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Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Biohazard on December 13, 2000, 08:56:32 AM
I see all the people jumping from sony to xbox will the psx2 still get SilentHill2 and MGS2 and other games. I just don\'t want to be stick with a pricy paperweight Ps. i\'m not a sony fanboy i\'m just scard about my systems not get the games that i wanted so badley
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: mm on December 13, 2000, 09:00:50 AM
no worries.  sony will still get those games.  these companies arent stupid, they will NOT abandon sony.  everyone knows full well, that the xbox will NEVER match the user base of the ps2.  NEVER.  

mm
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: AlteredBeast on December 13, 2000, 10:05:38 AM
You really believe that mm? I mean really? Because of this little pecking away at Sony\'s core may one day make X-Box userbase higher than Sony\'s. In fact, I believe it WILL happen. They already have over 150 developers and have just signed on EA, who have said if it is a successs, they will be concentrating their efforts more of that console. Who knows, maybe Square and Konami will give future X-Box titles full exclusitivity as they did for Sony. We will actually have to see on this one.

You wont use your PS2 as a paperweight because those games are stil coming out on PS2, first even. Also, their are others still coming out, ones that youare excited over, that will never be on X-Box, GT3, for example.

Eric Jacob
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: THE EYE on December 13, 2000, 10:16:54 AM
It´s nothing to "believe" in... it´s fact !
The PLAYSTATION is the most popular Console on the market and the X-Box will not top that.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Ktulu on December 13, 2000, 10:37:23 AM
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the xbox will NEVER match the user base of the ps2. NEVER


I believe that too.  Sony got that userbase when they had no competition.  It\'s like buying stock when it bottoms out.  The only way XBox will capture a small part of it is if 1) Sony alienates some of it (ie their own version of 32X/Sega CD) or 2) the market grows.  The market may grow, but the PSX went unchallenged.  Which means it\'s franchises went unchallenged.  You guys may know XBox has more power and is a breeze to develop for, but casual gamers (and the bulk of the Sony userbase) only know "Sony" and "Playstation".  It\'s like the NES - Sega was able to capture some of it\'s casuals thanks to sports titles and a headstart (not too mention the fact that arcades were still big then - advantage Sega).  How would the Genesis have fared against the SNES if it had released a full year later?
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: fastson on December 13, 2000, 11:20:50 AM
Gooo mm.

Mm\'s right.. (as allways) :D

/FASTson
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: CRUCIALL on December 13, 2000, 11:22:41 AM
*sigh* I can\'t believe how scared people are getting over this game war thing. Sony will not abandon the PS2...nor will Xbox over come it. Have you forgotten that PS 1 totally DESTROYED the N64, and that was Sony\'s first crack at gaming. The N64 was faaarr superior to the PS but still more people went for Sony. Most everday people won\'t even know what an Xbox is...so they will just turn back around in their lazyboy and finish playing MGS2. And third party companies aren\' stupid....I think they like MONEY. And besides that at the price of a new whole computer...in my opinion the Xbox is the one that\'s going to be a pricey paper wieght.
Title: *sigh*
Post by: Samwise on December 13, 2000, 12:29:36 PM
I want GT3. So I want PS2.
I want Halo. So I want Xbox.
I want (insert cool title here). So I want NGC.

Buy them all. In the end the competition means better games.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Mr. Kennedy on December 13, 2000, 04:36:46 PM
I don\'t think we have to worry about X-Box being the hawk and swooping up all the PS2 developers.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: on December 13, 2000, 04:50:40 PM
Buy all of them.  it\'s only $300 a machine.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: ho3j on December 13, 2000, 05:00:41 PM
Or just buy one.  Everyone from Saturn owners to PS owners had classics come their way.  The PS2 has some really cool games in the pipeline so I really can\'t find a reason to be worried.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: AjT004 on December 13, 2000, 05:01:35 PM
My personal feelings on the matter are that I think the reason EA is going to XBox is probably the same as last generation.  EA is ALWAYS multi-platform.  I never expected them to be exclusive to only PS2.  EA isn\'t like that.  I thought from the day they announced EA \'has interest in the XBox\' I thought they\'d totally develop for them.

As for the XBox.  I think this machine will be the best in hardware.  I\'m afraid people we must concede and realize it will be more powerful then the PS2, heck it better be more powerful, coming out nearly 2 years after the PS2\'s launch in Japan.  They have everything already built into the system so evey develper will probably use the modem and Hard Drive capabilities.  Graphics will be more detailed and most likely sharper.  I\'m still wondering how much better the added effects like rain, lighting, water, etc. effects are going to compare to the EE in the PS2 (That was what Sony spent so much money on...making it have great effects.  just wish developers would take more advantage of it.

Now the question is games.  We know PS2 is getting a lot, but how many is XBox getting?  With already over 150 announced developers you can expect a lot.  Sure that\'s only around half of the PS2\'s over 300 developers but that\'s a good start for just entering the console world.  Now that\'s a ton more then the Gamecube has and more than likely Nintendo will delay the system\'s launch and XBox will be released beforehand.  I think GC has like 30 known developers.  Fortunately they have strong 1st and 2nd party support .

Well, in conclusion I think that the XBox could quite possibly take over the gaming world as the best system, or come to a close second.  What I\'m definitely sure about is PS2 will be in 1st or 2nd place at the end of this gaming race.  I also personally would like to see the XBodx take over because it really is going to throw out some great games if the right developers go to it.  Ease of programming.  I think the only thing that can kill the PS2 is its difficulty in programming, and if XBox starts getting more of a userbase and more developers others might jump ship and go right for the ease of XBox developing.

Heck, Square could finally pull off the type of graphics in a game how they want w/o any troublesome programming.  I think Squaresoft will definitely bring their FF franchise to the XBox.  

PS2 is still gonna have all the games.  So for the next few years it\'s going to be my top system.  And it will stay that way unless XBox does something about it.  I really don\'t see the Gamecube as going to be a very strong contender.  Definitely in the kids market because that\'s their strong point (I don\'t want to hear any crap from GC die-hard fans either because it\'s true that most of Nintendo\'s business comes from the kids that play Pokemon).  That is my reason for leaving it out of most of the argument.  hey, I could end up totally wrong but this is just the way I look at things.

Go PS2 and hopefully the XBox will rock!!!
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Trintius on December 13, 2000, 05:08:17 PM
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Originally posted by mm,
no worries. sony will still get those games. these companies arent stupid, they will NOT abandon sony. everyone knows full well, that the xbox will NEVER match the user base of the ps2. NEVER.


Yes Sony\'s massive userbase, that incidently still hasn\'t matched the userbase of Majora\'s Mask LOL :D

 
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Caspian on December 13, 2000, 05:22:05 PM
Dont bring up Square in a developer argument.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: AjT004 on December 13, 2000, 05:24:27 PM
sorry...
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Nplayer-2 on December 13, 2000, 05:27:18 PM
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Originally posted by Trintius
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Originally posted by mm,
no worries. sony will still get those games. these companies arent stupid, they will NOT abandon sony. everyone knows full well, that the xbox will NEVER match the user base of the ps2. NEVER.


Yes Sony\'s massive userbase, that incidently still hasn\'t matched the userbase of Majora\'s Mask LOL :D

  [/B]


the SHORTAGE of PS2 is what made EA go to xbox...when the **** will sony get it\'s act together? after sega hits 5million? after nintendo hits 1million at launch? or after xbox?...

sony really ****ed up and i\'m man enough to admit it...

:mad:
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Mr. Kennedy on December 13, 2000, 05:31:41 PM
finally the truth speaks out!
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: SonyFan on December 13, 2000, 05:36:04 PM
"Yes Sony\'s massive userbase, that incidently still hasn\'t matched the userbase of Majora\'s Mask LOL"

Trin, how can you expect anyone to take that comment even slightly seriously. You compaire a $60 game for a system that\'s been out nearly five years now to a $300 dollar hardware unit that\'s just been launched. Did even ONE neuron in your brain fire as you typed that post??? Good god.. that\'s like bashing Ford because their new model of Mustang isn\'t selling as fast as an in-dash CD player.

For someone who whines and bitches about Sony supporters falling into the hype, you sure seem to have let all those "Link Slays the PS2" articals go to your head.

Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: dbv23 on December 13, 2000, 08:46:33 PM
While I love my PS2, you gotta admit it\'d probably be better for the industry if a different company took the number one spot (Just to keep all the companys pushing themselves and innovating more).  How ever, I wish the likely candidate was someone other than Microsoft. If they get control of this industry who knows what would happen.  I guess you could say the same about a big corporation like sony, but something about Billy just makes my skin crawl.  Anyways, I\'ll just wait and see and keep faith in the gaming industry in that it won\'t let one company take control for to long cause it\'s done a pretty good job so far.(You all gotta admit, the XBOX is sounding damn apealing.)
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: StAnZo on December 14, 2000, 12:44:38 AM
Youv\'e got to take into consideration that people are very fasion consious these days
and that he PS2 is a highly sought after peice of kit. most people think that it\'s cool
to have a PS2 at the moment, i believe that this is down to the fact that most people cant
find any in the stores. do you remember bragging to your mates that you got this or that 1st?, i can
and if you didn\'t feel jammy about doing this once in a while you would be a liar.
everybody has this feeling deep inside, its just our animal instincts. a friend of mine is a
taxi driver and a lot of people that he pick up are saying that he\'s a lucky b@s^$rd to have one,
so this actually proves my point. People do want the PS2 and sony\'s main advantage is that it\'s
backward compatible. I think that this will shift millions of units on it\'s own merits. Sony do have their heads screwed on, how long have they
been in the electronics industry?. also everything they make r produce seems to be a success.
think back to the walkman and so on. I\'m not knocking the Xbox or GC or anyother machine. i just feel that there are people out there questioning sony\'s ability
to see a product through it\'s life cycle.
Sony have worked hard on this baby, dont be fooled!
Title: dfhdfh
Post by: on December 14, 2000, 01:46:32 AM
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also everything they make r produce seems to be a success.


GO BETAMAX GO!!!!
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: jeepnrocks on December 14, 2000, 03:16:45 AM
There is a simple reason why Sony will not be beaten by microsoft in this console battle. Now I am not saying that they will blow microsoft into oblivion either. But the fact of the matter is that Sony is one of the most trusted names in home electronics if not the single most. Parents and non - polygon counting adults see Sony and they associate the name with hi - tech, hi - quality products. Also among the young demographic sony is the considered the coolest or most recognized name next to nike. Microsoft on the otherhand is well known for buggy software and monopolistic practices.
Will X - box be better than PS2 ? Maybe
Will X - box sell reasonably well ? Probably
Will X - box win this console war ? Not a chance
  I think the generation after this one is going to be tight though, especially if x- box proves to be a decent system.  But when I think of getting a new system here is how I look at it. Well I\'ll get the PS3 and then I\'ll see what the other guys have out and see if I want their system also. This is how alot of people see things, the Playstation brand name is a given with quality, value and great games. If Sony delivers in this generation, it will be very hard for anyone to call them a fluke, and they will become like a nintendo on steroids. They will chug along making blockbuster title after blockbuster title (3rd party supported as well) with very little worry from the outside compettition. Sony made video games cool and everyone remembers that. The older guys I work with whom all have playstation don\'t know squat about aliasing or polygon pushing, all they know is that syphon filter rules, or mgs is almost like playing a real live movie. So to me and so many others the choice was simple..PS2 and if i have some extra coin maybe i\'ll get a gamecube too... and if i have a little more extra coin i\'ll pick up an x-box.  Everyone should also keep in mind that Sony had learned alot from this launch and the PS3 launch should be far far better. Also if Sony sticks with the current architecture and just uses a more powerful chip in the next system, the developers will be talking about how simple the ps3 is to program for and how much they love it.
Damn I am rambling but oh well this is a forum. I also think this is the generation where Sony equals the playing field with nintendo on must have first party games. With Dark cloud, Syphon filter, Extermination, The Getaway, and GT3 all on the way Sony is forging a must have 1st party lineup that rivals nintendo, only this one is for all ages not just kiddies (not ripping those kiddie games cause im 27 and i love em too)
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Ryu on December 14, 2000, 03:42:07 AM
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the SHORTAGE of PS2 is what made EA go to xbox...when the **** will sony get it\'s act together? after sega hits 5million? after nintendo hits 1million at launch? or after xbox?...

sony really ****ed up and i\'m man enough to admit it...


Oh bull****.  You think a shortage will make developers unhappy especially since Sony is meeting their projections of sales all over the world?  It\'ll have the opposite effect as in, EA will see the sell outs everywhere, say "oh my god, look how our games are selling systems and are generally being bought with each system sold" and progressively piss their pants at what geniuses they are.  Also, are you retarded?  What made you think that EA would NOT develop for other consoles?  What you think cuz they dump Sega, they are going to stick with Sony only for the rest of their companies existance?  Please, put down the crackpipe.  EA was going to develop for all the next gen consoles, cept say sega, and that is a fact.  To be gullible enough to fall into your own delusion of that particular third party\'s exclusitivity is just idiotic.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Biohazard on December 14, 2000, 08:12:55 AM
Thanks to everyone that read a posted stuff. sence reading mm and others posts i can sort of take a breather and calm down.:D
Title: Pure Speculation
Post by: ReverendXbox on December 14, 2000, 08:53:12 AM
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Will X - box be better than PS2 ? Maybe
Will X - box sell reasonably well ? Probably
Will X - box win this console war ? Not a chance


Are you a seer in practice?  Quite bold of you, chap.  However, this is the way I see it.

Finally, hey MM, how in the hell could you say that Xbox won\'t beat PS2?  I was surprised to read something from someone as level-headed and unbiased as yourself.  Being the man that I am, I assumed that you were being facetious or sarcastic.  Please don\'t let me down like that, man.  If you were serious, I\'ve come to expect you to back up such a bold statement with some reasonable facts (read: not "PS2 will win because Sony sold 80 million PSX\'s!" --that doesn\'t mean anything).  I expect stuff like this from the others on the forum, but not yourself (you being a MOD and all).  Say it ain\'t so, MM, say it ain\'t so! :D  


Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: mm on December 14, 2000, 09:51:52 AM
no reverand.  YOURE the one that concerned about whos gonna beat who.  i merely said the xbox WILL NOT sell more units than ps2\'s.  you cant argue this.  ill have one, thats a given.  i NEVER said the ps2 will "beat" anything.  i dont even have one.  if i did, it would have to share time with shenmue, and skies of arcadia.  the xbox wont even beat the N-cube\'s user base.  it mat be a great little system, but people just trust sony and nintendo and sega more.  PLUS, the ps2 has had a year in advance.  granted theyve onely shipped about 700,000 to the states.  i have NO idea what japan and europe sales look like.  the xbox WILL NEVER possess a larger user base!  oops, i said it again.  i dont need facts to back up every single post, or claim.  that my friend, shows insecurity.  i know there will be more ps2\'s in people homes, than xbox.  wanna know how i know this?  ITS COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so in retrospect, look in the mirror reverand, and ask yerself whos side yer on.  xbox?  or the gamers side?  

mm

[Edited by mm on 12-14-2000 at 12:55 PM]
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: ReverendXbox on December 14, 2000, 10:26:30 AM
So, mm, you were serious?  I\'m taken aback!  I\'m speechless.  That was the most ignorant post I\'ve ever read.  My friend, have you taken an SRS survey to confirm that people trust Sony and Nintendo more than Microsoft?  Or do you believe it is fashionable to dislike Microsoft?  I\'m not accusing you, I\'m just questioning you.  Based on your logic, N64 should have outsold the PSX because in \'95 and \'96 I\'m sure that a lot more people trusted the name Nintendo when it came to videogames.  Wow! You actually tried to shove that lame argument in my face.  You in effect said, "PS2 will outsell Xbox...because it will!"  From my point of view, I\'m wondering if Sony could build enough PS2\'s to accomplish that goal.  

According to Sony\'s projections, they were supposed to ship 1.3 million PS2\'s at the end of this year and 3 million by march.  I don\'t think Sony even reached 800,000 units.  What happened to their 100,000 units a week?  The question is not whether they can sell 1.3 million consoles, they sure as hell can--believe me, but the question is can they SHIP those many?  There are just over two weeks left in this month and Sony isn\'t close to reaching their target, much less 3 million by March \'01!  See, you and the others on here tend to believe that 80 million people who have PSX\'s will just automatically buy PS2\'s.  That logic is flawed since there will be four viable consoles out on the market next year and PS2 will be one of the weakest.  I don\'t care if you played Wipeout on PSX and loved it and you bought FF on PSX and loved it, the fact is that those developers are all agnostic and if they can make money on four consoles they will.  The point is that PS2 will no longer have all the premier titles to itself...Xbox, and GC will also have some and *gasp* they will look better!  I have no doubt that Sony will woo a fraction of the PSX fanbase to the PS2, but they will not get half the ammount or the whole ammount.  

It\'s the basic pigeon-hole principle, my friend.  If you have four platforms on the market and let\'s say 80 million PSX users, by that principle Sony should sell no less than 20 million consoles.  It could be more, but then again it isn\'t so certain.  I\'m not even figuring in those who own two or more or all four platforms.  The fact is, people know Microsoft and they associate Microsoft with technology.  Half a billion dollars in advertising alone will convince millions that they must buy an Xbox.  You disappointed the hell out of me, mm.  I expected a lot more from an ADMIN.  But a forum is only as good as those in charge of it.  God forbids that this forum become the seething dung heap that is PS2Web.  However, my only conclusion is that you may be ANTI-MICROSOFT.  That\'s my only conclusion.  You aren\'t a fanboy, so I refrained from calling you that, but it seems as if you have a beef against them.  Maybe it\'s fashionable now to bash Microsoft but soon that fad will be over.  Some over here hate Microsoft for reasons they can\'t explain themselves.  It\'s always what some other guy says, never anything of their own merit.  However, I\'ll refrain from defending them since they have people that the PAY to do that.  I\'ll let the games and the marketing campaign handle that.  If $500 million dollars and a better version of MGS2 can\'t convert a fanboy, nothing will.        
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Chrono on December 14, 2000, 10:36:04 AM

FORUM MEMBER WARNING


I don\'t bother to read his lame ass posts anymore, you should not either


I encourage all forum members to ignore all posts by him. At
  the current forum rate, they reach the bottom quite quick, and make him feel
  unwanted because that is his whole point, to aggravate people. He thinks that
  by posting here he can give his X-Box a better chance because he is “Worried”
  about it.. Fear, that is why he is here… so this
  is just a reminder to IGNORE all posts by him,
  do not bother to reply, no matter how stupid.. (and they do get very bias
  and stupid) they are.

 

  Thank You

Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: ReverendXbox on December 14, 2000, 10:45:59 AM
Now this is funny!  He doesn\'t read my posts...lol.  Therefore I conclude that he assumes I\'m bashing the PS2. Sigh. :D
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: mm on December 14, 2000, 11:11:38 AM
rev, im sorry, yer post above if far too pompeous and self fulfilling, that i couldnt make it past the 2nd sentence.  

say what u like.  time tells all deeds.  

the xbox will do well, and has lots of cool games, and i will even buy one.  yet it will never beat ps2\'s user base, please cry elsewhere.

mm
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Ktulu on December 14, 2000, 11:18:09 AM
Reverend, you are not psychic.  We can go around and around about this all we want, but it won\'t change the fact that we have NO idea who will have the most sales.  Even when PS2 is outselling XBox this time next year, you\'ll have to factor in the one year headstart.

Rev: "Microsoft\'s gonna spend $500 mil in advertising"
PS2\'ers: "PSX had 80 million customers who know the Sony name"
Rev: "The XBox is more powerful!"
PS2\'ers: "PS2 has several recognizable franchises; no console really challenged PSX\'s franchises last generation."
Rev: "XBox is a breeze to develop for..."
PS2\'ers: "PS2 has a one year headstart to build up a library and userbase - XBox has to catch up"

Then you insult mm. "By your logic N64 would\'ve beaten PSX."  Um, YES.  IF the N64 had been released a YEAR BEFORE the Playstation.  And IF the N64 wasn\'t the victim of stupid ass decision making (cartridges??!?  what the hell were they thinking?).  You people need to stop comparing the two generations; everything is different.  

As far as you Rev - you are another extremist.  There\'s PS2 extremists who say "Sega will die next year".  Theres Nintendo extremists who say "PS2 will have no good games and all jaggies."  Then there\'s you.  "XBox will win the war.".  Specs aren\'t finalized.  Dev kits aren\'t finalized.  Launch list isn\'t finalized.  Launch price isn\'t finalized.  Developer list is still growing.  Dreamcast has 3 million users.  PS2 is limited ONLY by it\'s shortage.  Who knows how well Gamecube will do.  You have no idea who will win the war.  One year headstart - thats nothing to be sneezed at.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: mm on December 14, 2000, 11:21:06 AM
i hope sega doesnt die :(

they\'re my fav afterall these years.

mm
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Nplayer-2 on December 14, 2000, 05:02:19 PM
Oh bull****. You think a shortage will make developers unhappy especially since Sony is meeting their projections of sales all over the world? It\'ll have the opposite effect as in, EA will see the sell outs everywhere, say "oh my god, look how our games are selling systems and are generally being bought with each system sold" and progressively piss their pants at what geniuses they are. Also, are you retarded? What made you think that EA would NOT develop for other consoles? What you think cuz they dump Sega, they are going to stick with Sony only for the rest of their companies existance? Please, put down the crackpipe. EA was going to develop for all the next gen consoles, cept say sega, and that is a fact. To be gullible enough to fall into your own delusion of that particular third party\'s exclusitivity is just idiotic.

WTF is your problem? you sound like a reverendxbox if he was a PS2 fan...

EA expected sony to have those 10million PS2\'S out by march 2001 and that ALL of their expected sales of software would only be meet if sony shiped those consoles...sony can not do it

5million-japan
2.5million-US
2,5million-europe/aus

i\'m pretty sure that is the plan...do you really think they can do it?

EA has aleady taken a big hit because sony did not deliver...

IMO it really makes no sense for EA to go to xbox(after all the money they have spent on PS2)

the shortage IMO is THE biggest mistake sony has or ever will do with PS2.

PS: in-case you havn\'t noticed i did\'nt call you a retard or a idiot i hope you don\'t do it again.
Title: chill the **** out
Post by: MattPS2k on December 16, 2000, 05:54:55 AM
I hate it when gamers get worried that another future system will top the current system. Each console will have their great titles. And if you are a gamer, you will buy each system for...its games. It\'s not about Specs or Power, or how many polygons it can push. Do you think we all gave a flying **** about polygons when we had our SNES and our Genesis? No, we played games with no worries. And most of us real gamers had both systems, and probably went back to play their NES every now and then also! All I am saying is get some hands on time with each system, if you like it, buy it. I am guessing most of us have PS2s, that\'s $300 well spent. X-Box will cost what $300 too? I would say try it, if you like it, buy it, if not wait for a price drop and/or some game that really grabs your attention. Gamecube will set you back about $200 and it\'s by Nintendo. I know you all bash the **** out of the Big N, but you know deep inside that you have a love for Miyamoto and his games. Oh and BTW, I hope you all own a DC. Great system in my opinon. I hope i helped.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Lord of Darkness on December 16, 2000, 07:06:39 AM
Will some of you people please sell me you crystal ball?  We have no clue as to who will come out on top other than ourselves this generation.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Trintius on December 16, 2000, 07:27:06 AM
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Originally posted by mm
no reverand. YOURE the one that concerned about whos gonna beat who. i merely said the xbox WILL NOT sell more units than ps2\'s. you cant argue this.


Are you kidding me, don\'t make up sh[/i]it like that, just get out of your laughable Sony fantasy world. Nintendo\'s NES market share made Sony\'s of today look small yet Nintendo has since plummeted like a brick since the NES days.

Futhermore why can\'t Reverand argue if X-Box will sell more than Playstation 2? Such is the nature of business I accept the possibility that Dreamcast will sell 80 Million units and Gamecube will sell 5 Million...unlikely but it is a posibility that im open to accepting. Personally I think your a lot smarter then some of the rubbish i\'ve seen you post and your only letting yourself down with stupid comments like the aforementioned one.

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Origianlly posted by mm
. the xbox WILL NEVER possess a larger user base! oops, i said it again. i dont need facts to back up every single post, or claim. that my friend, shows insecurity. i know there will be more ps2\'s in people homes, than xbox. wanna know how i know this? ITS COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yea there you go again, define Common Sense. I see it as a view accepted by the majority and usually questioned by a minority, as evidence let me show you the following -

- It was common sense in 1600 to say the Earth was flat.

- It was common sense in 1800 to say Flying Machines were science fiction.

- It was common sense in 1900 to say landing on the Moon in 69 years was a fantasy.

See what im getting at, what makes sense today isn\'t a certainty to make sense tomorrow. I guess if it wasn\'t for the minority and if we all shared mm\'s common sense theory we would still be stuck in the Dark Ages if not worse.

Still you have little to no clue when it comes to marketing do you, i\'d really love for you to say that there\'s at least a possibility Sony will not win this generation but sadly you seem to damn clueless to make that assertion.

[Edited by Trintius on 12-16-2000 at 10:44 AM]
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Waspman on December 16, 2000, 07:42:15 AM
Trinitus:

How do you know the outcome?you work as fortune teller?...don\'t you have basic moral values when talking or do you know the meaning of charisma?
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: Trintius on December 16, 2000, 07:52:40 AM
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Originally posted by Waspman
How do you know the outcome?you work as fortune teller?...don\'t you have basic moral values when talking or do you know the meaning of charisma?


Did I say I knew the outcome...no, however I was questioning mm on the same thing. Also what\'s the point in moral values or (this is good) being charismatic :rolleyes: on a friggen message board, my purpose is to get my point across, plain and simple.
Title: PLESE READ God Noooooooooo
Post by: mm on December 16, 2000, 04:10:15 PM
trin, its yer goal here to argue with sony fans.  plain and simple.  ESPECIALLY me.  didnt u wonder why i never banned you, even when u asked for it.  at any rate, we can argue numbers, and "popular belief" all we want, but the "simple" nature of things is that sony is FAR more respected and known to the gaming public AND by people buying the consoles.  the xbox will NOT reach ps2\'s user base.  argue and deny it all u want.  ive stated REPEATEDLY that i plan on buying an xbox.  it will do fine, but not as well as the PS2, OR Ncube.  yer kommunist leader has spoken

mm