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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Unicron! on June 15, 2008, 02:47:17 PM

Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Unicron! on June 15, 2008, 02:47:17 PM
http://kotaku.com/5016289/rumor-details-on-sonys-motion-controls-no-break+apart

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An anonymous industry source has told Kotaku that reports of a "break-apart" motion controller for the PlayStation 3 that splits into two parts are not entirely accurate.

The control system, said the source, actually consists of a smaller-sized device that can attach to the body - and multiple devices are intended to be used in concert, such as wearing two on the hands to move a character\'s hands in-game, or four, on hands and feet at the same time to move a character\'s body.

Though the source admits the technology might have evolved since the last time it was seen, the source disputes the idea that any of these pieces merge to form a single controller. It is also unclear how the individual pieces will be packaged, whether individually or in sets.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-working-on-break-apart-motion-ps3-pad

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Sony Computer Entertainment is working on a new controller for the PlayStation 3, which features the ability to \'break apart\' into two separate units, each of which contains an accelerometer for \'Wiimote-like\' motion-sensing functionality, GamesIndustry.biz understands.

It\'s not clear when the pad will be officially announced, but it is believed that working units have already been supplied to certain developer partners, according to sources.

The potential for new game types to be developed with the additional motion-sensing functionality should open up the PlayStation 3 to the sorts of gaming audiences that the Nintendo has been so successful at gathering with its Wii console.

I find this concept extremely interesting and promising if true. It should be more functional than the current motion sensing in the PS3 controllers

The only problem is that Sony should have gone with such a controller from the beginning. Mass support is a little difficult since the existing userbase is already in millions. There would be many that wouldnt be able to use the technology unless they are forced to buy another controller.

Despite that I like the concept since both gaming experiences can be featured on a game/controller and offers more flexibility to the developer.
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Living-In-Clip on June 15, 2008, 05:47:03 PM
You know why it\'d be more functional than the current PS3 motion control? Because that one is a gimmick and broken. It was a rush to replace vibration and try to keep up with Nintendo.
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Unicron! on June 15, 2008, 05:56:02 PM
Well whatever the reasons they might bring something worth noticing now than the initial dysfunctional attempt
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Living-In-Clip on June 15, 2008, 08:46:55 PM
Too late in the game to launch another controller and expect developers to develop for it. Think of it like the failed broadband adapter.  You can\'t and shouldn\'t expect developers to support something that every single user may not have. Hell, you can\'t even guarantee that 50 percent of the market would have it.
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Unicron! on June 15, 2008, 08:49:56 PM
Yeah thats one of the points I tried to make above. Still there is some possibility it might work out.
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: politiepet on June 16, 2008, 12:21:15 AM
Quote from: Living-In-Clip
Too late in the game to launch another controller and expect developers to develop for it. Think of it like the failed broadband adapter.  You can\'t and shouldn\'t expect developers to support something that every single user may not have. Hell, you can\'t even guarantee that 50 percent of the market would have it.



how about the dual shock 2 for the first playstation? I\'m not saying it will work, but it is definitely possible....
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Nolaws on June 16, 2008, 02:35:32 AM
or how about Guitar Hero or Rock Band ?

If people are willing to pay for something they will enjoy, then developer will follow. Heck, people pay 300$ for a Wii.
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Knotter8 on June 16, 2008, 03:36:10 AM
I\'m now in my 2nd week with a PS3 + Sixaxis pad ; I am really NOT missing rumble all that much.

Don\'t get me wrong, i like rumble, but sometimes i find rumble feedback rather annoying.

Either way, the succes of this new item will depend big time on good game implementation, otherwise it\'ll bomb from start.
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: clips on June 16, 2008, 04:31:08 AM
Meh,..i agree it\'s a bit late for them to be trying this....and Rumble > sixaxis anyway.
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Living-In-Clip on June 16, 2008, 06:17:48 AM
Quote from: Nolaws
or how about Guitar Hero or Rock Band ?

If people are willing to pay for something they will enjoy, then developer will follow. Heck, people pay 300$ for a Wii.


You smoking something?
You can\'t compare a controller built specfic for one game or genre, as compared to a controller that has to be SOLD and then hope developers develop for it.

Not even in same league.
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Sublimesjg on June 16, 2008, 09:21:19 AM
although the dual shock 2 comment was in the same league... :p if you missed it

but even so don\'t think many ps3 players are too big into motion stuff anyways - its a nice thought but only game i found it not to be annoying was warhawk and folklore
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Unicron! on June 16, 2008, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: Living-In-Clip
You smoking something?
You can\'t compare a controller built specfic for one game or genre, as compared to a controller that has to be SOLD and then hope developers develop for it.

Not even in same league.

You are right with your point. I am sure Sony is aware of this as well. It will be interesting to see how they will deal with it and how they will introduce the controller
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Titan on June 16, 2008, 01:36:00 PM
Quote from: Knotter8
I\'m now in my 2nd week with a PS3 + Sixaxis pad ; I am really NOT missing rumble all that much.

Don\'t get me wrong, i like rumble, but sometimes i find rumble feedback rather annoying.

Either way, the succes of this new item will depend big time on good game implementation, otherwise it\'ll bomb from start.


That\'s why you shut it off :p

I like the rumble. I have no experience with the six axis and as of right now, I\'m not sure how much I\'ll like it or get used to it. I\'ll have to get back in a few weeks when I finally get my PS3 :)
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Living-In-Clip on June 16, 2008, 05:04:37 PM
Quote from: Unicron!
You are right with your point. I am sure Sony is aware of this as well. It will be interesting to see how they will deal with it and how they will introduce the controller

Reminds me a lot of broadband for PS2. It kept getting hyped..Pushed back..Hyped and by the time they launched it, no one really wanted it no one , including Sony expected it to actually sell.

We old timers know this as pulling \'the Sega\'.
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Sublimesjg on June 16, 2008, 10:35:14 PM
actually the broadband adapter didnt do too bad - it sold for games like socom and final fantasy xi...

it was the fact that other then those 2 games and sports titles no one really took advantage of it
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: politiepet on June 16, 2008, 11:37:27 PM
Quote from: Sublimesjg
it was the fact that other then those 2 games and sports titles no one really took advantage of it



yeah well, that was his entire point, so saying that is kind of moot...

However, I\'d like LIC to respond on the succes of the dual shock for the ps1, since that obviously was a succes. It seems that under certain criteria it can be a succes. Question is, what are they?...
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Knotter8 on June 16, 2008, 11:47:47 PM
Quote from: Titan
That\'s why you shut it off :p

I like the rumble. I have no experience with the six axis and as of right now, I\'m not sure how much I\'ll like it or get used to it. I\'ll have to get back in a few weeks when I finally get my PS3 :)


Ever heard of \'nuance\'  ?

For example : 65 % of the rumble feedback in a game i might find very useful and non-annoying, yet the remaining 35 % of rumble instances are way too rumblish and there happens to be no setting inbetween. Yeah, then it becomes the all or nothing choice. \'nothing\' will mean, lacking those essential 65%.

Anyway, i have no probs with Sixaxis... i\'m not with the people who say it sucks.
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Unicron! on June 17, 2008, 07:24:34 AM
Quote from: politiepet
yeah well, that was his entire point, so saying that is kind of moot...

However, I\'d like LIC to respond on the succes of the dual shock for the ps1, since that obviously was a succes. It seems that under certain criteria it can be a succes. Question is, what are they?...
Well either you had Dual Shock or not, you could still play almost every game that supported it. The analog did the same thing the digital d-buttons did but added more accuracy edit: oh and rumble support. It started to replace the original controllers and it was packed with the newer PS1 models

If its a similar case with the new controller (being able to play the same game with both methods) it will be easy to make it succeed. If motion sensing becomes mandatory for supporting games then things will be different. (see the PS1 RC Copters)

Still not as difficult to implement as broadband support. Broadband support demanded a lot from the PS2 user (hdd? adapter? disk? configuration? extra money?), and I guess it also needed an infrastructure. It was a much complicated feature for Sony to implement

In this case, you could just need the controller, which may also become available with every console sold
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: politiepet on June 17, 2008, 08:19:14 AM
Don\'t count out the fact that the old controller was replaced with the new one, leaving people without much of a choice of what to buy...
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Unicron! on June 17, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
Well I think everyone would have preferred the Dual Shock over the original even if the original was available. The only differentiated factor would have been price :)
Title: Possibility for a new PS3 controller
Post by: Eiksirf on June 17, 2008, 10:48:42 AM
This controller would be better if it had a webcam attached to it and a microphone. And maybe if it came with drum sticks and foot pedals. Then Sony would make lots of money, right?