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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: VP on January 06, 2001, 01:50:15 AM
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Why should I let the system get a bad rep from people posting PC shots (from fgnonline) and passing them off as unimpressive XBox screens.
Feast your eyes on some real XBox screens. Enjoy.
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If small 3rd parties can pull this off, just think of what big name developers like Namco and Konami will do.
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Give the little girl a mouth. Nothing like running around smashing **** with a big ass hammer.
Its something new to me.
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Hello I\'m actually quite new to your forums......
About those Xbox pics, they\'re shaping up quite nicely. But I wouldb\'t buy one.
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Hey, that looks just like a kiddy PC game.
j/k
It\'ll be exciting to see what (other) games will look like on Xbox. This doesn\'t interest me too much, but I know there\'ll be plenty of other titles that will.
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Looks cool to me. It actually looks like that "hammer" is much more, but more of a wrench to activate gears as well. The graphics look pretty damn stunning, that is to say, if it looks like that in-game. I want movies dammit of actual in-game footage. One more thing, what is it with MS and giant robots representing their characters? It\'s getting old fast...
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Did anyone see the short demo clip with the x-box racing game ? It apeared to be some sort of rally game, and it looke pretty good as well.
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remember when they used to show pics like that year ago before PS2\'s release in Japan? Then when the hype was on its worst? I do. They looked exactly like these, even if not better. Wild rumors like that the games would look as good as FFVII\'s cutscenes were on the air...
now these pics could be from the game really, and then I\'m impressed yes. But I can\'t really know if these are a product of hype; just little re-rendered to make the full effect. BUt again, I\'m not SURE so don\'t count these words too thick.
and we can\'t know what the game will look when running.. will it run in constant 60 framerate?
hmmm... why am I so sceptical now? Maybe it\'s because I already own a console :)
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Those pics do not impress me at all.PS2 can do that for gods sakes,why would anyone get excited about these?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Those pics do not impress me at all.PS2 can do that for gods sakes,why would anyone get excited about these?
If these are ingame shots then they are far more impressive than you realise (and this is unlikely to be the best the XBox has to offer).
The first thing many will notice is the excellent bump-mapping, however, look very carefully at those pics and you will see real-shadows throughout, not just shadows cast on walls and falls, but shadows cast from EVERY polygon!
For example, the character\'s hair casts a shadow onto her head, in the last pic you can see her shadow on the robot\'s foot, and look very closely at the shadows in the 4th and 6th pics above! Awesome. This kind of lighting has ONLY previously be seen in pre-rendered images. No PS2 game I\'ve seen demonstates lighting like this!
I\'m really looking forward to movies of this and other XBox games following CES today. :)
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No FSAA because these were done on NV15(Phase I) development kits the FSAA is not a feature on that card. All the demos from Saturday CES show will be shown on Phase I hardware which sucks but it still is looking good!
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Hmm... nice graphics, I wish there would be a demo or something for DC, PS2, GameCube & X Box that can be compared side by side and see who\'s the bad ass.
I agree w/ Samwise, it looks very much like a kiddy game.
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Those are THE GRAPHICS!!
I must say they look very impressive.
By the way who are developing the game and what is the title called
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Whether those shots are in-game or not they look good. But if these are in-game then those graphics are a pretty damn good effort for a system in its pre-natal stage. Nice.
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I\'m not that empressed actually. considering the demo of the robot which microsoft claimed would be the type of games we would be seeing, the quality of the game in those shots is quite poor. just my opinion for i am a simple woodsman.
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The PS2 Can Push That....But this game is still in Developement.
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I agree w/ Playstation 2 4 life. This maybe could be done with PS2 or even better, but developers just don\'t handle the console yet.
But if that\'s first wave games for X-Box.. then what\'s going to be 3-4 wave games? ( wave = generation )
But... these shots could be hype. Or could not. But I\'d like to see some mov. clips from this baby...
And the game\'s name is Malice. The developer is?
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Having just finished watching the live CES coverage on XBox.com, I can confirm that not only are those pics ingame, but that it is running on a developement system with 1/5th final XBox power!!!
The animation, lighting and realtime shadows are ABSOLUTELY incredible and are WAY better than you imagine from those pics alone.
I hope they release some high res movies soon! :)
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I just got done watching a CES movie. I got on right before they started showing the x-box demos. :) They had this and Munch\'s Oddessy running real time. They said it was on a dev-kit 1/5 the speed of the final hardware.
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Saw the CES webcast also! 1/5 the power and it looked awesome! The giant robot mimicked the girl while she did a super jump and the robot went through the ceiling and got stuck there...using deformation enviorment like in Red Faction! It was awesome I can\'t wait to see the what they have in store for e3.
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wow!
only 1/5 power of the dev kit?!?!?!
Can\'t be... or I have just imPrISSED my pants off :)
hmmm... really gets me thinking now. Hype or not?
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What did you expect out of a bunch of PC programmers programing DirectX. But I think the PS2 will keep in pace, and the PS2 still has some trump cards, Bezier, NURBS, Prcedural texturing, and more AI and physics than you can shake a stick at... and don\'t give me that crap about XBox having 140Gflops, those are used for rasterization and can only be used for that. Sony didn\'t post thier rasterization number so it\'s hard to compare. Anyway you get the point.
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hmmmm. yes panh. PS2 truly has some aces up its sleeves still :)
remember; we haven\'t SEEN NOTHING YET. PS2 is so young as a console; we\'ll be as impressed towards our little black beast than X-box.
Don\'t let your faith die.
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Those are quite impressive.
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Originally posted by Joyda
wow!
only 1/5 power of the dev kit?!?!?!
Can\'t be... or I have just imPrISSED my pants off :)
hmmm... really gets me thinking now. Hype or not?
You don\'t need a full speed DEV kit to get the most out of a system. all you do is program, it doesn\'t have to run at full speed or anything. You could program XBox on your computer if you had the right software.
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I saw the show aswell..
I was expecting much more. Now I know I bought the right console :D!
Xbox=PC graphics
And that thing about the dev kit runing at 1/5 of the xbox speed is all hype.
/FASTson
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Originally posted by PahnCrD
You don\'t need a full speed DEV kit to get the most out of a system. all you do is program, it doesn\'t have to run at full speed or anything. You could program XBox on your computer if you had the right software.
There\'s a little bit more to it than that PahnCrD. :rolleyes: :D
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
Originally posted by PahnCrD
You don\'t need a full speed DEV kit to get the most out of a system. all you do is program, it doesn\'t have to run at full speed or anything. You could program XBox on your computer if you had the right software.
There\'s a little bit more to it than that PahnCrD. :rolleyes: :D
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But my point is you don\'t need full power dev kit to get full power from a system. Might help, but this is all about more hype.
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I saw the show aswell..
I was expecting much more. Now I know I bought the right console !
Xbox=PC graphics
And that thing about the dev kit runing at 1/5 of the xbox speed is all hype.
Gates said it twice, Allard stated it on the chat with MSXBOX.COM the demos were running on 1/5 the power of the finalized hardware. Go check it out if you don\'t believe me...there are transcipts of the event up at a couple of places.
I don\'t know why you dismiss it as hype maybe it\'s because it\'s just the popular thing to do.
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
I saw the show aswell..
I was expecting much more. Now I know I bought the right console !
Xbox=PC graphics
And that thing about the dev kit runing at 1/5 of the xbox speed is all hype.
Gates said it twice, Allard stated it on the chat with MSXBOX.COM the demos were running on 1/5 the power of the finalized hardware. Go check it out if you don\'t believe me...there are transcipts of the event up at a couple of places.
I don\'t know why you dismiss it as hype maybe it\'s because it\'s just the popular thing to do. [/B]
Fair enough, we\'ll see.
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Originally posted by fastson
I was expecting much more. Now I know I bought the right console :D! Xbox=PC graphics
That\'s like saying PS2 graphics = DC graphics. :rolleyes:
And that thing about the dev kit runing at 1/5 of the xbox speed is all hype.[/B]
I see, so your arguement rests on the premise that they lied about the dev kit. I guess you believe they were hiding a full speed XBox under the table!
At 1/5th final XBox speed, it was achieving shadowing effects which we HAVEN\'T seen on ANY PS2 games or demos to date. Now for me, THAT\'S impressive. :)
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
Originally posted by fastson
I was expecting much more. Now I know I bought the right console :D! Xbox=PC graphics
That\'s like saying PS2 graphics = DC graphics. :rolleyes:
And that thing about the dev kit runing at 1/5 of the xbox speed is all hype.[/B]
I see, so your arguement rests on the premise that they lied about the dev kit. I guess you believe they were hiding a full speed XBox under the table!
At 1/5th final XBox speed, it was achieving shadowing effects which we HAVEN\'T seen on ANY PS2 games or demos to date. Now for me, THAT\'S impressive. :)
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Well, it IS DirectX that they are using... It\'ll take longer for PS2 to catch and that is a fact of life. But the PS2 can do lighting very well, and the PS2 still has many Trump cards. And yes, Microsoft has ben shown to stretch the truth from time to time... Sure every company does this to extent, but MS is the most extreme cas that i think I have seen in the Video game industry. Don\'t worry about it so much though, They may still make a system worth playing. But it\'s not the God of consoling, every system will show the other up, you watch.
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Originally posted by PahnCrD
But my point is you don\'t need full power dev kit to get full power from a system. Might help, but this is all about more hype.
It\'s not about hype, it\'s about performance. 5 times more power gives you 5 times more polygons, it gives you 5 times more fill rate.
When viewing Malice, you KNOW that the final console will be capable of significantly more detail than that see today. Or are you really believe those MGS2 movies on the PS2 (the best thing seen on the console BTW) would look the same on a dev machine with just 1/5th final PS2 power?
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
Originally posted by PahnCrD
But my point is you don\'t need full power dev kit to get full power from a system. Might help, but this is all about more hype.
It\'s not about hype, it\'s about performance. 5 times more power gives you 5 times more polygons, it gives you 5 times more fill rate.
When viewing Malice, you KNOW that the final console will be capable of significantly more detail than that see today. Or are you really believe those MGS2 movies on the PS2 (the best thing seen on the console BTW) would look the same on a dev machine with just 1/5th final PS2 power? [/B]
Sorry, I wasn\'t aware at the time, that the images were running off of the Kit itself. Anyway read my previous statement.
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It\'s damn funny to watch everyone jump on the defensive so quickly.
I love my DC, and I love my PS2. But I must say those shots look impressive. I only hope it\'s running @ 60fps. Otherwise... bleh.
Now Abe I think looks ok, the same as when it was on PS2 so far. The thing is, it\'s true, if this is what these small companies are capable of, who knows what the big dogs will be capable of doing...
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Originally posted by PahnCrD
Well, it IS DirectX that they are using... It\'ll take longer for PS2 to catch and that is a fact of life. But the PS2 can do lighting very well, and the PS2 still has many Trump cards.
Yes, that a good point, developers are familiar with the XBox in a way that they couldn\'t be on the PS2 (but are learning). But until we see such effects on the PS2, we can only speculate on it\'s ability to do so.
All I\'m saying is be fair. If the ingame bump mapping and realtime shadowing effects seen in Malice was running on the PS2, many here would be \'blown away\' by the results.
At 1/5th the final XBox power it IS awesome, therefore it is not hype.
(Amendment: I wrote that paragraph before I read your last post!)
And yes, Microsoft has ben shown to stretch the truth from time to time... Sure every company does this to extent, but MS is the most extreme cas that i think I have seen in the Video game industry.[/B]
IMO, Sony\'s claims about the Emotion Engine\'s power, characters with real emotions, toy story/movie graphics, 15 times more powerful than a PentiumII etc, are FAR more extreme than anything MS has claimed about the XBox. MS haven\'t promised a revolution, they\'ve only promised an awesome console 3x more powerful than the PS2.
Don\'t worry about it so much though, They may still make a system worth playing. But it\'s not the God of consoling, every system will show the other up, you watch. [/B]
Yes, let\'s wait and see, and let\'s not forget that it\'s the games that count. :)
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Originally posted by PahnCrD
Sorry, I wasn\'t aware at the time, that the images were running off of the Kit itself. Anyway read my previous statement.
Yes, you made a good point about the ease for programmers using DirectX compared to the PS2.
But do look out for Malice movies when they become available. Those pics are impressive enough, but when you see those effects running in realtime, it\'s incredible (I\'m looking forward to high quality movies of this and other XBox games).
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Dr. Yassam, The 1/5 performance "thing" could only really refer to polygon rates. Fill rate is memory bandwidth constrained, and the xbox will have less available bandwidth than the current geforce2 ultra incarnations. I know, I know; hidden surface removal and pixel shaders and such, but I don\'t believe for a minute that HSR is going to give me 5 times the fill-rate. Still, I thought the malice demo looked very good; the oddworld demo sucked, but malice looked cool, and hopefully we\'ll soon see other games to look at too.
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Xbox dev kits are only 1/5 the final speed of Xbox, thats why EA bought 500 of them
Xbox has been in works for 3 years now and specs have been finalized Nvidia has been working of the graphics chips for quite some time and they still don\'t have final hardware for Dev kits. Xbox is going to be released in 10 months and finalized Dev kit hardware still doesn\'t exist but 150 developers have bought these incomplete dev kits
C\'mon I don\'t buy that
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I think it\'s a great effort on MS\'s part to get the latest hardware in there before it is shipped out! Which is what they said on the webcast! They want the latest hardware in there right before it hits the shelves.
If you don\'t believe it thats fine but it\'s been reported at a number of sites.
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my take on this: Holy crap there are alot of things going on in that picture! for one, no blurriness, lots of bump mapping, shadows galore, etc. very impressed.
But it could easily be done on DC, those are just stupid PC graphics :rolleyes: hahahaha :D
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Skippy-g
Dr. Yassam, The 1/5 performance "thing" could only really refer to polygon rates. Fill rate is memory bandwidth constrained, and the xbox will have less available bandwidth than the current geforce2 ultra incarnations
The XBox has a memory bandwidth of 6.4Gb/sec, enough to handle it\'s fillrate requirements of 4Gpixels/sec and 4Gtexels/sec. The Geforce2\'s bandwidth is lower at 5.2Gb/sec, and it\'s fill rate is MUCH less at 0.8Gpixels/sec and 1.6Gtexels/sec!
See;
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/00q2/000427/geforce2-03.html
http://www.xbox.com/xbox/flash/specs.asp
But you\'re right, I should have said "5 times more power gives you 5 times more polygons and more fill rate".
Thanks for the correction.
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Read these
1)PS2 new hardware arcitecture-XBOX similar hardware arcitecture
2)PS2 hard to program on-XBOX easy to program on(DirectX)
3)PS2 still unknown capabilities-XBOX NVIDIA made for creating special certain effects directly
etc
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looks pretty good....... but graphics aren\'t all to judge a game by....just reminding you people blinded by the graphics(which are bootiful I must say)
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Oh also PS2 tools werent ready until lately.Developers trying to create Tools spent more time and money.So less money and time for games.Also Sony delivered Dev kids around sepember 1999.No tools ready,new hardware.They had to built and finish their games for March release in japan.
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Dr. Yassam, I\'ve noticed that you\'re a big Xbox fan/follower. I\'m not trying to change the subject of this nice Xbox thread in the main forum of a PS2 forum, but what do you think of GameCube? How will it compare to Xbox in your opinion?
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The emotion engine does have many unknown capabilities. I am beginning to think that Gamecube has better graphics than Xbox. Those Munch Xbox screens look just like the Ps2 screens. Cept the Ps2 screens have better lighting
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However, unless I see someone play this demo, its anyones guess weither its realtime or not. For all we know, it could just be hype generated by FMV scenes.
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Originally posted by Simchoy
However, unless I see someone play this demo, its anyones guess weither its realtime or not. For all we know, it could just be hype generated by FMV scenes.
Iam guessing you didn\'t or couldn\'t watch the live web cast. you would of seen real-time gameplay being played on both malice and oddworld
ahhh the little ps2 fanboy always trying to defend sonys big mistake. playstation was the **** or console for its time,PS2 is not. Missing to much ****. where that 50 million polygon game in development LOLOLOLLOLOLOl
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Why should I let the system get a bad rep from people posting PC shots (from fgnonline) and passing them off as unimpressive XBox screens.
Feast your eyes on some real XBox screens. Enjoy.
Hey I didn’t know that they were PC shots until later on. So dont Bit*h about me giving
the x box a bad rep. Fgonline did not say they were PC pictures. Oh and by the way those
pic\'s look pretty impressive but didn’t the Oddworld graphic\'s look the same as this on the
ps2?
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yea ps2 can do all the effects xbox can do. LOL
man are you going to make me go to videogames.com and copy a paste what was better about the xbox version.
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So, I\'m impressed with the graphics of Malice since it is supposively in real time. Can\'t wait to see what the game will look like on the final system. That supposing that these are not running off the development kits like some PS2 demoes were.
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Ok simchoy you won\'t believe. every ****ING MAJOR WEBSITE REPORTS THERE REALTIME. Nope ther not realtime. na iam a sony **** sucker i won\'t believe it
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what you fail to realize is that munch\'s was running on a 1st gen dev kit, which represents 1/5 the T&L power of nv2a.
This was mentioned various times throughout the xbox demonstration.
In other words, they got munch\'s to look at least as good as it did on ps2 with dev kits that only have 1/5 the power the final xbox hardware will have.
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:rolleyes: Hell, I believe you. So the Xbox is looking nice right now. Like I said before, I might get one someday. Just waiting for fall 2001. Also waiting to see if they truely do deliever on this game as well.
As for running off first generation development kits...cool. Though by this time, PS2 developers will at least match these graphics. On a graphical standpoint, the PS2 and Xbox will mostly be the same. This coming from a system that is supposed to blow the PS2 away.
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Originally posted by drcrumble
what you fail to realize is that munch\'s was running on a 1st gen dev kit, which represents 1/5 the T&L power of nv2a.
So you believe that , just like the XBox Raven Demo was only using 5% of the XBox\'s power, heh well for games that supposed to look 4 times better then the Raven Demo (which you also claimed was running on a phase 1 dev kit - GeForce 2) they sure as hell ain\'t showing it. Munch is nothing like the Playstation 2 version, this is a blur-a-fest with low rez texturing and limited geometry.
XBox hasn\'t shown anything that couldn\'t be done on Playstation 2 or Dreamcast, and the Gamecube demo\'s destroy these.
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It seems many of you are in some serious denial, even going as far as to say the screens aren\'t impressive. It\'s interesting what people will do to validate their buying decisions. The PS2/NGC will both have their gems, and they will have games that both look and play awesome. But if you have been impressed by anything on those systems, and say you are not impressed by these, you are simply lying to yourself. There is bump mapping and lighting in these pics that haven\'t been dispalyed to any extent on the PS2 or Gamecube.
I\'m still not sold on the XBox myself (althought things are looking quite good), but to say these screens don\'t in some way technically surpass everything you\'ve seen on other sytems is just false.
There is no denying the Grand Canyon is big. You can add all the "in my opinions" you want, but when it comes down to it, one can differtiate between fact and opinion. The lighting and bump mapping in these screens ARE technically impressive and exceed what has been displayed on other platforms, fact.
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I\'m gonna give an honest opinion, those pictures were not that great, save your money folks, PS2 has just as good graphics, plus better developers.
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silly cellicell...
what you fail to realize is that munch\'s was running on a 1st gen dev kit, which represents 1/5 the T&L power of nv2a.
This was mentioned various times throughout the xbox demonstration.
In other words, they got munch\'s to look at least as good as it did on ps2 with dev kits that only have 1/5 the power the final xbox hardware will have.
Uhh...that is why I put a ? after I said that sentence. DID YOU NOT SEE IT?
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So you believe that , just like the XBox Raven Demo was only using 5% of the XBox\'s power, heh well for games that supposed to look 4 times better then the Raven Demo (which you also claimed was running on a phase 1 dev kit - GeForce 2) they sure as hell ain\'t showing it.
I never paid much attention to the 5% raven thing. I don\'t just swallow what is fed to me, but I do believe it if it\'s backed by numbers.
I was saying these demos were 1/5 of what xbox could do before I ever even heard microsoft say it.
its not that complicated:
geforce 2 - 25 mpps
nv2a - 125 mpps
125/25=5
wowee...
XBox hasn\'t shown anything that couldn\'t be done on Playstation 2 or Dreamcast, and the Gamecube demo\'s destroy these.
I just got done arguing this with another poor soul with a bad memory, so I\'ll repost:
the sad thing is that the zelda demo doesn\'t look much better than malice, if even better at all.
This is sad because not only is Malice a fully-controllable, functional game (unlike the zelda gc TECH DEMO, which was just sometime of a cut scene), it is running on a first gen dev kit which represents 1/5 the power of the final xbox hardware.
here\'s some screens for comparison...
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nintendo.com%2Fgamecube%2Fimages%2Fngc3.jpg&hash=34c1e86a9b5f42151cb8d4a157cd5ce039b7cbd8)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Fmalice%2Fmalice18.jpg&hash=294235e4b3cfc94e8d8f772de1af2f279a1c352d)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nintendo.com%2Fgamecube%2Fimages%2Fngc21.jpg&hash=245346bd90677015d02f99a38436a0e7d2e80d16)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Fmalice%2Fmalice12.jpg&hash=0ea3c2f1aa0c549181d2995e644d87ed414a7a09)
zelda does seem to have the edge in character detail, but that\'s not surprising considering the backgrounds in the zelda demo are bland (only spiced up by a bit of bump mapping), as opposed to the detailed environments presented in the 2nd malice pic.
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I\'d like to add, these games were not only running on 1/5 powered systems, but it\'s unlikely that the developers pushed this less powerful version of XB to the limit. Meaning? Meaning the games use LESS than 1/5 the systems power.
And Trintius, were\'s the low res blurryness in these shots?:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fnews%2Fimage%2Fmunch%2Fmunchdemo4.jpg&hash=1d3c03607fd603c6676016a275a8c8fc8a9f79ed)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fnews%2Fimage%2Fmunch%2Fmunchdemo5.jpg&hash=792214dba06e72721ead49fcfde78211b1deb2cc)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fnews%2Fimage%2Fmunch%2Fmunchdemo8.jpg&hash=5cde461d518ad8e9e59b41c9f8eeb67ac330e80b)
These easily are better than the early PS2 screens.
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The now defunct Oddworld on the PS2 didn\'t like any better or worse than the Xbox ones
Oddworld Xbox
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fnews%2Fimage%2Fmunch%2Fmunchdemo9.jpg&hash=b69a6c18c642247cc9765e9c35c5ebbba0d7f7b7)
Oddworld PS2
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Foddworld%2Fmunchs_m7.jpg&hash=f3f595b08abb4d7f2dd0bc8946655a63589b7571)
Oddworld Xbox
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Oddworld PS2
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Oddworld Xbox
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Oddworld PS2
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews%2Fimage%2Foddworld%2Fmunchs_m1.jpg&hash=ac3cc05ffafc05ecea3a34481d717812d37e6018)
Oddworld Xbox
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fnews%2Fimage%2Fmunch%2Fmunchdemo4.jpg&hash=1d3c03607fd603c6676016a275a8c8fc8a9f79ed)
Oddworld PS2
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
The emotion engine does have many unknown capabilities. I am beginning to think that Gamecube has better graphics than Xbox. Those Munch Xbox screens look just like the Ps2 screens. Cept the Ps2 screens have better lighting
Well animal, you said it for yourself. If NV-15 (GeForce2) games look just like PS2 games, imagine what a NV2@ (two generations ahead) game will look like. OddWorld isn\'t even 50% done with the game so it should look much better at E3 and even better at launch. :D If Malice looks as good as PS2 games then it should be proof that Xbox graphics will totally rule.
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Originally posted by TheOneBillyGunn
PS2 has just as good graphics, plus better developers.
Like who?
Konami, Namco, Capcom, THQ, Activision etc. They are all developing for XBox.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Xbox dev kits are only 1/5 the final speed of Xbox, thats why EA bought 500 of them
Xbox has been in works for 3 years now and specs have been finalized Nvidia has been working of the graphics chips for quite some time and they still don\'t have final hardware for Dev kits. Xbox is going to be released in 10 months and finalized Dev kit hardware still doesn\'t exist but 150 developers have bought these incomplete dev kits
C\'mon I don\'t buy that
Well, I don\'t think there\'s no argument here. Everyone knows for a fact that NV2@\'s aren\'t in production yet. It\'s very rare that a console manufacturer ships final kits to developers at first. Sega didn\'t do it and Sony sure didn\'t. I don\'t know if I should call this "denial" since it seems like you can\'t grasp the idea that phase 1 dev kits can produce PS2 quality graphics. It\'s already been proven, so I think it\'s fruitless to argue against that. This is old news and one that should never be disputed.
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More like Polyphony Digital, SCEI, Naughty Dog and SCEE would be a better choice then 989. Okay, Naughty Dog is a second party developer. But since they are a second party developer, don\'t expect to see any of their games on other systems.
Back to the topic, I\'ve seen Malice run on TV! NBC news ran a segment on the Xbox. My take, impressive! However, not mind blowingly better then what the PS2 has. The PS2 will, and has kept pace to this point of the Xbox. This doesn\'t mean that the Xbox will not eventually pass the PS2 in graphics (it will if MS is telling everything), but in the near future, PS2 will have no problems getting people to buy its system based solely on graphics. Same with the NGC if, they give us anything more about their system.
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You can truly see the difference in PS2 and X-box shots of Munch\'s Oddysee; heck, the PS2 ones are better... BUt x-box wasn\'t showing its true power; it was a fastly made demo of Munch\'s oddysee I think where those pics were taken from..
but still I gotta back up PS2 saying that you haven\'t seen nothing yet.
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Originally posted by Joyda
You can truly see the difference in PS2 and X-box shots of Munch\'s Oddysee; heck, the PS2 ones are better...
But the PS2 ones are pre-rendered! We never got to see actual screen shots of Munch\'s Oddysee running on PS2 hardware. What we got were pre-rendered images and movies of what they hoped the final game would look like!
Afterwards, all we seemed to here from the developers were complaints about the PS2, although they later said that those who saw the game running thought it was the best looking game on the PS2.
No new shots or movies were ever released, but one website which saw the game at this stage said it was looking just as good as those early renders (minus FSAA and XBox-like polygon-on-polygon shadows I expect).
http://ps2.ign.com/previews/14007.html
"The levels truly do look like the early renders and set screenshots we have been receiving overt the months. They\'re simply gorgeous".
With the XBox version looking as good as it does on phase 1 hardware, it appears that the final game may match (or even exceed) those early pre-rendered movies!!!
So the point I\'m making? Only that without actual PS2 screens and movies, and given the fact that the PS2 version would have improved further if developement hadn\'t stopped, we cannot really compare the two versions.
BUt x-box wasn\'t showing its true power; it was a fastly made demo of Munch\'s oddysee I think where those pics were taken from..
but still I gotta back up PS2 saying that you haven\'t seen nothing yet.
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Agreed, this year should reveal what PS2 developers have learnt about the hardware so far, and therefore we should see big improvements in PS2 games. :)
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PS2 version of Abe looks alot better then the xbox version..
I wonder why?
:D
/FASTson
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Originally posted by Samwise
Dr. Yassam, I\'ve noticed that you\'re a big Xbox fan/follower.
Well, to be more accurate, I\'m a games technology follower, especially graphics. So whether it\'s graphics on the PC, DC, PS2, XBox, GC etc, it\'s all very interesting to me and therefore I try very hard to understand the facts.
Yes, I\'m an XBox fan, but I\'m a follower who became a fan, not vice-versa. :)
I have nothing against the PS2, it as a great console and it\'s the best currently available, but as you probably know, I\'m not exactly it\'s greatest fan (for numerous reasons). :p
I\'m not trying to change the subject of this nice Xbox thread in the main forum of a PS2 forum, but what do you think of GameCube? How will it compare to Xbox in your opinion?[/B]
I believe the GameCube will be a superb console.
Graphically, it\'s power lies between the PS2 and the XBox (but closer to the XBox). According to Nintendo, everything is hard coded into the hardware, meaning it doesn\'t have the programmability of the XBox (or the PS2), and therefore will fall even further behind as developers exploit the power of the XBox\'s pixel/vertex shaders.
Nintendo do claim that they have a major \'secret\' which they will not reveal yet because the idea/feature may be stolen. So who knows what surprises lie ahead on the GC. :)
In terms of the console wars, I believe the battle will be between the XBox and PS2 for first and second place, with the GC a \'healthy\' third.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Xbox dev kits are only 1/5 the final speed of Xbox, thats why EA bought 500 of them
Xbox has been in works for 3 years now and specs have been finalized Nvidia has been working of the graphics chips for quite some time and they still don\'t have final hardware for Dev kits. Xbox is going to be released in 10 months and finalized Dev kit hardware still doesn\'t exist but 150 developers have bought these incomplete dev kits
C\'mon I don\'t buy that
ah, I see you don\'t know much about the xdk program.
The price of each prototype xdk includes all future incarnations of the xdk. So when developers buy the current, underpowered xdk they are also buying the full speed version with an nv2a, as well as any future versions microsoft releases.
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Dr Yassam the link you posted taks about gameplay scenes as well.There are also real time scenes of thje game.Check the real time videos from the download section.There are rendered and real time scenes of the game.All looking great.And showing the PS2 power.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
All looking great.And showing the PS2 power.
Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot about those later pics (even though they were in the link I posted - Doh!).
You are right, they do appear to be from the PS2 version, and despite being of a lower quality to the previous pre-rendered pics, they do look great just the same.
However, it is these which should be compared to the current XBox version (as Vertical694 has correctly shown above), and indeed the XBox version does look better than the PS2 version.
Naturally the PS2 version would have improved further, but it shows that those who accused Oddworld of abandoning the PS2 because they didn\'t have the talent or because they had no 3D experience are wrong.