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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: on December 16, 2000, 09:01:15 AM
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I have been thinking lately (hurray...). This is what happened with Sega\'s machine :
hey, let\'s add a CD-player!! £195
And the fun doesn\'t stop there! Let\'s add a device that makes it 32-bit instead! Wehaw! Only £125!!!
And we all know what happened with the Mega CD...
On the game box it will say "to play this super game you need to buy this... and this..".
It doesn\'t work that way. All you get is frustration that you don\'t have the right tools, and you guessed right, no games sold.
So what about PS2?
Well, we know that the harddrive will add about 300 megs of extra texture-storage. Sounds sweet, but it\'s gonna be expensive.
Hey let\'s go online! Nah, that\'s not possible until you buy this new modem adaptor!!
So where will it end? ie."To play Quake 4 Tournament you have to have the new PS2 HDD to take full advantege of all textures. AND IT DOESN\'T STOP THERE!! If you want to go online, you will need the hyper-new Sony modem to make that possible!!"
Let\'s all hope that the add-ons will be very cheap and that there will people buying them...:(
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Sony will release the thing unstupidly. they want everyone to get an HDD
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Of course they want, but I was talking about the horror-vision that nobody would buy them.
But I have heard that Sony makes sure that the dev. know how to operate the HDD before launching it.
Micke
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Sony knows darn well what happened to Sega and all the other companies who released add-ons and they don\'t want to go the same way. They\'re learning from other people\'s mistakes are being smart about these add-ons. Trust me.
Hey, even if it does bomb, I\'ll still buy it.
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cheap...
how about free?
with service to something
or, I would be pretty sure a super package would be released with both console and modem together for 300 next year...
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Yeah, and then we\'ll all be pissed that we paid 300 at launch. But hey, thats the way life is.
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Originally posted by MattPS2k
Yeah, and then we\'ll all be pissed that we paid 300 at launch. But hey, thats the way life is.
You pay to get technology first, P3\'s are much cheaper now then 1 year ago, but I could have waited and saved money but I did not
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Geez Chrono, replying to my posts alot lately i see. But notice how i did say "thats the way life is" :)
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Let\'s all hope that Sony knows what they are doing, since I bought I payed a small fortune to get the black box, and I don\'t want it to fail...
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Originally posted by Armini
Let\'s all hope that Sony knows what they are doing, since I bought I payed a small fortune to get the black box, and I don\'t want it to fail...
Don\'t worry
its chance of failure is less likely then Al Gore winning the election
There is too much support, too many consoles out, and too many games in planning for it to even come close to failing
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\'Kay... Let\'s all hope for that.
Until then...
"Another cold and lonely rainy days comes to an end
I have to clear my mind before I sleep or else I tend
to close my eyes and realise there is nothing there but light
I need shadow I need darkness to help me trough the night.
The Darkness...
The Darkness..."
Hypertraxx - The Darkness
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Are they actually going to use the HDD for extra texture storage?
I thought it was going to be for stuff like downloading movies and stuff.
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The harddrive and broadband adapter are allone unit so if you play online games you automatically get the best of both worlds. and Developers can make there online games capable of taking advantage of the HD benefit
Also SOny will most likely make a sweetheart deal to get these products into our PS2\'s and I wouldn\'t be surprised to see SOny automatically include these in a future model of the PS2
Sony knows the history of add-ons, ths WILL be different
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I got a "Q" here. Ummm...the broadband here, that is for the connection of DSL and/or cable right? There will not be any 56k **** there on the broadband, huh? I hope not...
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Add-ons will be PS2\'s glory!
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Eh. Add-ons should be approached with caution on the consumer end. I don\'t care if Sony knows what happened with the Sega Cd or not. Any add-on should be approached with caution. They always have a huge chance of failure. I doubt the broadband has one though, just because it will probally only be around $60 dollars. As for the HD, I can say I think it has a nice chance of failing. But, thats my opinion.:) Either way, I\'ll buy it, but only because I always buy the cheap-half-ass add-ons. Which reminds me, anyone know an auction where I can pick up a 64DD, not for over a 1,000? Each auction I\'ve found is going up to a 1,000 dollars + . :(
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A 64DD for $1000! WTF all of a sudden that ps2 seems cheap.
besides the expansion for f zero what other games were there
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Just because its Sony does not mean they can\'t f\'up. If the HD or modem cost more than $70 you can forget it.
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And I suppose you think the HDD is a bad thing!
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Originally posted by SyxxKorn
And I suppose you think the HDD is a bad thing!
It probably is a very good thing, but I don\'t want it to be very costly.
It shouldn\'t be over a hundred dollars. I might be tempted to buy games instead.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
Originally posted by SyxxKorn
And I suppose you think the HDD is a bad thing!
It probably is a very good thing, but I don\'t want it to be very costly.
It shouldn\'t be over a hundred dollars. I might be tempted to buy games instead. [/B]
it probably won\'t be,
if it is it leads me to wonder how the x-box will be 300 dollars...
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well people have been saying there were 2 different kinds coming out, with the difference being in the storage space, but both are "supposedly" under $100.
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HD with space for textures is impressive, please sony do it!!
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300 Megs of texture from a slow ass Harddrive? What are you people smoking? Get real!
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Add-ons are ok, I love my Sega CD! :D But don\'t assume Sony wont make the same mistakes as Sega. They made the system difficult to develop for, like Saturn. They have at least 2 addons coming. They undersupplied the launch like N64. Yeah, Sony\'s learned a lot.....:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by EThugg
Add-ons are ok, I love my Sega CD! :D But don\'t assume Sony wont make the same mistakes as Sega. They made the system difficult to develop for, like Saturn. They have at least 2 addons coming. They undersupplied the launch like N64. Yeah, Sony\'s learned a lot.....:rolleyes:
wow, you are really stupid
under supplied?
they already launced with more consoles then any other company in history
Have you made games for the ps2 and saturn
who is complaing the ps2 is hard to make games for?
2 Addon\'s? I only see one, the ethernet/hardrive
wow, you are really stupid and bias
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Uhhhhh, are you really stupid? They could not meet demand. They under-supplied. Go grab a dictonary sometime a learn you a few werdz. Broadband adapter, HD. 1, 2. Count along with me junior. So what if they package them together, which by the way, is pure speculation. They have a less than great chance of doing well. Who says PS2 is hard to develop for? Oh I don\'t know, a few dozen major developers maybe? I\'m biased? **** you you little bastard. Your so blinded be propaganda apparently, your not thinking strait. Or maybe your biased. Either way, you have no facts to discredit a single statement I made.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Uhhhhh, are you really stupid? They could not meet demand. They under-supplied. Go grab a dictonary sometime a learn you a few werdz. Broadband adapter, HD. 1, 2. Count along with me junior. So what if they package them together, which by the way, is pure speculation. They have a less than great chance of doing well. Who says PS2 is hard to develop for? Oh I don\'t know, a few dozen major developers maybe? I\'m biased? **** you you little bastard. Your so blinded be propaganda apparently, your not thinking strait. Or maybe your biased. Either way, you have no facts to discredit a single statement I made.
the hardrive and ethernet are one thing stupid...
my god, you call me stupid when you can\'t get your facts straight,
Give me links to a dozen dev\'s who say its hard to make games on the ps2 then I will belive you
the only company to say its hard to is odd world, and its their first 3D project and they are lazy, lol. You say I have no facts, what about yourself, you are a pathetic soul junior!
If 1.3 million consoles is not enough for a console in the first three months in ONE county, then they have a VERY popular console on their hands
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I can\'t give you links to magazine articles, but when I have time l8er, i\'ll pm you a list of magazine interviews that support that.
Like I said, the add-ons being one is speculation. And i\'ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say they are 1. So what? NO add-on has been popular. Especially when XB will have it built in.
As for under production and such, yes. Sony does have a pop. console on it\'s hands. That doesn\'t mean they produced enough. They cut the initial launch in half for christsakes! That, by any definition, is underproduction.
I want to know in what way I\'m biased. Anti Sony? I\'ve defended Sony and PS2 dozens of times in this forum alone, not to mention the numerous \'discussions\' I\'ve had with PS2 bashers in my everyday life. I like PS2. I like my DC. I like my N64. I like my Saturn. I like my PSone. Ect... How am I biased for stating knowledge I\'ve accumulated through enough the gaming media (sites, mag\'s, trade shows, etc.) to choke an elephant? Through 2 decades of being an avid gamer? I\'m going to go meditate. I need to relax....
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Originally posted by EThugg
I can\'t give you links to magazine articles, but when I have time l8er, i\'ll pm you a list of magazine interviews that support that.
Like I said, the add-ons being one is speculation. And i\'ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say they are 1. So what? NO add-on has been popular. Especially when XB will have it built in.
As for under production and such, yes. Sony does have a pop. console on it\'s hands. That doesn\'t mean they produced enough. They cut the initial launch in half for christsakes! That, by any definition, is underproduction.
I want to know in what way I\'m biased. Anti Sony? I\'ve defended Sony and PS2 dozens of times in this forum alone, not to mention the numerous \'discussions\' I\'ve had with PS2 bashers in my everyday life. I like PS2. I like my DC. I like my N64. I like my Saturn. I like my PSone. Ect... How am I biased for stating knowledge I\'ve accumulated through enough the gaming media (sites, mag\'s, trade shows, etc.) to choke an elephant? Through 2 decades of being an avid gamer? I\'m going to go meditate. I need to relax....
Btw, I did not mean to call anybody stupid in this argument, it sorta sliped :P
Let me ask you why you try to take whatever news and put a negative spin on it. (ahh, perhaps there will be 2 add-ons\'s... instead of calling it one like it will probably be, i\'ll call it 2 and use it as evidence and call it fact!!... heheheh, 2 addons means more chance of failure.. hehehe) Every dev except the whinners, aka oddworld have said once they got into the ps2 is may have seemed hard but they like the power and the possibility, no company has publically stated that it was hard to do except the whinners.
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I don\'t put negative spins on anything. I don\'t think Sony\'s going to break the tradition of add-ons failing. And you made my point, besides contridicting yourself.
\'Every dev except the whinners, aka oddworld have said once they got into the ps2 is may have seemed hard but they like the power and the possibility, no company has publically stated that it was hard to do except the whinners.\'
Lots of dev teams have stated its difficult to dev for. You just admitted as much. I never said that dev\'s wont stick to it, and utilize the architecture ever, I just said it was difficult. I\'m not biased, I just don\'t think Sony\'s perfect. I make just as harsh a statments on DC boards about Sega. I call \'em as I see \'em.
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This doens\'t lead anywhere... The bottom line is that Sony is taking a HUGE risc making add-ons to the PS2, we all more or less agree to that.
Secondary, Sony HAS to make them both cheap, say, 50$ each, and if they are smart, they will include them in some beautiful game that will cost some more, for example, launching the ehternet box together with FFXI, and so on.
PLease please Sony, make these to must-have items...
Micke