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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: 8-P on December 09, 2000, 11:14:18 AM
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Nintendo disserves some love, doesn\'t it? I mean the most basic and non thought out argument that I usually hear why people dislike Nintendo is because it\'s a "Toy" and it is trying to appeal to the younger generation. Well, whatever. I don\'t think that argument stands hard, but in some peoples mind it can\'t be broken. But this isn\'t what the topic is about… well ok; maybe it is a little bit.
Now for everybody that has to have "mature" titles on their system, you can\'t jump to conclusions saying that Nintendo won\'t have them, because right now we don\'t know what is coming out. Lets look at some of the Launch Titles that are Rumored to be coming out for the GAMECUBE! <-- I even like the name.
Now before you all think that I am some kid that has to relay on his Mommy and Daddy for income. I\'m not, I am not going to give you my age, but I will tell you that I am married, have served time in the Military and work at a big computer corporation for over 2 years. So in my opinion, Nintendo focusing on the younger generation is a bunch of crap, that is just the media talking. Anyway, back to the subject.
"Mature" Launch Titles (Rumored)
- Resident Evil: 0
- Metroid
- Perfect Dark 2
- Rouge Squadron
- Eternal Darkness
- Conkers BFD
I am sure that people are going to say that they don\'t like the titles that are coming out or they hate POKEMON (which cannot be used as an argument, because you have Digimon), but all I am saying is that Nintendo does have games for people of all ages. And the media just spit that all "Childish" crap out there and people just ate it up. I think that Nintendo is focusing on everybody, the young and the old.
Even though I do wish that Nintendo had games like GT, they are doing just fine with their new machine in the game Department. I know that this is PS2 forum and I know I am not going to change anybody\'s mind, not trying to do that. Just want everybody to see where I stand. And how I think that when people argue that Nintendo is too childish, it wasn\'t a probably with the SNES or the beginning of the N64. So I don\'t even see it as a real argument, just something that people need to hate Nintendo with.
Thank you and that is all. Go on with your day. :p
And if you guys would like, so you know that I know that Nintendo has it faults, I can list them. But is if you guys really care.
[Edited by 8-P on 12-09-2000 at 03:33 PM]
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You should add Too Human and Thornado to that list, and take off Eternal Drakness and BFD, becuase there most likely still coming out for the N64.
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Originally posted by Underwhelming Force
You should add Too Human and Thornado to that list, and take off Eternal Drakness and BFD, becuase there most likely still coming out for the N64.
Dang it, how could I forget Thornado and Too Human... Thank you UF! And for the other two, I said rumor and it\'s rumored right now that they will goto the NGC so they will stay on the list. But thanks for the other too, I will add them right now.
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Who\'s up for giving Nintendo some love?
No thanks.
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I don\'t LOVE any corporation.
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But it\'s the reputation that leaves the mark! Like bible says; you\'ll have to pay for your fathers sins.
Well, I just hope people will realize that nintendo is not a childish console; not a toy even if it looks like so ( the new GC really does... oh that isn\'t going to help Nintendo! )
Because many people base their decision to buy a console on its reputation. So PS2 will sell like hot bread because PS1 did as well.
Sega has had bad name here ( in Finland ) after Saturn, so it didn\'t sell. Now we\'ll see in about a year will Nintendo get the same fate... N64 didn\'t success so well here.
Just ppl should realize that they should forget the past and think about the future in console-business. nintendo has made mistakes, but its trying to correct them.
BTW this is my 666th post... SPOOKY! ;)
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Originally posted by IronFist
Who\'s up for giving Nintendo some love?
No thanks. [/B]
Come on IronFist, not even a little? You can do it, I won\'t tell anybody. Just admit your true feelings.
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Come on IronFist, not even a little? You can do it, I won\'t tell anybody. Just admit your true feelings.
I have already admited my true feelings in other threads. I am not impressed with what I have seen from Nintendo in the N64 or the NGC. Every time I admit my true feelings I get called a fanboy and other things. I would prefer not to this time.
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8-P, you may quess what was going to happen to this thread.. here just isn\'t anyone who really loves nintendo.
I did love, yes. I was a huge Nintendo fan ( if I\'ve ever been a fan of a certain console, I then was ) when I was little... But I grew up a little.
So, games like Mario etc. didn\'t impress me anymore. Snes was old. But now I think I\'m a retard just because I sold my dear old snes with so many good memories.
I think this is a warm story for all the nintendo fans out there. But this is not Nintendo forum so I quess this is writed in vain. Without success. But I don\'t mind.
I\'m not a nintendo-fanboy anymore. So no bashing, please.
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I loved Nintendo\'s hardware and games... when I was 7 years old that is :p Well long after that too actually. I still enjoy the occasional go of Mario Party with friends or the old Castlevanias on SNES. But... I really don\'t have any love to share for them. It\'s all used up on SmallLady :)
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That is the worst argument I hear with people that dislike Nintendo. "I grew up, I am just to old for it." If that is the only argument that you have against Nintendo, then I guess people are just scrapping the bottom of the barrel to look for things.
I understand why people where upset with the N64, but their were games on the N64 that beat out any PS game. You can call me a liar or a Fanboy or even a kid. I don\'t care, but people have to look deeper then the name of a console. And right now, that is all that is happening. Look at the 8 titles I just named off. Metroid and Eternal Darkness, I know I wouldn\'t let my kids play.
Like I said, I am not trying t convince people to change their minds about the PS2. But half of you people in this forum are too judgemental of Nintendo and to stubborn to admit that they will be coming out with a sweet machine that will cater to everybody.
If you hate Mario because you are too grown up for it, and your not going to buy a NGC because it. Then you will be missing out on someground breaking games that Nintendo always seems to have with thier systems. But if you guys are just too grown up for the machine make sure you keep watching the media to see what else they can tell you to make that machine sound better.
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I\'m a Sega fan and think Sega is the number #1 developer out there. But I look forward to the next incarnation of Mario. The only platformers I can play anymore are Mario and Rayman 2. Is Mario kiddie? Yes - so are all platformers. It\'s the nature of the genre. But the games are damn addictive. Other than that, I\'ve enjoyed Mario Tennis, Rare\'s FPS, and AKI\'s wrestling titles.
I don\'t think you outgrow the games.
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Well, for me growing up meant that Snes -games that I once owned lasted for years. I had imagination. I was little. But now Snes is a little too old.
Oh and N64. I just can\'t stand those pastel colours anymore. Starfox, Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie etc. were for youngsters. For one, they were too easy, for two, they had too "happy" colors. You gotta admit it. This is probably the lamest answer possible, but so it is in my personal experience.
I\'m not saying nintendo is pure cr4p, because it certainly isn\'t! But I\'ve played too many Mario\'s to stand even one more. I\'ve grown old for Mario. I have seen my god-son\'s reaction. He\'s crazy about N64. He likes Yoshis Story, Mario 64, Starfox, Banjo Kazooie etc., but he has completed almost them all!
I hope GC can offer a little more than this.
Sorry 8-p. But nintendo has magic. Towards younger ppl.
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Like bible says; you\'ll have to pay for your fathers sins.
Bah, the bible says a lot of things. St00pid Christianity.
I have already admited my true feelings in other threads. I am not impressed with what I have seen from Nintendo in the N64 or the NGC. Every time I admit my true feelings I get called a fanboy and other things. I would prefer not to this time.
Heh, I remember you used to call NGC "lamepube"... at least you\'ve quit that bullsh!t. Altering of console\'s names; what idiocy.
Many of you don\'t give Nintendo enough respect; you know who you are. I know I\'ll get "You don\'t give PS2 enough respect, either" in return, but oh well. Nintendo is a great company, and while you may dislike N64, Nintendo seems to be doing many things better and differently. Things that, had they done them with N64, this forum wouldn\'t exist right now. :)
I could see you being unimpressed with what Nintendo has shown for NGC as of yet; they haven\'t shown much. What they have shown, in terms of launch titles, we still don\'t know much more than a technical demo and the title of the game and what franchise it follows.
I think many of you will eat your words once E3 comes about, and you see what Nintendo has to offer with NGC. Of course, I may end up eating these words, so perhaps I shouldn\'t speak.
I\'m not saying nintendo is pure cr4p, because it certainly isn\'t! But I\'ve played too many Mario\'s to stand even one more. I\'ve grown old for Mario. I have seen my god-son\'s reaction. He\'s crazy about N64. He likes Yoshis Story, Mario 64, Starfox, Banjo Kazooie etc., but he has completed almost them all!
I hope GC can offer a little more than this.
Very true on the N64. I can see where people are coming from when they say PSX is a more mature console; it does have many more games ranking out of the N64\'s general range. But, judging from what is becomign of the launch (PD2, Metroid, RE:0), I think this may be changing for the better.
Metroid and Eternal Darkness, I know I wouldn\'t let my kids play.
Eternal Darkness? I could most certainly see that. But Metroid... while it will be more of a mature game, I don\'t see how it is that much more violent and such...
We don\'t know much on the game as of yet, though. Of course, judging from the SNES versions of the game, it would be too complex for him anyhow. :)
And about Eternal Darkness... I highly doubt it will end up on NGC.
First and foremost, Silicon Knights hasn\'t made a agme since Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain... most people don\'t know who the hell they are. They need to make a name for themselves beofre NGC\'s release, what better way to do it than release the bloodiest, goriest game ever to grace the N64?
Secondly, Silicon Knights still needs time to finish off Too Human... if they were to bring Eternal Darkness to NGC launch, it wouldn\'t give them enough time to have Too Human ready at the same time. And I think it would be better to have a 4 disc action/RPG at launch than it would be to have a horror-type game, really. Besides, RE:0 already has that genre covered. :)
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Well, for me growing up meant that Snes -games that I once owned lasted for years. I had imagination. I was little. But now Snes is a little too old.
Oh and N64. I just can\'t stand those pastel colours anymore. Starfox, Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie etc. were for youngsters. For one, they were too easy, for two, they had too "happy" colors. You gotta admit it. This is probably the lamest answer possible, but so it is in my personal experience.
I\'m not saying nintendo is pure cr4p, because it certainly isn\'t! But I\'ve played too many Mario\'s to stand even one more. I\'ve grown old for Mario. I have seen my god-son\'s reaction. He\'s crazy about N64. He likes Yoshis Story, Mario 64, Starfox, Banjo Kazooie etc., but he has completed almost them all!
I hope GC can offer a little more than this.
Sorry 8-p. But nintendo has magic. Towards younger ppl.
-Joyda-
Well first let me say that I am sorry that you can\'t go back and play your SNES games because you lack imagination now and you are too grown up for it. You are missing out of some awesome memories. I still go back and play Super Mario Brothers 1-3, Super Mario Land, Zelda, Metroid, and Contra. I mean, even though these are on old systems, they are still fun to pull out once in awhile and start playing again.
There are more games then just Starfox, Mario 64, and Banjo Kazooie. But I understand what you are saying that you don\'t like the colors of those. They are easy, but FUN. But I don\'t have to admit that there are "happy" colors, but it looks like to me all they were doing was just making Mario.
So what you are saying that since your god-son gets excited over the N64 it\'s automatically childish? Oh, I guess that my 23 year-old teacher friend, 28 year-old cop, 32 year-old Army buddy, myself being 25 all like sitting down and playing Mario Kart, well I guess that just makes us childish. But according to you, this should make Nintendo a game machine made for the older generation. Which I know it\'s not, so don\'t need to try and prove me wrong. I know that the games are colorful, but so what. I don\'t understand why people hate color so much. If you hated color so much, just buy a N64 then get a Black & White TV. That should take all the color out of it and maybe you can enjoy the game. Maybe if you turn down the sound and blast NIN, maybe that should take people complaints about the music in it. And turn off your lights to where the TV is at and that should give you a creepy atmosphere. There you go, all problems solved with the N64. Just sit back and enjoy the games.
Eternal Darkness? I could most certainly see that. But Metroid... while it will be more of a mature game, I don\'t see how it is that much more violent and such...
We don\'t know much on the game as of yet, though. Of course, judging from the SNES versions of the game, it would be too complex for him anyhow
-M4-
Well that is just personal opinion. I will play both of them, but I will have to watch what my kids play very closely, when they finally get old enough to play that is. :D
And about Eternal Darkness... I highly doubt it will end up on NGC.
First and foremost, Silicon Knights hasn\'t made a agme since Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain... most people don\'t know who the hell they are. They need to make a name for themselves beofre NGC\'s release, what better way to do it than release the bloodiest, goriest game ever to grace the N64?
Secondly, Silicon Knights still needs time to finish off Too Human... if they were to bring Eternal Darkness to NGC launch, it wouldn\'t give them enough time to have Too Human ready at the same time. And I think it would be better to have a 4 disc action/RPG at launch than it would be to have a horror-type game, really. Besides, RE:0 already has that genre covered.
-M4-
That is just why I said rumored. Because right now it is rumored that it will appear on the NGC. I just said rumored, rumored was the word. I don\'t know if it will show up there or not, but it is rumored. It has been pushed back enough, that by the time that it comes out for the N64, sales might be better for it on the NGC. But it\'s just a rumor.
And like you said, we don\'t know what Silicon Knights is capable of, but we do know why Nintendo brought them on as a second party. For the mean reason to make games that will attract the older generation. Retro isn\'t going to have a game on the N64, they are going to make their release on the NGC, hopefully with Metroid. Even though SK doesn\'t have a name right now, they would be doing alright if they released their first game on the NGC.
And now for the LOVE OF NINTENDO that is growing. Come guys, you know you feel it. You know that you are starting to show more interest towards Nintendo. Ddaryl and IronFist… the bandwagon is getting full, but I will always keep a seat ready for you two when you finally admit that Nintendo is making a comeback.
Don\'t call it a comeback… Nintendo gonna knock you out, Nintendo gonna knock you out.[/I]
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Joyda - the issues you have with pastels and crap on N64 is due to the cartridge limitations. Not much room for texture storage.
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Yes I quess they are. The textures can be beautiful also, but they\'re usually quite shoddy. And I think the colour is quite limited.
Well, maybe I\'m bored out of Snes; maybe that\'s my deal. I played so much my Snes games back then that I could get trough \'em single handedly and my eyes folded. But, I haven\'t said Snes is a bad console. Actually I think it\'s the greatest console of all time.
Oh and you got the wrong idea, 8-p, from my post here. You gotta agree that children love Nintendo 64, and Pokèmon. Do you, 8-p, love pokèmon? I quess you don\'t. But why you don\'t like it? There are things you can\'t explain.
Not all N64 games are childish. But most of them. And they costed MUCH here. So the probs of N64:
-Cartridges
-The price of the games
If those problems would have been fixed, N64 would be one of the top consoles, and still selling well. But it has had the overall -tag of being childish. And that\'s for a reason.
But I\'m sure those smaller problems also are fixed in GC; I\'m glad there isn\'t any cartridges anymore. Cartridges were fine on Snes, but porting to N64 was little too much.
Maybe the worst thing about N64 was the price of the games. They costed.. about... 125 dollars each here!
Don\'t take everything word to word, 8-P. I have wonderful experiences with Nintendo. And who said MarioKart can\'t be fun in 4-player even if childish graphics? I think MarioKart 64 is the most played game in our house.. or then it\'s Super MarioKart... well I don\'t know sure ;)
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The only problems weren\'t the carts and high prices or the pastel colours... It was also the lack of quality games. There were some, but not many. At least in my opinion :) PSX offered me way much more great games at the time. And still does.
Still, for the price of an N64 game you could almost buy a PSX here... :p
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Well Joyda, I have a new respect for you. I doubt you care, but I will actually read your posts knowing you have an openmind.
It was also the lack of quality games.
-Hawke-
Well I am glad that you have your opinion, but I have to disagree on it. Yes PS had more games, but when they came out, chances of them being quality games were slim. Unlike Nintendo, when they finally did come up, you knew that they were going to be worth buying. Just answer me this one question...
Name all the games that "Game of the Year" from 1996 to the present.
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Now, now. Don\'t disagree with Hawke by doing exactly what he did - insulting the quality of games on his console. Remember, the developers make the games; not the console makers.
As far as the PSX, yes it had more crap. Because it was dirt cheap to develop for. The price that you have to pay for the priviledge of having a steady flow of games (many of them good, many of them crap) and for having a lot of niche titles is that you\'ll get lazy developers who churn out crap. Developers couldn\'t turn to N64 for a quick buck; cost too much to make games. Make crap on PSX, and you only need 50,000 sales (out of 40 million users) to make a profit. So don\'t say PSX is crap or has no quality. The PSX had a LOT of quality, AAA games.
I think the PSX had more quality titles across more genres than the N64; but Sony gets no credit from me for that. They had 200+ developers helping them out. Developers willing to take the risk on 40 million US PSX owners. We also got some cool niche titles on PSX. N64\'s ratio of quality was higher because the risk was higher - meaning quality is a REQUIREMENT. But don\'t forget, it had it\'s share of Superman\'s. PSX had more quality titles out of 1000 games than N64 did out of it\'s 300 games. But the N64 did have some masterpieces, because when you\'re limited you have to improve gameplay to make up for it.
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So many consoles, so little time. Since I got my PS2 I don\'t really plan to buy any new consoles. I think in general most gamers only buy 1 console. Only the few really hardcore gamers out there have to have every new console out there. I think Nintendo in the past was just as you said: a toy catering to youngsters but hopefully they have matured along with its audience. I think the x-box, nintendo\'s game cube, and the PS2 will be the fore runners into the future of gaming. Which ever one of the 3 systems you get, I don\'t think you can go wrong. If you wonder why I omitted DC, that is because I don\'t trust nor will i ever trust sega\'s dedication to the consumer. I honestly believe when nintendo, and xbox come on line that sega will once again feel the pressure of the competition and bow out of the hardware business for good and become a full time sofware publisher like they want to. As far a giving Nintendo some love. I wont give the GC love but I will give the Big "N" some love \'cause it is because of them that the console market has been revived and is flourishing to this day.
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Oh and I found one more problem that picked Nintendo 64 back then. It was the lack of 3rd party support.
The only rival console big N had then was Sony with its Playstation. And Playstation had massive 3rd party support ( and has still ). But I think the only thing that drove game-developers away were... the cartridges.
What if N64 would have been CD-based console? It\'d have been a massive success. CD means more space and space means more colours ( the games were large even on cartridges ) and cheaper prices...
But now we see GC. It\'s Nintendo\'s first CD-based console. I think this will get many 3rd party developers jump into it. Now remember EA making games for Snes? It did many. Now N64 had only few EA -games. Think about GC. It will have plenty.
So I\'m seeing GC as new Snes ( the same quality but better graphics/larger games... ); and if things go all right, Nintendo will stand up to a chance and maybe even beat the console war ( but I\'m trying to be open-minded here; but how could I know wich company is eventually going to win the war? ). GBA will be a success; it\'s for sure. Because GBA hasn\'t got any competition ( NeoGeo Pocket vanished from the market ), and if Nintendo makes up great ideas between linked GBA and GC, it\'ll drive many GB fans buy GC...
But we\'ll see that in the future...
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I\'m not about to Nintendo some lovin\'. Infact, I\'m very angry at Nintendo! How dare they release such a sweet console with so many appealing games! Dear God, I\'m gonna be bankrupt when it comes out, because I want so many damn games on it!
NGC = $200
Metroid = $50
Mario = $50
Perfect Dark 2 = $50
Thornado = $50
SSX = $50
Wave Race = $50
Price total = $500 :eek:
Damn you Nintendo! Damn you for taking my love for games advantage by releasing an awesome console with so many killer AAA titles! Damn you for taking my money, then putting me in gaming bliss so I don\'t notice! Damn you to hell! :crying:
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Sorry but 500 bucks is nothing :)
GC is going to be quite cheap console; that\'s good.
But PS2 costed ALONE 600 dollars!
So now I\'m in bankrupt... but happy about it :)
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Wait, wait, throw in a Wavebird (wireless controller) and a memory card.
Wavebird = probably $35
Memory Card = $20
System and games = $500
Subtotal (not including future desired games, or sales tax) = $555
I\'m talking about American currency, buddy. ;) PS2 here in America is $300. So I would estimate that in your currency system, my subtotal would be about $1110 (where do you live? Australia?).
Actually, if I pre-ordered all of these gaming necessities and put down money on it over time, I could pay that $555 in no time. Ahh, October 2001 marks the month of Nintendo sublime.
[Edited by Harry Mason on 12-17-2000 at 12:12 AM]
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Finland actually, Harry :)
Oh boy, it\'s going to cost a lot here :eek:
hehheh...
Merry X-mas :)
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Originally posted by 8-P
Unlike Nintendo, when they finally did come up, you knew that they were going to be worth buying. Just answer me this one question...
Name all the games that "Game of the Year" from 1996 to the present.
Why should I name Zelda OoT and Mario 64 & all that stuff. To me, those weren\'t games of any years. That\'s the majority\'s opinion. I\'d like to point out I am an individual, on which these game didn\'t have much effect. I know those are some of the best games ever made and I have insane respect towards Mr. Miyamoto, but sorry, they didn\'t have much impact on me. Hence I chose the masochist way and went for the machine with wipE\'out" (one bloody aggravating game, but still the most enjoyable one I\'d encountered) :)
And you just told what the problem was "When they finally did come up with something"... The quality games were few and far between, but this was compensated by them being quadruple-A titles. Nintendo and Rare make great games, but the PSX (and now the PS2) offer/ed a wider range of good/great games to enjoy.
And Ktulu, I did not down the quality of Nintendo\'s games, thank you very much, I just don\'t happen to like many games out on the N64. :)
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Originally posted by Hawke
Originally posted by 8-P
Unlike Nintendo, when they finally did come up, you knew that they were going to be worth buying. Just answer me this one question...
Name all the games that "Game of the Year" from 1996 to the present.
Why should I name Zelda OoT and Mario 64 & all that stuff. To me, those weren\'t games of any years. That\'s the majority\'s opinion. I\'d like to point out I am an individual, on which these game didn\'t have much effect. I know those are some of the best games ever made and I have insane respect towards Mr. Miyamoto, but sorry, they didn\'t have much impact on me. Hence I chose the masochist way and went for the machine with wipE\'out" (one bloody aggravating game, but still the most enjoyable one I\'d encountered) :)
And you just told what the problem was "When they finally did come up with something"... The quality games were few and far between, but this was compensated by them being quadruple-A titles. Nintendo and Rare make great games, but the PSX (and now the PS2) offer/ed a wider range of good/great games to enjoy.
And Ktulu, I did not down the quality of Nintendo\'s games, thank you very much, I just don\'t happen to like many games out on the N64. :) [/B]
Thank you Hawke. I love you! :D
That\'s what I think, too. Some people say \'but Nintendo makes the best games ever... etc\' but that\'s opinion. Some people might not like those games much (yes, they do exist). I\'m not saying they aren\'t good games - I\'m just saying that different people have difference opinions. And IMO Mario 64 isn\'t that great.
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I don\'t see why people put so much faith into a full company; it\'s like Rare. Though you may like Goldeneye, that doesn\'t mean that every single Rare game will come out that great; look at Donkey Kong 64.
Of course, this same logic applies to Squaresoft and every other third party just as much as it does Nintendo and their second parties. :)
In other words, what I\'m saying is... being a fan of a company is stupid, they could always screw up with a game. :)
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Originally posted by M4
I don\'t see why people put so much faith into a full company; it\'s like Rare. Though you may like Goldeneye, that doesn\'t mean that every single Rare game will come out that great; look at Donkey Kong 64.
Of course, this same logic applies to Squaresoft and every other third party just as much as it does Nintendo and their second parties. :)
In other words, what I\'m saying is... being a fan of a company is stupid, they could always screw up with a game. :)
Heh, I agree, but not 100 Prosently. Let me say that I\'m not a particular "developer"-fan, I\'m a "game-fan"; so if FFVII is a game I\'ve fallen love into, it doesn\'t mean I\'ve fallen in love with Square. So if I\'m a fan of FFVII, I\'m not a fan of Square.
But this isn\'t always the truth. I like Square\'s games. Quite overally every single one. Expect for Chocobo Racing for PS... So it makes me to wait Square\'s games, even if they\'re not FF\'s. Does that make me a Square fan, does it?
Well, it\'s like a two-way relationship. You give and you get. Both ways. Not a single way.
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being a fan of a company is stupid, they could always screw up with a game
No... being a fan of a CONSOLE MAKER is stupid. Scratch that - ASININE. It\'s about the dumbest thing you can do. Why is being a fan of a Developer stupid? They\'re the ones that make the games. I mean, hell, it\'s like being a Schwarzenegger fan. Sure he\'ll pick some lame movies here and there... but more often than not he\'ll put out stuff you like. Same with Metallica fans. Now and then you\'ll get a dumb song, but for the most part they make the stuff you enjoy. Hell, I could even say it about sports teams. All teams have their off days. The key thing is: being a fan of the person/people THAT MAKE THE PRODUCT. The same is true with developers - they make the product. Being a fan of a developer is no different than being a fan of a sports team, a band, or even an actor.
No, being a fan of a developer is not stupid. Being a fan of a game - that\'s stupid. Look at Twisted Metal 2 versus 3. Being a fan of a console maker, that\'s just inexcusable. Those jackasses have nothing whatsoever to do with games.
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No, being a fan of a developer is not stupid. Being a fan of a game - that\'s stupid. Look at Twisted Metal 2 versus 3. Being a fan of a console maker, that\'s just inexcusable. Those jackasses have nothing whatsoever to do with games.
hmm.....
First off you are not stupid if you are a fan of anything. Seceondly a lot of the stuff you say like being a fan of a console maker is stupid because they hae little to do with games is very stupid. Even Sony has a lot to do with the games that go on it\'s system, and Nintendo & Sega make games them selves.
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Sony just tries to woo the guys who make the games... just like a record label tries to get talent. But they don\'t actually make the games. Same with Sega/Nintendo. They have inhouse developers. People can be such pricks about these consoles. "Dreamcast will die", "XBox will kill PS2", "Gamecube will be all kiddy" blah blah blah. Console fans suck because they are the ones draining the fun out of gaming.
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Why should I name Zelda OoT and Mario 64 & all that stuff. To me, those weren\'t games of any years.
-Hawke-
I\'m just saying that different people have difference opinions.
-Samwise-
That is fine that you guys don’t like it. But not to sound like a ****, but your opinion doesn’t matter when it comes to deciding the [/b]Game of the Year[/b]. The awards are picked by a certain group of people and these groups of people are supposed to know a lot about video games. It’s their opinions that counts, not ours. When it comes to awards, everything is an opinion. Like or not. To stray away from the gaming examples, but staying in the entertainment field. I don’t think that Shakespeare in Love should have gotten Best Picture, I think the award should have gone to Saving Private Ryan. But like I said, my opinion doesn’t count either. No matter how you look at it Mario, Zelda, & GoldenEye all got these awards.
being a fan of a company is stupid
-M4-
No... being a fan of a CONSOLE MAKER is stupid.
-Ktulu-
I guess if that is how you want to look at it, that’s fine. But like some other said, it’s not stupid. Right now Sony is depending on their fans to make the PS2 the best selling machine out of all the next generation machines. I guess that is just stupid of Sony right?
Like Ktulu said, it’s the same as sports. I mean, who here likes sports? If you do, do you have a favorite team? I do, I guess I am just ruining the game because I am routing for one specific team to make it to the World Cup, Super Bowl, Championship, etc… It doesn’t matter if my team fails me, I will still route for them every time they play.
In my opinion, Nintendo makes a dependable machine and makes awesome games. So why would I waste my hard earned money on a machine that isn’t going to be dependable? And Nintendo are developers of games, so I got a company that makes a good machine and good games. So call me a fan all you want. But I am not stupid for spending my money wisely.
Who here is going to buy all 4 machines? I know that you will get the most out of the gaming experience, but what is the point of competition if everybody did that? Everybody has a favorite of something.
Being a fan of a console maker, that\'s just inexcusable. Those jackasses have nothing whatsoever to do with games.
Console fans suck because they are the ones draining the fun out of gaming.
-Ktulu-
I don’t know if you have ever heard of Zelda & Mario. Or how about their creator Miyamoto? I am trying to think of who makes these games and who Miyamoto works for, oh… that’s right Nintendo. So I guess Nintendo has a lot to do with the games that are on the market.
I don’t believe you actually think like this. Console fans are what make this market do so well. Competition is what is all about. It is what makes the world turn. Actually I know it isn’t, it’s just a saying.
There is my two cents. I am out of here until you guys tear me apart. Later… and Joyda, keep up the good posting.
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In my opinion, Nintendo makes a dependable machine and makes awesome games. So why would I waste my hard earned money on a machine that isn’t going to be dependable? And Nintendo are developers of games, so I got a company that makes a good machine and good games. So call me a fan all you want. But I am not stupid for spending my money wisely.
Well said :-P.That is exactly how I feel too.I know I will be satsfied with whatever they put out because I\'ve always have been.Some say the N64 was a disapointment,well I never did.Even though Nintendo lacked some developers,I still managed to buy 15 games(basically from first and second parties only)and be extremely satisfied with each one. There is no doubt in my mind that I will be satisfied with NGC.Its supposed to be a lot better than the N64 was, and I liked N64.How could I not love NGC when I\'ll my favorite game will have 100 times more space then last generation??? \'Nuff said about that.
Mature" Launch Titles (Rumored)
Resident Evil: 0
Metroid
Perfect Dark 2
Rouge Squadron
Too Human
Thornado
Wave Race 2
SSX:SE
Ive updated your list.Its quite impressive,isn\'t it?
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Ah, yes. Scratch out "game maker" and put in "console maker", and my point will be somewhat better put.
Ah, screw my whole premise, I was tired or soemthign when I said that...
or just bored...
I\'ll put what I meant in more... comprehensible :) terms later... :)
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Originally posted by 8-P
That is fine that you guys don’t like it. But not to sound like a ****, but your opinion doesn’t matter when it comes to deciding the Game of the Year[/b]. The awards are picked by a certain group of people and these groups of people are supposed to know a lot about video games. It’s their opinions that counts, not ours. When it comes to awards, everything is an opinion. Like or not. To stray away from the gaming examples, but staying in the entertainment field. I don’t think that Shakespeare in Love should have gotten Best Picture, I think the award should have gone to Saving Private Ryan. But like I said, my opinion doesn’t count either. No matter how you look at it Mario, Zelda, & GoldenEye all got these awards.
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*amused*
Yes, it is all about opinions, and previously, we were talking about personal opinions and blarblarblar. It is the fact that people have different opinions that makes your rants utterly invalid. In my life, it\'s my opinions that count. Game of the year awards are worthless, reviews are worthless too, everything, but the genuine enjoyment one can get from a game. This "board of people that know a crapload of videogames" has no effect on my life whatsoever. The feeling of superiority when completing a perfect race in wipE\'out"... that is what matters. Leave us alone and let us play the games we like, thank you very much :)
Oh yeah... and what the hell was that "blinded by the Sony light" supposed to mean? Sheesh... this is getting silly :)
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I\'m a fan of Miyamato and Nintendo the developers. But I\'m really sick and tired of these damn wars. Like I said, they are sucking the fun out of gaming. Pure, plain, and simple. When I see Nintendo vs Sony vs Sega vs Microsoft arguments (all of which are asinine), I see NOTHING about the developers. NOTHING about Miyamato. NOTHING about Suzuki; NOTHING about Kojima. And if somebody does happen to mention Miyamato, one of the other console fan jackasses just responds with "oh, his games are just kiddy". Nice, real nice. Mention Kojima\'s latest, and you get a lame ass "Metal Gear\'s poly counts aren\'t high enough; the colors are bland" (bland on a warship - gee, go figure). Then they get back to their stupid little polygon and megahertz arguments.
Consoles suck. They are the great evil that are dividing gamers. GAMERS. I love games, but I can only discuss certain titles in certain forums. For gods sake, we are split because of these hunks of trash. If I want to discuss Mario Tennis, I have to go to a Nintendo forum. Otherwise I get some jackass console fan telling me that it\'s kiddy, it\'s blurry, it\'s washed out, and that my N64 is outdated. WTF? And god forbid I start talking about Madden around a Sega crowd. It\'s bullsh**. GAMERS who can\'t discuss GAMES made by DEVELOPERS unless we\'re in the "proper forum". Console fans suck, and console makers do NOT deserve that kind of loyalty and adoration. It\'s the developers that capture our hearts and imaginations. Console makers only purpose is to split gamers into little cults that bicker with one another. I despise consoles because of the monsters they create.
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I believe Nintendo revolutionized the video game industry and they do deserve some respect. If it hadn\'t of been for the NES I dont think things would be the way they are today. At least not for me anyway. The NES was my first glimpse of video games and I fell in love. The SNES was the best of its time too (I had the Genesis during that time) But the N64 left me kind of disappointed. Games are so few and far between. There are great games out there, dont get me wrong, I still play Goldeneye, but there are so many better games for PSX (I bought 2 playstations after I got my N64). I\'m still looking forward to the GC, I will have to look at it when it is closer to launch. I really dont see me picking it up at launch though.
Also did anyone else have trouble with their N64 controlers, or was it just me. All 5 of mine are completely destroyed now. The joystick\'s have all been worn down. They are just cheap in my experience.
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Good sentence, Hawke. It wraps the whole console-war.
"In MY Life my OPINIONS count"
This is exactly the truth. 100 Prosent truth.
Human nature is a complex thing. Deciding can be hard. Sometimes we all need a little backup. But eventually we\'ll have to make our own OPINION; this means a DECISION. Whether is it buying, voting, selecting, eating; anything! Life is full of little decisions.
These days I ignore all flame-wars and console-wars. They don\'t count. It\'s you who count.
But I\'m wasting space and time now because i\'ve said this all before.
Repeating... Sorry
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Obviously you guys took that a little bit more to heart then I wanted it to go. It was said that Zelda, Mario, and Goldeneye weren\'t that great to somebody. Fine, your opinion counts all right people. But all I am saying is that those games got Game of the Year and you guys can think anything you want about them, but your opinion doesn\'t matter here. Those games already got Game of the Year, so you can hate those games, but it\'s not going to change anything. It\'s always going to be on paper that these games were the best of the times. Reviews, Previews, & Awards might suck, but a lot of people read them and take their advice. I am not saying that you opinion doesn\'t matter ever. Jeez, settle down. Talking about people being super sensitive. All I was trying to point out that even though Nintendo didn\'t come out with a TON of games, they came out with quality games.
I am not trying to start a FLAME WAR is am just trying to figure out why so many people have such hatred towards Nintendo. My little comment about Blinded by the Sony Light... was just to see if anybody paid attention to my topic header. I guess somebody did, and I apologize for the little comment.
console makers do NOT deserve that kind of loyalty and adoration. It\'s the developers that capture our hearts and imaginations.
-Ktulu-
I am sorry you feel like that. It\'s not loyalty for me; it\'s the quality of the machine. And I feel that Nintendo is making a machine that I know I can depend on. I just had a really bad experience with the original PS and I don\'t feel like spending all of that money on a machine that will break down on me. But that was my personal experience. And until I know for a fact the Sony has decided to put a little more effort into their machines, I will stick with the console that has given me a good track record.
Couldn\'t agree with you more the developers comment, it\'s true. But you need a machine to run those games on and it will never happen that there will just be one machine, for the main reason that it\'s against the law. But I have seen the same things with games that you are describing with console fans. I have seen people just flat out worship developing companies. No matter how bad a game might be, Square, Rare, EA, Konami, Capcom, etc… And I have seen it happen with games, FF is one example. No matter how you look at it, you are always going to have fans of something, let it be Consoles, Companies, or Games. It\'s always going to happen.