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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: SonyFan on December 28, 2000, 02:32:02 AM

Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: SonyFan on December 28, 2000, 02:32:02 AM: Alright, check this out. I was on DailyRadar\'s Sega forums posting away, when someone posts news of a new Sega/Nintnedo merger. Turn out the link he provided went to MSNBC where they reported that both Nintnedo & Sega flat out denied any kinds of talks between the two companies. Durring the time when the rumor started and when it was proven false, Sega\'s stock surged 10 points while Nintnedo\'s stock fell 5 points. Seems to reflect well on Nintnedo and rather poorly on Sega don\'t you think?

I tried to point out to the guy who started the post that this was bad news for Sega, and just more ammuntion for the Fanboys to throw around.. but all he cared about was that Sega\'s stock went up 10 points and began calling me a Sony Fanboy who\'s just jelous because we\'re their not talking about the PS2. WTF is up with that?

Some people.. *sigh*
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: ElAsesino on December 28, 2000, 07:16:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SonyFan
Alright, check this out. I was on DailyRadar\'s Sega forums posting away, when someone posts news of a new Sega/Nintnedo merger. Turn out the link he provided went to MSNBC where they reported that both Nintnedo & Sega flat out denied any kinds of talks between the two companies. Durring the time when the rumor started and when it was proven false, Sega\'s stock surged 10 points while Nintnedo\'s stock fell 5 points. Seems to reflect well on Nintnedo and rather poorly on Sega don\'t you think?

I tried to point out to the guy who started the post that this was bad news for Sega, and just more ammuntion for the Fanboys to throw around.. but all he cared about was that Sega\'s stock went up 10 points and began calling me a Sony Fanboy who\'s just jelous because we\'re their not talking about the PS2. WTF is up with that?

Some people.. *sigh*

The only bad things that could happen if those two merged would be: (A) If Nintendo censored Sega\'s games (which I doubt they would do after spending $2 billion in order to acquire them. (B)Sega\'s debt was too much for Nintendo, and pulled both companies down (Only Sony and MS to choose from... bleh). (C)That idiot Yamauchi could put Nintendo\'s internal development teams over Sega\'s, and could anger some Sega people and cause them to leave, thus making the whole merger a waste of money.
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: SonyFan on December 28, 2000, 10:05:08 PM: Yeah, I agree with you for the most of what you said, but you still missed the point of what I was trying to show people.

According to the figures, durring the time the rumor was flying around Sega\'s stock surged. Sega\'s investors and potential investors saw a merger with the more successful Nintnedo as a godsend. If they were to invest in Sega now at roughly 2.00 a share.. then they\'d be making a hell of a lot of money should Nintnedo be able to make Sega a success.
(I invest in a flowndering company and rake in the money when a proven successful company takes control of Sega)

However, Nintnedo\'s stock dropped five points over that period which seems to indicate that Nintnedo shareholders are somewhat scared about the merger with Sega. Perhaps they feel that Sega\'s bad reputation, poor sales, and large debt will hurt Nintnedo more than they can help them. (Oh crap.. here comes Sega. Better get out now before the whole ****house goes up in flames)

Perhaps I\'m over exaggerating and believe me, I hold no ill will towards Sega. I just wanted to point out to that one dude that it wasn\'t good news he was posting about Sega. Not only did it elude to the demise of Sega as they knew it.. but also reinforced the negetive views against Sega.

So much for trying to be nice eh?
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: koolkev on December 30, 2000, 07:26:45 AM: sure is funny that no Dreamcast boys want to reply on this topic, guess you cant argue with the numbers! LOL.
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: Living-In-Clip on December 30, 2000, 06:11:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by koolkev
sure is funny that no Dreamcast boys want to reply on this topic, guess you cant argue with the numbers! LOL.

:rolleyes:

Could it be that it is because we are replying to other threads? Because there is about 20 threads on this freaking topic. Sega and Nintendo both have said it was a mis-translation. And, it was the freaking NEW YORK TIMES that reported the rumour first. And, as I\'ve said in the other threads, if anything they are probally going to develop for the GBA.

And what does it matter if Sega goes third party? Or 2nd party? Some people need to get their heads removed from their ass and remember why we play games. For fun. Not to sit around and argue about what company is going to go in debt soon or not. Or what system kicks the other systems ass. Its about fun. Its about games.

And after reading over your other threads. I\'ve noticed something. You apparently mistook CONSOLE DEBATING for a place to trash other systems and fans of other systems. Thats not the point of it. In all reality (loosely used term on a board) the different fans mix on this board, until someone like you comes along, and makes it a point to just cause arguements. Console Debating is not about fighting or poking fun. Its about debating. There is a big difference in those two things. I advise trying to figure the differences out.
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: Ashford on December 30, 2000, 08:56:26 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SonyFan
Alright, check this out. I was on DailyRadar\'s Sega forums posting away, when someone posts news of a new Sega/Nintnedo merger. Turn out the link he provided went to MSNBC where they reported that both Nintnedo & Sega flat out denied any kinds of talks between the two companies. Durring the time when the rumor started and when it was proven false, Sega\'s stock surged 10 points while Nintnedo\'s stock fell 5 points. Seems to reflect well on Nintnedo and rather poorly on Sega don\'t you think?

I tried to point out to the guy who started the post that this was bad news for Sega, and just more ammuntion for the Fanboys to throw around.. but all he cared about was that Sega\'s stock went up 10 points and began calling me a Sony Fanboy who\'s just jelous because we\'re their not talking about the PS2. WTF is up with that?

Some people.. *sigh*

Huh? If Sega\'s stock goes up and Nintendo\'s goes down, don\'t you mean it reflects well on Sega and rather poorly on Nintendo?

And why would someone call you a Sony Fan Boy for NOT discussing PS2? Kinda like calling someone an alcoholic for being the designated driver at all the parties.
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: hyper on December 30, 2000, 09:56:35 PM: No, SonyFan made a very good diagnosis of the entire situation. I\'m not going to repeat what has already been said, so I\'ll simply quote it:

"According to the figures, durring the time the rumor was flying around Sega\'s stock surged. Sega\'s investors and potential investors saw a merger with the more successful Nintnedo as a godsend. If they were to invest in Sega now at roughly 2.00 a share.. then they\'d be making a hell of a lot of money should Nintnedo be able to make Sega a success.

However, Nintendo\'s stock dropped five points over that period which seems to indicate that Nintnedo shareholders are somewhat scared about the merger with Sega. Perhaps they feel that Sega\'s bad reputation, poor sales, and large debt will hurt Nintnedo more than they can help them."

If I had one thing to argue about that statement though, it would be what SonyFan said about Nintendo. It could be that the investors didn\'t feel too confident about Nintendo\'s financial status as well (in the long-run), and feared that Nintendo would not be able to handle such a large transaction. I would guess that if Microsoft or Sony were to have made such annoucements, stocks would have risen up instead of down for the companies. After all, what is a mere 2 billion dollar check to them, when they practically live in money houses?? I would say this could also point to a shady image for Nintendo.

"And why would someone call you a Sony Fan Boy for NOT discussing PS2? Kinda like calling someone an alcoholic for being the designated driver at all the parties."

I think what he meant was that because the people on that particular forum weren\'t discussing the PS2, and because Sega stocks experienced a sudden surge, that certain forum member mistook SonyFan to be jealous of Sega.

Whoa, 4 posts in one day!! That\'s a record number for me!! I need to get out more. :)

EDIT: Ignorant grammatical errors make me itchy.

[Edited by hyper on 12-31-2000 at 01:07 AM]
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: koolkev on December 30, 2000, 10:00:19 PM: And after reading over your other threads. I\'ve noticed something. You apparently mistook CONSOLE DEBATING for a place to trash other systems and fans of other systems. Thats not the point of it. In all reality (loosely used term on a board) the different fans mix on this board, until someone like you comes along, and makes it a point to just cause arguements. Console Debating is not about fighting or poking fun. Its about debating. There is a big difference in those two things. (Quote from Living-inClip)
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uh, aint arguing and debating basically the same thing? have you ever watched a presidental debate? theyre not always true with theyre facts or polite in theyre confortations. If they were it wouldnt draw any viewers? so lets not pussyfoot around,either put up your dukes or tuck your tail. this is a debating forum , NOW LETS GET IT ON!!!

[Edited by koolkev on 12-31-2000 at 01:04 AM]
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: Living-In-Clip on December 31, 2000, 04:31:13 PM: If this was for fighting, explain why the thread with you and Jumpman got closed. It was because you two was fighting and ruining a perfectly decent thread.

You can debate things without resorting to insulting systems / people.
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: Samwise on January 02, 2001, 01:42:18 PM: Despite all the, um, interesting flaming, here is an article (http://www.dailyradar.co.uk/news/game_news_1554.html) denying the Sega/Nintendo deal.
Title: To put an end to this.
Post by: Living-In-Clip on January 02, 2001, 02:53:20 PM: Quote

Mr. Glenn Kraman
Business Desk, The New York Times

Mr. Howard French
Tokyo Bureau Chief, The New York Times Tokyo Bureau

While Sega has always been fond of The New York Times\' objective coverage of our company, we would like to express our concern over the fallacy that appeared on 12/27/00 regarding Nintendo\'s buy out of Sega. Not only did this erroneous allegation cause the trade of Sega\'s corporate stock to be temporarily suspended while substantially influencing Sega and Nintendo\'s stock prices, it caused unnecessary confusion among stockholders, affiliated companies, business partners, and end-users of both companies. It also severely damaged Sega\'s corporate and brand image during a very precarious time in the videogame industry.

Although top executives of Sega and Nintendo flatly and completely denied the rumor, The New York Times has published yet another article containing similar content on 12/29/00. Such repeated and arbitrary publication of groundless statements is pure harassment and unacceptable obstruction of our business, which we cannot overlook. We believe that The New York Times as a news organization is heavily responsible for this misinformation.

Sega Corporation is requesting that The New York Times immediately run a notification and apology for the fallacious feature in the same scale and manner as the initial article. We expect The New York Times to address this issue in the honorable tradition of a respectable news source by taking the appropriate and responsible measures toward reparations.

Thank you,

Shunichi Nakamura

Corporate Executive Vice President

Sega Corporation of Japan

There... Now, see..Nintendo is not buying Sega.
:)
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: Soul Reaver on January 02, 2001, 05:17:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by koolkev
uh, aint arguing and debating basically the same thing? have you ever watched a presidental debate? theyre not always true with theyre facts or polite in theyre confortations. If they were it wouldnt draw any viewers? so lets not pussyfoot around,either put up your dukes or tuck your tail. this is a debating forum , NOW LETS GET IT ON! [Edited by koolkev on 12-31-2000 at 01:04 AM]

Fighting and debating are both two different things.
Title: Forgive me if I\'m wrong.. but isn\'t this bad news??
Post by: Mac1 on January 03, 2001, 03:34:48 PM: i wish one would buy the other out so that nintendo and sega games would be on the same console. I like nintendo better but on the other hand i love vertural fighter2 and 3, daytona usa, and lots more. i cant afford both so it would be nice...........I havnt even got crono cross or ff9 yet :(