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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Eiksirf on May 26, 2009, 12:58:01 PM
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What do we think about this decision?
Personally, I think gays should be allowed to have a legal civil union or "marriage" and then if there\'s a church that wants to jump on board with its blessing, so be it.
I really don\'t get why the big fuss... A lot of gays want that title of marriage because they\'ve placed the title on the same pedestal as the Christian groups. It\'s just as important and sacred to them, so it doesn\'t de-value the term like is being argued by some, in my opinion.
I look at it as a basic civil right and I think it\'s weird that we can vote on it at all.
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i can\'t even take care of myself, so i have no comment on big issue like this.
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yea, if anyone was going to legalize i thought itd be california. everyone from up north comments on how conservative san diego is to the rest of the state (probably because the military is big here...thats my only guess), and san diego is far from right wing
as for gay marriage, I dont see why they shouldnt be allowed to either. The only reason to not allow it is because of religious purposes, right? how is that separation of church and state?
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I\'m down with civil unions them getting all the rights of those who are married.
I just refuse to call it marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, if we change that, we go down a slippery slope. What about the person who wants to marry their pet? Their sibling? A farm animal? People will want to push the envelope more and more.
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Please............ kennedy STFU.
Personally I think that whole situation is a damn shame and would like to here one legitimate argument against it.
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I\'m down with civil unions them getting all the rights of those who are married.
I just refuse to call it marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, if we change that, we go down a slippery slope. What about the person who wants to marry their pet? Their sibling? A farm animal? People will want to push the envelope more and more.
so a gay chick/dude marrying another chick/dude is the same as marrying an antelope?
the arguement makes no sense. it\'s a person marrying another person.
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Please............ kennedy STFU.
Personally I think that whole situation is a damn shame and would like to here one legitimate argument against it.
because you\'d be changing the definition of marriage
I am not an evil person, I said they should get all the rights, just can\'t call it marraige, why is that so wrong?
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so a gay chick/dude marrying another chick/dude is the same as marrying an antelope?
the arguement makes no sense. it\'s a person marrying another person.
So right now you have people arguing they should be able to marry whomever they want, man or woman. Fair enough. So the next person comes along and says, "well you let these two men and two women marry, why can\'t I marry my dog, I love my dog as much as they love each other."
When you do shit like change the definition of something, you open up the door to further, and more ridiculous changes. I have nothing against homosexuals, i believe they deserve all the rights of heterosexuals and such, but I just can\'t call it marriage. I don\'t understand why that is so wrong, I would argue they deserve all the rights of a married couple until I\'m blue in the face. Please, someone explain what I am missing here.
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Oh, so you don\'t approve of beastiality. Good. It\'s sad that this is the main reason a lot of people won\'t let two people in love get "married".
Definitions change all the time, it\'s time to update our definition for marriage to allow gays to be married. It happened already. 18,000 people in Cali are "gay married" and no one has even tried to elope with a giraffe. Don\'t be silly.
Besides, if you want to go down that slippery slope, a pet can\'t be consenting so it\'s animal abuse and not allowed. End of debate. The arguement for polygamy is a better one, and I don\'t know enough about it to say anything one way or the other.
Essentially I agree with you about civil unions, but call them state marriages or something even across the board whether you\'re straight or gay. Then if a church wants to recognize your marriage, let it.
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whatever
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mar·riage Listen to the pronunciation of marriage
Pronunciation:
\\ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date:
14th century
1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage b: the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected ; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities3: an intimate or close union
Separate is not equal.......
Again, I\'d like to see one legitimate argument against it.
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They need to call it "Civil Union" and not marriage. That way, Christians won\'t care coz it\'s not "marriage". Gays get a different type of certificate compared to straight couples. Like a pink sheet of paper, straight gets white. Butches and Bambies get theirs in a scroll within a dildo.
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Heh. Nah, just "offend" the Christians and be done with it.
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Heh. Nah, just "offend" the Christians and be done with it.
Christians won\'t care if they just give the butt munchers/ball breakers another title for "unity".
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50 years from now, we\'re gonna look back on decisions like this one the same way we now look back on Jim Crow laws. And rightfully so.
"Let\'s just give them a separate but equal type of union (if even that)!" What a disgrace.
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It is disgraceful.
Conservatives will endlessly recite "I\'ve got nothing against gays..." (Remember the old phrase "Some of my best friends are...." ? Same thing) I think they don\'t want to admit their prejudice even to themselves.
In the mind of a reactionary conservative, it\'s basically like this: "We straights have this thing we think belongs to us (marriage). We don\'t like you gays, so we\'re not going to let you have it. You gays are taking over everything else. We see you on television, we have to listen to your funny voices in movies, and now people in our own hometowns are even talking about themselves like its OK to be a homo. But you\'ll never get this from us."
It\'s just like all other civil rights struggles. Sooner or later narrow minded prejudice will be defeated. It\'s just a matter of time, and you make yourselves look like idiots by prolonging it.
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what an awful generalization - you seem to like to throw people under the bus
I\'m all for equal rights for gays, I even said so in my posts
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Your definition of "equal rights" is inherently unjust. As mentioned above, "separate but equal" is not equality.
As someone who claims to believe in individual Liberty, I am amazed that you aren\'t willing to grant it to all our citizens. I thought Libertarians were supposed to be against the will of the masses curtailing the liberties of the individual.
1: the quality or state of being free: a: the power to do as one pleases b: freedom from physical restraint c: freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d: the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e: the power of choice
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I\'m all for gay unity or civil union. Marriage is a religious thing. Civil Union is not.
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Your definition of "equal rights" is inherently unjust. As mentioned above, "separate but equal" is not equality.
As someone who claims to believe in individual Liberty, I am amazed that you aren\'t willing to grant it to all our citizens. I thought Libertarians were supposed to be against the will of the masses curtailing the liberties of the individual.
1: the quality or state of being free: a: the power to do as one pleases b: freedom from physical restraint c: freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d: the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e: the power of choice
What liberty am I infringing on, the union of two people, regardless of gender? Hmm, nope all for that. Shouldn\'t get benefits of marriage? Didn\'t say that either.
All I said was, it can be everything marriage is except be called marriage. The analogy to separate but equal is weak, because in the pre-civil rights days the facilities were hardly equal.
If you are a gay or lesbian couple, I am all for you having the rights and privileges of a straight couple, I don\'t frown upon you, I don\'t hold any ill will toward you, I will treat you as any other person in society.
I just sit here in shock in awe over how willing you are to throw tradition to the wayside. It just further proves that liberalism is a mental disorder. Good grief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act - Signed into law by your buddy Bill Clinton
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This is a touchy subject...but i do believe it should be called civil unions...in general when one thinks of marriage, they automatically believe it\'s between a man and a woman. I too feel they should have the same rights as married couples, but just call it civil unions.
I look at it like this...we both have sportcars.... i have a lambo and you a ferrari...basically the same thing, just different names.
One thing that i didn\'t like tho just recently was the fiasco with the beauty pagent. When that chic honestly and respectively spoke about what marriage meant to her, she was shamefully attacked for it, and one of the judges..who happened to be gay, went online with some rediculous charade and called her all kinds of bitches....totally unprofessional and uncalled for. I can see if she was disrespectful or was condensending, but she wasn\'t....she just honestly spoke from her gut.
I\'ll speak up for folks that are discriminatyed against or treated wrongly as i\'ve done here a gazillion times already, but the folks who attacked her, just for being honest, were wrong any day of the week.
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What liberty am I infringing on, the union of two people, regardless of gender? Hmm, nope all for that. Shouldn\'t get benefits of marriage? Didn\'t say that either.
All I said was, it can be everything marriage is except be called marriage. The analogy to separate but equal is weak, because in the pre-civil rights days the facilities were hardly equal.
If you are a gay or lesbian couple, I am all for you having the rights and privileges of a straight couple, I don\'t frown upon you, I don\'t hold any ill will toward you, I will treat you as any other person in society.
I just sit here in shock in awe over how willing you are to throw tradition to the wayside. It just further proves that liberalism is a mental disorder. Good grief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act - Signed into law by your buddy Bill Clinton
Civil liberties...
Again I do not see the big deal.
Men and women will still get married and call it a marriage after all of those dirty, dirty people get their rights....lol...
Your right things were hardly equal then or now...but their time is now like my grandfather had his in the 60\'s.
It proves that people deserve rights. Fuck tradition if it isn\'t fair. Slavery was a tradition as well...see where Im going with this?
I dont give a fuck if jesus christ signed the bill...wrong is wrong.
I guess when logic fails..let\'s bring up a political party or political figure.....
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Kennedy, you\'re arguing that it is no different to be called something other than marriage, but if that were true, this wouldn\'t be a big deal in the first place. Someone can be gay, and the concept of marriage can be just as important to them as to any straight person arguing against gay marriage, especially after they already had that right for a time.
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All I said was, it can be everything marriage is except be called marriage.
I\'m sure this sounds great from your perspective. "You are totally equal to me. Equal in every possible way. Yup, no doubt about it, you have every right I have. Oh yeah, one more thing... we\'re not going to let you get married. Come on, it\'s such a little thing. Why don\'t you get over it?" Are you incapable of putting yourself in the shoes of a person who is told that?
There are a lot of fucked up traditions I would like to abolish. Just because something is a tradition doesn\'t make it right. Conservatives look backward. Liberals look forward.
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Conservatives look backward. Liberals look forward.
Wow, what a fucking elitist perspective. I can\'t even have an independent thought on this forum even if I agree with 99% of what you\'re saying. I want more freedom for people than you\'d ever be willing to give meanwhile all you care about is giving two men/women the right to call their union marriage. I care more about the rights associated with it than what its actually called. Look at the big picture dog, this is about rights, and nothing else.
Liberalism is not about freedom. It\'s about control. Modern day Liberals want to have the government control much of your life, from your economics to what you think. We can\'t have freedom of discussion, because if you go to a liberal forum, you will get shouted down, spit at, or attacked. So much for \'give peace a chance\'. Liberals are the most hypocritical people in the world. It\'s fine for them to attack a conservative because they are being provoked. Apparently, they lose control of all their bodily functions when presented with an independent thought. Anyone who says that modern-day liberalism is about freedom of choice, freedom of thought, freedom of anything is reading it out of a book and not living in the real world. Look around you. Experience life, and then tell me that liberals want you to have freedom.
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Marriage is a religious institution. Goverment and the courts have no right to dictate or rather change the definition of marriage. Aren\'t you libs all for the separation of church and state?
Call them unions or whatever, but marriage is between a man and a woman. All this is basically about is them receiving equal spousal benefits that married couples do. This has nothing to do with "love". Core and others fail to see what the arguement is really about. Us conservatives don\'t care if they are "united" and receive the same legal benefits married couples do, but we are opposed to granting it the title of marriage.
Gays are whiners anyway.
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I care more about the rights associated with it than what its actually called. Look at the big picture dog, this is about rights, and nothing else.
It\'s doesn\'t matter what you care more about. It matters that some gay couples care not only that they have their right to a union but that they want it to be a marriage. It means something to them which is what makes it worth changing.
You said earlier that with black and white separate-but-equal bathrooms, the facilities were hardly equal. So that justified for you that in this case, separate but equal would be ok - because it\'d actually be equal. But separate is shitty, too, and you have to understand that part.
It\'s kind of like the idea of a "kiddy table." We tell kids to go eat at the kiddy table. It\'s the same as our table and they\'ll eat the same food so it\'s all equal. Except that kids still know they\'re being placed on a different level than the adults. One day, they hope to eat at the grownup table, and that\'s the difference between having a "civil union" and having a "marriage." It\'s the same shit, but an entirely different status. You want to fix this for real, you let gay couples have a "marriage".
There actually is a bit more to this one than just the rights. I used to feel the same way as you do, but that\'s not good enough for some gay couples and they\'re right. It\'s not even worth the energy to fight it, it\'s just a title.
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I thought Kennedy and Giga supported gay marriage due to the copious amounts of semen they swallow a month?
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Marriage is a religious institution. ... Us conservatives don\'t care if they are "united" and receive the same legal benefits married couples do, but we are opposed to granting it the title of marriage.
Hey, if scientology gets to be a religion, then the idea that any religious institution is sacred or unchangeable is thrown out the window anyway. I could start up a new religion tomorrow that says straights can\'t be married, because our new god says so, and only gays can.
Besides, marriage isn\'t a religious institution. You can be legally married by a judge with nary a priest in sight. Look at some of these definitions:
1. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
2.the state, condition, or relationship of being married; wedlock: a happy marriage.
3.the legal or religious ceremony that formalizes the decision of a man and woman to live as husband and wife, including the accompanying social festivities: to officiate at a marriage.
4.a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves to each other in the manner of a husband and wife, without legal sanction: trial marriage; homosexual marriage.
5.any close or intimate association or union: the marriage of words and music in a hit song.
6.a formal agreement between two companies or enterprises to combine operations, resources, etc., for mutual benefit; merger.
7.a blending or matching of different elements or components: The new lipstick is a beautiful marriage of fragrance and texture.
Seriously, I can marry fragrance and texture. That\'s not religious in any sense of the word, nor does it have to do with men or women, straights or gays. Marriage is what we want it to be, and it\'s time for us to ... well, edit definition 4, basically.
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Hey, if scientology gets to be a religion, then the idea that any religious institution is sacred or unchangeable is thrown out the window anyway. I could start up a new religion tomorrow that says straights can\'t be married, because our new god says so, and only gays can.
Besides, marriage isn\'t a religious institution. You can be legally married by a judge with nary a priest in sight. Look at some of these definitions:
1. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
2.the state, condition, or relationship of being married; wedlock: a happy marriage.
3.the legal or religious ceremony that formalizes the decision of a man and woman to live as husband and wife, including the accompanying social festivities: to officiate at a marriage.
4.a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves to each other in the manner of a husband and wife, without legal sanction: trial marriage; homosexual marriage.
5.any close or intimate association or union: the marriage of words and music in a hit song.
6.a formal agreement between two companies or enterprises to combine operations, resources, etc., for mutual benefit; merger.
7.a blending or matching of different elements or components: The new lipstick is a beautiful marriage of fragrance and texture.
Seriously, I can marry fragrance and texture. That\'s not religious in any sense of the word, nor does it have to do with men or women, straights or gays. Marriage is what we want it to be, and it\'s time for us to ... well, edit definition 4, basically.
I can\'t believe you are arguing over what to call it. There is no way I will ever call a gay couple "married". Unified, joined, etc... yes. Married no. You are playing games with words and that is a weak defense. Also your analogy of being able to "create" a religion is flawed. That would be a cult, just like Scientology is.
In biblical terms a marriage is between and man and a woman. Civil unions are done by the government. I do not think it is time to change any such definition to conform to what homosexuals want. They want to be accepted as normal, which they are far from. Why should religions such as Christianity, Judaism and Islam be forced to recognize something they view as morally wrong? Because it is the "progressive" thing to do? Keep goverment out of religion and vice versa.
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Therefore it should never have been deemed illegal by government in the first place........
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It\'s doesn\'t matter what you care more about. It matters that some gay couples care not only that they have their right to a union but that they want it to be a marriage. It means something to them which is what makes it worth changing.
You said earlier that with black and white separate-but-equal bathrooms, the facilities were hardly equal. So that justified for you that in this case, separate but equal would be ok - because it\'d actually be equal. But separate is shitty, too, and you have to understand that part.
It\'s kind of like the idea of a "kiddy table." We tell kids to go eat at the kiddy table. It\'s the same as our table and they\'ll eat the same food so it\'s all equal. Except that kids still know they\'re being placed on a different level than the adults. One day, they hope to eat at the grownup table, and that\'s the difference between having a "civil union" and having a "marriage." It\'s the same shit, but an entirely different status. You want to fix this for real, you let gay couples have a "marriage".
There actually is a bit more to this one than just the rights. I used to feel the same way as you do, but that\'s not good enough for some gay couples and they\'re right. It\'s not even worth the energy to fight it, it\'s just a title.
So if I find enough people that want to marry their pets we should allow it? Who are you to tell them they can\'t marry their cat or dog or whatever? We wouldn\'t want to sit them at the kiddy table either, the "beasties" have as much of a right to marriage as gays and lesbians. So as long as we\'re making the argument that all that matters is what those involved care about, why stop at gay marriage?
I dunno, it seems like your being rather selective with your freedoms.
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I thought Kennedy and Giga supported gay marriage due to the copious amounts of semen they swallow a month?
lmao
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So if I find enough people that want to marry their pets we should allow it? Who are you to tell them they can\'t marry their cat or dog or whatever? We wouldn\'t want to sit them at the kiddy table either, the "beasties" have as much of a right to marriage as gays and lesbians. So as long as we\'re making the argument that all that matters is what those involved care about, why stop at gay marriage?
I dunno, it seems like your being rather selective with your freedoms.
You make really weak arguments.
Animals cannot give consent.....
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What Kennedy gave an example of is an extreme case. What about polygamists? What about pedophiles? You open the door to a lot of issues. Leave marriage as between man and woman and give the queers civil unions with all the benefits under law of marriage. Which is what this is really about. Simple enough.
Face it, a majority of people in this country don\'t want gay marriage to be recognized. How many fucking times does this have to be voted on? California voted it down at least twice that I know of, yet "progressives" like the Mayor of San Francisco decided all by himself that they should be legal. Will of the people? Hardly. More like dictatorship.
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And it gets closer to passing each time it gets on the ballot....
Do you think different types of people should have separate restrooms and the same rights?
I dont know why it is anyones business in the first place..... It does not affect ANYONE but those that want to be married.
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Different people do have to use seperate restrooms and do have the same rights - men\'s rooms and women\'s rooms. Nice try though.
Whatever... The people of the country don\'t want it and shouldn\'t be forced to accept it. They are not being discriminated against. Civil Unions are the same the fucking thing. Marriage has always been traditionally between a man and a woman - along come some whiney fags who want the same title... tough. It doesn\'t work that way. Accept the title of partnered, union, whatever - they have the exact same rights.
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You wanna play semantics...ok..
Should whites, blacks..mexicans....be forced to use different bathrooms yet have the same rights?
That is the problem within itself. It has NOTHING to do with people other than the ones that want to get married to a same sex partner.
BTW, they are being discriminated against far and wide b/c in many places they do not have the same rights as married couples.
Thankfully, homophobes like you will probably end up having to live with same sex couples being "married" using the term marriage in your lifetime. :)
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You can make all the arguments you want, but when push came to shove, more people didn\'t want it, than wanted it, that\'s democracy.
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Some day gay marriage will be legal everywhere in this country, and you Giga will still be sitting in your lazyboy complaining about "whiney fags." Your grandchildren will snicker about your many prejudices, but our country will move forward without you.
I\'ll be laughing my ass off.
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Some day gay marriage will be legal everywhere in this country, and you Giga will still be sitting in your lazyboy complaining about "whiney fags." Your grandchildren will snicker about your many prejudices, but our country will move forward without you.
I\'ll be laughing my ass off.
Clueless as usual. My children and grandchildren will not be indoctrinated by the pc police and queer activists.
And luckee, I for one will never refer to those people as being married. Civil unions are legal contracts - which would resolve this perceived discrimination you are seeing. When you get married you have to go get a license, which technically marries you right then and there. The church just does a ceremony. Therefore, marriage is a religious issue. I also like the label you and other faggots throw around about being a homophobe if you disagree with them. In all honesty, I really don\'t care what label you put on me, but I thought I would point out the common tactic used by people like you.
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The common tactic you people always throw in the mix always has to do with religion.
There are many religious fags...even though their own religion condemns them.
Funny how there are many agnostic and atheists that get married....
This is about religion b/c the bible told me so...lol
Mind your own fuckin business and let those that want to be happy do so. I don\'t know why it gets under the skin of so many people when it has nothing to do with how they live their lives.
Using the term marriage for them would not change your life one iota.
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If marriage is a religious institution, then why would it not be ok for a Church that believes in gay marriage to marry two gay people?
There were also supposed to be provisions in the way our country was founded to avoid tyranny of the majority, so people\'s rights aren\'t taken away by the most bigoted members of our society based on little but irrational hatred and lack of understanding, or their own misguided feelings or superiority (looking at you Giga). Nice to know you\'ll be passing that ignorant hate to subsequent generations. You are truly the embodiment of what keeps our country from moving forward.
There were times when a majority of people in many states were in favor of slavery as well. Didn\'t make it right.
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Giga is going to be one of those parents that makes damn sure he teaches all the hate he can muster to his children.
Love how you say you aren\'t a homophobe but in the same breath refer to gays as "whiney faggots"
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Homophobe implies that I would be afraid of gays. Quite to the contrary, I do not fear them, I just don\'t like them. Therefore you are incorrect as is the term that is aimed at everyone who doesn\'t like them.
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If marriage is a religious institution, then why would it not be ok for a Church that believes in gay marriage to marry two gay people?
There were also supposed to be provisions in the way our country was founded to avoid tyranny of the majority, so people\'s rights aren\'t taken away by the most bigoted members of our society based on little but irrational hatred and lack of understanding, or their own misguided feelings or superiority (looking at you Giga). Nice to know you\'ll be passing that ignorant hate to subsequent generations. You are truly the embodiment of what keeps our country from moving forward.
There were times when a majority of people in many states were in favor of slavery as well. Didn\'t make it right.
So because I do not like gays or their lifestyle, I am misguided. :rofl: You are an ignorant little prick. Once again, because one does not like them or their lifestyle they are a "bigot". Typical liberal response. The only tyranny I see comes from you and your fellow leftists on here - shouting down anyone who doesn\'t believe in your immoral philosophies and leanings.
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Homophobe implies that I would be afraid of gays. Quite to the contrary, I do not fear them, I just don\'t like them. Therefore you are incorrect as is the term that is aimed at everyone who doesn\'t like them.
You fear them enough that you would make an effort to strip them the right to marry. If you simply just "don\'t like them", you wouldn\'t make such a fuss about giving them the right to marry. You\'re afraid that for some ungodly reason that their ability to marriage will somehow taint the sanctity of marriage, which is simply laughable.
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We\'ll see who history shows to be the ignorant little prick. It\'s amazing how much hate you can spew towards a life style you know so little about, then when someone does the same back, you have the same response. I fully stand by what I said. And how is it tyranny from the leftist side? How is living their life as they want to tyranny? What happened to live and let live? That\'s the thing, they\'re not trying to do a thing to change your life. You\'re trying to control yours with a set of morals that time will quickly prove to be a dying thing. You should live to see that day. I\'ll enjoy the look on your face.
You would have definitely been the person not too long ago who would have been saying "So because I do not like blacks or their lifestyle, I am misguided."
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And yes, when you talk about a group of people using terms like queers in a derisive way and whinny faggots, I don\'t think it\'s even remotely out of line to call you a bigot...not to mention the things you\'ve said in the past.
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wait wait wait...you\'re telling me the southern racist hates gay people?
you gotta be shitting me...
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I mentioned it earlier and no one bit....
What about agnostic and atheists that get married? No one is making a fuss over those people.
Ya know..the whole religious angle thing again....
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I mentioned it earlier and no one bit....
What about agnostic and atheists that get married? No one is making a fuss over those people.
Ya know..the whole religious angle thing again....
i actually started to write a post with that but i went off on a tangent and closed the box
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And yes, when you talk about a group of people using terms like queers in a derisive way and whinny faggots, I don\'t think it\'s even remotely out of line to call you a bigot...not to mention the things you\'ve said in the past.
Kind of hard to be a bigot about something someone willfully chooses to be. If you argue they are born that way then they are defective.
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And yes, when you talk about a group of people using terms like queers in a derisive way and whinny faggots, I don\'t think it\'s even remotely out of line to call you a bigot...not to mention the things you\'ve said in the past.
Kind of hard to be a bigot about something someone willfully chooses to be.
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I just have a hard time understanding why this is such a big deal. I don\'t hate/fear/dislike homosexuals, I nothing them... This is the problem with people in society, you give them an inch and they take a mile. As long as we\'re all treated equally who cares what its called?
God could you harp on a more insignificant subject? That may sound cold, but honestly, I have had it up to here with all the whining coming from the left. You won your election and have complete control of America and your still not happy.
If you don\'t like how things are in this country, GTFO.
/rant
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They do this all the time Kennedy. They want everything their way or else. BTW have you read about the Chrysler dealers that are being closed are almost all from GOP districts? Obama\'s Task Force is apparantly dishing out some revenge...
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B/c the only gays out there are liberal? You two are laughable.
I personally know 2 republican fags....
This is not a party issue no matter how much you want to turn it into one.
BTW..still no response about agnostics/atheists?
Your heads would probably explode if you found a gay atheist couple...lol
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There is such a thing as a liberal Republican you dipshit. AKA Republican In Name Only - RINO. Just ask Arlen Specter.
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First you insult...then you avoid what I asked.
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OK, so some people don\'t want gays to get married because of religion. But most can agree they should have the same rights under a different name.
So, here\'s the answer that satisfies everyone, including separation of church and state believers:
The government can issue a marriage license right now for essentially tax and legal and census purposes. Extend that right to gays and then call every license the same thing. Since we think marriage is a religious thing, then we call it all "civil union". Everyone straight or gay gets a civil union license from the government and they can add to that any amount of religious ceremony that they want to. And then if that civil unioned couple wants to label themselves as married, so be it, that\'s between them and their gods and religious institutions. This would actually make "marriage" MORE of a sacred, religious institution than we pretend it is already.
Personally tho, I\'d be happy letting the gov. hand out "marriage" licenses like it does and extending that service to gay couples because the fact that the gov. has been doing that all along proves "marriage" isn\'t a religious-only institution. Our government isn\'t a church. But, if people want to make a thing about it, call it something else as long as it\'s the same for everyone.
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Kind of hard to be a bigot about something someone willfully chooses to be. If you argue they are born that way then they are defective.
Seriously? I mean, do you listen to yourself?
You\'re so gonna end up that old racist that your grand children are embarrassed to be around, and people say you\'re just too old to know any better. It\'s like you\'re arguing you\'re not a bigot in one breath, then saying something hateful about a group of people in the next. Just unbelievable how selectively you see things.
And for what it\'s worth, PROP 8 CHANGED THINGS AWAY FROM THE MORE LIBERAL WAY. They had marriage rights, then changed it to take them away. How is this an example of the left insisting everything be their way? It\'s the exact opposite. Look, the idea that gay people are able to marry doesn\'t actually affect you AT ALL. It\'s just you forcing your ideals and your morality on everyone. That\'s all it is. If your church wants to choose not to recognize it, fine. That doesn\'t mean no others should be able to.
And seriously, what\'s the problem with a church that does believe gays should be able to marry performing a marriage? I\'m not saying every church should be forced to marry gays. But if one wants to, I don\'t see any reason they shouldn\'t be able to.
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I just have a hard time understanding why this is such a big deal. I don\'t hate/fear/dislike homosexuals, I nothing them... This is the problem with people in society, you give them an inch and they take a mile. As long as we\'re all treated equally who cares what its called?
God could you harp on a more insignificant subject? That may sound cold, but honestly, I have had it up to here with all the whining coming from the left. You won your election and have complete control of America and your still not happy.
If you don\'t like how things are in this country, GTFO.
/rant
i really dont think anyone is harping you. you have your arguement and most people disagree, and thats that.
I think giga calling people faggots is what prolonged this thread. It wouldve ended with you saying there will be an arms race in marriage with people trying to one-up society by marrying a snapping turtle and people disagreeing...but gigas back
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I actually appreciate his company. He brings something different to the table.
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I actually appreciate his company. He brings something different to the table.
If by different you mean racism and general bigotry, then yes, yes he does bring something different to the table.
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Good God! Three pages already?
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i think homos getting married is way more moral than the rampant promiscuity they are known(stereotyped?) for.
part of the back lash is that they are another group of people who gets to celebrate who they are we cant and it can cause some bitterness. there are no "straight white male pride" parades. sometimes i feel like i\'m supposed to be ashamed for being straight white and male
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Good God! Three pages already?
It\'s amazing the things people will whine about.
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i think homos getting married is way more moral than the rampant promiscuity they are known(stereotyped?) for.
part of the back lash is that they are another group of people who gets to celebrate who they are we cant and it can cause some bitterness. there are no "straight white male pride" parades. sometimes i feel like i\'m supposed to be ashamed for being straight white and male
That\'s the price you pay when you are the majority.
White males kill me sometimes. Motherfuckers have a virginia ham under one arm, two bottles of wine under the other, and crying because they have no bread....
I don\'t think many white males realize how good they have had it. Now some are scared and pissed the more they see things slipping away.
It\'s like the guy with a good girl that he neglects...he doesn\'t realize what he has until it is gone.
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It\'s amazing the things people will whine about.
Like you and the term "marriage"
Don\'t be a hypocrite in the same thread homey.
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They do this all the time Kennedy. They want everything their way or else. BTW have you read about the Chrysler dealers that are being closed are almost all from GOP districts? Obama\'s Task Force is apparantly dishing out some revenge...
From what i understand chrysler stated that they were shutting down dealers that were operating the weakest in terms of sales.....you honestly can\'t believe Obama is actually going around closing chrylser dealerships in GOP area\'s do you??...:rofl:
That\'s the price you pay when you are the majority.
White males kill me sometimes. Motherfuckers have a virginia ham under one arm, two bottles of wine under the other, and crying because they have no bread....
I don\'t think many white males realize how good they have had it. Now some are scared and pissed the more they see things slipping away.
It\'s like the guy with a good girl that he neglects...he doesn\'t realize what he has until it is gone.
:applause:
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That\'s the price you pay when you are the majority.
White males kill me sometimes. Motherfuckers have a virginia ham under one arm, two bottles of wine under the other, and crying because they have no bread....
I don\'t think many white males realize how good they have had it. Now some are scared and pissed the more they see things slipping away.
It\'s like the guy with a good girl that he neglects...he doesn\'t realize what he has until it is gone.
what you said right there proves my point. you automatically assume because im a white i had an easy life. you can go fuck yourself with your ham/wine analogy. tell me one positive thing thats happened to me soley because i\'m white. cause you know what being white got us? not a goddamn thing. fuck i dont think i\'ve been more pissed off by ignorance on this board than i am right now. my grandparents spent there lives poor as shit, both my parents spent their childhoods poor as shit. go fuck yourself you ignorant piece of shit
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That\'s the price you pay when you are the majority.
White males kill me sometimes. Motherfuckers have a virginia ham under one arm, two bottles of wine under the other, and crying because they have no bread....
I don\'t think many white males realize how good they have had it. Now some are scared and pissed the more they see things slipping away.
It\'s like the guy with a good girl that he neglects...he doesn\'t realize what he has until it is gone.
Is this post serious?
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While what luckee stated might be seen as offensive, he actually speaks the truth. White folks have honestly had it better than any other ethnic group in america for the last gazillion years...back in the day even the poorest of white folks were treated better than blacks...seriously, black folks were considered less than animals back then.
Today tho, middleclass blacks and whites are moreso on the same level as far as sharing the same type of shared struggles. I always hear people say blacks and minorities have grants that white folks can\'t get. I must\'ve missed the bus on that one,...i\'ve told my story plenty of times of how i grew up in the projects of newark,nj..after high school, i went to a technical IT school, then saved up and moved out to slightly upper middleclass piscataway,nj and then finally purchasing a brand new home in georgia....all by myself WITHOUT gov\'t assisted programs.....not saying that they don\'t exist, but i don\'t think it makes an impact on white folks to the point to where white folks can\'t get a job or assistance for higher education.
Now also in luckee\'s defense, he also states "many" and "some"....he did not say "all white males". After saying all of this, i do feel we have made some great strides as far as race relations are concerned...is there still racial inequality in america?....sure is, but there\'s no denying that race relations have improved for the better in this country,.... just look at the last election....Obama could not have won the election if not for white folks looking past the color barrier and judging him on his merits and on what he wanted to do for the country.
The shock has fallen off some for me, but sometimes when i sit back and think about it...it\'s still hard to believe i would live to see america elect it\'s first black prez...whether or not obama turns out to be a great prez, i think his winning the presidency is a symbol of just how far america has come....and that is something every american....black or white, latino or asian, democrat or republican should be proud of.
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get some (related) humor up in this bitch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
(embedding doesnt work in this forum for some reason)
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If the US was a race course, blacks are getting a head start.
However, their racing team (community, relatives etc) in the pitt are shooting at each other. While the white racer\'s seem to get along and get their driver to the finish line sooner.
Asians? We tend to do quite well. Just less noticeable. We aren\'t called the "invisible" race for nuthin. Check the national poll: Whites, Blacks, Hispanics. :p
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If the US was a race course, blacks are getting a head start.
However, their racing team (community, relatives etc) in the pitt are shooting at each other. While the white racer\'s seem to get along and get their driver to the finish line sooner.
Asians? We tend to do quite well. Just less noticeable. We aren\'t called the "invisible" race for nuthin. Check the national poll: Whites, Blacks, Hispanics. :p
ok there reggie white. you hate them tall midgets too?
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what you said right there proves my point. you automatically assume because im a white i had an easy life. you can go fuck yourself with your ham/wine analogy. tell me one positive thing thats happened to me soley because i\'m white. cause you know what being white got us? not a goddamn thing. fuck i dont think i\'ve been more pissed off by ignorance on this board than i am right now. my grandparents spent there lives poor as shit, both my parents spent their childhoods poor as shit. go fuck yourself you ignorant piece of shit
So imagine just how much harder it would have been if the situation was the same but you were an immigrant or person of color.
Now Im ignorant b/c I state something that is obvious?
I don\'t give a fuck if you like what I said or not. Maybe you shouldn\'t have made a statement about straight white male parades if this shit gets under your skin so easily....
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That\'s the price you pay when you are the minority.
Black males kill me sometimes. Motherfuckers have pork ribs under one arm, two bottles of grape soda under the other, and crying because they have no corn bread....
I don\'t think many black males realize how good they have had it. Now some are scared and pissed the more they see things slipping away to Mexicans.
It\'s like the guy with a good girl that he neglects...he doesn\'t realize what he has until it is gone.
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if this shit gets under your skin so easily....
I think it was you being racist that set him off, actually.
So, how \'bout them gays?
:jacked:
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I think it was you being racist that set him off, actually.
So, how \'bout them gays?
:jacked:
O please explain where the racism is...
BTW..my mother is white.....
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O please explain where the racism is...
Really?
Fine:
White males kill me sometimes. Motherfuckers have a virginia ham under one arm, two bottles of wine under the other, and crying because they have no bread....
Using generalizations in this kind of discussion is pretty much always dick no matter who does it or why. Nevermind that you substituted the word "motherfuckers" for "white males."
Or... how about at least being racist across the board?
Some white males don\'t realize how good they have it. Motherfuckers drive their Porsches and still complain on their iPhones about how some black males stole their other car.
Also, if a white male motherfucker doesn\'t have any bread, let that white male motherfucker whine about not having any bread. Who cares?
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O please explain where the racism is...
BTW..my mother is white.....
Is she a mother fucker?
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You are reaching.
white males and motherfuckers is racist now? lulz
I dont sugar coat anything for anybody.
I hate how black males cannot stick together anymore. motherfuckers got free and said fuck their brothers....
look more racism...lulz
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what you said is a rash generalization that all what males are "haves" who want more
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he also states "many" and "some"....he did not say "all white males".
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You need to update your definition of racism, luckee. Referring generally to all white males as motherfuckers is racist. Grouping them all in one blanket statement like the one I quoted is stereotyping. Putting it all together is being an asshole.
You made a clever metaphor out of it, but it was racist. Later you used words like some and many but after the tone of your opening, it didn\'t really soften the offensiveness of it.
Just, ya know, fyi.
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"White males kill me sometimes."
i\'m trying to find the "some" and "many" in that sentence
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I hate how black males cannot stick together anymore. motherfuckers got free and said fuck their brothers....
Those are racist generalizations, too, if we\'re keeping score.
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"White males kill me sometimes."
i\'m trying to find the "some" and "many" in that sentence
Selective aren\'t we?
Eiksirf... I dont really care if anyone got offended, I not big on being pc.
It is what it is and and it\'s true to an extent. Of course it is not 100% but neither is any other stereotype or generalization.
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The PC police are out in full force.
People need to be able to laugh at themselves more and stop being overly sensitive babies. Bunch of fags.
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*humps Giga*
Figured that was pretty much the only place this thread had left to go.
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It has many more avenues shocky!
We can delve a little deeper into the beastiality kennedy was mentioning on page 1 :D
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It has many more avenues shocky!
We can delve a little deeper into the beastiality kennedy was mentioning on page 1 :D
Remember that SNL sketch where Christopher Walken revealed to a census taker that he was married to a Bobcat? That was awesome.
http://www.truveo.com/Saturday-Night-Live-Census-Taker/id/4097367436 (http://www.truveo.com/Saturday-Night-Live-Census-Taker/id/4097367436)
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When I turned 50 I got a passport to Florida....
This is a novelty card not a passport.....
All I know is when I get to the border I show them and they let me in every time...lol
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beastiality what?
I so called it
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Back on topic
Luckee is a racist
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And in other news....
Bozco is a bitch........
In 8 years I have never said anything racist around here.
Insensitive yes.....but I am not pc
You can pick and choose what you want to call racism, but at least wait until I start using racial slurs instead of reaching for the stars...
And people say coloreds cant wait to throw the race card out there...lulz
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just because your prejudiced against us plain ole whiteys doesn\'t make it any less racist
you don\'t have to be in a minority to be a victim of racism
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And in other news....
Bozco is a bitch........
Awwww
You can pick and choose what you want to call racism, but at least wait until I start using racial slurs instead of reaching for the stars...
Cause we all know it takes a racial slur for an incident to be racist.
And people say coloreds cant wait to throw the race card out there...lulz
Throw the race card? That phrase is used when race is thrown into something that had nothing to do with it. Here\'s another phrase for you, grasping at straws.
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Is it just me, or are Mexicans lazy?
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Can someone please explain why we just don\'t ban Giga? I mean - after all the idiots we\'ve banned, he somehow continues to hang around and spew this crap.
On topic.
Let \'em marry. It\'s a friggin\' word and it doesn\'t effect my lifestyle in the least. If it means that much to them, let \'em do it. Let them be happy and let them get divorced. Shit, it\'s not a big deal.
Then again, I figure it\'s a genetic "disorder" so to speak.And I see no reason to punish someone for that.
12 Homosexual behavior is found in at least 1,500 species of mammal, fish, reptile, bird, and even invertebrate.