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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Animal Mother on December 12, 2000, 07:59:25 PM
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It looks like I\'ll get an Xbox. It\'s not looking to good for PS2. EA is going 3 ways. Xbox, Gamecube and Ps2. It is clear that EA will shift their exclusive focus to Xbox. Ps2 will probably come in 2nd this console war. I am wating for Xlaunch! (I\'m so corny)
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*dies of a heart attack*
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You? Mister. Anti MS? Swallowed your pride?!? Nah, just kidding. The Xbox is very likely going to dominate and its set to be a great console. I\'m excited about it.
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I can\'t believe I\'m saying this but.......
I\'M GETTING A X-BOX, AND I SUPPORT MS NOW.
I\'M SO EXCITED.....
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For the first time ever....I\'m speechless.
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It\' doesn\'t mean I\'m not supporting Sony either I support both parties now.
It\'s a wait and see approach.....Sony may surprise us...
It\'s a toss up now.
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I don\'t understand it. What games will XBox have? Why are you ignoring the Gamecube? We still don\'t know enough about XBox and Gamecube. Sheesh - every time I turn around, I see someone else reading their crystal ball. Sega and Nintendo will just go out of business will Sony/Microsoft get 100 million sales apiece.
This DESPITE the XBox being unknown to casual gamers. Despite the XBox having no exclusive, recognizable franchises (other than the Sony hand-me-downs). Casual gamers don\'t wait for systems. They buy it when they can afford it - the little critters get so goldarn excited. They don\'t know diddly jack about XBox or Gamecube. You wanna tell millions of people to "just wait" this holiday season? If you\'re not willing to do that, then you need to realize that both the PS2 and Dreamcast will have millions of users by the time XBox gets here.
Let me summarize all the posts:
"Say - who do you think will win the next console war?"
"Well, whoever is the most powerful, of course!"
This frustration you\'re going through with PS2\'s small library will happen again when the XBox launches (are specs finalized yet? how \'bout the launch list?) and when Gamecube launches. It also happened with the Dreamcast. People get a system at launch, poop themselves with excitement, buy the 4 games they wanted... and run home giggling like school girls. Then, after 2 weeks, they\'re bored with their new launch system because they\'ve beaten the games (they only have 4!). It happens with every launch.
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I will be getting an X-Box, on launch if I have any money, or maybe not, we\'ll have to see :)
I am also getting:
PS2
GC
rereleased Game Gear
Game Boy Color (never got one, now that DW3 is gonna be on it, gotta get it!)
Game Boy Advance
maybe Indrema.
I dont know bout the last one, I have many systems that never got over 50 games, but I dont know if this one will even have 20 games for it :)
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Ktulu
I don\'t understand it. What games will XBox have? Why are you ignoring the Gamecube? We still don\'t know enough about XBox and Gamecube. Sheesh - every time I turn around, I see someone else reading their crystal ball. Sega and Nintendo will just go out of business will Sony/Microsoft get 100 million sales apiece.
This DESPITE the XBox being unknown to casual gamers. Despite the XBox having no exclusive, recognizable franchises (other than the Sony hand-me-downs). Casual gamers don\'t wait for systems. They buy it when they can afford it - the little critters get so goldarn excited. They don\'t know diddly jack about XBox or Gamecube. You wanna tell millions of people to "just wait" this holiday season? If you\'re not willing to do that, then you need to realize that both the PS2 and Dreamcast will have millions of users by the time XBox gets here.
Let me summarize all the posts:
"Say - who do you think will win the next console war?"
"Well, whoever is the most powerful, of course!"
This frustration you\'re going through with PS2\'s small library will happen again when the XBox launches (are specs finalized yet? how \'bout the launch list?) and when Gamecube launches. It also happened with the Dreamcast. People get a system at launch, poop themselves with excitement, buy the 4 games they wanted... and run home giggling like school girls. Then, after 2 weeks, they\'re bored with their new launch system because they\'ve beaten the games (they only have 4!). It happens with every launch.
Everyone listen to this man...........I\'m not buying a damn X-Box, he\'s right about this. This is just PS2 as a baby now, it hasn\'t grown up yet.
Thanks man for making me realize this, before I make the biggest mistake buying the X-Box.
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Originally posted by Playstation2_Rulz
Originally posted by Ktulu
I don\'t understand it. What games will XBox have? Why are you ignoring the Gamecube? We still don\'t know enough about XBox and Gamecube. Sheesh - every time I turn around, I see someone else reading their crystal ball. Sega and Nintendo will just go out of business will Sony/Microsoft get 100 million sales apiece.
This DESPITE the XBox being unknown to casual gamers. Despite the XBox having no exclusive, recognizable franchises (other than the Sony hand-me-downs). Casual gamers don\'t wait for systems. They buy it when they can afford it - the little critters get so goldarn excited. They don\'t know diddly jack about XBox or Gamecube. You wanna tell millions of people to "just wait" this holiday season? If you\'re not willing to do that, then you need to realize that both the PS2 and Dreamcast will have millions of users by the time XBox gets here.
Let me summarize all the posts:
"Say - who do you think will win the next console war?"
"Well, whoever is the most powerful, of course!"
This frustration you\'re going through with PS2\'s small library will happen again when the XBox launches (are specs finalized yet? how \'bout the launch list?) and when Gamecube launches. It also happened with the Dreamcast. People get a system at launch, poop themselves with excitement, buy the 4 games they wanted... and run home giggling like school girls. Then, after 2 weeks, they\'re bored with their new launch system because they\'ve beaten the games (they only have 4!). It happens with every launch.
Everyone listen to this man...........I\'m not buying a damn X-Box, he\'s right about this. This is just PS2 as a baby now, it hasn\'t grown up yet.
Thanks man for making me realize this, before I make the biggest mistake buying the X-Box. [/B]
Here is the problem with that logic. The Xbox is starting the same as Sony. No franchises. Its not a PS2 hand me down or what not though. Really though, the Xbox is set to do what Sony did 5 years ago. Its not a mistake to buy one. Wait and see? Thats smart. Rush and buy one? Premature, but I\'ll do it, because I believe MS has a hit console on their hands.
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I ignore Nintendo because I know that even if they screw up again and only grab a hand full of 3rd party devs and only release kidie-teen (MickyMouse-PD) I will still buy the NGC for Miyamoto and Rare.
Ktulu: Oddworld, Halo (both very recognizable), New Legends and Yager come to mind as exclusives. Plus we havent even hit GameStock and E3 yet where MS will actually show the games they have going on. Have you seen the X-Isle demo? Imagine playing that on a fixed platform with FSAA, Bumo Mapping, PerPixel lighting and full hardware support for cubemapping!
No. No one should feel bad about buying a PS2. They are not going to get GT3 anywhere else (looking so sweet BTW!) and if square stays exclusive then anyone with a hardcore gamer inside would have to buy one at some point anyway. :)
But the point is: Why not get excited? It is a very cool console with alot of smart, creative people behind it. I know this is starting to sound a bit trite but it is a great time for gamers.
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damn - talk about some of you people are easily swayed.
Ome Minute you hate the xbox and then you love and chersih it like your own child.
All i will say is that i will buy whatever i can afford at the time because i love games not consoles.
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bah. d*mn x-box.
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Originally posted by animal_mother1
It looks like I\'ll get an Xbox. It\'s not looking to good for PS2. EA is going 3 ways. Xbox, Gamecube and Ps2. It is clear that EA will shift their exclusive focus to Xbox. Ps2 will probably come in 2nd this console war. I am wating for Xlaunch! (I\'m so corny)
Why is it clear EA will shift its focuus to Xbox. ?????
Boy talk about paranoid delusions, EA has alot in development for the PS2 over the next 2 years
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The tide is turning. I\'m getting an X-box... it has a 95% chance of being very bad ass. I\'m keeping the PS2 too... but there\'s going to be great games for both.
Question: A game comes out on both X-box and PS2. You own both consoles. All else being equal... WHICH VERSION WOULD YOU BUY???
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Shawn: Reviews help there. No ports are ever equal. :)
DDaryl: 500 dev kits is a pretty major investment (around five million). That is not the actions of a company planning on making ports.
Edit: I am sorry about the pro Xbox posts. I will stop tonight... its all just very exciting.
[Edited by ho3j on 12-13-2000 at 12:49 AM]
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Originally posted by ho3j
Shawn: Reviews help there. No ports are ever equal. :)
DDaryl: 500 dev kits is a pretty major investment (around five million). That is not the actions of a company planning on making ports.
Edit: I am sorry about the pro Xbox posts. I will stop tonight... its all just very exciting.
[Edited by ho3j on 12-13-2000 at 12:49 AM]
ANd EA probably has at least that many PS2 dev kits as well.
Sorry, but by the time Xbox release next year SOny will have close to or more than 12 million consoles in the marekt and a price drop for Christmas and a ton of killer apps to help sell the system. EA supports all succesful platforms, they supported Nintendo and SOny last round and will support Xbox, GC and the PS2 as well.
You guys read to much into this stuff get all bent out of shape and get all weird with your posts,
relax already
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Yikes, talk about freaking out. Some of you who hate MS are going to buy one cause of EA? I mean, I think the Xbox will rule, but come on. Your expecting a bit much of EA. They\'re supporting the GC also. So, is it that big of a deal? No. I mean, yeah, some of you didn\'t expect this. But, I think most of us did. They will do what they do each generation. Port over the franchises.
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:rolleyes:
Look, EA has developed for the N64. They have always, always developed for mulitiple platforms. Even Madden 2001 has a version on the N64. Good one at that from what I have heard. Didn\'t make the PS2 version any worse. Also, while Sony doesn\'t have many exclusives like Nintendo or Sega, they have some impressive ones coming down the pipe. Gran Turismo anyone? Lets not forget, Wipeout, Getaway, Extermination, whatever Naughty Dog has ups it sleve (exclusive here), and though not up to the standards of other companies right now (not to mention, they only just started having making these recently...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...), Sony\'s own RPGs. So, while a X-Box might be in my future, its not changing my PS2 purchase plans anytime soon.
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Here is the problem with that logic. The Xbox is starting the same as Sony. No franchises. Its not a PS2 hand me down or what not though. Really though, the Xbox is set to do what Sony did 5 years ago. Its not a mistake to buy one. Wait and see? Thats smart. Rush and buy one? Premature, but I\'ll do it, because I believe MS has a hit console on their hands.
The point made is that the X-Box is NOT in the same position Sony was 5 years ago simply because the competition is greater. If Sony released a system based on cartridges, a target audience of 8 year olds, a delayed launch until 2002 and the Dreamcast was 600 dollars, then maybe, just MAYBE the X-Box would be in the same position as Sony 5 years ago. Until I see that happening, the X-Box is in for the fight of the millenium (at least the first 5 years anyways).
Also, I must agree, you people are too easily swayed by developers just announcing their support of a console. Capcom said they would support the DC, the PS2, AND the X-Box, yet no one is burning bridges about their purchases because of them and they EASILY have franchises equal to or greater than what EA has ever done. Yet, now that EA is supporting all platforms (cept say sega), you all got your panties in a wad. Explain the logic here, madden 2002 on X-Box, Gamecube, and PS2 and the reasoning behind buying an X-Box is because of madden 2002... ummm... wtf?! If all consoles feature the same game, what makes the game that much more worth the purchase of a console? NOTHING! However, since EA does not support Sega, what makes Sega worth buying? Simple question... Visual Concepts, which I think makes games that EASILY rivals the quality of the Madden or other sports series. Sure, Dreamcast isn\'t the powerhouse the PS2 is, but NFL2K1 was and is equally just as good, if not better, thanks to online play and GREAT gameplay.
You people have to consider many more things before wasting that hard earned cash ona specific piece of hardware. Don\' ask yourself WHY you want a console, but ask yourself why you DON\'T want a different one. If you\'re gonna buy em all (like myself), more power to you, but to ultimately, A FULL YEAR EARLY, make a decision that will cast away roughly 250+ dollars without fully knowing about the product is absolutely ludicrous, dumb, idiotic... there aren\'t enough words to describe it right now. Sure, that may be just my opinion concerning your hard earned cash, but at least the opinion I spew about what you buy is educated enough to tell you to consider all options before forking over that final payment.
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I will also be getting one along with a GC. Trust me, I\'\'ll have the money.
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point made is that the X-Box is NOT in the same position Sony was 5 years ago simply because the competition is greater. If Sony released a system based on cartridges, a target audience of 8 year olds, a delayed launch until 2002 and the Dreamcast was 600 dollars, then maybe, just MAYBE the X-Box would be in the same position as Sony 5 years ago. Until I see that happening, the X-Box is in for the fight of the millenium (at least the first 5 years anyways).
Ryu, your wealth of intelligence astounds me. THANK YOU! Microsoft is NOT Sony 5 years ago. Sony competed with two bumbling idiots.
As far as exclusive titles - somebody mentioned Oddworld and Halo. Please, tell me the sales numbers for the PSX version of the Oddworld titles. Oh yes: "Not" and "that many". It\'s a beautiful title, and I can\'t wait to play it... but I\'m talking casuals here. They don\'t know diddly about it. It\'s fine for US to wait - but casual gamers WILL NOT. They know nothing of XBox. They know nothing of Oddworld and Halo. In 8 months, I\'m sure the XBox will have some impressive exclusives - but casuals won\'t hear about those until the thing launches.
Don\'t predict victory based off of a bunch of hardcores in a forum. Or based off of power. If games mattered, the Dreamcast would be at 8 million users by now. If power mattered, the Gameboy would\'ve died long ago - same with PSX. Do NOT predict victory because you can NOT predict the casuals. Microsoft dominate? Unlike Sony last gen, Microsoft actually has some heavy competition - and the idiots are giving the competition a headstart!
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The true battle is actually between X-Box and GC, the other is between PS2 and DC. Otherwise, the crossroads haven\'t met yet.
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You guys are right. I am still VERY VERY anti Microsoft (I don\'t like being like a braindead consumer) All the Xbox has is a few Ps2 hand me downs, and a few other games from companies that MS bought... EA will develop for Gamecube also, and I am hearing rumors that they will port SSX to Dreamcast, Xbox, and Gamecube. EA will fully support Gamecube to. But it is clear that their main focus is Ps2. Sony knows how to deal with these companies. I\'ll get a Xbox if it doesn\'t have lots of Ps2 games I ALREADY HAVE. WHO CARES ABOUT SHARPER IMAGE, ECT. EA hasn\'t even announced any titles.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Originally posted by animal_mother1
It looks like I\'ll get an Xbox. It\'s not looking to good for PS2. EA is going 3 ways. Xbox, Gamecube and Ps2. It is clear that EA will shift their exclusive focus to Xbox. Ps2 will probably come in 2nd this console war. I am wating for Xlaunch! (I\'m so corny)
Why is it clear EA will shift its focuus to Xbox. ?????
Boy talk about paranoid delusions, EA has alot in development for the PS2 over the next 2 years [/B]
That\'s a good question ddaryl. I also wouldn\'t jump to that conclusion. However, you have to look at the facts. 1. EA is a member of the Xbox Advisory Board (XAB)...that means they helped design the console. 2. EA has ordered 500 XDK\'s and are devoting 200 developers to work on the Xbox. 3. They will provide 10 games for the Xbox launch...that\'s from day one! The XDK\'s EA are ordering are $10,000 a piece. That\'s $50 million that EA is devoting to the Xbox launch. I\'m not one to speculate, my friend, but if this isn\'t a shift of focus, I don\'t know what the hell is. You have to admit that Sony hurt EA with it\'s botched PS2 launch. Now EA is seriously bleeding cash from this. I don\'t want to start anything, but who do you believe EA is supporting more from the above facts?
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I think that you need to re-think this stuff, I was once like you. PS2 still is going strong, their have tons of more parties than X-box and it might join up with time-warner and AOL. I\'m not saying Sony will win or X-box will win, I\'m saying they still have more time to say either will rule.
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Allow me to quote South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut:
(Saddam Hussein voice) RELAX GUY! (/Saddam Hussein voice)
I\'ll reserve my final thoughs (damn, I sound like Jerry Springer now) on both GC and Xbox untill there a couple of months away - or perhaps even better yet - after they launch. If they\'re good, then I\'ll buy them. I don\'t care how - I just know I\'ll get the money.
That\'s a good question ddaryl. I also wouldn\'t jump to that conclusion. However, you have to look at the facts. 1. EA is a member of the Xbox Advisory Board (XAB)...that means they helped design the console. 2. EA has ordered 500 XDK\'s and are devoting 200 developers to work on the Xbox. 3. They will provide 10 games for the Xbox launch...that\'s from day one! The XDK\'s EA are ordering are $10,000 a piece. That\'s $50 million that EA is devoting to the Xbox launch. I\'m not one to speculate, my friend, but if this isn\'t a shift of focus, I don\'t know what the hell is. You have to admit that Sony hurt EA with it\'s botched PS2 launch. Now EA is seriously bleeding cash from this. I don\'t want to start anything, but who do you believe EA is supporting more from the above facts?
Um... Your logic is a bit flawed here. Let me see... EA uses $50 million on dev. kits. Then they develop 10 games for DAY ONE? Where are the money in that? What, you magicly expect Xbox to sell 50 million units @ launch? If not then EA will have a helluva hard time getting 10 games to sell well... I think I\'ll just wait and see how everything goes before declaring any winners/loosers in this \'game\'. I suggest ya\'ll do that too.
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You know Sam, you really need to think before you post. Because I wasn\'t declaring any winners, my friend. There you go again jumping to goddam conclusions. Read my post again...I was trying to convince Ddaryl that EA is serious about developing for Xbox because they spent $5 million dollars (I made a mistake when I put $50 million--10,000 X 500, duh!) on XDK\'s. Even you have to agree that spending that much money on 500 XDK\'s, EA means business. Did I say who was going to win or lose? Ddaryl insinuated that EA wasn\'t serious about Xbox development, and I disagreed with that. I didn\'t mention **** about PS2\'s success. By your insisting that I did shows that you\'re worried about the overrated DVD player\'s success.
Now that I think about it, don\'t even bother re-reading my post because you aren\'t going to find anything to bitch about this time!
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It is a planned 10 titles in the 6 month launch window.
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what is indrema?
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Indrema is a system that is Linux based that is reportedly coming out in March 2001. No developers or games have been mentioned, has less of a chance of surviving then the X-Box.
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Ryu, your right and I\'ve said that in previous posts. Sony was up against the Saturn, with development problems, and Nintendo\'s bad choice of format and delays. Not to mention Sega rushed the Saturn out, almost like an after thought, with their suprise launch. So, Sony had it easy. They don\'t have it easy this time, and are facing stiff competion. But, can the Xbox re-do what Sony did? That is, become a company known for games, without any previous console. I think MS can. I plan on buying all the consoles, including the Indreama.:) Actually, I\'m more excited about the Indreama then any other console.
But are people making too big of a deal out of EA developing for Xbox? Yep. It doesn\'t affect if Square will develop. And EA is a third party developer, that does this every generation of consoles. Its certainly good news for the Xbox, but its also not that shocking.
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Im not gettin a Xbox..
The PS2 has all the good games FF series, Bouncer, GT3, ZOE, MGS2 ect. ect.
The next 5 years will be sweet (for us PS2 owners)! Until PS3 comes.. hehe :D
/FASTson
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Originally posted by ReverendXbox
You know Sam, you really need to think before you post. Because I wasn\'t declaring any winners, my friend. There you go again jumping to goddam conclusions. Read my post again...I was trying to convince Ddaryl that EA is serious about developing for Xbox because they spent $5 million dollars (I made a mistake when I put $50 million--10,000 X 500, duh!) on XDK\'s. Even you have to agree that spending that much money on 500 XDK\'s, EA means business. Did I say who was going to win or lose? Ddaryl insinuated that EA wasn\'t serious about Xbox development, and I disagreed with that. I didn\'t mention **** about PS2\'s success. By your insisting that I did shows that you\'re worried about the overrated DVD player\'s success.
Now that I think about it, don\'t even bother re-reading my post because you aren\'t going to find anything to bitch about this time!
You know Reverend, you need to relax before you post. :rolleyes:
I made a mistake with the $50 million (because I just believed you without researching/thinking - my mistake). The point I was trying to make was that:
You said that Sony made EA bleed money. Then it was said that EA would have 10 games ready for launch. All I did was questioning the money logic in that. So I think it seems like YOU are the worried one, my friend. I don\'t doubt that EA is commited to developing for the Xbox. All I did was questioning the money logic AT THE BEGINNING! Because it won\'t magically sell like 50 million units so EA can get all their money back from great sales from all 10 titles (if that\'s indeed true...). Of course later on they\'ll make money of the Xbox. As they will on PS2.
Then lastly I stated something about winners and loosers. That was NOT directly pointed at you Rev, so stop bitching about it. I don\'t have anything against Xbox, I just try to keep my head calm - at least until there are more hard facts (like at E3). You should try it sometime.
BTW, try re-reading my post again. Carefully this time. Now read your reply. I think you\'re just reading a little bit too much into it. Don\'t misinterpret my post on purpose Rev. I didn\'t say that YOU said anything about \'the overrated DVD-player\'. I didn\'t say EA wasn\'t commited to Xbox. So read it again - slowly - and you\'ll find that all your bitching was useless BS spawned by an obviously worried and/or insecure individual. Feel free to flame me again Rev, because you were wrong. :)
[Edited by Samwise on 12-14-2000 at 02:59 AM]
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Look! A pure example of getting the wrong impression of a post and attacking an argument that was never there. I was not insinuating that EA would make up what they lost from the PS2 by making Xbox games (although they could in that 6 months time period). I was STATING HOW MICROSOFT HAS THE FULL SUPPORT OF EA! I\'m not going to argue with you on something that was never an issue in the first place.
P.S. I have nothing to worry about my friend. I have a Dreamcast and after E3 I will decide whether to invest in an Xbox. It\'s win-win for me. I can play the best games out right now while checking out the best that the future has to offer. If by some weird occurance that PS2\'s showing at E3 outdoes the Xbox (shyeeah right!), then I\'ll break down and buy a PS2. Either way, I won\'t blow $300 on a system that will go belly up. If only the rest of you didn\'t jump on the bandwagon prematurely.
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If only they didn\'t jump on the bandwagon prematurely?
Reverend, they bought the followup for the PSX. They enjoyed Wipeout, Madden, Tekken, Ace Combat, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, ALL that crap that Sony had. So, they simply bought the next one. Bandwagon? No. They just wanted their favorite games in 128bit glory. Same with Gamecube fans getting excited about the next Mario, Metriod, Perfect Dark. But what about the XBox fans? Why are we not accusing them of jumping the bandwagon prematurely? XBox fans are purely about power - that is it. Power of unfinalized specs. Not too mention the unfinalized launch list (some of us buy systems for the games, not the power... we wait for confirmed game lists). Yes, someday it will be an amazing machine. But when you start staunchly supporting it and attacking other consoles in it\'s behalf - ONE YEAR before it launches, then you are one hell of a bandwagoner.
. If by some weird occurance that PS2\'s showing at E3 outdoes the Xbox (shyeeah right!),
WHY WOULDN\'T IT??!? They\'ve got more developers than XBox does right now. Yes, that could change. But it just irks me when people spit on developers to spite the console. You have no idea what those developers have up their sleeve. PS2 has more developers, PS2 has more recognition in the industry, and their developers have had more time with the dev kits (dev kits which are finalized and have been finalized). What makes you so certain that it\'s not possible that they\'ll have an impressive E3? Didja notice Sega at last years E3? Again, developers had more experience and more time with their dev kits. If anything, XBox is at a disadvantage. Plus we don\'t know what Gamecube will have.
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Originally posted by ReverendXbox
Look! A pure example of getting the wrong impression of a post and attacking an argument that was never there.
Yeah, you surely know all about that... Geez.
I was not insinuating that EA would make up what they lost from the PS2 by making Xbox games (although they could in that 6 months time period).
I wasn\'t either. I was just commenting on \'how Sony made EA bleed money\' by stating a thought on how they perhaps wouldn\'t make money of Xbox right away either. It was just my opinion. So if it makes you feel better, then please tell yourself that.
I\'m not going to argue with you on something that was never an issue in the first place. [/B]
Likewise.
P.S. I have nothing to worry about my friend. I have a Dreamcast and after E3 I will decide whether to invest in an Xbox. It\'s win-win for me. I can play the best games out right now while checking out the best that the future has to offer. [/B]
Yeah, I feel the same way. I like the Sony games. And I enjoy my PS2. Just like I\'ll probably enjoy the Xbox too. So I\'ll be enjoying myself while waiting for the Xbox.
[Edited by Samwise on 12-14-2000 at 12:34 PM]
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ok you win...i quit
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Quitter! All those PSX games that made people who had PSone go with PS2? None of them belong to Sony! Who will do the best at E3? More than likely Nintendo or MS. Sony would have to have some big suprises to outdue 2 impending console launches. I don\'t think they will. They\'ve screwed up enough things so far, that I\'m positive they won\'t be the \'winner\' without some big changes.
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Originally posted by fastson
Im not gettin a Xbox..
The PS2 has all the good games FF series, Bouncer, GT3, ZOE, MGS2 ect. ect.
The next 5 years will be sweet (for us PS2 owners)! Until PS3 comes.. hehe :D
/FASTson
You go girl! Or boy! Or whatever you are!
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Originally posted by EThugg
Quitter! All those PSX games that made people who had PSone go with PS2? None of them belong to Sony! Who will do the best at E3? More than likely Nintendo or MS. Sony would have to have some big suprises to outdue 2 impending console launches. I don\'t think they will. They\'ve screwed up enough things so far, that I\'m positive they won\'t be the \'winner\' without some big changes.
Hmm, well actually theres this little thing that turned out to be a massively popular driving game/simulator called "Gran Turismo" But then again, who would buy such a stupid game? Millions of people? Bah, thats nothing!
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Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
Originally posted by EThugg
Quitter! All those PSX games that made people who had PSone go with PS2? None of them belong to Sony! Who will do the best at E3? More than likely Nintendo or MS. Sony would have to have some big suprises to outdue 2 impending console launches. I don\'t think they will. They\'ve screwed up enough things so far, that I\'m positive they won\'t be the \'winner\' without some big changes.
Hmm, well actually theres this little thing that turned out to be a massively popular driving game/simulator called "Gran Turismo" But then again, who would buy such a stupid game? Millions of people? Bah, thats nothing! [/B]
OOOOHHHHHHH....a racing game! I bet MS is shaking in its boots! :D :D That\'s no reason to buy a system. Anyone who\'d buy a $300 game system for one racing franchise should be shot. And that\'s not a joke.
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ETHUGG
There a ton of cool games coming out from SOny for the PS2
Wipeout Fusion
GT3
Dark Cloud
Twisted Metal Black
Dropship
The Getaway
Extermination
Ape Escape
SYphon Filter 3
Formula 1 game
and there\'s more I\'m just having a brain fart
Then we will see a ton of 3rd party games that have been in development for well over a year
Not to mention SOny 2nd party studios Naughty Dog and Insomniac which will more then likely have some cool stuff to show off.
Sony is poised to have a huge E3. And I believe Nintendo and MS will have some stuff too, but Sony will just have so much more ready to go
[Edited by ddaryl on 12-15-2000 at 01:09 AM]
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Well, I don\'t deny those are highly anticipated, but only 2 of those are remotely interesting to me. I think systems that launch after E3 usually do better at E3 than the rest because of the excitment. The reason PS2 had a ****ty E3 showing this year is they had nothing new, and the system wasn\'t lining up to the hype. While I think most systems don\'t live up to the hype, MS and Nintendo haven\'t shown off much of their stuff yet, so they\'ll have to have a good showing unless their games are ****. Sony will have to have some big things to outshine 2 game lauches next year.
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maybe only 2 interest you but at least 4 interst me and I\'m sure alot of others. Also there will be a ton of 3rd party games we haven\'t seen yet and Sony 2nd party games, just like it was thr DC\'s 2nd E3 this year and they had a very good E3, but Sega launch E3 wasn\'t spectacular either.
and as for Christmas 2002, no doubt in my mind its SOny\'s a price drop and a huge catalog of games will entice alot of gamers and primarily PSX owners. but its all opinion
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I guess I should be shot. I would (almost) buy a PS2 for Gran Turismo 3. But also because there are so many other great games I\'m looking forward to. :)
[Edited by Samwise on 12-15-2000 at 02:56 AM]
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Sam-I said anyone who\'d buy it just for a racing game. You obviously don\'t fall into that category.
ddaryl-Yea, I was kinda loosing my train of thought on that E3 stuff, but I think by 2002, rumors will be flying about Sega\'s next system, and, unless developers get of their lazy asses and take advantage of PS2, XB\'s and GC\'s second gen titles will be as spetacular. If things go right, XB\'s, (and GC\'s) launch games will look as good as PS2\'s 2nd gen titles. Why? PS2\'s absurd learning curve. My attitude is if those lazy **** developers let Saturn die instead of bothering to learn it, why should PS2 get a chance? There\'s nothing special about Sony. Let them flounder the way you (developers) let Saturn flounder. ....I\'m gettin\' all worked up, so I\'ll end my post now.
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if those lazy **** developers let Saturn die instead of bothering to learn it, why should PS2 get a chance? There\'s nothing special about Sony
Couple of things. First of all, the developers didn\'t let the Saturn die - Sega did. Sega dropped support. The Saturn barely had 100,000 users after 6 months, and it took 3 years to reach one million users. Yet it still received ports of popular PSX games like Wipeout and Resident Evil. Developers were working it - despite the iddy biddy userbase.
Secondly, why should PS2 get a chance? Because it\'s the Playstation 2. Because the Playstation 1 had over 80 million people worldwide. Because it is the most anticipated console this generation amongst casual gamers. There\'s a huge difference between PS2 and Saturn. Many consoles have been difficult to develop for, but still supported. Saturn\'s support died because Sega walked away, and because the userbase was tiny (thanks to a $400 price tag and poor marketing/retailer relations).
Regarding E3: PS2 has 300 developers. It has been out in Japan since, what, March? By E3, the system will have been on shelves a year. Developers will have spent almost 2 years with finalized development kits and will be more familiar with them. 300 developers. Two years experience in their development environment. Are you honestly going to tell me that the XBox - which has 150 developers and NO finalized dev kits/specs - will have a superior E3 showing? XBox is at an unfair advantage, just like PS2 was against Sega last year. I\'m not saying that Sony will own E3, I just don\'t understand the logic of an unfinalized console having a better display than one with 300 experienced development teams.