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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: GmanJoe on October 09, 2009, 02:31:30 PM
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He just started as president? Is it coz he\'s not white?
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Yup,...you know dem white folks are war mongers...:fro:..seriously...Do i think it\'s bit premature?..yeah...i get that he\'s trying to go in a totally different direction than the previous administration...(let\'s face it everybody hated bush and his foreign policies), but i think he\'s has to prove himself a bit, maybe by getting some small accomplishments between israel and the pals...or maybe broker a small deal with iran...i think people are just mostly impressed with the way he reached out to everybody in terms of working out our dis-agreements.
It\'s a breath of fresh air from bush\'s my way or the highway policies....he\'s off to a good start in that regard, but i do think he still needs to prove himself a bit, and it\'s still waay early so he has plenty of time..he\'s already set the wheels in motion by reaching out.
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He was nominated 2 weeks after he became President. I thought the Nobel Peace Prize was supposed to be free of political gifting and such. This cheapens the award.
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Well, he did start talks with the Russian on reducing the numbers of nuclear weapons in the world. But it is premature...
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The nobel people had their reasons and it\'s their award to give. If they think he inspired a nation to hope and helped bring about a return to global diplomacy, then he gets the prize, I guess...
Too bad he didn\'t win it the week before he tried to get the U.S. the Olympics. That could\'ve been good leverage, heh.
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It\'s just like Cornel West said last Friday. The Nobel Committee gave this award to Obama to put some polite, but very considerable pressure on him.
By giving him such an important award not for things he has already done, but for things they are hoping he will do, they putting him on notice that he must follow through on his promises and commitments to promote peace in the world. I agree with this completely.
If you get the Nobel Peace Prize, then you go out and invade another country for no reason like Bush did, then you\'ve got a problem.
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Obama wants to increase the numbers of Americans in Afghanistan. The most controversial provision of the Patriot Act is extended. Bush legacy continues.
There have been a few years where Nobel Peace Prize was not given out since no one was able to live up to its merit. And yet....Obama gets one.
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Obama wants to increase the numbers of Americans in Afghanistan.
The decision has not been made yet.
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The decision has not been made yet.
It would be a wise choice. Sorry, Cored.
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Obama has already ordered 20,000 more troops shortly after he has taken office.....and the generals in the field will almost always want more troops. As of his recent dilema, i do think he needs to listen to the guys that are on the front lines of this thing, at the same time, he has to take realistic look at this thing and say, can we really stabilize this region and is it worth more american lives.
Seriously,..we\'ve been at it for 8 years now and there has really been no improvements over there,..and within the 8 years, you mean to tell me that these guys are not ready to handle this s**t on their own?....he stated that he did not want to send more troops over there if there is not a clear stratedgy for victory or for what can be seen as some form of stabilization.
I think if we pull out they will have no choice but to defend themselves,...maybe not with conventional weapons, but sheeit, maybe they\'ll fight fire with fire...as in strappin\' a bomb to themselves and running head first into the taliban or al=queada(spel) strongholds....:fro:
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Wow clips.. That plan is almost retarded. Actually that would offend retarded people to call that comment retarded.
Let\'s allow them to create a country where militants can train and organize. That\'s awesome..
Personally I\'d just take that nobel peace prize, strap it to a fucking bomb and blow that shit hole up.
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The decision has not been made yet.
Um, it\'s been made...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/13/obama-authorizes-troops-afghanistan/
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Wow clips.. That plan is almost retarded. Actually that would offend retarded people to call that comment retarded.
Let\'s allow them to create a country where militants can train and organize. That\'s awesome..
Personally I\'d just take that nobel peace prize, strap it to a fucking bomb and blow that shit hole up.
Uhm...newsflash...they are already training and organizing folks over there...my whole thing is that we cannot sustain this thing for years on end, without the afghanastan gov\'t steppin\' up to the plate....previously we were spending 10 billion a month in iraq and currently we\'re spending around 5 billion in afghanastan.
I don\'t think we\'ll be ever able to defeat them since they(taliban/ al queada) are not a country or a conventional army..at most we can only keep them at bay,...you take out a small group of followers and over a dozen more are created to take their place....there was some sarcasm in my last post, as i know that we truly can\'t just up & leave that place, but i don\'t think we need to be there forever either.
I think 8 years is more than enough time for the afghan gov\'t to get their s**t together.
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So the nobel peace prize isn\'t what it used to be, you don\'t even have to do anything to be awarded the damn thing.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703746604574464083239280914.html
This is an award for not being George W. Bush. This is an award for not making the world nervous. This is an award for sharing the basic political sentiments and assumptions of the members of the committee. It is for what Barack Obama may do, not what he has done. He hasn\'t done anything.
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The WSJ opinion writer thinks they gave him the award for despite having done nothing. The people who gave the award, however, say they gave it for what he has done. Who would know better?
OSLO (AP) — One judge noted with surprise that President Barack Obama "didn\'t look particularly happy" at being named the Nobel Peace Prize laureate. Another marveled at how critics could be so patronizing.
In a rare public defense of a process normally shrouded in secrecy, four of the Nobel jury\'s five judges spoke out this week about a selection they said was both merited and unanimous.
To those who say a Nobel is too much too soon in Obama\'s young presidency, "We simply disagree ... He got the prize for what he has done," committee chairman Thorbjorn Jagland told The Associated Press by telephone from Strasbourg, France, where he was attending meetings of the Council of Europe.
Jagland singled out Obama\'s efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe.
"All these things have contributed to — I wouldn\'t say a safer world — but a world with less tension," he said.
For nine-year Nobel committee veteran Inger-Marie Ytterhorn, Obama\'s demeanor spoke volumes when he first acknowledged the award during a news conference Friday on the lawn of the White House Rose Garden.
"I looked at his face when he was on TV and confirmed that he would receive the prize and would come to Norway, and he didn\'t look particularly happy," she told the AP by telephone.
"Obama has a lot of problems internally in the United States and they seem to be increasing. Unemployment, health care reform: They are a problem for him," she said.
She acknowledged there was a risk the prize might backfire on Obama by raising expectations even higher and giving ammunition to his critics. "It might hamper him," Ytterhorn said, because it could distract from domestic issues.
Still, she added: "Whenever we award the peace prize, there is normally a big debate about it" so the Obama controversy was not unexpected.
It was unusual, however, for the Nobel jury to speak out so candidly about their selection.
Even the most seasoned Nobel watchers were surprised by Obama\'s Nobel — they hadn\'t expected the U.S. president, who took office barely two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline, to be seriously considered until at least next year.
Jagland said that was never an issue for the Nobel committee, which followed the guidelines set forth by Alfred Nobel, the Swedish industrialist and inventor of dynamite who established the prize in his 1895 will.
"Alfred Nobel wrote that the prize should go to the person who has contributed most to the development of peace in the previous year," Jagland said. "Who has done more for that than Barack Obama?"
Aagot Valle, a left-wing Norwegian politician who joined the Nobel panel this year, also dismissed suggestions that Obama was undeserving of the honor.
"Don\'t you think that comments like that patronize Obama? Where do these people come from?" Valle said from the coastal city of Bergen. "Well, of course, all arguments have to be considered seriously. I\'m not afraid of a debate on the Peace Prize decision. That\'s fine."
World leaders have reacted positively to Obama\'s Nobel in most cases, the committee said, with much of the criticism coming from the media and Obama\'s political rivals.
"I take note of it. My response is only the judgment of the committee, which was unanimous," Jagland said.
In announcing the award Friday, the committee, whose members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament, applauded the change in global mood brought by Obama\'s calls for peace and cooperation. They also praised his pledges to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, ease U.S. conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthen the U.S. role in combating climate change.
The White House declined comment on the Nobel judge\'s latest statements.
However, Obama expressed surprise and humility at Friday\'s news conference, saying the prize should be considered not a "recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations."
Nobel Peace Prize selections have often been surrounded by fierce debate. Controversial awards include the 1994 prize shared by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli leaders Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin for Mideast peace efforts, as well as the joint prize to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and North Vietnamese negotiator Le Duc Tho for a 1973 cease-fire agreement. The Vietnam War continued for two more years.
So the Nobel jury "expected that there would be a discussion" about Obama\'s award, said Kaci Kullman Five, a former Conservative Party parliamentarian and longtime Nobel committee member.
Valle said the criticism shouldn\'t overshadow important issues raised by Obama\'s Nobel.
"Of course I expected disagreement and debate on ... giving him the prize," she said. "But what I want now is that we seriously raise a discussion regarding nuclear disarmament."
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I think another Nobel Prize winner said Obama hasn\'t done squat and didn\'t deserve it. Can\'t remember her name. She won it in the 80s.
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So an award just for trying? What is this, peewee baseball?
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So an award just for trying? What is this, peewee baseball?
Really? Because I don\'t think that\'s what they said. I\'ll make it more concise just to be sure. (Not defending the award, just pointing out that they had reasons for giving it out, and they aren\'t "thanks for trying!"
"We simply disagree ... He got the prize for what he has done," committee chairman Thorbjorn Jagland told The Associated Press
Jagland singled out Obama\'s efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe.
"Alfred Nobel wrote that the prize should go to the person who has contributed most to the development of peace in the previous year," Jagland said. "Who has done more for that than Barack Obama?"
In announcing the award Friday, the committee, whose members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament, applauded the change in global mood brought by Obama\'s calls for peace and cooperation. They also praised his pledges to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, ease U.S. conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthen the U.S. role in combating climate change.
Oh wait, here it is...
"We think it\'s been cute watching him try," Jagland said. "So we gave him an award. If he continues to show a positive attitude, we might even present him with the Nobel Peace Sticker. Presidents love to wear them on the back of their hands."
Sorry, you were right.
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"efforts to heal the divide"
Did he heal the divide? Nope, but he tried.
"the prize should go to the person who has contributed most to the development of peace in the previous year"
O RLY? Does this sound like a person who\'s brought peace and unity to his own country, much less others?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWzL2R-YzQM&feature=player_embedded
The good news: The “socialist mop” line made me laugh. The bad news: He’ll be telling us it’s the other party\'s mess that he’s cleaning up until, oh, 2015 or so at the earliest.
Sounds like someone is laying on the blame.
just my .02
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Jesus Christ buddy make up your mind, do you want help or not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifjRVLVjzA&feature=player_embedded (predates other video by 2 months)