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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: tHe GaMe on December 19, 2000, 11:49:51 AM
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Microsoft is a computer company first, so it\'s not too surprising to see its Xbox console getting a faster and faster processor. What was once a mere 600MHz has now become a full 1 GHz. The chip is also said to be a Pentium III.
Compare this number to the PlayStation 2\'s 300 MHz speed, and it can be enough to make even the most hardcore Sony supporter feel a little weak in the knees. Sony had best get more PS2 units out to the public soon, before gamers get hit with a case of wait-itis similar to what potential Dreamcast buyers were afflicted with when that system debuted.
Gameinformer.com is the source........
Well Sony has a whole year to sell all the PS2\'s it needs to make sure Microsoft doesn\'t steal the casual gamer.
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where did you hear this?
if its true its just further info that the x-box is vaporware!
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Originally posted by tHe GaMe
Well Sony has a whole year to sell all the PS2\'s it needs to make sure Microsoft doesn\'t steal the casual gamer.
That is exactly what will stop PS2 from becoming a poor console. Most of my mates (casual gamers) well want the PS2, but ain\'t even heard of X-Box, and I\'m quite sure that when they hear tha Microsoft are making a games console, they will not be bothered and will try and steer clear of it
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Before I get flamed, I\'ll state that I am a PC gamer as well as a PS2 owner and this is just my opinion.
1 Ghz for the X-box sounds impressive, but you have to consider the total architecture of the system as well as the architecture of the chip itself. The X-box relies on a chip architecture that is about 15 years old (the x86 architecture) that was conceived initially for office applications. The PS2 is a totally different animal. It is a totally different architecture that was built from the ground up to be a gaming system. Yes the X-box is a very optimized and standardized system as PCs go, but it\'s still just a PC.
What I\'m trying to say is comparing the PS2 to the X-box in terms of Mhz is comparing apples to oranges. And until E3 it\'s still just vaporware.
P.S. Realistically, if you upgraded from a 733 Mhz to a 1 Ghz PIII in your computer you wouldn\'t notice much difference in the speed of your games. You\'d have to run a benchmarking program to tell you it was faster.
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Originally posted by RatBoy
Before I get flamed, I\'ll state that I am a PC gamer as well as a PS2 owner and this is just my opinion.
1 Ghz for the X-box sounds impressive, but you have to consider the total architecture of the system as well as the architecture of the chip itself. The X-box relies on a chip architecture that is about 15 years old (the x86 architecture) that was conceived initially for office applications. The PS2 is a totally different animal. It is a totally different architecture that was built from the ground up to be a gaming system. Yes the X-box is a very optimized and standardized system as PCs go, but it\'s still just a PC.
What I\'m trying to say is comparing the PS2 to the X-box in terms of Mhz is comparing apples to oranges. And until E3 it\'s still just vaporware.
P.S. Realistically, if you upgraded from a 733 Mhz to a 1 Ghz PIII in your computer you wouldn\'t notice much difference in the speed of your games. You\'d have to run a benchmarking program to tell you it was faster.
Very true, this is. MHz doesn\'t count so much. It\'s about the chip. I was disappointed when I heard it\'s "just" Pentium III Advanced...
Maybe I was over-hyped but I waited for something more revolutionar :)
And about the X-box reputation. It doesn\'t have one yet. Playstation 2 had buzz all over it year before release, but that was because Playstation was so successfull. Now x-box will begin an ad-campaign, I\'m sure, and most of us Internet-owners know about it already. But who of us cares? That\'s more important question :)
But let\'s not go into that.
This subject bears something else.
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if you want to talk about X-Box then go to the Console debating part of this forum or go to the X-Box.com forum, cause we are sick and tired of debating the systems, the MAIN FORUM is for PS2 owners who have questions and want to talk about the games for there system , BUT!, I am not a Mod and I don\'t even have a high rank so I could be wrong and I know I\'m gonna get flamed for this but I\'m pretty sure the rest of the members will vouch for me on this post
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Its still 733mhz. MS has finalized the specifications for the Xbox.
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Wasn\'t the PSX actually only something ridiculous like 32 Mhz?
Sony had best get more PS2 units out to the public soon, before gamers get hit with a case of wait-itis similar to what potential Dreamcast buyers were afflicted with when that system debuted.
Potential Dreamcast buyers waited because of several things: 1) The Sega brand has been tarnished by 32X/Sega CD/Saturn. The public was mistrustful of it (as were developers). 2) The Dreamcast had no "big name" franchises like Madden, Tekken, Ridge Racer, Final Fantasy, etc. 3) The Dreamcast had no television marketing. People weren\'t waiting because the PS2 was more powerful; casual gamers don\'t give a damn about power. They were waiting because it wasn\'t on TV, it had no big name franchises, and they weren\'t sure of Sega after the Saturn.
Well Sony has a whole year to sell all the PS2\'s it needs to make sure Microsoft doesn\'t steal the casual gamer.
Two years. Not only does Sony have a one year headstart, but you have to remember, it will take time for the XBox to build up a library. By the time XBox launches, PS2 will most likely have a price drop and at least 150 games in it\'s library. The XBox will constantly be trying to catch the PS2\'s software library. Casual gamers will be leery of a new contestant in the console wars - look at the PSX. One million sales took almost 18 months. Now imagine if that "new" PSX had been taking on a console that had franchises like Madden, Tekken, etc. Ouch. If anybody can pull it off, Microsoft can. But it\'s going to be a bitch that first year while they\'re waiting for the library to build.
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First of all. This isn\'t true:
Microsoft Denies Xbox 1GHz Rumor
12/19/00 11:50
Yesterday, GameWeek reported that Microsoft was considering replacing the 733KHz chip with one running at a 1GHz or more. We contacted Microsoft about the story and they told us in no uncertain terms that Xbox will not have a 1GHz chip, but will instead use the 733KHz Pentium III processor as originally planned.
DailyRadar (http://www.dailyradar.com/news/game_news_6350.html)
Secondly, the EE and the Pentium III are totally different. I don\'t know why the people are still looking at the Mhz when it doesn\'t give you a real proof of the system\'s capacity. Actually, the EE outperforms the Pentium III. It\'s at least, 2 to 3 times more powerful( specially in 3D calculation). Also, it doesn\'t have the bandwith problem that the P-III has.
The real capacity of the X-box it\'s on the GPU, not in the CPU, and this isn\'t going to change if they make the micro work at a higher speed, so this discussion is useless.
And another thing, i don\'t know what are you look for when you choose a system, but the most important thing for me is the support( number of developers, and which games are going to be developed for the system), and in this case the PS2 is amazing.
[Edited by Falgarok on 12-19-2000 at 04:10 PM]
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C\'mon X-box isn\'t that bad! I reckon by the time the X-box launches there will be like a PIIII 1.5Ghz+ cpu inside.
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Originally posted by tHe GaMe
Microsoft is a computer company first, so it\'s not too surprising to see its Xbox console getting a faster and faster processor. What was once a mere 600MHz has now become a full 1 GHz. The chip is also said to be a Pentium III.
Compare this number to the PlayStation 2\'s 300 MHz speed, and it can be enough to make even the most hardcore Sony supporter feel a little weak in the knees. Sony had best get more PS2 units out to the public soon, before gamers get hit with a case of wait-itis similar to what potential Dreamcast buyers were afflicted with when that system debuted.
Gameinformer.com is the source........
Well Sony has a whole year to sell all the PS2\'s it needs to make sure Microsoft doesn\'t steal the casual gamer.
Oh yeah, Brand new(basically) PIII 1 Ghz processor, that will only jack up the price from $300, to about oh say $600. I also suppose it will have 256 MB of RAM.
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Come on people. Its a rumour, one that MS has already denied.
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I love Web based Journalism. I\'ve become quite immuned to the non sense.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
I love Web based Journalism. I\'ve become quite immuned to the non sense.
No **** man. Its like these so called writers just sit around and think up rumours. Then more sites report it and it keeps going. Then people post it on a board and it gets into more peoples head..Ugh. Its a cycle. STOP THE CYCLE! ..Self-Help therapy rules.
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Wow a new internet position! Rumour-Journalist wanted !
Must be creative!
Must be Spiteful!
Come for the interview...
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No, by about this time next year, 1 Ghz would cost only about $100. Right now, 733mhz is only like $100 something. Also, Microsoft is buying a large amount and will get a discount
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the cheapest P3 733 is 163 USD right now. a P3 1 ghz is 440. lets say the gig cpu comes down to 100 USD next year [speculation], ummm, there goes the 300$ price tag.
mm
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The Xbox has a 733 Mhz Pentium III. The EE is three times more powerfull at floating point than a Pentium III 500, not a Pentium III 733 which would make the Xbox\'s CPU much more powerfull at floating point than the Pentium III 500. Its still not as powerfull as the EE, but then of course you have the 140 Gigaflops on the Xbox GPU which more than makes up for that. So if you add the GPU and CPU together it will toast the EE easily, just like on the GameCube both Flipper and Gekko Toasts the EE when used together.
The Xbox specs are final and 733 Mhz is all they really need anyway. To tap in to outperform the xbox on the Pentium III CPU alone, you would really have to know how to program the EE to make that happen and as you can see so far this is not happened and probably won\'t happen for awhile and I am just talking about the Pentium III only.
Another thing about the PS2 headstart? Cut it down to Six months instead of a year, because no new games are coming out that are worth buying as of yet and it won\'t be for awhile and by March Microsoft will be in full swing showing games and such and so will GameCube.
So in reality, Sony thought they had a year lead but they really won\'t. People will be waiting for the two new consoles on the block.
I love sony as much as you guys, but come on, sometimes you have to tell the truth.....
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People who STILL compare systems by MHz are totally ignorant dorks.
That\'s all I have to say.
btw, just for everyone\'s info, the new Pentium 4 chip has been shot down like before it can even take off as nearly every performance benchmark and conclusion drawn from respectable hardcore PC hardware site shows it to be INFERIOR to the Pentium 3.
Eat that sucker.
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Look Ma! My 120Mhz 486 is faster than the 33Mhz PSX!!!
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Originally posted by Paul
People who STILL compare systems by MHz are totally ignorant dorks.
That\'s all I have to say.
btw, just for everyone\'s info, the new Pentium 4 chip has been shot down like before it can even take off as nearly every performance benchmark and conclusion drawn from respectable hardcore PC hardware site shows it to be INFERIOR to the Pentium 3.
Eat that sucker.
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Look Ma! My 120Mhz 486 is faster than the 33Mhz PSX!!!
I agree, lol :D
I hate some of my "redneck"-friends who shout:
"Daaaa, if PS2 has only 300 MhZ and X-bux... daaaa 733 MHz, dat makes daaaaa X-box way better, ööö?"
They don\'t know anything about chips etc. or raw polygon-counts etc. they don\'t realize that MHz\'s on TV screen don\'t add so much than in computers...
Stupped Fools :)
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Another thing about the PS2 headstart? Cut it down to Six months instead of a year, because no new games are coming out that are worth buying as of yet and it won\'t be for awhile and by March Microsoft will be in full swing showing games and such and so will GameCube.
YOUR OPINION. That\'s it. There are plenty of good games coming. My god man, there are 350 developers. Even with just 6 months (it IS a year), there would be some amazing PS2 titles. Besides that, you forget the other advantages of the headstart. More time for marketing, more time to get systems in stores.
People will be waiting for the two new consoles on the block
Just forum freaks like us. Casual gamers don\'t give a damn about XBox; they know nothing of it until the commercials hit. And casuals are 80% of the gaming base (at least). Gamecube has a better shot than XBox - at least some people had the N64 and recognize Nintendo\'s FRANCHISES. What are the XBox\'s franchises? Sorry? Halo? Oddworld (yeah, it did well on PSX)? A bunch of Sony hand me downs to be released later? (MGS, FF) No... XBox\'s exclusives are still new to the casuals. They have to make a name for themselves before dominating anything, and it takes a little while to get your own "franchise" games. The "truth" is this: PSX sold 40 million in the US. PS2 has 350 developers. Casual gamers KNOW Sony\'s franchises. Why in the hell would they wait an extra year? Microsofter\'s who want to keep up the silly domination angle need to PRAY that the shortage continues for the next two years.
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And those shortages want continue, because Sony plans to hit 10 million by March 2001, that\'s when most of the new games are release.
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Even if they upgraded the chip to 1GHZ it wouldn\'t have done anything really great for the system. The graphics are done by the GPU and not the PIII.
The PIII is for physics and AI only so if anyone who tells you that the 1GHZ will make Xbox the most powerful system tell them they are full of BS!
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I agree with Ratboy and on top of all that
I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY THE PIII. I use a P3 800mhz here at work and a P2 350mhz at home and guess what? NO BIG DIFFERENCE. Others may see improvement but not me.
And when I build my next PC, it\'s going to be AMD Thunderbird all the way.
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yeah, really there isn´t a bisg difference between a pII 350 MHZ (mine) and a PIII 800 MHZ, same velocity!
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Originally posted by Ktulu
Another thing about the PS2 headstart? Cut it down to Six months instead of a year, because no new games are coming out that are worth buying as of yet and it won\'t be for awhile and by March Microsoft will be in full swing showing games and such and so will GameCube.
YOUR OPINION. That\'s it. There are plenty of good games coming. My god man, there are 350 developers. Even with just 6 months (it IS a year), there would be some amazing PS2 titles. Besides that, you forget the other advantages of the headstart. More time for marketing, more time to get systems in stores.
People will be waiting for the two new consoles on the block
Just forum freaks like us. Casual gamers don\'t give a damn about XBox; they know nothing of it until the commercials hit. And casuals are 80% of the gaming base (at least). Gamecube has a better shot than XBox - at least some people had the N64 and recognize Nintendo\'s FRANCHISES. What are the XBox\'s franchises? Sorry? Halo? Oddworld (yeah, it did well on PSX)? A bunch of Sony hand me downs to be released later? (MGS, FF) No... XBox\'s exclusives are still new to the casuals. They have to make a name for themselves before dominating anything, and it takes a little while to get your own "franchise" games. The "truth" is this: PSX sold 40 million in the US. PS2 has 350 developers. Casual gamers KNOW Sony\'s franchises. Why in the hell would they wait an extra year? Microsofter\'s who want to keep up the silly domination angle need to PRAY that the shortage continues for the next two years. [/B]
hello everyone, this is my first post at this forum. i hope that these boards will allow freedom of opinions even if they are contrary to the dominate opinions that are expressed here. now that my introduction is out of the way, there seems to be a misconception that the casual gamer may not wait for the xbox to be released before buying a console. this couldn\'t be further from the truth. the fact that casual gamers are by nature not influenced by mega hype is why they may decide to wait for the xbox or gamecube. that means, that sony\'s hype, as well as ms\'s hype will not be an influence in their decisions, but each individual will make his/her own choice based upon certain things that appeal to that particular person. i am a casual gamer, and i decided to wait before trying to buy a ps2 b/c i was not sucked in by all the hype. now i can wait just fine until the xbox\'s release and make an unbiased decision as to what appeals to me. i must admit though, that what i\'ve read, and ppl i have talked to, along with my personal experiences and impressions of the ps2, the xbox is lookin\' mighty strong.
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*ahem* Hello, welcome to the forum. Now goodbye back to your Lunch-Box forum. I\'m not one to be offensive to new members but that post really p*ssed me off. The fact of the matter is that casual gamers, who make up more than half the gaming population, know absolutly nothing about the X-Box. Only us internet forum freaks. Most people, and all my friends say, "X-Box, whats that?" and once I tell them what it is they say, "Oh, wow, since X-Box has more mega-whatever it must be more powerful than the PS2!" or some people already know about it and say, "Hey, I just heard about this brand new thing called the "Z-Box" or whatever and I hear its more powerful than the PS2! Yeah, PS2 sux! Z-Box is better!"
I\'m so sick of lamer casual gamers who know nothing about the video game marketing, development, or anything except how to pull of a inverted-super-mega-hyper-hado-kick-a$$-ken-spinning-death-piledriver-gou-hado-shouken-ninja-star-flying-crap-ultra-maximum-tampon-soaring-penis super hyper mega combo finish in Gay-Men vs Lesbian Fighters(no offense to the Capcom series). THE FACT IS THAT MOST GAMERS KNOW DIDDLY CRAP ABOUT THE X-BOX OR HAVE EVEN HEARD OF IT.
Welcome to the forum. Have a nice day!
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Misplace your Prozac today :)? j/k
When I worked at OfficeMax not many people who came in after PCs knew what to look for so I\'d say probably 60% of the average adult knows nothing of computer operations. And I don\'t mean how to point-click, I mean how to tell when 1 machine has better hardware than another.
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Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
*ahem* Hello, welcome to the forum. Now goodbye back to your Lunch-Box forum. I\'m not one to be offensive to new members but that post really p*ssed me off. The fact of the matter is that casual gamers, who make up more than half the gaming population, know absolutly nothing about the X-Box. Only us internet forum freaks. Most people, and all my friends say, "X-Box, whats that?" and once I tell them what it is they say, "Oh, wow, since X-Box has more mega-whatever it must be more powerful than the PS2!" or some people already know about it and say, "Hey, I just heard about this brand new thing called the "Z-Box" or whatever and I hear its more powerful than the PS2! Yeah, PS2 sux! Z-Box is better!"
I\'m so sick of lamer casual gamers who know nothing about the video game marketing, development, or anything except how to pull of a inverted-super-mega-hyper-hado-kick-a$$-ken-spinning-death-piledriver-gou-hado-shouken-ninja-star-flying-crap-ultra-maximum-tampon-soaring-penis super hyper mega combo finish in Gay-Men vs Lesbian Fighters(no offense to the Capcom series). THE FACT IS THAT MOST GAMERS KNOW DIDDLY CRAP ABOUT THE X-BOX OR HAVE EVEN HEARD OF IT.
Welcome to the forum. Have a nice day!
i guess i should have expected this type of attitude, anyway i gave my honest opinion as to what i thought. i have carefully researched both consoles to MY satisfaction and i believe i am making an informed decision based on what appeals to me. frankly speaking the ps2 has shown me nothing impressive IMO the screen shots that are shown are only as good as some pc screen shots. there have been bugs in the system and that is not what i would want. plus there are other reasons that i won\'t go into now. the ps2 is a good system, but i believe the xbox will be better IMO. now i may not be a hard core gamer, but i am an informed gamer which it seems that you are not b/c it is obvious that you know very little about the xbox. you are very childish and immature as well. if my status as a casual gamer makes me lame, i wonder what does your lack of intelligence make you? and finaly, just b/c gamers don\'t know about xbox now does not mean that will always be true. let\'s see if that will be true in a year. btw, thanks for the cordial welcome...... OH YEAH I\'M GONNA LOOOOVE THIS PLACE!!!!
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Originally posted by kimathi
Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
*ahem* Hello, welcome to the forum. Now goodbye back to your Lunch-Box forum. I\'m not one to be offensive to new members but that post really p*ssed me off. The fact of the matter is that casual gamers, who make up more than half the gaming population, know absolutly nothing about the X-Box. Only us internet forum freaks. Most people, and all my friends say, "X-Box, whats that?" and once I tell them what it is they say, "Oh, wow, since X-Box has more mega-whatever it must be more powerful than the PS2!" or some people already know about it and say, "Hey, I just heard about this brand new thing called the "Z-Box" or whatever and I hear its more powerful than the PS2! Yeah, PS2 sux! Z-Box is better!"
I\'m so sick of lamer casual gamers who know nothing about the video game marketing, development, or anything except how to pull of a inverted-super-mega-hyper-hado-kick-a$$-ken-spinning-death-piledriver-gou-hado-shouken-ninja-star-flying-crap-ultra-maximum-tampon-soaring-penis super hyper mega combo finish in Gay-Men vs Lesbian Fighters(no offense to the Capcom series). THE FACT IS THAT MOST GAMERS KNOW DIDDLY CRAP ABOUT THE X-BOX OR HAVE EVEN HEARD OF IT.
Welcome to the forum. Have a nice day!
i guess i should have expected this type of attitude, anyway i gave my honest opinion as to what i thought. i have carefully researched both consoles to MY satisfaction and i believe i am making an informed decision based on what appeals to me. frankly speaking the ps2 has shown me nothing impressive IMO the screen shots that are shown are only as good as some pc screen shots. there have been bugs in the system and that is not what i would want. plus there are other reasons that i won\'t go into now. the ps2 is a good system, but i believe the xbox will be better IMO. now i may not be a hard core gamer, but i am an informed gamer which it seems that you are not b/c it is obvious that you know very little about the xbox. you are very childish and immature as well. if my status as a casual gamer makes me lame, i wonder what does your lack of intelligence make you? and finaly, just b/c gamers don\'t know about xbox now does not mean that will always be true. let\'s see if that will be true in a year. btw, thanks for the cordial welcome...... OH YEAH I\'M GONNA LOOOOVE THIS PLACE!!!! [/B]
Yeah, keep that atitude and be banned, ROFL
what a retard
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kimathi if u don\'t like ps2.. Why are u here?
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Originally posted by Chrono
Originally posted by kimathi
Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
*ahem* Hello, welcome to the forum. Now goodbye back to your Lunch-Box forum. I\'m not one to be offensive to new members but that post really p*ssed me off. The fact of the matter is that casual gamers, who make up more than half the gaming population, know absolutly nothing about the X-Box. Only us internet forum freaks. Most people, and all my friends say, "X-Box, whats that?" and once I tell them what it is they say, "Oh, wow, since X-Box has more mega-whatever it must be more powerful than the PS2!" or some people already know about it and say, "Hey, I just heard about this brand new thing called the "Z-Box" or whatever and I hear its more powerful than the PS2! Yeah, PS2 sux! Z-Box is better!"
I\'m so sick of lamer casual gamers who know nothing about the video game marketing, development, or anything except how to pull of a inverted-super-mega-hyper-hado-kick-a$$-ken-spinning-death-piledriver-gou-hado-shouken-ninja-star-flying-crap-ultra-maximum-tampon-soaring-penis super hyper mega combo finish in Gay-Men vs Lesbian Fighters(no offense to the Capcom series). THE FACT IS THAT MOST GAMERS KNOW DIDDLY CRAP ABOUT THE X-BOX OR HAVE EVEN HEARD OF IT.
Welcome to the forum. Have a nice day!
i guess i should have expected this type of attitude, anyway i gave my honest opinion as to what i thought. i have carefully researched both consoles to MY satisfaction and i believe i am making an informed decision based on what appeals to me. frankly speaking the ps2 has shown me nothing impressive IMO the screen shots that are shown are only as good as some pc screen shots. there have been bugs in the system and that is not what i would want. plus there are other reasons that i won\'t go into now. the ps2 is a good system, but i believe the xbox will be better IMO. now i may not be a hard core gamer, but i am an informed gamer which it seems that you are not b/c it is obvious that you know very little about the xbox. you are very childish and immature as well. if my status as a casual gamer makes me lame, i wonder what does your lack of intelligence make you? and finaly, just b/c gamers don\'t know about xbox now does not mean that will always be true. let\'s see if that will be true in a year. btw, thanks for the cordial welcome...... OH YEAH I\'M GONNA LOOOOVE THIS PLACE!!!! [/B]
Yeah, keep that atitude and be banned, ROFL
what a retard [/B]
i will treat anyone in these boards with the utmost respect, if they will give me the same as i truly believe ppl can have a difference of opinion without flaming. if i am banned for giving my opinion, then so be it. i am not a retard, probably someone you just don\'t understand.
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answer what soulgrind said : "Why are you here"
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i am here b/c i wanted to meet other gamers that might have a different opinion than mine? is there something wrong with that?
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the fact that casual gamers are by nature not influenced by mega hype is why they may decide to wait for the xbox or gamecube. that means, that sony\'s hype, as well as ms\'s hype will not be an influence in their decisions,...
I\'m sorry, but this is not a fact, and IMO, is seemingly the opposite. But hey, lets not blow something, that is so apparently trivial, out of proportion.
Welcome to the forums. Seriously.
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Originally posted by Zavijava
the fact that casual gamers are by nature not influenced by mega hype is why they may decide to wait for the xbox or gamecube. that means, that sony\'s hype, as well as ms\'s hype will not be an influence in their decisions,...
I\'m sorry, but this is not a fact, and IMO, is seemingly the opposite. But hey, lets not blow something, that is so apparently trivial, out of proportion.
Welcome to the forums. Seriously. [/B]
thank you zav, and i realize that was just my opinion nothing more nothing less. i can respect your opnion.
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And when I build my next PC, it\'s going to be AMD Thunderbird all the way.
It\'s good to see underdog AMD, for the first time in many years, leading the pack and Intel is now fumbling with a half baked overpriced Pentium 4 which hardly comes near the competition.
They\'ve virtually surrendered the low end market to the AMD Duron by refusing to set the FSB of the Celeron to 100Mhz(where it should be instead of the forced down 66mhz FSB).
And now, they find their best & latest technology couldn\'t compare to EXISTING chip by the competitor...
Serves them right for giving us 66Mhz FSB Celeron for so many years!!!
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Kimathi, I\'m sorry I was so offensive at first. I got the impression you were a X-Box fanboy. Of course its ok for someone to have an opinion, just not here(j/k). I apoligize. However, there is one thing that myself, and as far as I know everyone else on this forum hates and that is seeing a complete newbie insult a regular. In other words, you have to kiss but your first few months ;) Nah, I\'m just kidding. But don\'t act like a a$$hole or like Chrono, one of the most well known and liked people on this board(you see, like that), you will banned before you get to 10 posts.
BTW: I know you were being sarcastic but trust me, over time you will LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE this board. :)
Welcome.
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Originally posted by Paul
And when I build my next PC, it\'s going to be AMD Thunderbird all the way.
It\'s good to see underdog AMD, for the first time in many years, leading the pack and Intel is now fumbling with a half baked overpriced Pentium 4 which hardly comes near the competition.
They\'ve virtually surrendered the low end market to the AMD Duron by refusing to set the FSB of the Celeron to 100Mhz(where it should be instead of the forced down 66mhz FSB).
And now, they find their best & latest technology couldn\'t compare to EXISTING chip by the competitor...
Serves them right for giving us 66Mhz FSB Celeron for so many years!!!
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AMD IS better. I have a crappy arse 233mhz K-6 myself. Which is a pretty good processor itself, but my other crappy arse computer parts well make up for it.
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This is all i\'m gonna say about Xbox getting a new CPU..
If it gets a 1ghz cpu.. The price WILL go up.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
This is all i\'m gonna say about Xbox getting a new CPU..
If it gets a 1ghz cpu.. The price WILL go up.
If Bill Gates breathes, the price will go up :)
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
This is all i\'m gonna say about Xbox getting a new CPU..
If it gets a 1ghz cpu.. The price WILL go up.
....Not only that but, so what if it\'s a 1ghz now, all that means is that the games can run without stuttering...it\'s a friggin computer, a home PC that just has the game part taken out and sold to u for....."one million dollars" :)
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Some of you say that Gamecube or Xbox will overcome the PS2 as soon as they come out, or that they\'ll be better than the PS2, but frankly we don\'t know that, and the way it looks, the PS2 will be the winner of this console war. A lot of people may not agree with me, but think about it. How do YOU know that Nintendo and Microsoft is WAY overhyping their systems????? Screenshots for the PS2 looked REAL nice, but were they the same once you actually got the PS2? no. Do I think that Nintendo and Microsoft\'s systems will be the same way? yes. We don\'t know nothin\' yet, but by the time the Xbox and Gamecube comes out, they\'ll have a lot of catchin up to do.
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It\'s amazing that people post things that they don\'t know what the hell they\'re talking about. Congrats to all you people who aren\'t talking out their ass...
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Only 1 way to tell if a system/game is good: play it. We won\'t know about X or GCube til we play em.
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maybe we could pull the xbox apart and use the p3 and Nvidia gpu in our coms.. lol hehe j/k
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YOUR OPINION. That\'s it. There are plenty of good games coming. My god man, there are 350 developers. Even with just 6 months (it IS a year), there would be some amazing PS2 titles. Besides that, you forget the other advantages of the headstart. More time for marketing, more time to get systems in stores.
Developers have known about the PS2 since March of 1999 and they got development kits later, but the fact is that if there are 350 developers, why haven\'t they released any titles before Christmas. If you haven\'t noticed there is a drought of PS2 games until March of 2001. Thats almost six months after the USA launch of the PS2 dude. Most of the titles out now are from EA. It was basically an EA launch for the PS2. A lot of the problems is that the PS2 is still hard to program for and the games have been delayed because of that reason. I saw a few commercials from Sony, but Sony didn\'t really have to spend a lot to advertise because the media did it for them. Arrogance isn\'t pretty dude.... :)
Just forum freaks like us. Casual gamers don\'t give a damn about XBox; they know nothing of it until the commercials hit. And casuals are 80% of the gaming base (at least). Gamecube has a better shot than XBox - at least some people had the N64 and recognize Nintendo\'s FRANCHISES. What are the XBox\'s franchises? Sorry? Halo? Oddworld (yeah, it did well on PSX)? A bunch of Sony hand me downs to be released later? (MGS, FF) No... XBox\'s exclusives are still new to the casuals. They have to make a name for themselves before dominating anything, and it takes a little while to get your own "franchise" games. The "truth" is this: PSX sold 40 million in the US. PS2 has 350 developers. Casual gamers KNOW Sony\'s franchises. Why in the hell would they wait an extra year? Microsofter\'s who want to keep up the silly domination angle need to PRAY that the shortage continues for the next two years.
All gamers care about games and thats what they care about. If another platform has better games then thats where they will go along with advertising.
Nobody knows about the franchises for the Xbox because Microsoft is holding them secret, but we will eventually. If they have some good ones then people will buy the xbox. It doesn\'t matter if you don\'t like it or not, people will buy it if it has good games. :)
The PSX sold 40 million over six years and after prices dropped and because there were no other good choices, that doesn\'t mean that the PS2 will sell nearly as well, lots of competition this time unlike last time and games sell consoles, if PS2 ends up with games like GameDay 2001, no matter if it was PS2 or not its going to stop selling, games and advertising are everything, the console with the best games and the best advertising wins, end of story.
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Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
Kimathi, I\'m sorry I was so offensive at first. I got the impression you were a X-Box fanboy. Of course its ok for someone to have an opinion, just not here(j/k). I apoligize. However, there is one thing that myself, and as far as I know everyone else on this forum hates and that is seeing a complete newbie insult a regular. In other words, you have to kiss but your first few months ;) Nah, I\'m just kidding. But don\'t act like a a$$hole or like Chrono, one of the most well known and liked people on this board(you see, like that), you will banned before you get to 10 posts.
BTW: I know you were being sarcastic but trust me, over time you will LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE this board. :)
Welcome.
apology accepted snake, and i\'m sorry we got off on the wrong foot and i really was not trying to insult anyone. btw, i was not being sarcastic i like it here, it\'s my kinda place. i will be dropping by from time to time to see how fellow gamers think irregardless of platforms b/c after all, we all love video gaming! thx guys for your time, cya
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
maybe we could pull the xbox apart and use the p3 and Nvidia gpu in our coms.. lol hehe j/k
LOL, yeah!
That way we could get a cheap super-chip from nVidea, RAM, harddrive, PIII processor etc. :laughing:
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Do u know what would be really funny.. If you got a xbox. Opened it... Then saw a motherboard with the Graphics card slotted into a AGP slot. haha.. And the CPU was Socket 7 haha.. That would be a classic. If the Mem was in Simms. :D
Man i would be building a new pc with it. :D
But no this won\'t happen.
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No, unfortunatly not. ;)
It would have been funny though!
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Kimath:
i have carefully researched both consoles to MY satisfaction and i believe i am making an informed decision based on what appeals to me.
Well then, you are not a casual gamer; you\'re an informed consumer. Seriously, if casual gamers didn\'t buy into hype, then why in the world is the PS2 doing so well when the Dreamcast has a better library? I\'ll tell you why: recognition. Besides that, you seem to be making an informed decision based on power. PS2 hasn\'t shown you anything that interests you yet. Have you looked at future releases? By the time XBox launches, the PS2 will have over 150 titles... the XBox, maybe 40. Besides, you have no idea what the XBox launch holds. Hell, for all you know, the PS2 may have 20 games you want by Fall 2001.
Dwarrior:
why haven\'t they released any titles before Christmas. If you haven\'t noticed there is a drought of PS2 games until March of 2001.
Right now there\'s over 40 titles. They are delaying titles until March because, well, nobody has a PS2. There\'s a shortage. Why release all the titles now so they can be forgotten by the time the new systems arrive? They won\'t make money over Christmas. Nintendo pulls the same trick.
All gamers care about games and thats what they care about. If another platform has better games then thats where they will go along with advertising.
This argument bugs me for two reasons. 1: you don\'t know what games XBox will have. Sony has 350 developers and you have no idea what XBox\'s finalized launch list is. Not only that, but by the time XBox arrives, the PS2 will pull a Dreamcast and have a library of over 150 games. How can you argue games are all that matters when you are passing up on both the Dreamcast (175 games) and PS2 (40+ games, 350 developers) because of the XBox\'s specs? Hell, we don\'t even know what XBox will cost.
The PSX sold 40 million over six years and after prices dropped and because there were no other good choices, that doesn\'t mean that the PS2 will sell nearly as well, lots of competition this time unlike last time and games sell consoles
See my response above about games. I\'m not saying that PS2 will dominate. It won\'t, plain and simple. And, there is no way in HELL that the XBox will dominate. PERIOD. This is Microsoft\'s first console. Your first entry into the industry is a chance to make yourself - and your franchises - visible to gamers. But you\'re not going to step in and dominate. NES did it, but what was their competition? SMS? PSX did it, but again, NO COMPETITION. XBox won\'t fail, and they won\'t dominate. As far as the 40 million: that\'s 40 million people that KNOW Sony, that KNOW/previously played Sony\'s exclusive titles. They are not guaranteed sales, but they\'ve all heard of Sony and enjoyed their titles. You don\'t get consumer trust with $500 million in marketing and 100 million polygons. You earn it.
the console with the best games and the best advertising wins, end of story
Again, you ASSUME that the XBox will have better games. Why? How do you know? You don\'t. PS2 may have the best games. Dreamcast may have the best games. Gamecube\'s launch may kick XBox\'s list squarely in the nards. Hell, Gamecube may win. Out of all 4 consoles, Sony has the biggest advantage with those 40 million consumers. I get so frustrated when people who know nothing of XBox\'s games (which haven\'t been finalized) come in here and assume XBox has won. Um, no. PS2 has a tremendous headstart to build up a library, to build up a userbase, and to market their machine. (Dreamcast has a 2 year headstart) Not to mention the fact that 40 million people already have a Sony machine - you can\'t say that counts for nothing. XBox is NOT guaranteed to win. They ARE guaranteed NOT to dominate. But the winner of the war is still up for grabs. You just don\'t give a company like Sony a headstart.
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Surely not a company like Sony to get a headstart, they know the gaming business pretty well now, only been in it for 5 or 6 years, and they know the strings to pull. That\'s why they grabbed 350 developers, that\'s why they are relaunching(for the casual gamer)so that people can keep the hype fresh.
Sony knows what they are doing.
And read the post above me for a better explanation.