PSX5Central
Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Trintius on December 22, 2000, 10:00:35 PM
-
The idea is simple, no flames, arguments or bullsh[/i]it like that. If someone makes a point you disagree with then don\'t, just post your one sentence opinion and ignore all others, also you only need to post once. The point of this is to get many various concise opinions on the possible success of the Sony console and to go as far through the topic as we can without any flames and so forth. Remember just simple one sentence opinions as to why you think Playstation 2 may or may not win the upcomming console war.
I believe Playstation 2 will not the console war due to programming deficiencies and the premise of more capable consoles on the horizon.
-
Yes. Because Stone Cold said so!
-
Yes, SONY has the casual gamers locked down.
-
even though you say no flames.... its going to happen
trin, make a better post please :)
i\'m sick of debating for this year
-
It has the best chance of all the next gen consoles to do so. But we\'ll just have to wait and see.
Personally, I dont think any console will dominate this time around. The competition is way too good.
Even if one console does manage to dominate, it wont be by that much.
-
Trin, haven\'t you realized by now that no one will EVER take anything you say seriously?
-
I think the PS2 will barely come out on top of this war because it will already have a great gaming library out by the time Xbox comes out, it is a video game system and a DVD player all for $300, and the public already has a lot of trust in Sony because of their past success.
-
Well...I think PS2 will win the console-war but however I have to see what X-Box can do...it\'s really the main competitor of Sony...wait and see...
By the time X-Box will be released,PS2 will cost approximately 199-249$,with Great Next-generation games,Great exclusive games,on-line and episode-games,an
installed base of 15-20 millions units and developers are going to understand more and more how to push the Sony\'s wonderful beast and I\'m confident that in a year or two programming the PS2 will become as easy as programming a PSX1...so Microsoft will have to show something really interesting to capture our attention...and...yes...Microsoft can do it...wait and see...
-
Sony will not win. The NGC and the x-box are just too good. No dumb mistakes by anybody this time.
-
PS2 and X-box will be the future consoles and will proberbly boast each other up and both do very well, while dreamcast will become less competion and GC will not get its usual amount of fan buyers me for one. This is just an opinion.
-
Originally posted by Nu Gundam
It has the best chance of all the next gen consoles to do so. But we\'ll just have to wait and see.
Personally, I dont think any console will dominate this time around. The competition is way too good.
Even if one console does manage to dominate, it wont be by that much.
exactly what I say...
-
PS2 will win because it had a year head start. Dreamcast will live on but really isn\'t a potential competitant. Sega really didn\'t have much to begin with cuz even with a year head start of Sony they didn\'t have a very good track record. Sony\'s different though, it has a GOOD REPUTATION towards gamers from the Playstation and will have a whole year to build up a nice library and will have invaded lotsa homes. I know that many people that are waiting for the Gamecube and the Xbox will probably lose their patience and go for the PS2 and probably will be rewarded.
-
Yes ps2 will win. Every non bias site believes it. Sony have the best FAN and usersupport.
-
yes because it has the better games for right now
-
Originally posted by live
yes because it has the better games for right now
Yeah and pigs fly :rolleyes: .
-
No telling who will win the console wars. I think the competition is just too great. One thing I want to point out is to not count Sega Out. The US market is about high quality for low prices and that is exactly what Sega offers. Also, Sega is the only company that is presently online. Can\'t say that about any of the other 3. Sony will grab its share of the market but Microsoft is going to be stiff competition. Last but not least never EVEr count Nintendo out. This is the company that brought us Zelda64.
-
WE all know how kick ass the first playstation was so all the fans of the original psx will also get psx2s when they can get a hold of one. DVD playa that no other system has and you can play all the old psx games on it. IMO psx2 gives dreamcast a swift kick to the nuts.
-
The art of speculation offers little more than an opportunity for fanaticism to be wielded like board with spike through the end.
Success will hopefully be found by the company(s) who delivers the best gaming experience. Right now, the future is nothing more than promises and hype, only time will offer the real conclusions.
-
Originally posted by Mac1
WE all know how kick ass the first playstation was so all the fans of the original psx will also get psx2s when they can get a hold of one. DVD playa that no other system has and you can play all the old psx games on it. IMO psx2 gives dreamcast a swift kick to the nuts.
How much do you know about the Nintendo GameCube and Microsoft XBox? You SHOULD know that there will be a DVD version of the GameCube made by Panasonic, and XBox will have it too as an option.
-
I have researched this and found the following:
As mentioned before, DC is out of it, no chance, never had one.
Gamecube is NOT good, the controller is whacked! only plays mini-dvd\'s. How many mini-dvd\'s are available for hire at your local video store?
X-Box has a chance, although it is just a pc made especially for gaming (has windows interface)
PS2, the greatest of them all. The best developers, games, reputation of the lot. 1st choice!
-
ELASESINO??? Do you understand english??
Post your one sentence opinion and ignore all others!
-
Originally posted by KiLLa
I have researched this and found the following:
As mentioned before, DC is out of it, no chance, never had one.
Gamecube is NOT good, the controller is whacked! only plays mini-dvd\'s. How many mini-dvd\'s are available for hire at your local video store?
X-Box has a chance, although it is just a pc made especially for gaming (has windows interface)
PS2, the greatest of them all. The best developers, games, reputation of the lot. 1st choice!
I\'m not trying to flame you or anything, but it doesn\'t look like you researched this topic too deeply...
The DC has a chance (small, but it has a chance) to become very successful in this console war. They just need people to give them a chance, and if DC continues to do well next year I think that could happen.
LOL how can you judge a system that you haven\'t even played (let alone touched) before??? How is the controller whacked? Miyamoto could fit his hands easily around the controller, yet he is a small man, so please don\'t give me that "It\'s big and clunky" argument. I forgot the website (probably IGN), but they have comparison photos of the GC controller, and other controllers.
Originally posted by KiLLa
How many mini-dvd\'s are available for hire at your local video store?
That is a good question, but I wouldn\'t know because I don\'t look for mini-dvd\'s. But do me a favor and think a while back in the SNES vs. GENESIS days. How many CD\'s (for videogames, and this is before the SEGA CD), or DVD\'s were available for hire at your local video store?
Now the whole Mini-DVD "issue" has nothing to do with me or you. It has to deal with the developers. Instead of going without DVD\'s and with Mini-DVD\'s, Nintendo offers better piracy protection and faster loading times. The negative to this is that it only holds 1.5 GB compared to the DVD\'s 4.8 GB.
I\'m sure that you have a Playstation or a Dreamcast, but have you ever heard of something called a "multi-disk" game? Now, I\'m sure developers had no problem with just going multi-disk last generation, so what is the problem now? Also, it will probably be a while before we see a lot of 4.8 GB games, so right now it isn\'t even an issue.
Originally posted by KiLLa
X-Box has a chance, although it is just a pc made especially for gaming (has windows interface)
Did you know that the PS2 has many components that are found in computers? Heck, that is why Suddam Hussein is importing them in from the U.S., so he can use them to guide missiles. Dreamcast has a form of windows also, but I don\'t see you making a big deal about that at all.
Originally posted by KiLLa
PS2, the greatest of them all. The best developers, games, reputation of the lot. 1st choice!
Do you mean the best third party developers? XBox has gotten almost all of the big 3rd parties developing for it, and GameCube is gathering 3rd parties by the day.
Excerpt From IGN\'s GameCube FAQ:
What third-parties are supporting the console, and with what?
Acclaim Entertainment -- Company president Greg Fischbach has already announced plans to support the Gamecube console.
Activision -- Has announced it will support Nintendo Gamecube.
Capcom Entertainment -- Working on a Gamecube version of Resident Evil 0.
Electronic Arts -- EA Canada has already received working development hardware and is benchmarking the Gamecube\'s performance. IGNcube can confirm at least two projects already underway by the company. Read about EA Canada\'s benchmark tests right here.
Factor 5 -- Has two Gamecube titles underway -- Thornado, a 3D action shooter, and Star Wars Rogue Squadron Cube -- click on the link and be blown away.
Konami -- Several projects underway for Nintendo Gamecube. Also has deal with Universal Interactive to release Gamecube titles based on The Thing, Jurassic Park III and -- believe it or not -- Crash Bandicoot.
Infogrames -- Has announced that it has more than five projects underway for Nintendo Gamecube, but has not commented on what they are.
Midway Games -- Currently in planning stages for Nintendo Gamecube project.
Paradigm Entertainment -- Has several projects planned for Nintendo Gamecube.
Titus Software -- Multiple projects underway for Gamecube, one of which is rumored to be a next-generation Robocop game.
Take-Two Interactive -- Has said it will support Nintendo Gamecube with software.
THQ -- Has already confirmed development of a Rugrats title for Gamecube. The firm is also working on Tetris and a new
WWF wrestling game for the system.
Ubi Soft -- Has announced it will support Nintendo Gamecube.
3DO -- Company president Trip Hawkins confirmed that the 3DO will be creating software for Nintendo\'s next-generation console.
http://cube.ign.com/news/23749.html#thirdparty
This doesn\'t even include all of the developers that are under NDA contracts.
Oh and by the way, welcome to the forums :)
-
Originally posted by gamer2000
Sony will not win. The NGC and the x-box are just too good. No dumb mistakes by anybody this time.
Your just saying that because they will be newer, right now, DC is not that far behind from PS2.
-
You know, Trintius\'s initial intention witht his topic has been battered and is no longer aplicible to this topic. Too many people ignore the sole intention...
:)
-
As long the system has good games I\'ll buy it. By the looks of it PS2 and Xbox will have good games.
-
Originally posted by M4
You know, Trintius\'s initial intention witht his topic has been battered and is no longer aplicible to this topic. Too many people ignore the sole intention...
:)
Sorry, I\'m just use to long debates and stuff from Nintendonation and Nintendose. I guess it is a bad habit...
-
Your just saying that because they will be newer, right now, DC is not that far behind from PS2. [/B][/QUOTE]
Right now, Dreamcast is way ahead of PS2. PS2 had its chance this holiday season to put Dreamcast in its grave. That did not happen.
-
It\'s most likely PS2 with NGC coming in second. A lot of people will have a PS2 by the time the Xbox and the Gamecube come out and PS2 has something like 96% of all Xbox developers.
-
Originally posted by ChocoboSquared
It\'s most likely PS2 with NGC coming in second. A lot of people will have a PS2 by the time the Xbox and the Gamecube come out and PS2 has something like 96% of all Xbox developers.
I have to disagree. With most of the consoles sales being made in 4th quarter and PS2 really missing out this holiday season, I think that XBox and Gamecube will (if there are enough consoles) sell through the roof.
-
Yes I think PS2 will win because it has the idiot fan base(90 % of gamers are idiots) completly intact.It shouldn\'t win due to its problems,but it will.:)
BTW-what the **** does this have to due with console debating?It belongs in the main forum.
-
Were debating weather the PS2 will come out on top, apprently it will. AVG5, I disagree with you, no system even matched up to the PS2\'s hype. For a while DC had that "it\'s thinking" or whatever, but now console ads are slim to none, and well, it just won\'t make it to the top again. Don\'t get me wrong, it\'s a great system with great games, but the fans have been swong by Sony because Sony has mastered everything in the technological world. DC will destroy X-Box though. PS2, has everything going for it, third parties make a strong impression on a system, apparently you haven\'t noticed. There\'s nothing wrong with DC, it\'s not going to last as long as PS2 will. I think by the end of 2002, we\'ll be hearing news about a new Sega system... just my opinion.
-
Originally posted by TheOneBillyGunn
Were debating weather the PS2 will come out on top, apprently it will. AVG5, I disagree with you, no system even matched up to the PS2\'s hype. For a while DC had that "it\'s thinking" or whatever, but now console ads are slim to none, and well, it just won\'t make it to the top again. Don\'t get me wrong, it\'s a great system with great games, but the fans have been swong by Sony because Sony has mastered everything in the technological world. DC will destroy X-Box though. PS2, has everything going for it, third parties make a strong impression on a system, apparently you haven\'t noticed. There\'s nothing wrong with DC, it\'s not going to last as long as PS2 will. I think by the end of 2002, we\'ll be hearing news about a new Sega system... just my opinion.
TheOneBillyGunn, I here what you are saying but I\'m going to have to disagree. I think DC will survive for some time to come. As far as PS2 goes, I think it will do well but it will not have the huge market dominance the PS1 had. And again, I think the XBox will cause a huge splash. It has an impressive amount of announced developers and it will eventually have almost every developer working for it that PS2 has. The powerful 250 Mhz NV2A GPU and the Hard Drive will make this baby hard to resist. With such huge developer support (strong rumors of Squaresoft and EA is already on board) and the 500 million dollar marketing campaign, there is no way, IMO, that XBox will fail (unless if MS tries to launch the system at $599.99).
-
I can\'t yet say will PS2 win or not, but I gotta say that time between the PS2\'s launch and the launch of Xbox and NGC doesn\'t count because if you\'re a Nintendo or Microsoft fan year is nothing to wait; and due to lack of PS2\'s in the markets it\'s up to you to make the decision :)
-
AVG25, a lot of people will abandon the Xbox because they think it\'s a PC port machine, A LOT. Microsoft\'s bad reputation come into play as well.....
This console war is gonna be basically between the PS2 and the Gamecube and PS2 is gonna come out on top because of major hype lotsa developers, and because it will probably have a pretty nice library before the Gamecube is released.
-
Yes PS2 will win....has DVD playback, can play both PSOne and PS2 games and a million players already have PSOne so they have that advantage over the Xbox and GameCube is geared toward a different age group.
-
PS2 is getting strong backup because PSone is an ad. that stays and still sells. It advertizes PS2 on its own; PS2 has large fan and user-base and ppl don\'t really care about little jaggie here and there if it comes down to games.
I had to add that :)
But I said nothing about PS2 winning the war... it just has strong possibilities to do so.
-
I guess people don\'t know what one sentence answers mean. :laughing:
- dm
-
first of all, i think sony wil win. they hav great developers-which leads to great games.
ay, i got pics of each consoles controllers-just dont know how 2 post it - a little help?
(GC\'s controller sux, x-box kinda copied PS2)
-
Originally posted by GameRiader
first of all, i think sony wil win. they hav great developers-which leads to great games.
ay, i got pics of each consoles controllers-just dont know how 2 post it - a little help?
(GC\'s controller sux, x-box kinda copied PS2)
You can\'t have pictures of the Xbox controller. It hasn\'t been displayed yet. Only mock-ups and fake pictures.
-
Yes, PS2 will win and the reason is public opinion.
-
Ps2, Xbox, & Gamecube all have a good chance of becoming #1, its too early to tell right now.
-
Originally posted by ChocoboSquared
AVG25, a lot of people will abandon the Xbox because they think it\'s a PC port machine, A LOT. Microsoft\'s bad reputation come into play as well.....
This console war is gonna be basically between the PS2 and the Gamecube and PS2 is gonna come out on top because of major hype lotsa developers, and because it will probably have a pretty nice library before the Gamecube is released.
Maybe ChocoboSquared, a LOT of people will abandon the XBox, but I highly doubt it. I think in Fall 2001 people will be ready for something new and that means great news for Nintendo and Microsoft. There are so many developers flocking to XBox it\'s not even funny. Plus, XBox has a huge amount of PC developer support who will make exclusive content for the XBox. E3 2001 will be a great time for videogames. Sega, Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft will show there guns.
-
I\'ve been reading your replies to this post and I discovered you only talk about games. The electronic industry will NOT settle for a gaming console only, but nowadays it demands more.. The through nature of the console should be a central upgradeable unit which can provide Entertainment like playing games, home cinema, but also more serious tasks as running Office Suits... Electronic agenda\'s, Email&WAP applications like GroupWise, Multiple Operating System support. The whole concept of 1 console doing various tasks at the same time was the true concept of the Playstation, but Sony could never calculate so much dissapointments at the some time.. Incompatible software due to bad and Louzy programming which is entirely the responsibility of the Game design industry. Nor the lack of the materials needed the build the console which causes too much delays on the market. The only way out now is start rapidly deploying some other projects like Connectivity to the net, and work around the demands of the E-Commerce. This war could only be won when the REAL supporters of this console would help making this product more serious instead of whinning and complaining when the new version of Tekken will be released.....
D^R
-
damn................
anyways, living-in-clip, i got \'mock\' pics of each console\'s controller-sum1 just tell me how 2 post \'em.
-
Originally posted by daemon_root
I\'ve been reading your replies to this post and I discovered you only talk about games. The electronic industry will NOT settle for a gaming console only, but nowadays it demands more.. The through nature of the console should be a central upgradeable unit which can provide Entertainment like playing games, home cinema, but also more serious tasks as running Office Suits... Electronic agenda\'s, Email&WAP applications like GroupWise, Multiple Operating System support. The whole concept of 1 console doing various tasks at the same time was the true concept of the Playstation, but Sony could never calculate so much dissapointments at the some time.. Incompatible software due to bad and Louzy programming which is entirely the responsibility of the Game design industry. Nor the lack of the materials needed the build the console which causes too much delays on the market. The only way out now is start rapidly deploying some other projects like Connectivity to the net, and work around the demands of the E-Commerce. This war could only be won when the REAL supporters of this console would help making this product more serious instead of whinning and complaining when the new version of Tekken will be released.....
D^R
Good theory. Problem is, alot of people don\'t want all these extras. Home computers are the normal now. Why do you need a game system that does these things? Not to mention, it is that, a GAME SYSTEM. Not a home computer. People who buy it, buy it for games. Not for running an office suit.
Sony is not the first to try and make a "computer entertainment system". Trip Hawkins did it with his 3D0 idea. It didn\'t work. The people wanted games. Not PHOTOCDS or whatever.
If you want something to run MS OFFICE or whatever, buy a computer. Not a game system. You may as well expect your VCR or DVD player to start running complex applications and such.
-
Originally posted by daemon_root
I\'ve been reading your replies to this post and I discovered you only talk about games.
Umm thats what the system is about. Games man.. Did u buy the ps2 thinking you could use it as a printer?
The electronic industry will NOT settle for a gaming console only, but nowadays it demands more..
Umm they will if they know its only ment too be for GAMING.
The through nature of the console should be a central upgradeable unit which can provide Entertainment like playing games, home cinema, but also more serious tasks as running Office Suits...
PS2 = Games and Home cinema. But running office suites?.. Umm ok :rolleyes:
Electronic agenda\'s, Email&WAP applications like
groupWise, Multiple Operating System support. The whole concept of 1 console doing various tasks at the same time was the true concept of the Playstation, but Sony could never calculate so much dissapointments at the some time.. Incompatible software due to bad and Louzy programming which is entirely the responsibility of the Game design industry.
Yea sony wanted a system that could do more then 1 task. But they didn\'t want a pc man. Get a pc if your after all this other crap.
Nor the lack of the materials needed the build the console which causes too much delays on the market.
Every console has some delays man.. It\'s never gonna change.
The only way out now is start rapidly deploying some other projects like Connectivity to the net, and work around the demands of the E-Commerce.
LOL good one man.. Sonys support is high enough already they don\'t have too get out of anything.
This war could only be won when the REAL supporters of this console would help making this product more serious instead of whinning and complaining when the new version of Tekken will be released.....
So the real 75 million supports of psx made it win.. LOL good one man. Its about games.. Psx had the MOST and best games.. So it came ahead. If it was as u say.. N64 or Saturn would have won easily. Because they already had fan support at the start.
Sony has Full developer support. Great Usersupport. There not gonna fail man.. Its not a pc man.. Its a GAMING CONSOLE.
[Edited by §ôµÏG®ïñD on 12-26-2000 at 11:41 PM]
-
I want to add one more thing.
You want all that..GET AN INDREAMA! NOT A PS2!
-
well people i sit here and laugh to myself after reading some of these replies. 1st of all dreamcast doesnt have a prayer in this war of consoles not a prayer! no sports games out there can top easports period. ive played dreamcast and it dont have as good graphics or game speed as ps2.so it was shot out of the water even before making the point about not being a dvd player.ps2 totally blows dreamcast away, fact!
now x-box may be the only contender, and i repeat may, but i serously doubt it.gamecube wont fly just as dreamcast didnt. ps2 is the best gaming console to date, no if, ands or buts!it is fact, it sold as soon as it hit the stores and people are paying up to $1000 and are totaly saticified! now facts are facts ,you cant argue facts, i mean grass is green and water is wet no matter how much you disagree its fact. same goes for ps2 ,its the best so far period. when it comes to graphics, gameplay and the fact its a dvd player, no other even compares so far and that is fact!
-
Ok kewlkev,I better eat your post word for word before someone else does...
well people i sit here and laugh to myself after reading some of these replies
Well it should interest you to know that I found your reply the most hilarious in PSX2Central history.Yes,you have the honor of being a funny dumb ass,take a bow kid.:)
1st of all dreamcast doesnt have a prayer in this war of consoles not a prayer!
Yes it does(I\'m trying very hard not to flame this guy,bare with me).With over 3 million people constantly supporting, it will be around for another 2 years.Making it a successful console.Sure it won\'t win,but it won\'t fail.
no sports games out there can top easports period.
ROLF****INGMAO!!!!Are you actually being serious?If you are then I suggest jumping off a cliff,you won\'t make it through life with that intelligence.
Yes someone will mention to me that this is his opinion,his biased insane opinion is the correct term.I own a DC(for 2 days and counting),I have NFL2K and NBA2K(and THPS2 but I\'ll leave it out of the picture for now)(got the sports bundle,what a surprise).These are honestly the best sports games that I have ever played.The amount of realism is amazing.EA sports games are always un-realistic and easy. These games are more complexe and challenging.Trust me, EA sports suck hairy penis compared to Sega Sports.Anyone desagree?I doubt it.
ive played dreamcast and it dont have as good graphics or game speed as ps2
Are you playing the old games or the new games cause the new ones are very much on par with PS2 graphics.:)
so it was shot out of the water even before making the point about not being a dvd player
....I\'ll leave you alone on that.Mainly because you don\'t make any sense.:)
ps2 totally blows dreamcast away, fact!
Fact?Opinion is the word your searching for.In my opinion DC blows away PS2 in every catagorie there is.
now x-box may be the only contender, and i repeat may, but i serously doubt it.
Why do you think this?Please tell me,I want another good laugh.
gamecube wont fly just as dreamcast didnt
Why do you think this?N64 sold over 35 million units,surely most of those people will return to buy a GameCube.So how could you possibly think this way?
ps2 is the best gaming console to date, no if, ands or buts!it is fact
LOL!Another twisted opinion by yourself!PS2 is an over rated,over hyped,,over heating,and over priced DVD player at the moment.Soon it will get better,but now its not worth the money.
it sold as soon as it hit the stores
Wow so did N64 for the first two months.Big ****ing deal. Every system does.
and people are paying up to $1000 and are totaly saticified!
There has never been anyone who paid over 800 for their PS2,FACT.What are you trying to prove?
now facts are facts ,you cant argue facts.i mean grass is green and water is wet no matter how much you disagree its fact.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.You have only stated your opinion and nothing but your opinion.Your opinion is not a fact,never.*insert flame here*
same goes for ps2 ,its the best so far period. when it comes to graphics, gameplay and the fact its a dvd player
1.GameCube and X-Box will have far superior graphics than PS2.
2.Far better gameplay.(not X-Box,and I am aware that this is my opinion,no quotes anyone)
3.There are cheap,and higher quality DVD players out there.
[/quote] no other even compares so far and that is fact![/quote]
Its not a fact,its another one of your twisted opinions. ITS NOT FACT.NOTHING YOU SAID IN YOUR POST WAS FACT,IT WAS YOUR OPINION,nothing more nothing less.
I suggest you think before you post next time dood.
-
PS2 WILL NOT WIN BECAUSE IT HAS TOO MANY BUGS IN TH MACHINE
-
Originally posted by AVG25
TheOneBillyGunn, I here what you are saying but I\'m going to have to disagree. I think DC will survive for some time to come. As far as PS2 goes, I think it will do well but it will not have the huge market dominance the PS1 had. And again, I think the XBox will cause a huge splash. It has an impressive amount of announced developers and it will eventually have almost every developer working for it that PS2 has. The powerful 250 Mhz NV2A GPU and the Hard Drive will make this baby hard to resist. With such huge developer support (strong rumors of Squaresoft and EA is already on board) and the 500 million dollar marketing campaign, there is no way, IMO, that XBox will fail (unless if MS tries to launch the system at $599.99).
[/B]
You are so wrong what about the casual gamer(Which Sony already has intact). They do not give a damn about some stupid hardrive, they will barely use the hardrive. ThQ has already announced they will not do online play for wrestling games. They haven\'t announced why, but I know, it\'s the casual gamer that worries them. Do not get me started on developers Sony has over 350 developers already in tact, that\'s why they released new development kits because they want all of them to make games for them. Do you really think Sony gives a damn about Square developing games for X-Box "NO", why because Square will have more exclusives on the PS2. That\'s all I hear Square this, Square that. Do they give a **** about you.....
It doesn\'t come down to specs, hardrive, etc, it\'s all about the games. Casual gamers do not want anything revolutionary.
-
Amen.
-
Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Originally posted by daemon_root
I\'ve been reading your replies to this post and I discovered you only talk about games.
Umm thats what the system is about. Games man.. Did u buy the ps2 thinking you could use it as a printer?
Nope.. that\'s NOT what the system is about.. did you read the whitepapers on the PS2 project? The entire system concept is/was creating 1 console that could create a 3d multitasking environment where multiple tasks like running entertainment but also has a professional media support.
PS2 = Games and Home cinema.
But running office suites?.. Umm ok
Jep.. in technical terms a simple mail client or messenger also falls under (Home)Office suites and if you had read the whitepapers on Packetstorm you should know that they already working on a PS2 browser and Messenger... a Presentation suite for E-Commerce. :-)
Electronic agenda\'s, Email&WAP applications like
groupWise, Multiple Operating System support. The whole concept of 1 console doing various tasks at the same time was the true concept of the Playstation, but Sony could never calculate so much dissapointments at the some time.. Incompatible software due to bad and Louzy programming which is entirely the responsibility of the Game design industry.
Yea sony wanted a system that could do more then 1 task. But they didn\'t want a pc man. Get a pc if your after all this other crap.
Nor the lack of the materials needed the build the console which causes too much delays on the market.
Every console has some delays man.. It\'s never gonna change.
Sony has Full developer support. Great Usersupport. There not gonna fail man.. Its not a pc man.. Its a GAMING CONSOLE.
Good Dev support? not really.. otherwise explains why some many game developing companies how to adapt their product about 38 times to make it compatible with the PS2... The PS2 is a Personal Computer.. it\'s made to be compatible with the user? Why do you think the PS2 Harddrive, FireWire Modem support, The WAP and Mobile phone support, The USB Keyboard, Mouse connectors are for? not for some extra options for gameplay.. :-)
Facts: The game industry can make 26.302 US dollars per minute... The E-Bizz can maken 98.370 US dolars per minute... where do you think Sony is going for? :-)
PS: Did ya get Ghost allready? grin :-)
D^R
-
well old jumpman got alittle jumpy there. lol. whats amatter boy ya gotta terd cross ways? n64 never gave ps any competition , ps sold twice the consoles.fact! dreamcast sucks bigtime and i played NFL2K1 ,game sucked compared to PS2 Madden2001. My neighbor ,who has DC and the game, is always wanting to play me or my son on our PS2 Madden2001. He told my son he didnt like his DC now that he seen PS2. and trust me theres thousands more just like him. so boy you need to get your head out of your little ass and wake up to reality son !
-
koolkev:
http://www.gamerankings.com
A website dedicated purely to game reviews. If you have a minute during your busy hatefilled day, I\'d appreciate it if you\'d mosey on over and do a search for both NFL2k1 and Madden 2001. Then I\'d like you to look at a compiled list of reviews for both titles. Reviews from unbiased, multi-platform sites like EGM, Gamers Republic, Next Gen, Gamefan, etc etc. Got it? Good. Now I\'d like you to notice that, overall, NFL2k1 has a higher rating that Madden 2001. Better yet, MSNBC posted a review of the two titles that lists NFL2k1 as the superior game visually (because of it\'s character models). You know what? You\'re not going to do that - I know you won\'t. So, here are the two specific links.
NFL2k1: 96 http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/3405.asp
Madden 2001: 91 http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/3403.asp
Ouch. That stings.
When you\'re done with that, maybe you\'d like to consider not being so harsh towards the Dreamcast. It\'s really uncalled for. Now then, I\'ve given you a link from game reviewing professionals - people who judge games for a living - listing NFL2k1 as being at least comparable to Madden 2001. I\'d appreciate a link from you showing that Madden blows it away or that the Dreamcast sucks "bigtime". Until you provide that link, then I see your post as nothing but opinion - which is completely worthless. Hell, I could have the "opinion" that QB Club is better than Madden or that Spawn on PSX is better than Final Fantasy 9... see? Absolutely worthless and having no merit whatsoever. Your other option is to start badgering the editors and webmasters of all those sites and reminding them of how much Dreamcast sucks bigtime and how much EA Sports blows Sega sports away.
I proved my point. Now prove me wrong.
-
let me tell you something there ktulu or whatever your name is, your telling me thats just my opinion but you want me to go to a couple of websites and take their opinion as fact? you freakin idiot,you can find websites all day on opinions favoring both games or both consoles for that matter dum ass. im judging from personal experience not someone elses word and dreamcast aint even close to PS2,gamacube or X-box. theyre all 3 way out of dreamcasts league. The big debate is between them 3 not dreamcast with its skinny ass players in NFL2K1. Whats wrong with you boy!?!
-
LOL koolkev,you flamed me(a pittyful attempt I might add), that was a huge mistake.But I shouldn\'t go to hard on you, after all,you are only another dumb **** newbie talking **** with no facts to back you up.:)
well old jumpman got alittle jumpy there. lol.
What are you,a red-neck?You sure sound like one.No offense.
n64 never gave ps any competition , ps sold twice the consoles.fact!
WOW koolKunt you actually made a real fact!Congradulation idiot!But what the **** did that have to do with what we were talking about?NOTHING.It was just more mindless rambling.
[/quote] dreamcast sucks bigtime and i played NFL2K1 ,game sucked compared to PS2 Madden2001[/quote]
That is your opinion,not everyone elses.It means nothing, I think NFL2K is 10X better than any Madden game to date,but hey thats just my unbiased opinion.
My neighbor ,who has DC and the game, is always wanting to play me or my son on our PS2 Madden2001.
LOL!You have a son?For your age you are one dumb mutha ****a.I\'m 14 and old enough to out-smart you!This is hilarious!You should feel pretty discouraged now.
Back to what you said-wow my friends are always begging me to play NFL2K and NBA2K.And one of my friends has PS2 and admits that NFL2K is better gameplay wise than Madden 2001 for PS2.
He told my son he didnt like his DC now that he seen PS2. and trust me theres thousands more just like him.
Trust a biased Sony fanboy like you?I take anyones word over yours fool.How do you know there are more like him? Answer-you don\'t.Just another dumb ass assumptions by yourself.How many is that now?
so boy you need to get your head out of your little ass and wake up to reality son !
LOL!I still can\'t get over the fact that you have a son! What a freaking retard he must be if he\'s anything like his dad.
I\'ll leave you alone with Ktulu,koolkev.He is also capable of making you look like a complete idiot.Hell anyone is with your intelligence.
-
hey jumpboy, i really seem to be pissin you off, oh well. lol. you wanna talk trash about my 8 yr old son? he could probably kick your wimpy ass. your probably one of them fags that like little boys though. well back to the subject of console war. PS2 is the best and Dreamcast sux! and that is proven fact! Now im not sure about x-box or the cube yet, but it sure looks like cube may fall behind ,as did dreamcast, because it lacks dvd capabilities and that is a must! FACT! so it is between x-box and PS2 . case closed ,its all facts!
-
Why don\'t you be a man and reply without flames.
your telling me thats just my opinion but you want me to go to a couple of websites and take their opinion as fact? you freakin idiot,you can find websites all day on opinions favoring both games or both consoles for that matter dum ass
Funny thing there. That website I gave you lists an OVERALL ranking for the games based on the main websites. Not just one or two here and there. That\'s the main one. ALL OF THEM. Understand? You gave me your hatah attitude about Dreamcast sucking, and I provided you with a link proving otherwise. Now, you can either flame me again, or raise yourself up and give me a link proving me wrong. Come on. Show me some professionals in the industry that share your view that Madden blows NFL2k1 away - or that the Dreamcast sucks. Until you do: you\'ll just have to go to sleep tonight knowing that you are wrong. Dreamcast does not suck... Madden does not "blow" NFL2k1 away. FACT.
There\'s a difference between defending your own console and attacking another. Maybe you should look into it. I just don\'t understand why people have to behave like jackasses and flame consoles like that.
-
ktulu, i told you in that other forum ,LOL, im just stirrin up excitement(or trouble) dont be offended, im just being ornery. im new on this forum and when i 1st arrived i read old forums and got a kick outta how pissed off people got.LOL, i couldnt believe it,LOL. but i have to settle down cause im upsettin people and offending people. Its unbelievable how upset people get over stupid stuff like what freakin game is best! LOL. oh and p.s. PS2 is the BEST, LOL.
-
i cant wait til i get kicked out. dat\'ll b funny as hell.
-
go gettem gameraider,its funny watching them get all pissed off tryin to defend that weak ass dreamcast piece of chit.
-
hey jumpboy, i really seem to be pissin you off, oh well. lol.
LOL.Your not pissing me off at all,your just amuzing.I love making you look like a fool.
you wanna talk trash about my 8 yr old son? he could probably kick your wimpy ass.
Sure he could.If I ever came in contact with that little, ugly,reatarded,dirty retard then I would ****ing kill him. I\'d leave him bloody and on the ground.I\'ll leave the the testicle eating for you though.:laugh:
your probably one of them fags that like little boys though.
Another stupid assumption by yourself.Can\'t you do any better than that?This is too easy,I\'m 14,and making you look bad.Your such a joke.
well back to the subject of console war
Let me guess what will happen next:You will give you uneducated,twisted opinion some more....
PS2 is the best and Dreamcast sux!
...Lucky guess.:) Why don\'t you explain your reasons?I need another laugh.
that is proven fact!
It most certainly is not.The fact is that DC is cheaper,has a lot more games(best high quality game ratio ever),online play already available...I think DC is better.The REAL facts show it too.And you can\'t argue with them.Well you can but you would just make yourself look even more stupid.
Now im not sure about x-box or the cube yet,
THATS BECAUSE YOU DON\'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM you anus licking gimp.
but it sure looks like cube may fall behind ,as did dreamcast, because it lacks dvd capabilities and that is a must!
No its not.DC is doing better than the PS2 right now game sales wise.Its already been successful without DVD.GameCube will be the same way.You have nothong to back your case up.
Also,PS2 DVD featured has backfired on them.People are buying DVDs over games,meaning a loss of money for Sony.I think Sega and Nintendo made a smart move by not including DVD playback.
FACT!
Your son is a ugly retarded nerd.Fact.You are a idiot.Fact. But what you just said is not fact,it was opinion,get that through your head.You can\'t state your opinion as fact.
so it is between x-box and PS2 .
X-Box doesn\'t have built-in DVD playpack.Why do you figure this?
case closed ,its all facts!
Its all opinions!Not facts.Understand you blind moron?
I think I\'ll step out now.I\'ve been flamming again and it might get me in trouble.Besides,everyone knows this guy is a joke,noone should take him seriously.Just ignore his kind(the mentally challenged kind).
-
I AM THAT DAMN GOOD!
-
OMG, this is a sick thread. :laughing:
Gamers will win the \'console war\'. So stop *****ing people.
-
Originally posted by daemon_root
Nope.. that\'s NOT what the system is about.. did you read the whitepapers on the PS2 project? The entire system concept is/was creating 1 console that could create a 3d multitasking environment where multiple tasks like running entertainment but also has a professional media support.
No sorry i didn\'t. I read what sony said they wanted there system too be. What they said is.. They wanted a GAMING system that targets gamers. They also added that the DVD in the ps2 could attract more people too there system. Sony DID not want a PC. They wanted a CONSOLE machine that has DVD. So developers could use its DVD for more storage media.
Jep.. in technical terms a simple mail client or messenger also falls under (Home)Office suites and if you had read the whitepapers on Packetstorm you should know that they already working on a PS2 browser and Messenger... a Presentation suite for E-Commerce. :-)
Maybe they are, But ps2 wasn\'t made for just internet browsing man. Its a GAMING MACHINE, ITS A CONSOLE. Do u UNDERSTAND that man. Its MOSTLY for gaming.
Good Dev support? not really.. otherwise explains why some many game developing companies how to adapt their product about 38 times to make it compatible with the PS2... The PS2 is a Personal Computer.. [/qoute] hahaha good one man.. LOL.. So umm why is it in the CONSOLE war.
it\'s made to be compatible with the user? Why do you think the PS2 Harddrive, FireWire Modem support, The WAP and Mobile phone support, The USB Keyboard, Mouse connectors are for? not for some extra options for gameplay.. :-)
YESS u got it.. FOR GAMING. The system was MADE for gaming.. The USB ports were for Mice and Keyboard. But probley mostly for FPS type games.. RTS games.
The reason why PS2 will get the Internet addon and HD addon is for JUST GAMING.. To play gaming ONLINE. Not to do your Homework, researching etc. Even though u will probley be able. Sony wanted ONLINE gaming. Thats the WHOLE idea of the PS2 Eithernet.. Tell me.. Can u use your PC without a HD, Mouse and keyboard... I can use my PS2 without them.. So how is it a pc.. What because they have SOME ADDONS.. Come one man.
Facts: The game industry can make 26.302 US dollars per minute... The E-Bizz can maken 98.370 US dolars per minute... where do you think Sony is going for? :-)
They want money too. So what.. So that means the ps2 is a pc.. FACT. The ps2 is a CONSOLE.. Fact the PS2 isn\'t a PC..
Fact the ps2 doesn\'t need EITHERNET OR A HD..
Fact The ps2 can run WITHOUT a HD, Keyboard and Mouse.
PS: Did ya get Ghost allready? grin :-)
D^R
No i did not. I prefer clean installs. Not just a image of my system or a program that uses reg too fix files.
PS2 IS NOT A PC. IT IS A CONSOLE
-
Question: will psx2 win the console war?
Ans: No, but it will do well
Question: will gcn win the console war?
Ans: No, also it will do well as far as i\'m concern
Queston: will xbox win?
Ans: don\'t know lot about it
Question: will dreamcast win?
Ans: no, so far it\'s doing well
-
hey jumpboy(you say jumpman but your on 14? your balls aint even dropped yet. lol. i bet your voice still squeeks .lol.) whenever i state something as fact then thats what it is ,got it! what i say goes ,you little weesel, got it! now sit down ,shut up and listen. PS2 out sells ,out plays and is an all out better console than Dreamcast,got it. The conpetition is between PS2, X-box and Gamecube,OK, dreamcast aint even in the running. FACT!
-
hey jumpboy(you say jumpman but your on 14? your balls aint even dropped yet. lol. i bet your voice still squeeks .lol.)
LOL.I bet your son is an ugly ****nut with no friend and gets beat up everyday at school(if he\'s smart enough to get in school).I bet you and your wife stop getting action since he was born,were you even the father?Your philfy,dirty,disgusting,2$ hoe of a wife probably did it with someone who\'s penis wasn\'t shrinked to the size of a twig.
(I\'m doing this to show you how pathetic your insults are,mine are much more direct.You just suck at this. :p)
whenever i state something as fact then thats what it is ,got it!
No its not.Its always your opinion.When ever you say FACT then its usually your twisted opinion.GOT IT?
PS2 out sells ,out plays and is an all out better console than Dreamcast,got it. The conpetition is between PS2, X-box and Gamecube,OK, dreamcast aint even in the running. FACT!
You have nothing to back you up.There fore,its worthless. I want to hear why you think this way,I need another good laugh.:)
-
I am not even going to get into this discussion. But I do have to say that Jumpman, you are pretty sorry. You have a problem with koolkev, not his son. I am not sticking up for koolkev, he can do that himself just fine.
But Jumpman, tear down koolkev not somebody that you have never talked with, that is like me making fun of your mom. It\'s lame, I am telling you, this is just pathetic. IMO.
[Edited by 8-P on 12-30-2000 at 06:01 PM]
-
jumpboy, your such a troubled little boy. whats really wrong ? did your daddy molest you? or was it grampa,using a broom stick? well ill tell you once more. when i make a statement i dont need evidence to back it up cause like i told you my word is FACT,got it. ill bet your poor little behind is so reemed out that your farts just fall out. LOL. now lets get back to how excellent PS2 is and how much better it is than dreamcast, remember boy its a proven FACT!
-
jumpboy, your such a troubled little boy. whats really wrong ? did your daddy molest you? or was it grampa,using a broom stick? well ill tell you once more. when i make a statement i dont need evidence to back it up cause like i told you my word is FACT,got it. ill bet your poor little behind is so reemed out that your farts just fall out. LOL. now lets get back to how excellent PS2 is and how much better it is than dreamcast, remember boy its a proven FACT!
Fine 8-P,I\'ll leave him alone,for now.
koolkev-it is your opinion,not fact.It is your opinion that PS2 is better,it is not fact unless you can prove it.
-
Good god. What is this? This thread was so peaceful when it was over at the Main forum. Now its in Console Debating, and its WW2.
Jesus Christ....
What does any of this have to do with Kev\'s son? Why is he attacking Jumpman? Where do all these newbies come from? Why do they constantly flame instead of debate?
Those are the questions that boggle my mind.
-
WOW.. This thread has gone.. Down REALLY fast. Anyway thats enough. I\'m closing the thread now. Were all happy campers here. :D