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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: ddaryl on December 30, 2000, 04:33:19 PM
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Hey guys and gals
I bought a new surround system but when I put in Dolby Digital DVDs it doesn\'t switch my receiver over to Dolby Digital mode it stays in Pro-Logic mode
I originally thought my new receiver had a problem but I watched Titan AE on pay-per-view which was broadcast in Dolby Digital though my DD capable Satelite receiver and it worked fine.
So being an amature DVD type person what am I doing wrong ????
I know you guys know so spill da beans
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puh... where to start ?!
1. Allmost all DVDs own a Soundoption were you can chose between DTS, DD or Prologic... try it in the DVD menue
2. As for the PS2, you have to switch the DD, DTS and Mpeg sound to ON in the setup for playing it right...
3. Did you make the right connections (optical or coax cable) ?
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Ok I haven\'t been able to locate the DD option in the DVD menu, but I\'ll look again
Also I thought there was only a surroung on/off option in the PS2 setups. not DD/DTS/Mpeg option that you are mentioning,
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In the DVD menue screen, there must be an option like "Language/Sound" check it out... There must be something like:
Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1 or Dolby Surround !
If the Movie is running, press the Stop Button and search for the Setup Screen (I don´t know what they called it in english... I do only have a german PS2 for rent :D )
After entering it, you can change the Picture (16/9, 4/3...), Sound (that´s what you need) and Parental Lock...
Switch all Sound Options to ON !!!
What about the OPTO Cable ??? Do you have one connected !!!???
[Edited by THE EYE on 12-30-2000 at 10:19 PM]
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Yeah I\'m good to go with the optical cable. I\'m just a DVD amateur, I\'ve only watched 2 DVD\'s in my life so I\'m trying to feel it out
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Several of the studios actually default their DVDs to play in pro-logic and you have to go and change the language to 5.1... I am talking about the menu on the movie, not the PS2...
This may be your prob..
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There\'s three steps you have to take to get DD/DTS output to work with your PS2.
1. Boot the PS2 without a disc and choose System Configuration. Scroll down to the "Digital Out" option and choose ON. This will enable the output.
2. Now, power down and boot up the PS2 with a DVD movie. Wait for the console to automatically start the DVD. Press Select on the controller and select Setup from the menu. Choose Audio Setup from there and make sure that "Audio digital out" is set to on.
3. This step depends on the DVD movie. In the main menu of most DVDs, there is an audio setup menu that you can access to choose the soundtrack type. A lot of movies will actually default to Dolby Surround (2.0). Make sure that you have Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1 selected (depending on what soundtrack the DVD supports).
That should set you up.
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erasmus and the eye had said of what i was about to tell you.
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well I figured out where I was F\'ing up
I had the PS2 set up right but when I hit the select button on the PS2 controller I\'d look for Audio options but nothin would happen. i found another set-up icon looks kinda like Luggage and my options where in there.
One last question what the hell is DTS ?????
Should I turn on all my options or just Dolby Digital ???
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DTS-ES = 6.1
adds a rear center channel that is VERY annoying IMO
u must have a DSP capable of decoding this
mm
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erhm... yes mm, but that was not his question (btw: there also is DD-ES) !
DTS (also 5.1 like DD) is a newer Sound format !!! Not all DVDs have it, only a few...
It works without compression so the Sound is "richer" also your AV Receiver must be able to "understand" that signal !!!
The PS2 can handle it and if your receiver also does, you will have the Sound experience of your live... :D
YES, switch EVERYTHING to ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!
You then don´t have to worry about the Soundformat on your DVD... just choose the one you like !
My favorite is DTS !!! But in repeat, your RECEIVER must be able to handle the DTS Format -> look for the DTS Logo on it ! The same goes for the DVDs, if they have the DTS logo on it, then it´ll work...
HAVE FUN !!! THE AUDIENCE IS LISTENING... :D
(no, please don´t question me about THX.. :laughing: )
Finaly, to make it short...
You must have a DVD with DD (and/or DTS).
You must have a DD (and DTS) Receiver.
You must have 5 speakers (and a Subwoofer).
You must have a DVD Player (PS2 :D ).
You must have a digital cable (Opto for PS2)
You must switch every soundformat/setting to ON.
And now, turn it loud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
[Edited by THE EYE on 12-31-2000 at 03:42 AM]
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while were on the subject, and i know dolbytone [expert] will be reading this.
please explain sony SDDS sound. the theatre by my house showcases this for certain films, and i cant find specs anywhere
mm
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Ok first of all, I forgot who said so, but DTS is a compressed signal, just not as much as Dolby.
SDDS, ah nectar of the gods if you can get it to work right. It\'s a digital soundtrack using the least compressed signal of them all with the most digital information and eight truly discreet channels (L, LC, C, RC, L Surround, R Surround, and LFE) giving you five stage channels rather than the traditional three.
An SDDS signal doesn\'t share data between channels, when it\'s decoded, all the channels are discrete and have their own allotted bandwidth. SRD and DTS both use some sort of data sharing to reduce bit rate (the SDDS bit rate is 2.3Mb/s, DTS is 1.2Mb/s and SRD is 320kb/s).
As I\'ve said before, SDDS to me sounds like a digital sound track with analog properties. By this I mean that it tends to sound more warm and blended than the others. Also, it seems to be really good at fooling you into thinking sound is coming from different areas of the room (where there are no speakers). I swear, SDDS can make you think stuff is flying over your head, much better than SRD or DTS anyway.
I\'ll look through the manuals and if there\'s more neat info I\'ll relay it on to you all.
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damn...
You are the first to help mm out... I was so close ! ;)
This was taken from a very good Home Theatre Sound Site...
mm, you will like it !!! http://www.hometheaterforum.com/
"SDDS-8 uses two additional discrete front channels, for a total of 5 separate channels behind the screen, in addition to the two surround channels and the LFE.
SDDS stands for Sony Dynamic Digital Sound. Most major releases have a SDDS soundtrack encoded on the print, along with the DD 5.1 track, DTS time code and analog soundtrack. Unfortunately very few theaters actually choose to take advantage of this format, since it requires additional decoding equipment and two more speakers behind the screen. In my opinion, a good SDDS soundtrack, played back in a properly set up theater, can sound much better than either Dolby Digital or DTS.
Sony doesn\'t plan to ever make this format available to consumers; they intend on keeping it exclusive to movie theaters. They go into more details about the reasons for this decision (which actually make sense) in the FAQ, available on their web site. I just wish that more theaters would actually use the format..."
Related links:
http://www.sdds.com/
http://www.sdds.com/whatis/q_a.html
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well now doesn\'t this suck the big one, I just got Dolby Digital surround and I already have to upgrade :laughing:
does it ever end !!!!
although my system is capable of DTS I\'m not sure where that 7th speaker would plug in
Thanks alot
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Originally posted by ddaryl
well now doesn\'t this suck the big one, I just got Dolby Digital surround and I already have to upgrade :laughing:
so DTS is just a better format than Dolby Digital. Well at least I won\'t have to upgrade for a little while
does it ever end !!!!
Thanks alot
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under 800$? im assuming yer not talking USD here. my bro got a DTS receiver for xmas, and it only ran 199$ USD. mine was 340$ over a year ago, and the same model is now 250 USD
mm
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under 800$? im assuming yer not talking USD here. my bro got a DTS receiver for xmas, and it only ran 199$ USD. mine was 340$ over a year ago, and the same model is now 250 USD. there are well over 50 DVD\'s that contain DTS soundtracks, just check dvdempire.com. hell, im looking at 3 right now on my desk. Gladiator, Dancing with wolves, and Saving private ryan.
mm
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"Besides, there are VERY few movies released on DVD that actually have 6.1 channel soundtracks (yet, anyway......)."
"There are well over 50 DVD\'s that contain DTS soundtracks..."
mm, DTS does NOT mean 6.1 atomatically !!!
Mainly DTS is 5.1 like DD !!!
(Don´t ya know, or did I get you wrong ?)
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i thought DTS-es was 6.1
i cant hear it as i refuse to plug in my rear center channel
mm
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dts = 5.1
dts-es = 6.1
mm I doubt you found a dts-es compatible receiver for $340. The Denon 5800 & 3801 do this and they cost around $2500 & $800 respectively.
SDDS is great. I\'m actually glad Sony opted not to bring the format to Home Theater; then we\'d have to buy 8 speakers! :D
[Edited by THX on 12-31-2000 at 01:33 PM]
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the gladiator DVD supports DTS - ES
when i play it, the DTS light comes on, this is DTS - ES, no?
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvdempire.com%2FGraphics%2FMovies%2F19159h.jpg&hash=8924c8b186de78469a1611e17eb5e2eec46fbb5d)
:)
mm
[Edited by mm on 12-31-2000 at 01:40 PM]
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I\'m with mm on this ES issue. A really good system don\'t need no stinking ES! ES is just another Lucas brainchild gone rampant through the digital soundtrack world. I hope it goes away.
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i dont even use DTS. as i said, i prefer dd 5.1, cause i hate the rear center channel that 6.1 allows.
mm
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I agree with DolbyTone on the excellent quality of SDDS. We never had problems with it at our theater, but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule. I don\'t think anyone mentioned this, but Jurassic Park in DTS actually has less features than the Dolby Digital version, because it does take up more space on the disc.
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mm- if a light came on that said dts-es then you would have dts-es. :)
Considering you bought your receiver over a year ago you do not have dts-es.
DTS Announces DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 Audio Standard
June 15, 2000 – DTS today formally announced a new program for the implementation of the DTS-ES Extended Surround Format for home theaters. The DTS-ES program includes the introduction of the new DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 format, which employs a new, proprietary technology for the playback of discrete, 6.1-channel content from DVDs and CDs. This latest innovation from DTS is the first of its kind, and it elevates the performance standard for playback of the DTS 6.1-channel Extended Surround format introduced in motion picture theaters last year. Content mixed especially for DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 will be available later this summer.
The new Denon AVR-5800 A/V Surround Receiver is the world’s first audio component to feature DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 decoding. It is powered by two Analog Devices SHARC® 32 bit floating point DSP processors—the most advanced DSP devices on the market—along with 16 of Analog Devices’ reference AD-1853 24 bit/192 kHz DACs. This is the first DSP implementation to support the DTS-ES program. The new AVR-5800 A/V receiver also features DTS-ES Matrix 6.1, DTS Neo:6, Dolby Digital®, THX™ Surround EX® and Dolby® Pro Logic® decoding, as well as THX 5.1 and 4.0 post-processing, a variety of additional DSP modes and stereo audio. The Denon AVR-5800 will begin shipping August 2000.
http://www.dtsonline.com/consumer/061500.html
Do you even have speaker outputs on the back of your receiver that say rear center?
[Edited by THX on 12-31-2000 at 03:53 PM]
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mm... just for you !
DTS is 5.1 just like DD !!!!!!!
If a DVD support DTS and your Receiver can handle it also, then why on earth don´t you use it ?????? It is simply better than DD !!!
You don´t need a Rear Center especially for DTS !!!!!!!
Even with DTS ES or DD 6.1 you don´t need a Rear Center.
If you don´t have one, then you will have the same sound like 5.1 !!
So what ?
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Why would you hate an extra speaker in the back that is crazy. I do not think you have a capable sytem or speakers so it should not matter. I just got the Denon AVR-3801 and it\'s amazing. DTS sounds great.
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mm don\'t need no stinking ES if his system is set up properly. Only a fool lives by the addage that "more is better" and this applies to sound systems too. Just the fact that ES technology was inspired by George Lucas and THX should tell you that.
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i bought my DTS receiver xmas of 99
would scanning the receipt make u feel better?
so whats the difference betweem DTS and DTS - ES?
gladiator DVD [example] is DTS - ES. if i had a normal DTS [if such a thing exists], would it not play the sound? it does.
mm
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mm- I do not doubt you own a receiver that decodes DTS, but I do doubt you have a receiver that can decode DTS-ES. Let me explain. Even though someone might have a DVD with the Dolby Digital Logo on it they must have a Dolby Digital compatible receiver. Agreed? If they had a Dolby Pro-Logic only receiver they would not be hearing Dolby Digital.
Just because you have a receiver that is DTS compatible does not mean you are hearing DTS-ES sound, even if your DVD bears the DTS-ES logo. Does your receiver bear the DTS-ES logo?
To hear DD you need:
1) DD media
2) DD decoder
To hear DTS you need:
1) DTS media
2) DTS decoder
To hear DTS-ES you need:
1) DTS-ES media (gladiator)
2) DTS-ES decoder (receiver that bears the DTS-ES logo, ie- Denon 3801)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdel.denon.com%2Fcatalog%2Fphotos%2Favr3801.jpg&hash=9cbb0a2fe0e58f61e9231baa2a9304604f4662e3)
Do you see the logo there? In the middle towards the right.
Sorry if this explanation seems drawn out but I just wanted to make everything clear. Please correct me if you feel I have stated something wrong.
Dolbytone- I pretty much agree with your philosophy on the matter, but I have yet to hear DTS-ES so I won\'t comment with any opinions on the format yet.
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people, people, people. I heard of sdds before. now you just notice. ( I knew dolbytone and mm knew this before.)
i remember posting this before i will post it again. anyway, less compression means better sound quality right?
1 sound channel: mono
2 sound channel: stereo
3 sound channel: surround (dolby surround)
4 sound channel: dolby pro logic
5 sound channel: dolby digital
5.1 sound channel: dolby digital and dts
6.1 sound channel: dolby ex and dts-es
7.1: sony dynamic digital sound
8.1: mystery maybe lucasart thx?
9.1: mystery-thx?
10.1: thx
10.2: thx
i think the highest as of right now is lucas art 10.2 sound channels. oh, thanks for information about sdds bit rate...2.3 megabit per sec...that\'s alot. i remember playing the matrix using dolby digital running at 392 kilobits.. or about .39 megabits per sec...they probably compress it to use less memory...
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im not questioning yer knowledge
im saying that certain disks are encoded with DTS - ES
like gladiator, how am i able to hear the sound?
mm
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OK...
1. You need a DTS-ES Receiver !!! NOT just a DTS Receiver !
2. You need the medium (Gladiator)
3. You need a Rear Center Speaker !
Thats it... 6.1 !!!!!!! (Sorry for those "!" :D )
BTW: I don´t like it too, I think it only gives you an advantage, if you have a BIG Livingroom... A very BIG one, ya know ! :D
To bring it to an end:
DTS is better then DD.
"Normal" DTS is NOT 6.1 ! It´s 5.1, just like DD... so you don´t need an extra Rear Center !
ONE LAST THING !
If you play the GLADIATOR with a "normal" DTS Receiver (NOT DTS-ES) it will play the Sound just like DTS (5.1) !!! The Centersignal then is delivered to the two Rear Speakers... I can prove it, because I´ve seen "Spleepy Hollow" on my equipment... "Sleepy Hollow" also supports DTS-ES ! But I only have a "normal" DD, DTS Receiver (5 Speakers) !
YOU DON´T NEED DTS-ES !!! JUST LISTEN TO THE MOVIE WITH DTS SWITCHED ON !!
Hear it, love it ! :D
[Edited by THE EYE on 01-01-2001 at 05:38 AM]
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1 sound channel: mono
2 sound channel: stereo
3 sound channel: surround (dolby surround)
4 sound channel: dolby pro logic
5 sound channel: dolby digital
5.1 sound channel: dolby digital and dts
6.1 sound channel: dolby ex and dts-es
7.1: sony dynamic digital sound
8.1: mystery maybe lucasart thx?
9.1: mystery-thx?
10.1: thx
10.2: thx
Dude, that is just all ****ed up. First of all SDDS is NOT 7.1 because the "subwoofer" channel isn\'t band limited, it\'s full range. 3 Channel isn\'t Dolby Surround, it\'s stereo sound with a center channel. 5 Channel is DD, but 5.1 is DD as well? WTF? Did you just make this **** up? Since when does THX allow you to have more channels? You\'re playing the exact same sound formats through a THX system that you do through a non THX system so where do the extras come from?
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Come on, it isn\'t that hard.
Dolby Digital = 5.1 = 2 front speakers, 2 rear and 1 centre + 1 for sub.
DTS = 5.1 = 2 front speakers, 2 rear and 1 centre + 1 for sub.
The difference between DD and DTS is the bitrate. DTS uses a higher bitrate than DD = higher quality/resolution sound. BUT it takes up more space on the DVD, so some movies with DTS doesn\'t have much/any extra features. Or the picture bitrate might be less than a DD version to make room for the DTS sound.
DD-EX = 6.1 = 2 front speakers, 2 rear and 2 centre (front + rear) + 1 for sub.
DTS-ES = 6.1 = 2 front speakers, 2 rear and 2 centre (front + rear) + 1 for sub.
Again, the same differences apply between DD-EX and DTS-ES.
You can easily listen to DTS-ES without a DTS-ES decoder - IF the decoder can decode regular DTS. The only difference is that you abviously don\'t get the centre rear channel.
But bottomline is that DTS offers better sound - technically, though DD sounds just fine to most people.
EDIT:
Doh! I just saw the first page ... and not the second ... before I replied. Well, I\'ll just let it be anyway. :)
[Edited by Samwise on 01-01-2001 at 02:28 PM]
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so, at any rate, if theres a difference between DTS and AC3, i cant hear it. me thinks its just a BS scheme to make me spend more money on some fancy name [ES], and just to say i have the top of the line equipment.
mm
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Originally posted by Dolbytone
Dude, that is just all ****ed up. First of all SDDS is NOT 7.1 because the "subwoofer" channel isn\'t band limited, it\'s full range. 3 Channel isn\'t Dolby Surround, it\'s stereo sound with a center channel. 5 Channel is DD, but 5.1 is DD as well? WTF? Did you just make this **** up? Since when does THX allow you to have more channels? You\'re playing the exact same sound formats through a THX system that you do through a non THX system so where do the extras come from? [/B]
LOL!! Dolby you beat me to it. What the hell is all that stuff???
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lol, be nice guys.
mm
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There is very little difference between DD and DTS. As long as you have a solid receiver who cares. I don\'t see how anyone an be confused ever again on 5.1, 6.1, ES, etc.. After all of these messages. If you are confused then just spend your money and enjoy because you won\'t understand.
As far as that whacky message listing the different levels throwing in a bunch of THXs. THX can be any level. You can have 2 channel THX I think... All it is is a quality standard. It\'s a gimmick to throw on an extra 15% to equipment. heck, probably more than that.
Finally, just watch the movie, if it sounds good, then enjoy. If it sounds like crap, then buy new stuff..
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There is very little difference between DD and DTS. As long as you have a solid receiver who cares. I don\'t see how anyone an be confused ever again on 5.1, 6.1, ES, etc.. After all of these messages. If you are confused then just spend your money and enjoy because you won\'t understand.
As far as that whacky message listing the different levels throwing in a bunch of THXs. THX can be any level. You can have 2 channel THX I think... All it is is a quality standard. It\'s a gimmick to throw on an extra 15% to equipment. heck, probably more than that.
Finally, just watch the movie, if it sounds good, then enjoy. If it sounds like crap, then buy new stuff..
And if you have more questions, you really should go to hometheaterforum.com... it\'s much better for this talk..
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mm... I´m depressed...
For the first time here, I think you don´t understand a thing of what we are talking here... :(
DTS-ES is just an add-on on the normal DTS !
For the normal DTS YOU DON´T NEED A CENTER REAR !!!
If a DVD supports DTS-ES, than you can enjoy it on you equipment just like DTS. If you want to have DTS-ES or DD-EX then buy a new receiver and a Rear Center... but if your receiver supports DTS, then I wouldn´t do it !
DTS is the same as Dolby Digital, only the Bitrate is higher - and YES, you wll hear the difference between DTS and DD, just switch from DTS to DD during the movie...
DTS sounds "richer"...
And please post it in here if you finaly get it...otherwise I´m getting nuts !!! :D
The next thing I´ll do is to send you my phonenumber, so you can call me for any questions... *lol*
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Hey I have the same problem as ddaryl. I\'m trying to play Samurai-X. I know my receiver and pretty sure my PS2 is set up right b/c I just played Perfect Storm yesterday and it decoded to surround channels. However, Samurai-X is just doing 2 ch right now. When I play the DVD my receiver says it\'s DOLBY DIGITAL 2/0.
I\'ll check the DVD menu and see if it has a setting but my PS2 and receiver are configged correctly.
So I was wondering if all DOLBY DIGITAL DVDs are 5.1 surround?
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does the disc specifically say dd 5.1? i have many early DVD\'s that are only surround stereo.
mm
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The only thing the disc says is the DOLBY DIGITAL logo.
So is that true surround or just 2 channel stereo?
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EmperorRob, Samurai-x comes on Dolby Digital 2.0, there is not problem with your reciver or your DVD.
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Forgive me b/c I don\'t know all the meanings but,
2/0 is just 2 channel right?
and there\'s a 3/0 and a 1/0. So what are those?
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Every 1.0 stands for ONE Speaker... the .1 is allways the Sub !
So 1.0 is MONO and 2.0 is Stereo !
3.0 is Left, Right and Center. 5.1 are all Speakers and a Sub.
STOP...
Do you have a SONY Receiver ???
b/c here it´s a bit different...
They say 3/2 is 3 front speakers (l, r, c) and two rear (rl, rr)
3/1 is normal surround and 2/0 is stereo...
Please, read you manual ! I can´t explain it all to you... ;)
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Yeah I got a Sony receiver; brand new. I checked and they have a table which is very unreadable and doesn\'t help very much. Thanks for the info. I was mainly concerned that my system wasn\'t configured right.