked and respected 99% the long term members here that are still around and at an older age, i\'m curious how they interpret gaming and if it\'s similar to my own thoughts. if that\'s too mature for you, by all means, do your normal thing.
love how all of a sudden now you\'re acting like the defeatist.
i would rather shut this place down and end your playtime then just move on. you think everyone is behind you vs uni? think again. while your at it, think about why i never banned you after your meltdown.
*yes, this post was edited a few times for clarity
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Post by: Jumpman on June 13, 2008, 04:04:04 PM
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you think everyone is behind you vs uni? think again.
poli...yeah that\'s about it.
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Post by: Luke on June 13, 2008, 04:20:11 PM
As far as the Uni thing goes...
I was never for or against him. He has just as much a right to come in here and express his thoughts as anyone else. Whether you dislike him is not really my concern. My concern in here was to make sure everyone has a say in all topics, and to keep threads from turning into insult fests. One thing I never really stand for is just blatant insulting. Once the threads turned into a bunch of posts like "you\'re a moron" is when we step in. Except for Jumpman. Cause his bitterness entertains me.
And I wholly disagree that we can\'t bring this place back to a good standard.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 13, 2008, 04:34:16 PM
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i would rather shut this place down and end your playtime then just move on. you think everyone is behind you vs uni? think again.
What are you smoking? Stay on topic, MM. This isn\'t about my dislike about Uni. It\'s more about your piss poor judgement , when you appointed him a MOD or whatever you want to call it. There is a reason people spam how Uni sucks. Want to know why? Because he does suck. He\'s a complete waste of a membership. A complete waste of forum space. The list goes on and on. I don\'t care if anyone backs me on it (but some do, this I know). I\'m just stating my opinion on it, Ray Charles . ;)
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the forum will be handled differently when the main site is updated since VBB updates allow for better spambot handling. i haven\'t had the interest or time until now to implement it.
again (twice now, i think), (color for emphasis) i want the main site to feature blog/commentary/reviews that have a touch of funny. this is not to become the next joystiq or kotaku, but to give something else for the members to take part instead of spamming about how Uni sucks. i\'ve liked and respected 99% the long term members here that are still around and at an older age, i\'m curious how they interpret gaming and if it\'s similar to my own thoughts. if that\'s too mature for you, by all means, do your normal thing.
And I want your logic on how you plan to do this. You\'ve had all these plans for PS3 for how long now? You keep hyping this up, you remind me of Trip Hawkins and the M2 . :laughing:
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love how all of a sudden now you\'re acting like the defeatist.
Not a defeatist. A realist. I realize the chances of making another successful forum, with the current group, is almost impossible. I realize that attracting the attention needed to make a successful website, this late in the game is just plain unrealistic.
Do you honestly think the current members are going to do this blog stuff? Most of them don\'t even game . This has became more a forum for a few people to hang out and throw jabs and have fun. There\'s nothing wrong with that - so why break it? Sure, we throw insults out at each other, but does it really matter?
Once again, I\'m not trying to argue with you. I\'m merely offering a different opinion. If you want a community, the first step would be to actually interact with the community. You\'re making all these changes or planning on making them, without any input from the community. That may of worked when this forum was booming, but now, it\'s just short sighted. It\'s even more short sighted when you close membership and bank everything on a possible new site.
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Post by: Jumpman on June 13, 2008, 04:39:49 PM
I\'d be in for the blog thing. I wouldn\'t even play the games rather piggyback other reviews and throw insults everywhere. Not even relevant to the games either.
I smell Pulitzer.
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Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 13, 2008, 04:41:16 PM
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I\'d be in for the blog thing. I wouldn\'t even play the games rather piggyback other reviews and throw insults everywhere. Not even relevant to the games either.
I smell Pulitzer.
They have something for that already. It\'s called \'The Escapist\' or something.
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Post by: Luke on June 13, 2008, 04:41:32 PM
I\'ll only let you blog if you promise to hate every game ever made.
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Post by: Jumpman on June 13, 2008, 04:48:41 PM
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I\'ll only let you blog if you promise to hate every game ever made.
Deal.
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Post by: Joker on June 13, 2008, 04:53:24 PM
Luke pretty much summed up my feelings aswell. The whole unicorn thing I didn\'t really understand. If he was so hated why give him a spotlight and more attention than anyone on this board has recieved for years. Unicorn wasn\'t "exposed" to the majority of people on this board last week, of course what he said was stupid but was it really a shock? Meh, I guess I just don\'t give a shit as much as Jump, Raz, and Giga did.
Also on the subject of Raz\'s posts bugging people because it seems to some people he only posts to let everyone know how much he hates whatever you like. Raz can post whatever he wants, and over the years isn\'t that the kind of attitude we expect of Raz? to complain about everything? I would be more weirded out if he showed up one day and was supremley happy all the time.
No his kids and wife don\'t need to have harm wished upon them. But you can\'t really say its a suprise he eventually got under someones skin and someone wanted to return the favor. Which they apparently did. I got to know Raz better when I pestered him with questions on building my new PC and outside of the forums I think Raz is a pretty nice guy. But honestly if I hadn\'t talked to Raz on a different medium before I don\'t think I would of cared about any insults that come his way.
That being said and that not being the case because from the brief interaction I have had with Raz in the past I don\'t think he is a grinch and as I said I don\'t think his kids or wife should be brought into an internet forum fight.
As for the new site, I think the new site should be literally made for the 20 or so regulars first and foremost. The blog idea written by members I think is a great idea and letting regulars be mods I also think is a good plan. As Ryu said "let the inmates run the asylum". I think if the new site focuses on small tasks aimed at a small number of people it will get off the ground much much faster than if you devot a large amount of time trying to come up with something that will please a large population of new members.
Honestly this is the first serious discussion we\'ve had on the new site in how many years? I ceartinly don\'t think its time to throw in the towel. Regardless of what some say about the site, it can\'t be that bad when most of the regulars have been here for almost a decade.
PS: If raz pisses me off I can log into TF2 and blow him to smitherines. Maybe because I have that option his negativity doesn\'t bug me.
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Post by: mm on June 13, 2008, 06:00:11 PM
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Honestly this is the first serious discussion we\'ve had on the new site in how many years?
you\'re welcome :P
LIC, i don\'t expect the current members to do anything that they feel is frivolous. new site? all these plans? don\'t realize that this is already psx3central.com? few hours with someone who knows how to implement wordpress or the like, and it\'s done aside from administration. put the link in some sigs on other forums, get some reviews on metacritic/gamerankings and it takes care of itself.
for the 3rd time, i have little expectations for this aside from seeing what people can do with some creativity and humour. i can presume you won\'t be asking to assist?
you didn\'t answer the important topic from my post. let me know if you need it pointed out.
going to make another point over the weekend, lets see if you can notice.
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Post by: Joker on June 13, 2008, 06:03:26 PM
I\'d offer my services to help on the site but alas i\'m one of the suckers who still does not have a PS3. But that\'ll change in a few months and if I still have the amount of free time I do now i\'d be happy to help with the new site in whatever way I can.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Evi on June 13, 2008, 06:18:44 PM
I would love for this site to have the front page back up. I\'ve been here for about 9 years now, longer than most of the regulars and I\'ve watched this place change a lot. I helped way back in the day when the old front page was up and I\'d love to help again when we have the new one. I\'d like to be a part of it.
What I find very sad is after almost a decade (for some of us) getting to know each other over the years that we still have these trivial pissant arguments over nothing. We\'ve all grown up together I think we can cut each other some slack. I know I\'ve gotten on people\'s nerves over the years but I\'ve never held grudges cuz quite frankly, this place is like family almost. Hell I\'ve been posting since I was like 15 and I\'m turning 24.
You guys gotta learn to let go of some of these things because life is too god damn short to bitch over such stupid shit.
I\'m all for supporting the site and any changes happening, especially with the main page and the blogesque route we\'re taking. It sounds like a blast and I\'d be happy to be a part of it.
Anyway guys, chill.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Titan on June 13, 2008, 06:29:04 PM
Well said Evi. I even have started to forget what Uni said. He said something stupid. He deserved a raft of shit in the original thread but we need to let it go. It wasn\'t even worth making a big deal a second time around. As far as Raz\'s family brought into the fight, yes, that did deserve a big deal. But this constant fighting and bickering is just starting to drag out way too much now to the point I don\'t think anyone cares anymore except those involved. I still respect everyone and I\'ve never held grudges against Uni, Raz, politie, even Jumpman who makes fun of me every chance he gets. But we all have a right to say what we want unless it is deemed taboo by forum standards. And I know everyone\'s forum personalities so its not even worth holding a grudge.
We\'re a little family and we need to act it. WE ARE PSX2(3)CENTRAL. We need to run it and this is an amazing idea and I am stoked for it. I think we need to run PSX4Central, then PSX5Central and so on. You guys have seriously seen me grow up and I\'ve seen you guys all grow. It seems like yesterday Vid posted pictures of Logan. Vid, he\'s in elementary school now. It wasn\'t that long ago we were pimply faced adolescents talking about gaming. Now we post wedding pictures and pictures of our children. If that doesn\'t show how much of a family we are, then I don\'t know what is.
BTW, I have an idea for a blog to write so once we get this up and running, I\'ll be ready to write.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Titan on June 13, 2008, 07:02:10 PM
I had another idea just now regarding the forums. What if we did new forums but with the invisible forum that is only open to PSX2Central regulars, we keep it exactly set up like it is now. This way it feels as if it is more home and familiar to us than having just our own little forum for ourselves. This way we can post on the new forum with the new members and yet still have our own little world. I may be a bit insane and out there with this one but I want to see if anyone else likes this idea or not.
Title: letter to all
Post by: clips on June 13, 2008, 07:05:21 PM
*awww.. wipes tear from eye*....Evi, Titan,...what a touching post....heh,..we do have a little family in here...and it can be a bit dysfunctional at times..:D....
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Yeah can\'t have cock touchers like Titan or Paul as mods. The forum would collapse into a shithole.
^^^See what i mean by dysfunctional?...it\'s quotes like this that keep me comin\' back here!..:D
Title: letter to all
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 14, 2008, 02:08:17 AM
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? don\'t realize that this is already psx3central.com?
I\'ve heard it all now. Haha.
And just for the record, Joker - I don\'t bitch about everything . It just seems that way.;).
By the way, we still need to meet up in TF2 again. The other day when you had problems, I had to end up logging out, my girls woke up.
And I agree with one thing Joker said . This site has been around for a decade. People post here. It can\'t be that bad. I just think you\'re over shooting the mark, MM. It\'s a small community site and there is nothing wrong with that at all. Closing membership on the other hand, is wrong. You\'re forcing something to die a slow death when you give it zero chance for membership. Just upgrade the board. Re open membership and be done with it.
When an idea comes up, people always say they want to be part of it - but how often does someone actually take part of it? Very rarely. I\'d imagine the blog / game rating / etc, will be exactly the same.
Title: letter to all
Post by: mm on June 14, 2008, 03:53:02 AM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
I\'ve heard it all now. Haha.
And just for the record, Joker - I don\'t bitch about everything . It just seems that way.;).
By the way, we still need to meet up in TF2 again. The other day when you had problems, I had to end up logging out, my girls woke up.
And I agree with one thing Joker said . This site has been around for a decade. People post here. It can\'t be that bad. I just think you\'re over shooting the mark, MM. It\'s a small community site and there is nothing wrong with that at all. Closing membership on the other hand, is wrong. You\'re forcing something to die a slow death when you give it zero chance for membership. Just upgrade the board. Re open membership and be done with it.
When an idea comes up, people always say they want to be part of it - but how often does someone actually take part of it? Very rarely. I\'d imagine the blog / game rating / etc, will be exactly the same.
heard it all? never went to psx3central.com and saw what happens?
sigh....at what point do i believe you are being stubborn, trolling or just stupid.
i told you repeatedly that membership is closed due to 80+ spambots attacking the site and it has been closed much longer than you realize. i authorize every new membership based on IP address, email used, and username. think \'Raz The Friggin Grea\' was allowed to post due to luck? this was all very time consuming, and i lost interest for a while. im interested again, and you have little right to criticize this.
if one other person aside from me posts on the blog, it\'s a success since nothing exists now. how can you measure this with spite and mockery? if there was payment involved, we wouldn\'t be reliant on generosity for getting this accomplished.
Title: letter to all
Post by: QuDDus on June 14, 2008, 05:19:18 AM
I still like this place time to time. After being here so long everyone should pretty much no who\'s is who. We all no about uni, fred, ect..... But in the end it\'s still all good. Because without those members this place would have no life sometime. Ragging on fred has become a tradition around here.
Without certain members to keep the balance things would suck. We all know Raz can be a jerkoff sometime but hey it works. I believe this site can have success again if it was done right. But not having a main page for so long kind of killed things. If other sites can manage I know this one can and most of those sites suck major ass.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Titan on June 14, 2008, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: QuDDus
I still like this place time to time. After being here so long everyone should pretty much no who\'s is who. We all no about uni, fred, ect..... But in the end it\'s still all good. Because without those members this place would have no life sometime. Ragging on fred has become a tradition around here.
Without certain members to keep the balance things would suck. We all know Raz can be a jerkoff sometime but hey it works. I believe this site can have success again if it was done right. But not having a main page for so long kind of killed things. If other sites can manage I know this one can and most of those sites suck major ass.
I agree. The main site has been down too long but if we do this right, get the right advertisements and everything, we can make this new site a success. Also, we are offering something that other PS3 sites aren\'t offering, a blog page with reviews and everything that is run by the members of the site. Its a new fresh idea that a lot of people could embrace.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 14, 2008, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: mm
heard it all? never went to psx3central.com and saw what happens?
sigh....at what point do i believe you are being stubborn, trolling or just stupid.
i told you repeatedly that membership is closed due to 80+ spambots attacking the site and it has been closed much longer than you realize. i authorize every new membership based on IP address, email used, and username. think \'Raz The Friggin Grea\' was allowed to post due to luck? this was all very time consuming, and i lost interest for a while. im interested again, and you have little right to criticize this.
if one other person aside from me posts on the blog, it\'s a success since nothing exists now. how can you measure this with spite and mockery? if there was payment involved, we wouldn\'t be reliant on generosity for getting this accomplished.
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OMG - YOU GOT A REDIRECT. YOU SO LEET!!11!!
And since when did you have to authorize every new membership? I\'m sure you\'re notified, but last I recall, membership was instant, unlike other forums that come up with a page saying that the ADMIN must authroize and vertify before you can post.
I may be wrong tho\'. If so, I apologize. If not, oh well.
As for one person using it. Sure, if that is how you want to define a success. I\'d define that a total failure. Then again, I doubt you\'ll actually use the BLOG or whatever idea you got cooking. You rarely post and aren\'t known for your community interaction. What makes this idea so much better? Reminds me a lot of the whole journal suggestion - you know, the one that is almost never used.
And while we are at it - honestly, PSX3? No one ever called it that. I understand why this was called PSX2 - but PSX3? You expect people to Google, "PSX3 forums". Or just "PS3 forums"? Because when I google, "PS3 forums", I see plenty of big sites that already have the market cornered.
In the end, more power to you. I\'ll take the wait and see approach, as I\'ve heard all this nonsense about PSX3Central. I\'ve seen the web designs we had at one point. I\'ve read all the suggestions. I\'ve also watched membership keep dying on this forum. Think I\'ll just continue to post, to chat with a few select people and if you manage to pull it off, good job. If not, well, I told ya\' so. ;)
Title: letter to all
Post by: ZippoTheBandit on June 14, 2008, 01:38:24 PM
I\'m confused? I thought membership was closed? Will someone please, explain!?!! And it took me two seconds to register and post? Please clarify. Was I authorized by you - or the system? ;)
Title: letter to all
Post by: Joker on June 14, 2008, 01:43:02 PM
Hey...we don\'t take kindly to bandits round these parts bub.
and Raz seriously, putting your kids before your gaming? sellout.
btw on steam the name is Stay Puft now, not joker.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 14, 2008, 01:44:16 PM
Feel free to delete that username. I\'m just trying to get a clear answer here.
Are memberships closed? This would say they aren\'t. Does MM have to "authorize every single one"? This would say he doesn\'t.
So - what exactly is going on? Either they\'re closed and have been for awhile. Or they aren\'t closed and they don\'t have to be authorized by MM.
Clear answer , please.
Title: letter to all
Post by: nO-One on June 14, 2008, 02:28:14 PM
ok I\'m just going to walk in here and start blabbering. I haven\'t really kept up with events as of late, and as mm put... not been doing my mod duties... never really thought this place to be moderated.
But, like most of you guys... I\'ve been visiting this place daily, for almost a decade. So I\'ve "known" some of you guys for almost a decade now. And the thought of this place going away almost scares me. So all this talk of gloom and doom as of late annoys me.
LIC, I don\'t know man, there\'s been a whole lot of stuff around you as of late, like the whole post deleting stuff that caused you to leave a few months back or the unicron thing now. And this beef you seem to have with mm. People seem to badmouth you alot and I just ignore it, simple reason is that I\'ve always respected you and your opinions and I still do. But I can\'t help to notice that you actively act destructive at times. I don\'t know if this place will ever will ever get back to it\'s "former glory" or not, but we can try to build this place up again. You almost come across as hellbent on this place closing down to prove a point. I just don\'t get why.
Saying stuff that the people here don\'t game any more is just silly. It\'s true that most of us are older and have less time to game. But I for one write video game review now and get payed for doing that. I truly belive that we have a bunch of people here that could maintain an interesting front page, with review, news and opinions.
That being said, this place needs a front page, we\'ve tried to start one but never gotten around to it. A some of us are trying to get ... atleast started behind the scenes. Here\'s to hoping.
Now, this post comes across as whiny and sappy.... well blame that on me being tired and emotional, I was watching one tree hill just a minute ago :p
Title: letter to all
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 14, 2008, 03:24:16 PM
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LIC, I don\'t know man, there\'s been a whole lot of stuff around you as of late, like the whole post deleting stuff that caused you to leave a few months back or the unicron thing now. And this beef you seem to have with mm. People seem to badmouth you alot and I just ignore it, simple reason is that I\'ve always respected you and your opinions and I still do. But I can\'t help to notice that you actively act destructive at times. I don\'t know if this place will ever will ever get back to it\'s "former glory" or not, but we can try to build this place up again. You almost come across as hellbent on this place closing down to prove a point. I just don\'t get why.
I\'ll always love you, buddy. But you need a kick in the nuts (if you have some?!??) for watching One Tree Hill.
I don\'t have a beef with MM. He\'s cynical. I\'m cynical. We merely butt heads at points - at least that is how I view it. I have no actual problem with MM. If anything, I think we\'re both too cynical for our own good and it causes us not to see eye to eye. Typically our arguments just go in circles, but I enjoy them. Just like this little debate. I respect what MM and Bjorn done when this forum started. How many other forums have watched people grow up and have their own children? But there is bad with that. I mean, we lost the main page a long time ago. We lost a lot of good posters and now what is left? A few people who post and pick at each other . Whose to blame? I\'d say MM is partly to blame. He says you all failed at what was required of you as a MOD - but what about him? He has done nothing in years to keep this forum going. It\'s just been the same ole\'. If anything, we lost stuff. Remember when you had to have 500 posts for a picture? That\'s gone. Remember stars? Gone. Seems small, but those things added up and kept people here. Not all is to blame on him - not by any means. People move on. People change. It just happens, I\'m just saying that this forum has been stagnant for how long now? Do you honestly think a typical blog addition is going to add anything?
I\'m not hellbent on this place closing down. I\'m just realistic. Right now it\'s a small community of people and there is nothing wrong with that. Why waste time for something that most likely will be an epic failure?
And just to clear this up.. The only person I generally dislike and have "beef" with is Uni. He just annoys me to no end with his crap, but enough of that.
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and Raz seriously, putting your kids before your gaming? sellout.
I know, I know. We need to hook up and on the same team. I\'m a career medic, usually. I\'ll love you, long long time.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Luke on June 14, 2008, 03:29:26 PM
You jerks do know I play Team Fortress al the time too? How come you never invite me to play with you? :(
And dude, an epic failure? Why do you care so much if some people here wanna use the front page for something other than a redirect to these forums?
We got a front page just sitting there doing nothing, we might as well do something.
A blog site would be easy to maintain, and probably pretty fun, and if it brings in some new members here then all the better.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 14, 2008, 03:30:57 PM
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You jerks do know I play Team Fortress al the time too? How come you never invite me to play with you? :(
And dude, an epic failure? Why do you care so much if some people here wanna use the front page for something other than a redirect to these forums?
We got a front page just sitting there doing nothing, we might as well do something.
A blog site would be easy to maintain, and probably pretty fun, and if it brings in some new members here then all the better.
I don\'t care . I\'m just showing the other side of it.
And uhm - we just never invite you..You know..because uhm...well..this is awkward.
And to answer an earlier question by, MM.
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for the 3rd time, i have little expectations for this aside from seeing what people can do with some creativity and humour. i can presume you won\'t be asking to assist?
You\'d be correct. No chance I am interested in a blog or any of that nonsense. It\'s a forum. I post here to interact with a few people,that\'s all. Then again, that\'s me, I\'m odd cynical bastard, I guess. :D
Title: letter to all
Post by: mm on June 14, 2008, 03:43:24 PM
LIC is correct. i like the guy, and even told him a simple PM would get his old name back if he wanted it.
however, you\'re being a complete dick about that i\'ve done for this forum. do i have to paypal someone else 50$ to setup wordpress and then skip town?
this forum exists for you guys, or bjorn wouldn\'t pay the hosting fees. have you ever seen a single fucking ad around here?
you want a reason why uni was made a mod? how about to poke the bees nest with a stick? got everyone all riled up, didn\'t it. sure didn\'t work like i intended it to, but i apologized and moved on within minutes.
last night, i enabled new signups and turned off the moderation feature. either the spambots have given up and moved on, or there is a problem. in case you think i\'m bullshittin, here\'s the domain email account that lets me know when a new member signs up.
yes, that\'s 7530 since last oct, and i\'ve deleted at least 1000 at the beginning.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Joker on June 14, 2008, 03:51:13 PM
Luke add Tinybit on Steam
Title: letter to all
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 14, 2008, 04:03:55 PM
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however, you\'re being a complete dick about that i\'ve done for this forum. do i have to paypal someone else 50$ to setup wordpress and then skip town?
Man - I\'m not being a a dick here. I\'m just pointing out all the stuff we lost and the members we lost. I apperciate you actually want to do it, but I know you\'ve heard the phrase, "too little, to late". And I feel that is probably what we\'ve encountered. If anything, I think a Multi-Console site would stand a better chance. Something that just caters to every kind of gamer, not specific to Sony. I know that sounds absurd, but honestly, look at all the great PS3 forums out there with features. On the other hand, there isn\'t a lot of great forums that supports every system. They\'re hard to maintain (trolls), but I think they breed a certain bond, due to the fact the posters who actually stay would be non-trolls and people who just enjoy the gaming industry.
That\'s just my two cents and of course, I didn\'t even charge for it.
Best of luck to you on this whole thing. I\'ll continue to appreciate the forum for the people that I enjoy interacting with. Maybe I am just old fashioned like that.
Now, was Uni a mod or not? At one point you denied it and said he simply had special permissions. Now you say he was a MOD. Make up your mind. You know I read those posts in detail, just so I can pick on ya\' and find something.
:D
P.S - I may still take you up on the old name. I\'m starting to feel a bit sentimental.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Luke on June 14, 2008, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
P.S - I may still take you up on the old name. I\'m starting to feel a bit sentimental.
http://doitx2.ytmnd.com/
Title: letter to all
Post by: Jumpman on June 14, 2008, 04:34:51 PM
ddaryl became a mod somehow too, and he literally slept with little boys and made them play Summoner. Dickless ddaryl.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 14, 2008, 04:36:40 PM
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ddaryn became a mod somehow too, and he literally slept with little boys and made them play Summoner. Dickless ddaryn.
Don\'t miss him or the ooSeven.
I do miss Ryu tho\'. He use to find import Saturn games, buy them and just charge for the game and shipping. Great guy all around. I think he even recorded the first episode of \'Justice League Unlimited\' and mailed it to me. At least if I recall correctly, it was him.
Title: letter to all
Post by: mm on June 14, 2008, 08:05:05 PM
Quote from: Raz The Friggin Grea
Man - I\'m not being a a dick here. I\'m just pointing out all the stuff we lost and the members we lost. I apperciate you actually want to do it, but I know you\'ve heard the phrase, "too little, to late". And I feel that is probably what we\'ve encountered. If anything, I think a Multi-Console site would stand a better chance. Something that just caters to every kind of gamer, not specific to Sony. I know that sounds absurd, but honestly, look at all the great PS3 forums out there with features. On the other hand, there isn\'t a lot of great forums that supports every system. They\'re hard to maintain (trolls), but I think they breed a certain bond, due to the fact the posters who actually stay would be non-trolls and people who just enjoy the gaming industry.
That\'s just my two cents and of course, I didn\'t even charge for it.
Best of luck to you on this whole thing. I\'ll continue to appreciate the forum for the people that I enjoy interacting with. Maybe I am just old fashioned like that.
Now, was Uni a mod or not? At one point you denied it and said he simply had special permissions. Now you say he was a MOD. Make up your mind. You know I read those posts in detail, just so I can pick on ya\' and find something.
:D
P.S - I may still take you up on the old name. I\'m starting to feel a bit sentimental.
i am certainly not opposed to the site being multi-console, since i own and enjoy all 3. that will be up to the members who decide to post on the main site. i have one expectation, entertaining.
VBB is funy how it grants permissions. even without being in the "moderator" global group, users can be granted permissions to do mod type actions, yet it still thinks they are a mod while still in the "registered" global group.
i can\'t think of a member we lost that\'s really important. eiksirf and blade still come around occasionally. would love to know what watchdog is up to these days.
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/ has a decent multi-console debate forum i frequent mostly.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Raz The Friggin Grea on June 14, 2008, 08:11:26 PM
Small world. I post there also. Not often, mostly lurk, but I do drop the occasional post.
Sad part is, when I saw your avatar on that forum, I wondered if it was you, but quickly dismissed it. I finally know what one of the M\'s in MM is for.
THE MYSTERY OF THE UNIVERSE IS ALMOST SOLVED
Title: letter to all
Post by: politiepet on June 15, 2008, 12:27:35 AM
yeah wtf?! Michaelo? that\'s gay.
Title: letter to all
Post by: Jumpman on June 15, 2008, 04:59:03 AM
It\'s Mad Mikey and that\'s a fact. I remember the thread.
Title: letter to all
Post by: mm on June 15, 2008, 05:57:25 AM
it\'s been known since N64UNIVERSE days
Title: letter to all
Post by: nO-One on June 15, 2008, 07:04:07 AM
What can I say, One Tree Hill came on..... and... I watched an episode and got all emotional.... that Chad Michael Murray does that to me.:gfight:
Title: letter to all
Post by: Living-In-Clip on June 15, 2008, 08:05:14 AM
Some of us weren\'t gay enough to post on an N64 board. I mean, how boring would that be? A game came out, what, once every three months? ;)