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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on December 14, 2000, 02:48:17 PM
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How many of you have heard that Microsoft has a bad rep.
YES or NO. Do they have a BAD rep.. Post your answer and why if you want too.
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I believe they do, and I will post my comment on why after I eat.
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Microsoft is one of the most hated and dispised companies in the world. They have monopilized the application barrier, and produce shoddy software. Sure, we can buy Linux, but it\'s the APPLICATION BARRIER that counts.
YES they have a bad rep
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Yes they do.
You are forced to use their OS\'s which are by no means the best out there.They copied Apple\'s GUI (which Apple licensed from Xerox and improved uppon)
They buy out companies.
The newest thing is that they are stealing Linux source codes and intigrading them into their .NET strategy.
And the worst thing is in the future you will have to become a subscriber to their Office programs.
There are alot more these are just the first things that pop into my mind.
But they aren\'t all bad.
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Yes they do.trying to monopilize everything.Buying companies.
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It would seem that some see MS in a very unfavourable light; I would guess that people disagree with MS\'s seemingly bullish business practices. Just my perception.
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At the rate MS is buying out companies, i wouldnt be too surprised if we saw Microsoft Brand Milk at the grocery store, or Microsoft Medicine...
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I tell u what worries me.. What happens if MS buy out most of the GREAT developers.?
Then stop them from developering for the other consoles.. Will we end up HAVING too buy the XBOX because we have no choice.
What games we want.. We can\'t get.
But we can on the XBOX....
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MS was going to buy Konami and Square. Konami wanted to remain independent, and Sony stepped in and stopped the Square thing. Remember, you have to agree to be bought out.
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YES they do, and its not all there fault. They actually did a lot to further the PC market then hinder it, but now that they have a stronghold on the PC market they are hindering somewhat.
Honestly. MS does not need to buy out developers, nor do they need to think about it. They have Konami EA and alot of others willing to develop for Xbox and thats all they need. Xbox with MS backing is going to help push the industry just like EA said.
Its just a great time to be a gamer
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No, really?(sarcasm)
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yeah they do.
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hrrrrrrrrr........i don\'t know, why don\'t u tell me....
Of course they do..... buying up all good developer to back them up...is not a great thing....from bussines pov i would say it reduce competition and incentive to create a much better games.......darn microsoft...tthey just have to much to spend.....
Also, as pc gamers, do people have much choice of not using Microsoft Windows? The answer is NO.....and it is a MONOPOLY....
For everyone who gonna buys XBOX...i would said try not to buy it...Microsoft is on its way to buy out everything in its way....and at the end as console gamers will ends up like pc gamers which is 99.9999999% depend heavily on only Microsoft Windows if they wanna play pc games....well good games...u will have no much choice anymore.......OTHER THAN MICROSOFT.......
But on the other side i wouldnt said you couldnt blame microsoft 100%, when its come to business you have to show no mercy to ur opponents...and they, i would said almost 85% succeed in pc OS ........well microsoft now enter console market and we\'ll see how they compete and try to destroy its competition....
But i would doubt microsoft would be able to destroy a very well equiped, experienced SONY, SEGA and NINTENDO in the console market.......
AMEN
:D :D
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Do they have one? Yes.
Do they deserve it? Not really.
They brought PC use to people who wouldn\'t ever use one. Made the market very big. Sure, they release buggy software, but what company doesn\'t? Its a mere point, that MS is the biggest company now, so when they make a mistake its under the critical light. Not to mention, more people are looking for flaws in MS software then any other OS.
But of course, its the fashionable thing now\'a\'days to hate Bill and company. So, you get people who rave on about how Bill done this and done that. But, no one ever stops to think. If you ran a buisness and had the chance to become the biggest buisness and richest guy in the world, wouldn\'t you buy companies out that sold other software? Or do little tricks like high royality fees. More and likely, everyone would. But, its easier to sit and point out someones mistakes and flaws, then deal with your own.
Yikes. I got on a moral rant..
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Yes they have a bad rep, but I don\'t think they deserve it, like Living-in-Clip said, it\'s almost fashionable to bash MS now.
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yes,
when it crashes, people blame microsoft
beacuse it should NOT crash as much as it does
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Do they have one? Yes.
Do they deserve it? Not really.
They brought PC use to people who wouldn\'t ever use one. Made the market very big. Sure, they release buggy software, but what company doesn\'t? Its a mere point, that MS is the biggest company now, so when they make a mistake its under the critical light. Not to mention, more people are looking for flaws in MS software then any other OS.
All i\'ll say too this. Is you don\'t find its BUGS. They find you. Microsofts Operating system (windows) Has FAR more bugs then any other OS.. You don\'t have too look for them more. There just there. They find YOU.
I don\'t like the way Microsoft make a new OS (NEW HAHA)
Say called Windows ME. But its really Windows 98 with a few more features and bugs. When i got WinME i had too install it 2 times because it stuffed up my kernal.dll file. Samwise too has had troubles hey samny. :D
Why didn\'t MS just make a MOD for windows too map/patch over WIN98?. I\'ll tell u why because Microsoft want too RIP people off by selling a OS that has some changes and more bugs. (i thought the OS was ment too get better?)
They sell it at full price as a new OS. When they oculd have EASILY made a mod for you too download or buy at a cheaper cost.
[Edited by §ôµÏG®ïñD on 12-14-2000 at 07:57 PM]
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Microsoft copyrighted all their software bugs. It is no illegal to publish a Microsoft bug without permission
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I conceed. Windows ME was a horrible Piece of crap. That was a rip off.. The damn thing crashed more Win98.
But, didn\'t MS bring the PC market where alot of people who never used a PC would use one? Maybe the MAC OS would of got popular and it would of been more spread out.
Who knows. I think MS may deserve the bad repuation (now that I remember Win ME..*thanks Nathan* )
But I also think its the fashionable thing for some to go around trashing MS. Ah, who knows.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
I tell u what worries me.. What happens if MS buy out most of the GREAT developers.?
Then stop them from developering for the other consoles.. Will we end up HAVING too buy the XBOX because we have no choice.
What games we want.. We can\'t get.
But we can on the XBOX....
Microsoft should not be feared at all. Most people on this board are not even old enough to know how Microsoft got where they got today. A lot of mistakes were made by other companies and Microsoft produced a better product. Let me give you some examples....
IBM\'s OS/2 which Microsoft worked with IBM. Microsoft already had Windows 3.0 at the time and it was doing great and IBM wanted Microsoft to work with them so Microsoft instead wanted their way so they had Windows 3.0 now the developers wanted to develop for Windows and NOT OS/2 so OS/2 died because the developers chose Windows (not because Microsoft forced them to do so, just like developers chose the PS over all other forms of consoles). Where developers go so do the consumers (does this sound familar?). IBM later started shipping Windows instead of their own Operating System.
Lotus 123, decided that they wanted to create their spreadsheet program on OS/2 instead of Windows and then when OS/2 Died they died with them since Microsoft already had Excell on Windows. Since Lotus didn\'t go to windows, Microsoft filled the void.
wordperfect was the number one word processing software until Novell (A network geek company hense a non consumer company) decided to buy out Word Perfect and they killed Word Perfect, allowing Microsoft Word to take over since there was nothing else, by the time Corel bought word Perfect and brought it back to windows it was too late.
Netscape a leading browser which was going to be re-written from scratch to start over the horrible "non-scalable", "Not documented", "cowboy coding" that had taken place since Netscape was first coded, however Netscape died when AOL bought out netscape and it wasn\'t being updated anymore from scratch and so the code since its so old it was causing crashes and such. The employees of Netscape left because of AOL and Internet Explorer took over.
Did you know that AOL also owns ICQ, Instant Messager, Winamp, Netscape, and many other internet programs out there and they are merging with Time/Warner. :)
There are a ton more cases like this but I don\'t want to write a book because people won\'t even read this far... Microsoft has won because everyone else has failed or had bad business plans the same way the PSX took the console scene, because all their competitors failed (SEGA Saturn, Nintendo 64, Atari Jaguar, 3DO)
My point is that Microsoft is not the one you should be scared of. Microsoft is being held back by the US government and they won\'t go very far at all. The one you should be scared of is Sony, I know many of you love Sony but the fact is that they are a lot worse than Microsoft but they arn\'t an American company so they aren\'t feared as much. Sony has their fingers in more things than Microsoft at the moment and thats a fact, from computers, videogame hardware, video game software, computer hardware, computer software, music titles, Music hardware, Singers and Song writers, Movies, all home electronics, etc.... Sony also has kicked Microsoft\'s xbox promotions out of the stores by using blackmail and they arn\'t held back by anyone including the Japanese Government.
Trust me, there won\'t be a Microsoft refrigerator or whatever, but with Sony you never know. If there is money in it, Sony will be there.
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yeah my friend just got win me and it hasnt worked yet, his start bitton is about the size of his screen, it deleted a lot of his hardware drivers... is a bundle of problems.
to awnser the thing about sony. sony does lots of stuff but they dont have amlost total control of any of the industries they are in. microsoft came in to one. took almost total control, then is movin in here? the console market? no no.... ill steal and smash as many of their consoles as i can. (jk)
party!!
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Yes, I think they have a bad rep. My Windows is ****.
But that won\'t stop me from buying the Xbox if it\'s good. :)
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They have a bad rep; don\'t deserve it. If Microsoft hadn\'t controlled everything, we wouldn\'t have any standards. Sorry. The PC market would be nothing like it is today. IBM would be bigger in the home arena. When Microsoft did MSDos, they refused to sell the rights to IBM. This allowed them to port their code to all other PC\'s. Basically, you didn\'t have to buy an IBM machine to use MS Dos. How well would other machines have fared against IBM without the popular MS Dos OS? How would Packard Bell sell without Windows? Things are standardized now. Unix is available on many platforms. If it wasn\'t, how well would it be supported? That one decision not to give IBM rights was HUGE. And you don\'t think IBM would\'ve taken your first born child for a copy of their OS?
BUT, I think their rep is getting bad in this forum because of XBox fans predicting Sony\'s death. I know I\'ve read some threads that get me pissed at Microsoft. People refuse to praise the XBox without insulting the PS2 or saying it has no good games. Some people are terrified that Microsoft will take over the market. Like EThugg said, that won\'t happen unless everyone else just quits. As far as buggy software - what developer has never had bugs? PC\'s are a bitch to develop for because of the huge diversity in hardware. Not too mention all the goofy things installed on every individual machine. That\'s a testing nightmare; no way you can anticipate every possible combination of programs. Consoles are a static platform; everybody is the same. Testing is much easier.
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Yes M$ has a bad rep.
/FASTson
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Yea they do have a bad rep - but its mainly due to the way the media portrays them. I do believe that they are monopolizing the industry and i hate that they are getting away with it but there is little any of us can do to stop them - so i say screw microsoft and thats that.
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Originally posted by Falcon4
yeah my friend just got win me and it hasnt worked yet, his start bitton is about the size of his screen, it deleted a lot of his hardware drivers... is a bundle of problems.
to awnser the thing about sony. sony does lots of stuff but they dont have amlost total control of any of the industries they are in. microsoft came in to one. took almost total control, then is movin in here? the console market? no no.... ill steal and smash as many of their consoles as i can. (jk)
party!!
The problem isn\'t with Windows, the problem is with the PC itself. For instance, install Linux and see if you hardware problems go away, I bet you that they won\'t. The PC is an unstable mess no matter what Operating System you put on there, I mean Linux can\'t even support a lot of devices out there with USB and DVD let alone other millions of video cards and different hardware. The neat thing about a PC is that you can upgrade it, but the problem is that all hardware is different and all hardware causes instability. Sure, Microsoft should have not put out me but instead Migrated towards Windows 2001 for Consumers so they messed up on that part, but the real problem still exists, the PC is not standard hardware but a mesh of different hardware and different hardware standards. Since there is no standard hardware this breeds instablity for every Operating System known to man. This is the reason why Consoles are more stable. :)
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I dont know.......
I remember that one episode of the Simpsons where Bill Gates destroyed Homer\'s business.
That wasn\'t very nice of him. I havent like him since then.
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Microsoft and Bad rap go hand in hand, thats what you get for an agressive stance when it comes to building your bizz.
plus you also get people back up when you release an OP system like ME, and clame it bigger and better for all to use.
if you ask me all of the ME boxes should of had a Big RED warning sticker on it saying.
Warning do not waste your time & money if you have already got windows 98 or 98 second edition, this product is over priced and will F**k you system up big time. Only buy if your one of the very few people still with 95 (even then you will wished you hadden\'t).
If you still by this crap and your system goes tits up don\'t come running to us
Ah well thats life for you love the Gates Mister
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lol, exactly
it should be called windows blowme
or something like that
as I always say
Lets make like microsoft.. and split! :)
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The only OS from MS I can use is Win2k.
I feel sick everytime I have to use Win9x in school.
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WINDOES CRASH. Is there lastest OS.. Get it now. ONLY FOR $100
Warning. This is WINDOWS ME with alot more bugs, Use at your own risk. Has been known to blow up Hard Drives.
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Originally posted by Dwarrior
The problem isn\'t with Windows, the problem is with the PC itself. [/B]
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ohhh man. You got too be KIDDING right.. No you are.. So then tell me. Why does windows 98 work better then Windows ME. If umm its just your hardware causing the problems. Shouldn\'t i be getting the SAME probs with BOTH operating systems.
Man your a funny guy. No REALLY u are.
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Poor Microsoft... Windows screwed you over...