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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: BizioEE on August 04, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
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Really interesting interview with Carmack, who is finally discovering PS3 as the best format for Rage.
He\'s learning how to code Cell/RSX(now ID have Better PS3 development tools) even if he admits it can be sometime a pain to squeeze all the power ...while XBox360 more friendly.
Than he started to talk about Mega Textures, that will cover all the environments, and the need of a HD for an intense streaming experience and the Bluray format for all the content in Rage! ID having problems on XBox due to the fact MS refused the HD requirements and the lack of Bluray.
We have to find a compromise and we shoud use 3 standard DVD to come close to what we are achieving on PS3.
...and he adds, Rage is ok with one Bluray-DVD but other games would even require a dual-layer Bluray.
ID, in few words, will sacrifice some aspects in the XBox version, most of all textures and Carmack clearly admitted that PS3 is the best system for its very demanding game Rage.
this video (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/37903.html)
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have a feeling this is one of those games that will seem like it\'s in development forever.
sounds like fallout meets doom 3 to me, but i definitly need to see actual gameplay before i get excited about it like other people are.
btw..are you clowd?
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Way to spin Bizio
This is just a ploy by Carmack to lower MS fees because the Rage needs more than two DVDs for all those megatextures. He still yaddas 360 is more powerful due to ease.
More importantly if he knew anything meaningful about Cell, Quake Territory Wars would not have been farmed out to become the ugliest game (by a long shot) on PS3. So bad it makes Haze look Great.
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it looks like the video clips were either pre-rendered or current pc graphic quality wise because it looks very CG. I doubt 360 or ps3 can pull out that quality since these consoles are about 2 to 3 years old already. But of course, the video clips are in small resolution so it\'s hard to tell.
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I doubt 360 or ps3 can pull out that quality since these consoles are about 2 to 3 years old already.
And... the graphics always get better on consoles as the years go on when devs familiarize themselves with the hardware and figuring out ways to get the most juice out of the system(s).
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have a feeling this is one of those games that will seem like it\'s in development forever.
sounds like fallout meets doom 3 to me, but i definitly need to see actual gameplay before i get excited about it like other people are.
btw..are you clowd?
The most incredible thing about this game is that at its currrent form, they managed to have the PC, PS3 and 360 run at 60fps with nearly identical look according to id and some journalists. Personally I find it hard to believe. It looks too good
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you also gotta remember you have a lot of resources taken up while gaming on pc... while not on console, there is not windows ram hog and so forth
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Way to spin Bizio
This is just a ploy by Carmack to lower MS fees because the Rage needs more than two DVDs for all those megatextures. He still yaddas 360 is more powerful due to ease.
More importantly if he knew anything meaningful about Cell, Quake Territory Wars would not have been farmed out to become the ugliest game (by a long shot) on PS3. So bad it makes Haze look Great.
Well, he never said XBox is more powerful, just easier to develop for; He\'s used with PC like architecture and in the beginning he was just praising the MS creature for its developments tools, but now he\'s realizing that PS3 is a better hardware/format for their game Rage, even if it\'s more difficult to develop for...
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it looks like the video clips were either pre-rendered or current pc graphic quality wise because it looks very CG. I doubt 360 or ps3 can pull out that quality since these consoles are about 2 to 3 years old already. But of course, the video clips are in small resolution so it\'s hard to tell.
nahhh, it\'s after 2,3 years that you start to see the real beauty from next gen consoles as devs start to squeeze the hardware. Have you seen KillZone2 ? If ID are finally and really learning how to code Cell/RSX, plus the HD and Bluray-format, you may expect a brilliant result.
Not so sure about XBox360...really lacking the hardware that PS3 and the best PCs have, most of all the built-in HD and Bluray-format.
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Doesnt it depend on the game they want to make, which hardware is best suited?
I am not sure which console he considers the most powerful but if a game needs more memory flexibility then the 360 is better suited and will get better results I am sure.
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Pay carefull attention to the Rage trailer :
The actual 2nd half part with the racing buggies looks un impressive, compared to the first half mostly filled with indoor character scenes.
The buggies\' collision/debris physics & particle systems still look a step behind,
Motorstorm & Baja. Also ; the Rage sandy floor looked unaffected, solid as concrete.
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[size=+1]id Software shows new Rage screenshots / SIGGRAPH 2009.[/size]
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Source (http://www.xhardware.com.br/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=218:id-software-libera-novas-screens-de-rage-direto-da-siggraph-2009&catid=47:games&Itemid=100)
Impressive.
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And... the graphics always get better on consoles as the years go on when devs familiarize themselves with the hardware and figuring out ways to get the most juice out of the system(s).
I think this argument is getting stale. When console makers had extremely custom GPUs made for their system this could hold some truth, but nowadays ALL console manufacturers turn to either ATi or nVidia to make a some semi-custom GPU which in the end is just a bit different than what they currently offer on PCs.
The hardware has been available on PCs for sometime now, plus OpenGL (albeit PS3 uses a slightly modified version) and Direct3D APIs are widely accessible, and the tools to optimize them on each brand of hardware are well available to anyone that wants to use them.
http://developer.nvidia.com/page/home.html
http://developer.amd.com/GPU/Pages/default.aspx
But what do I know? That asian guy on here that designs games can answer this better than me..
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Rage Video Game, QuakeCon Trailer HD | Game Trailers & Videos | GameTrailers.com (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/54146.html)
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http://www.eurogamer.pt/gallery.php?game_id=8183&article_id=928817
Pics :
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Doesnt it depend on the game they want to make, which hardware is best suited?
I am not sure which console he considers the most powerful but if a game needs more memory flexibility then the 360 is better suited and will get better results I am sure.
Yeah, what are the RAM comparisons between ps3 and xbox360 again? I don\'t know, but the HDD in the ps3 takes a large amount of weight off of the ps3\'s memory... Xbox360 isn\'t required to have them installed so all games must utilize as much memory as they can without lag and stream from the DVD..
I\'m just unsure of your reasoning behind this..
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Carmack clearly admitted that PS3 is the best system for its very demanding game Rage, in an old interview, praising the big advantage of the Blu-Ray for the amount of textures.
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These shots give me a huge boner.
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^^Yup...that\'s what shots of viagra will do to you...i\'ll let your wife in on your little secret later...:fro:
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Straight into the piss pump
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[size=+1]RAGE first gameplay HD [/size]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3J2dnhR1KE&feature=related
It looks fantastic, but I have no idea about game-play. Let\'s wait and see.
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there\'s actual gameplay footage around.
The enemies move and react to getting shot amazingly well. The only scene that i can remember is in this sewer, close-quarters type of area. Looked impressive and worth getting a little hyped about. It\'ll be a solid game at the least
Most places gave rage \'best of show\' at e3 this year
Part 1 Walkthrough: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-rage/700655
Part 2 Walkthrough: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-rage/700653
(not too big a fan of that gametrailers guy...but gameplay\'s gameplay)
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Not gonna front, the game is looking incredibly good, Fallout surprised me since i\'m not really into games like that, especially FPS....the option for third person view(tho kinda useless) was a plus for me as well, but the overall post apocolyptic setting is what pulled me into that game.
This game and boarderlands look to be on the cartoonier side of things(visually) but i\'m still likin\' the look of this....i wonder if they\'ll have a 3rd person view option....looks good tho.
And that gametrailers host was sweeter than a pack of jolly ranchers...:gfight:
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Yep, the trailers Viper posted are impressive, a bit excited :D
I like the "dark scaring" atmosphere, the way monsters attack you, and you moving slow to watch behind the corner. I\'m pretty sure it will be a solid game, and more.
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edited.
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[size=+1]Developer Interview: RAGE[/size]
http://games.on.net/article/10441/Developer_Interview_RAGE
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Untethered Trailer HD
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/untethered-trailer-rage/710644
Cool ! :D Excited.
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Rage Weapons Video Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwwNi_RcEG8&feature=player_embedded
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RAGE Arsenal Gameplay Montage HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K-_qngw0Bs&feature=player_embedded
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RAGE Dead City Trailer - Gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XGo5BnfU2Y&feature=player_embedded
Day one.
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New Game-play
http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_rage_the_shrouded-20605_en.html
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Carmack says gamers couldn’t believe RAGE looked so good on PS3, checked under the Kiosks
RAGE is undoubtedly one of the biggest releases of 2011 and with id Software creating it, gamers have very high expectations from the title. John Carmack has revealed something which is bound to instill some confidence in PS3 gamers’ minds.
Carmack told that gamers who had the chance to try out RAGE at their booth at E3 on the PS3, were so shocked by the impressive visuals on offer that they actually went as far as checking under the kiosks to double-check that it was indeed running on a PS3. He revealed this via a tweet:
RAGE releases on September 13 for PS3, Xbox 360 and PC. We’ll have some hands-on impressions regarding the title later in the week. Stay tuned.
http://www.gamersmint.com/carmack-says-gamers-couldnt-believe-rage-looked-so-good-on-ps3-checked-under-the-kiosks
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More Pics
http://www.gamerzines.com/ps3/media/images/rage-13299.html
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[size=+1]QuakeCon 2011 - John Carmack Keynote [/size]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zgYG-_ha28&feature=player_embedded#at=12
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[size=+1]RAGE (2011) - Making of the Enemy - Part 5 of 6 | OFFICIAL | HD[/size]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ30iCYHgn0&feature=player_embedded
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QuakeCon 2011 - John Carmack Keynote [/size]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zgYG-_ha28&feature=player_embedded#at=12
I just watched this link of your a few days ago and i thought it was cute and funny that his mouthpiece mic or whatever its called was buggy and some guy handed him the handheld mic to talk then like an hour later of talking, he got tired so he sit on the chair and talk which is cute and funny too.
added: i have to skimmed through his speeches because it was really long but he\'s very intelligent and he is a very good speaker too. wish i am that good a speaker and good at remember what to chat about on the fly like he is.
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GC 2011: Hands-on with Rage
http://www.nag.co.za/2011/08/19/gc-2011-hands-on-with-rage-%E2%80%93-part-1/