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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Animal Mother on January 08, 2001, 07:56:02 PM
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I\'m sure this will be the latest thing that anti-Xbox people will latch onto as the undeniable reason for the downfall of the console... Nonetheless, here\'s the news bit:
http://www.gamers.com/news/499213
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i dont like the news....sound stupid.....Japanese hate xbox because of the size? this so stupid....
For me, buying x-box is only a tiny tiny extremely tiny thing that came across my mind.....so im defenitely not x-box suporter.....
For me, with nintendo, sony and sega is in Japan, i will doubt MS X-Box will win the campaign in that country...the only place that MS might win is only in US, well just my opinion, so dont bother...
Gamecube is also coming soon.....and i would say that gamecube looks like gonna be awesome....i think im gonna grab one my self...
by the time x-box came out Sony PS2 will be in a very strong condition....just wait&see on March.....you\'ll see...
Offtopic:
Hey, Singapore just started cashless society campaign....any other country want to follow? hahaha.....it\'s very cooll.....
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cashless?
u mean a regression back to the ancient barter system? hell, ive been ranting about this for years. u got a link for more info?
mm
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I don\'t think there\'s anything wrong with the Xbox\'s size.. in fact.. I\'d like for it to be bigger. Hell if it played games, I\'d put the damn GS Cube right in my living room. I\'d make it kinda like a Coffee Table/Console combo. Now that\'s American. :)
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That is posibily the most asinine reason for not liking a console. It\'s not like the X-Box is the size of a couch or anything that extreme.
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Hmmmm, Japan seems to like small, cute things. Their cars, icons, & the popularity of small electronics like tiny cell phones and mp3 players all scream portability and pocketability. Computer games are considered a novelty in Japan, maybe because you need a PC that is the size of 5-6 PS2\'s to fully enjoy them? I guess they just like small electronics and consider bulky gadgets to be a waste of space, whereas Americans love bigger and louder things. But then again, they live on a crowded island where space (property) is more coveted. Maybe it\'s in their blood...
I for one would love to see a console the 3/4 the size of an A/V receiver, strewn with cooling fans and heat sinks. Videogames are still thought of as playtoys, mainly (imo) due to their size and designs. Take the N64 and PSOne for example. Unless consoles break out of their shoddy exterior, many will think of them as mere playthings. But you and I both know they are for playing... games....... I mean.. uhh... oh nevermind.
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PSOne says, "I\'m a lil faggort, play with me."
PS- Please don\'t think of this as a psx bashing, I love all my ps games. :)
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
I\'m sure this will be the latest thing that anti-Xbox people will latch onto as the undeniable reason for the downfall of the console... Nonetheless, here\'s the news bit:
http://www.gamers.com/news/499213
Kind of like how the Japanese are buying the PS2 to play DVD movies only. I have no doubt that a real game console will rule Japan and actually sell games. :) DVD movies are definatly more exciting than the PS2 games so I can understand how they feel.
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LOL @ Docwiz...that\'s ****in funny!
I give a flying **** what Japan thinks. Isn\'t DC floundering there too? Didn\'t they create Pokemon? Screw them. Just cause they\'re so ****ing short and feel inadequite, doesn\'t mean they need to put down superior and bigger US born \'systems\'......heh, if ya get my drift.... ;)
Note: EThugg wishes to inform you the above was a joke, so don\'t feel free to flame me, I\'m not an ignorant racist.... I\'m just right! :p
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Well guys, we got great news for Daily Radar, and it\'s
called "Xbox VS PS2".
http://www.dailyradar.com/features/game_feature_page_2078_3.html
It seems Daily Radar is pro PS2....that\'s sweet.
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Waitasecond here, you\'re still here? Heh, well, maybe everyone thought we could use you as a fool rather then your copy DWarrior who by your estimation "is not me because we have the same IP addresses" LOL. In any case...
Kind of like how the Japanese are buying the PS2 to play DVD movies only. I have no doubt that a real game console will rule Japan and actually sell games. DVD movies are definatly more exciting than the PS2 games so I can understand how they feel.
DVD movies only... I think the PS2 is being bought solely because it\'s made by Sony and we all know how much the Japanese love Sony and how much more they love them for giving them their first affordable console\\dvd player in one box. Hell, we might as well THANK sony for actually including dvd playback out of the box, I know I sure as hell am enjoying it, unlike what I can say for the X-Box and their Raviscent deal. Lets also not forget about MS being utterly HATED in Japan. Hate to bust all your bubbles, but there are a few constants in this world:
1. A console cannot be in the number one spot saleswise without the support of the Japanese.
2. The console that has the most RPG\'s with the likes of DragonQuest and Final Fantasy will be second to none in Japan.
3. The Japanese have hated and will continue to hate MS and all consoles created by the United States. (Jaguar, TurboGrafx 16, 3DO, etc etc etc)
4. In the choice between a windows based PC and a Mac, the Japanese will ALWAYS take Mac.
Don\'t believe me? Go to Japan or ask The Bouncer for all I care, but that stuff is dead on. A console can live off of popularity in one territory for awhile (Dreamcast, Saturn) but in the end, they fall flat. This is no offense to Dreamcast or Saturn owners and I personally hope the DC lasts MUCH longer then I anticipate, but there are far too many factors involved to keep them afloat.
On a completely unrelated topic, I\'m glad that X-box\\PS2\\NGC\\DC(finally) are going the way of broadband. Anyone ever wonder WHY PSO isn\'t selling well in Japan even though the Japanese LOVE the Phantasy Star series? Simple, most of the Japanese do not subscribe to the internet, Anyone know why not? Because the Japanese people do not have such a thing as local calls. In fact, the Japanese are charged, rather expensively, for each call they make. Imagine having to pay a nickel a minute for each minute you play PSO? It\'s like calling a long distance number here to connect to an ISP and playing for 30 hours online for the month and getting this HUGE bill. Thankfully, long distance charges are waived the second you get broadband so I am VERY glad for them that it is off to a good start and becoming extremely wide spread in that territory.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Waitasecond here, you\'re still here? Heh, well, maybe everyone thought we could use you as a fool rather then your copy DWarrior who by your estimation "is not me because we have the same IP addresses" LOL. In any case...
Kind of like how the Japanese are buying the PS2 to play DVD movies only. I have no doubt that a real game console will rule Japan and actually sell games. DVD movies are definatly more exciting than the PS2 games so I can understand how they feel.
DVD movies only... I think the PS2 is being bought solely because it\'s made by Sony and we all know how much the Japanese love Sony and how much more they love them for giving them their first affordable console\\dvd player in one box. Hell, we might as well THANK sony for actually including dvd playback out of the box, I know I sure as hell am enjoying it, unlike what I can say for the X-Box and their Raviscent deal. Lets also not forget about MS being utterly HATED in Japan. Hate to bust all your bubbles, but there are a few constants in this world:
1. A console cannot be in the number one spot saleswise without the support of the Japanese.
2. The console that has the most RPG\'s with the likes of DragonQuest and Final Fantasy will be second to none in Japan.
3. The Japanese have hated and will continue to hate MS and all consoles created by the United States. (Jaguar, TurboGrafx 16, 3DO, etc etc etc)
4. In the choice between a windows based PC and a Mac, the Japanese will ALWAYS take Mac.
Don\'t believe me? Go to Japan or ask The Bouncer for all I care, but that stuff is dead on. A console can live off of popularity in one territory for awhile (Dreamcast, Saturn) but in the end, they fall flat. This is no offense to Dreamcast or Saturn owners and I personally hope the DC lasts MUCH longer then I anticipate, but there are far too many factors involved to keep them afloat.
On a completely unrelated topic, I\'m glad that X-box\\PS2\\NGC\\DC(finally) are going the way of broadband. Anyone ever wonder WHY PSO isn\'t selling well in Japan even though the Japanese LOVE the Phantasy Star series? Simple, most of the Japanese do not subscribe to the internet, Anyone know why not? Because the Japanese people do not have such a thing as local calls. In fact, the Japanese are charged, rather expensively, for each call they make. Imagine having to pay a nickel a minute for each minute you play PSO? It\'s like calling a long distance number here to connect to an ISP and playing for 30 hours online for the month and getting this HUGE bill. Thankfully, long distance charges are waived the second you get broadband so I am VERY glad for them that it is off to a good start and becoming extremely wide spread in that territory. [/B]
I don\'t know about you bro, but I have a real DVD player with a 5 disc changer and a remote. I don\'t have to use my controller like some toy.... oh look its a DVD player as an afterthought. You might as well use your PC to play DVD\'s because thats how backwards that is. I paid less than 300 US dollars for my DVD player and I don\'t have to rummage through all the useless crappy games.
Don\'t fool yourself. The PS2 was bought in Japan to play DVD\'s and a few of you suckers are playing more DVD\'s on your PS2 than games because you know the games are always second.
yeah, Japan hates american stuff, please go tell that to Ford or GM. Dumbasses... Macs in Japan, they are failing like your attempt to make BS. If you read the news bro, you would know this to be true. :)
Nice chatting with you,please don\'t hesitate to come back when you have some REAL answers. :) See ya!
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I don\'t know about you bro, but I have a real DVD player with a 5 disc changer and a remote. I don\'t have to use my controller like some toy.... oh look its a DVD player as an afterthought. You might as well use your PC to play DVD\'s because thats how backwards that is. I paid less than 300 US dollars for my DVD player and I don\'t have to rummage through all the useless crappy games.
I don\'t see how your DVD player makes it anymore different or "real" then the PS2 DVD player in my room. Also, I could careless if you use your controller or a remote, what difference does it make honestly? It\'s not like I have a living room or baedroom that requires more then 9 feet of cord anyways. To each their own, but know this, not everyone feels the same way you do about the PS2 DVD functionality. When DVD players are 80 bucks like that of a lot of VCR\'s and are just as common, then maybe you can cast the PS2\'s dvd functions as useless, but that isn\'t the fact today. Also, why do you need to change through 5 disks on a DVD player? Honestly, do you watch the same movies over and over? I\'m sure you change them eventually so what\'s the point... unless of course, you only own 5 DVD\'s.
As for that crappy games thing, that\'s your opinion, but how you can claim that the X-Box will be better without even playing their games is more then presumptuous, but hey, . You also assume that the PS2 won\'t have ANY good games at all, how naive can you be, but by your estimation, I can presume that all the X-Box games are going to be crappy as well since being naive is the tone of most of your posts when you talk about games.
Don\'t fool yourself. The PS2 was bought in Japan to play DVD\'s and a few of you suckers are playing more DVD\'s on your PS2 than games because you know the games are always second.
Lets look at that statement for a second. There are probably at least 200 decent movies I would not mind owning and watching as a redone digitally remastered DVD or at least 100 for the average movie goer, does that mean I like games any less? HELL NO! All because we like DVD\'s and this is my own personal DVD player, I immediately ignore games? I don\'t think so. In fact, I own 5 games right now, the same amount I owned when I bought the DC and just like the DC, the PS2 is in a release drought after launch.
Hell, the PS2 did have the biggest launch in all gaming history though so I can excuse that a bit and I can easily hold out until March when the first wave of truly memorable games get released. For you to say that those games will all be "crappy" is a statement that any true gamer would disagree with. In fact, I\'m willing to bet you haven\'t even played any of those great games sinc eyou loathe sony so, I\'m just wondering who the hell are you to judge games that you haven\'t even tried?
yeah, Japan hates american stuff, please go tell that to Ford or GM. Dumbasses... Macs in Japan, they are failing like your attempt to make BS. If you read the news bro, you would know this to be true.
Don\'t read too much into my statement as referring to GM and Ford. I never mentioned them so stop throwing me crap that is irrelevant. Ford and GM sell well, but they dont make consoles or computers ok, bro? Also, Macs failing, maybe in the US, but not in Japan. Sorry, but Macs are still preferred over PC\'s there. I can understand why when most applications designed for PC\'s and Mac\'s are preferabbly used on a Mac and since most Japanese people do not play games online, they use their computers for other applications like 3D, photo alteration, and college work... take most of Adobe\'s products for example, they run better on Macs.
Nice chatting with you,please don\'t hesitate to come back when you have some REAL answers.
Real answers to what? The topic was "The japanese hate the xbox" and you used that topic as a means to bash the PS2. I think you\'re the one who needs some "real answers."
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Dose this mean that the Japanese are Anti-X Box , Anit-Microsoft or Anti-Bill Gates ?
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Originally posted by mm
cashless?
u mean a regression back to the ancient barter system? hell, ive been ranting about this for years. u got a link for more info?
mm
i heard it on CNN news....(well, TV), they start pulling money (coins and notes) out of circulation......i think Singapore targeted by 2008....no more coins and notes used for transaction, they use something like credit card or something like that, but not credit card....also something about digital bla bla....i dont remeber.....
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Originally posted by Ryu
3. The Japanese have hated and will continue to hate MS and all consoles created by the United States. (Jaguar, TurboGrafx 16, 3DO, etc etc etc)
All the more reason for the XBox to succeed wouldn\'t you say?
There are many reasons why those consoles failed (including high costs and the fact that NONE of them were actually very good compared to other consoles!).
I\'m amazed sometimes at all those who seem to want the Xbox to fail. For the first time we have a western based console with a chance of breaking apart the Japanese dominance of the console market, yet instead of supporting it, you\'re against it!
Sure many hate MS (even if they don\'t know why), but that is not a good reason to be against the XBox. Think about it, if the XBox succeeds (and I\'m sure it will), then surely other western companies will consider entering the console market with GOOD machines also?
IMO, the success of the XBox will open the way for others to follow, and will rid many of the idea that a console MUST be Japanese to be great. These are a few of many reasons why I hope it succeeds (the PS2\'s success is virtually guarenteed).
So who knows what will follow, perhaps when XBox2 is due for release, a US company may be preparing to release ther first XBox2/PS3 beating console. :)
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Originally posted by EThugg
LOL @ Docwiz...that\'s ****in funny!
I give a flying **** what Japan thinks. Isn\'t DC floundering there too? Didn\'t they create Pokemon? Screw them. Just cause they\'re so ****ing short and feel inadequite, doesn\'t mean they need to put down superior and bigger US born \'systems\'......heh, if ya get my drift.... ;)
Note: EThugg wishes to inform you the above was a joke, so don\'t feel free to flame me, I\'m not an ignorant racist.... I\'m just right! :p
RACIST BASTARD, RACIST J-A-C-K A-S-S, RACIST S-H-I-T HEAD......
and by all best possible way i\'m also, like u, just kiddin around........ :D :D so with do all respect im sorry....and please dont flame me......PS2 rulez people.....hahaha :D :bounce: :bounce:
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Originally posted by Julien
Well guys, we got great news for Daily Radar, and it\'s
called "Xbox VS PS2".
http://www.dailyradar.com/features/game_feature_page_2078_3.html
It seems Daily Radar is pro PS2....that\'s sweet.
Uhhhh, thats just one of 6 parts. Dont be biased, like that section is. They have every section saying their system is better. Sega Radar saying DC\'s better, Sony Radars saying PS2\'s better, etc. I think the whole article is stupid, even the pro-XB one....each is a bland biased piece of journalism that barely counts as amusing, much less informative.
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Originally posted by JackZ
Originally posted by EThugg
LOL @ Docwiz...that\'s ****in funny!
I give a flying **** what Japan thinks. Isn\'t DC floundering there too? Didn\'t they create Pokemon? Screw them. Just cause they\'re so ****ing short and feel inadequite, doesn\'t mean they need to put down superior and bigger US born \'systems\'......heh, if ya get my drift.... ;)
Note: EThugg wishes to inform you the above was a joke, so don\'t feel free to flame me, I\'m not an ignorant racist.... I\'m just right! :p
RACIST BASTARD, RACIST J-A-C-K A-S-S, RACIST S-H-I-T HEAD......
and by all best possible way i\'m also, like u, just kiddin around........ :D :D so with do all respect im sorry....and please dont flame me......PS2 rulez people.....hahaha :D :bounce: :bounce: [/B]
RACIST???? ILL SHOW YOU RACIST!!!! My impression of every asian person on the planet:
--------->:D -Hi! I\'m Jackie Chan!
LOL....this post is gonna be so deleted by a mod. It\'s a joke! I don\'t mean it really! Please dont ban me, but I cant resist offending! Its a problem I have....stemming from that glue sniffing....
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Originally posted by Julien
Well guys, we got great news for Daily Radar, and it\'s
called "Xbox VS PS2".
http://www.dailyradar.com/features/game_feature_page_2078_3.html
It seems Daily Radar is pro PS2....that\'s sweet.
for god sake...i am not xbox suporter....but how do you know and compare PS2 and XBOX.......there is no way u can compare them at this momment except for the specs...
the darn xbox is still not in the market.....we dont know how customer will react, we dont know how the game developers can fully take advantage of xbox.........how the controller feel when playing the game, is it comfy? nice? and many more.........hrrrrrr i hate arguing about these.........but its kinda fun.......
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Ah. Docwiz finally returns. But not too last long. You see, mm did something too the ban lists. So i deleted all ips. Now i\'ll be able to ban docwiz once again. :D
Gotta love the world. :D
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Ah. Docwiz finally returns. But not too last long. You see, mm did something too the ban lists. So i deleted all ips. Now i\'ll be able to ban docwiz once again. :D
Gotta love the world. :D
That\'s great... :D
It makes you wonder though... When those banlists were deleted... WUPTI - Docwiz enters. You should almost think he sits by his PC every night trying to reply. Then suddenly he get\'s lucky and is able to post again (although for a limited time I suppose).
Strange, aint it. :)
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He misses us proving him wrong. God forbid one of the other fanboys at msxbox say something posotive about another console.
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Do I have to pull out the evidence of the increased ps2 game sales in japan. and recently IN the USA..
Naw, I thought I would, but even if it was from a reliable news source you would not belive it unless its from MS.. ROFL!
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origianaly posted by ooseven
Hmmmm i wonder
Dose this mean that the Japanese are Anti-X Box , Anit-Microsoft or Anti-Bill Gates ?
No it doesnt mean the japanese are anti X-Box it just means when they see how good it really is they will beg the stores for 1.Although I think the controller is a little big.
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Docwiz has a "real" dvd player everyone.. What is real may i add?..
But i bet he will buy the Xbox. Maybe he will buy the Remote too. Maybe not, But if he does. Isn\'t he paying for something he already has in the system. DVD?
If you could have DVD on the PS2 using a controller,
or
If u could have DVD on the ps2 ONLY if your brought a remote.. Which would u choose?
Me i\'ll take the controller. I\'m not paying for hardware to get used when its already there.
A remote should be a Addon or a maybe. "Meaning maybe i\'ll get one oneday, Maybe not."
Not a "I have too buy a remote to use DVD"
That is just BS.
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I just wanna know why SONIC is on that the PSOne?????????
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Weird.
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lol, I have no idea...
I never noticed that
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3. The Japanese have hated and will continue to hate MS and all consoles created by the United States. (Jaguar, TurboGrafx 16, 3DO, etc etc etc)
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Just a minor fix, the TurboGrafx/Duo was a Japanese product that had no support here. It is made by NEC a Japanese company.
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
Originally posted by Ryu
3. The Japanese have hated and will continue to hate MS and all consoles created by the United States. (Jaguar, TurboGrafx 16, 3DO, etc etc etc)
All the more reason for the XBox to succeed wouldn\'t you say?
There are many reasons why those consoles failed (including high costs and the fact that NONE of them were actually very good compared to other consoles!).
I\'m amazed sometimes at all those who seem to want the Xbox to fail. For the first time we have a western based console with a chance of breaking apart the Japanese dominance of the console market, yet instead of supporting it, you\'re against it!
Sure many hate MS (even if they don\'t know why), but that is not a good reason to be against the XBox. Think about it, if the XBox succeeds (and I\'m sure it will), then surely other western companies will consider entering the console market with GOOD machines also?
IMO, the success of the XBox will open the way for others to follow, and will rid many of the idea that a console MUST be Japanese to be great. These are a few of many reasons why I hope it succeeds (the PS2\'s success is virtually guarenteed).
So who knows what will follow, perhaps when XBox2 is due for release, a US company may be preparing to release ther first XBox2/PS3 beating console. :)
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The Reverend\'s sentiments exactly. However, I think hatred for Microsoft has a lot to do with this also. Many in here don\'t want Xbox to succeed because it\'s from Microsoft. Why? Well, somehow it became cool to hate Microsoft and Bill Gates. I guess some high-profile individual made it publicly known that he hated Gates and some people thought he was cool and so they thought it was cool to hate Gates. It created a snowball effect down until even today. Most Americans are patriotic, I would say (however, I\'m not one of those). Those who know the history of videogames will know that the $11 billion a year phenomenon was born in the United States (at MIT to be exact). Thinking about that, don\'t you think that a US console SHOULD be dominating the market right now? It\'s kind of ironic if you think about it, really. After 3DO it seemed that the Americans just gave up and the majority of them focused on the PC, the mother of videogames.
The Xbox is almost symbolic in a sense. It\'s a child of the PC, and the PC is an American invetion. Game consoles are also an American invention, so isn\'t it fitting that the "child" of PC technology represents America\'s latest entry into the console market? Forget Bill Gates, forget that it\'s from Microsoft for a minute. Xbox is symbolic of the "Phoenix" rising from the ashes. Xbox represents the New American Console. All the mistakes of the past have been learned from. ****y marketing, lack of support, and lack of quality hardware has all been learned from, and Xbox represents that. Xbox is a Renaissance, if you will. For godsakes, games were born on US soil, the console was born on US soil, so why shouldn\'t a US console be the industry leader? The bold-face truth is that Microsoft are sadly the only ones QUALIFIED to launch an American console if you think about it. In fact, I challenge any one of you to name ONE US company that is qualified to launch a game console. Go ahead...I\'m waiting. I thought so. NO other American company has the market presence of Microsoft. NO other American company has the business AND software expertise of Microsoft. Hey, they may play dirty, but there isn\'t a such thing as love in the business world. The corporate world is dog-eat-dog. It\'s trample or be trampled. Survival of the fittest. If you have to steal to win, goddammit then you steal! Not one of the three Japanese console manufacturers want to play nice and fair. They all want the biggest piece of the pie and don\'t you ever forget it. If Sony, Sega, or Nintendo could, they would lie, cheat, and steal just to get that large piece. Don\'t let yourself be fooled people, business is a dirty game. That\'s gospel from the Reverend.
It\'s fine if the Japanese gamers HATE Microsoft, but it\'s mind-boggling why American gamers do. Does it matter if Microsoft is the one coming out with the Xbox? What other software company is qualified to release a GAME machine? Linux? No. They don\'t know games. Sun? Hell no! They don\'t know games. Microsoft knows games and have been making great ones for years. They happened to hear the complaints of numerous developers and met with them. They wrote down notes and welcomed feedback from many-a-developer on what they want in a console...hell, they even went to hardcore gamers and got feedback. They decided to do something about it and Xbox is the result. They are survivors in the evolution of the corporate system and have proven themselves worthy of releasing a game console. Frankly, America couldn\'t ask for a better qualified candidate. I\'m no huge fan of the Microsoft Corporation, but I am humble enough to realize that evolution has chosen them to release a game console. The Reverend is confident that Xbox will help games evolve into a more respectable form of entertainment. I\'m sick of people looking at me weird when I say I love to play games. I want the same reaction as when I say, "I love to watch movies." Xbox is the console that will help games evolve into a respectable form of entertainment. So what if you hate Microsoft? Is that really a legit reason not to buy an American console? Are your reasons legitamate to begin with? Those are some questions that some here should ponder on.
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so is it american to support a man and a console born on theft? bill gates is a thief and u cannot contest that. steven jobs is the man we want, not bill gates.
i\'ll buy an xbox cause it will have good games, i dont care is some dude made it in the back of his garage out of dog poop, an old transister radio, some duck tape, and an avacado. as long as it doesnt have a nintendo logo on it, ill be happy as a bee!
mm
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That\'s all that should matter, mm. I could care less about your personal views about Microsoft, but if a system has great games and awesome hardware, why should that stop you from purchasing it. I was not addressing people like you, mm, only people who say, "I\'m not buying Xbox cuz I hate Bill Gates and/or Microsux!"
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thats just the way it is. how boycotts are created.
im a hardcore gamer so i will look past bill gates deception. but the average person? hell yeah they wont support him for that.
mm
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**Double Post**
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Many in here don\'t want Xbox to succeed because it\'s from Microsoft. Why? Well, somehow it became cool to hate Microsoft and Bill Gates. Those who know the history of videogames will know that the $11 billion a year phenomenon was born in the United States (at MIT to be exact). Thinking about that, don\'t you think that a US console SHOULD be dominating the market right now? It\'s kind of ironic if you think about it, really. After 3DO it seemed that the Americans just gave up and the majority of them focused on the PC, the mother of videogames.
**Edited for BS**
I don\'t want X-Box to succeed because it doesn\'t take any chances for its creativity or lack thereof. They created a controller that looks VERY similar to a DC pad, an old PC style architecture with a few bells and whistles, no DVD support out of the box, and the longest list of ports I have ever seen. Wanna know why I hate the X-Box? Because it brings absolutely nothing to the table of innovation.
The NGC\'s console design is innovative, a compact cube that had never been done before with a controller that looks different from every controller devised today. The PS2 is the first console to utilize DVD playback as a built in feature and the first console to utilize streaming technology as its main program medium and its the first console with pressure sensitive buttons on its controller. The Dreamcast is the first controller to utilize VMU features and full fledged internet play.
After reading all that, what does the X-Box offer us? I can\'t think of ANYTHING innovative. Not one damn thing that will effect the way I play games.
All the mistakes of the past have been learned from. ****y marketing, lack of support, and lack of quality hardware has all been learned from, and Xbox represents that.
Yep, now they are making all new ones. Incomplete devkits because of incomplete hardware (NV25), a machine that plays DVD\'s but doesn\'t, a "justified" higher cost (so says Allard) thanks to an ethernet port and an added HD, and an old PC architecture that brings nothing new to the table. Look, there\'s just nothing that makes me say "wow" when I look at the X-Box. Polygons don\'t mean anything to me when their only real franchise title is a game I can buy on my PC.
Xbox represents the New American Console.
To me, the country it comes from makes little difference. Want X-Box to succeed in Japan with the MS brand name still carved on it, get DragonQuest 8. That\'s right, wanna curry the Japanese\'s favor, use a game. You think they hate American products, don\'t give me that BS, they just don\'t like MS, period. But if you put a series they love on what they hate, they have no choice but to buy it. They still know its about the games, despite them buying a system for DVD only according to Docjizz...docwiz...Dwarrior, wtfever his name is. DOn\'t give me this "rising from the ashes" crap, it\'s just a console... what is it with people on this forum using religious tones for gaming? blah.
It\'s fine if the Japanese gamers HATE Microsoft, but it\'s mind-boggling why American gamers do.
No, it\'s not. If I could play Half Life on a mac with Counter-Strike, I would. If I could play half the programs that are out as fast as the PC counterpart on the Mac, I would. Truth is, they aren\'t and that pisses me off. I don\'t have a choice when it comes to games, I have to buy a PC with windows to play the games that I want to enjoy as soon as they come out. Things are not equal in the PC world and MS knows this and it really sucks. They leave us with a lack of options and no one likes that. Mind boggling? I say that\'s a pretty simple reason for hatred. Like if Sony was the only company making TV\'s and all they made was 31" Wega\'s that cost 2000 dollars. Do you think you have enough for that? What choice do you have if you want to watch TV and movies? Then suppose the only competition didn\'t work with your Sony VCR or your Sony DVD player. That would really suck and that is exactly my point.
So what if you hate Microsoft? Is that really a legit reason not to buy an American console?
I agree with that, it\'s not reason enough. However, as I said, I dont like them not because they are MS, I don\'t like them because they bring nothing to the table, like stepping backwards. Sticking with the TV analogy, suppose we all went the MS way. We all have black and white TV\'s and MS comes out with the clearest black and white TV that\'s somehow all in highres, then up comes Nintendo and introduces the all new COLOR TV, which are you going to buy? That\'s what I thought.
Are your reasons legitamate to begin with?
I think my reasons are more legitamate then yours for hating Sony.
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exactly Ryu!
RevX you were told!
*school childen* owwwwwwwww
I won\'t like the x-box untill they bring something new to the console industy, and they have yet to, and don\'t look to do that... they are too used to taking it easy and sitting on their ass with windows, well thats going to change!
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Originally posted by THX
Hmmmm, Japan seems to like small, cute things. Their cars, icons, & the popularity of small electronics like tiny cell phones and mp3 players all scream portability and pocketability. Computer games are considered a novelty in Japan, maybe because you need a PC that is the size of 5-6 PS2\'s to fully enjoy them? I guess they just like small electronics and consider bulky gadgets to be a waste of space, whereas Americans love bigger and louder things. But then again, they live on a crowded island where space (property) is more coveted. Maybe it\'s in their blood...
I for one would love to see a console the 3/4 the size of an A/V receiver, strewn with cooling fans and heat sinks. Videogames are still thought of as playtoys, mainly (imo) due to their size and designs. Take the N64 and PSOne for example. Unless consoles break out of their shoddy exterior, many will think of them as mere playthings. But you and I both know they are for playing... games....... I mean.. uhh... oh nevermind.
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Denon AVR-5800 says, "I 0wN J00 7nD 1\'m g0nNa k1lL J00".
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PSOne says, "I\'m a lil faggort, play with me."
PS- Please don\'t think of this as a psx bashing, I love all my ps games. :)
UM Why is that PSone playing Sonic adventure?
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The moniter has Sonic on it cause they have it so you can hook other things up to it (systems, dvd players, vcrs).
Also, I\'ll add that Xbox is creative not in system design (although the design is fine), but in the creative support groups that MS hired that is working with developers to do new and exciting things. Any unbiased person who knows what they\'re talking about would agree.
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Originally posted by EThugg
The moniter has Sonic on it cause they have it so you can hook other things up to it (systems, dvd players, vcrs).
Also, I\'ll add that Xbox is creative not in system design (although the design is fine), but in the creative support groups that MS hired that is working with developers to do new and exciting things. Any unbiased person who knows what they\'re talking about would agree.
No, only a biased person like you would agree.
Name one thing that MS has done creative and innovative to the console industy, and untill you do I will always shoot your creative crap down.
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I can clear up the bit about why the Japanese are concerned about size. Japan is small and is quickly becoming overpopulated. Added to the fact that they have some of the highest real estate prices in the world. The average Japanese family lives in an apartment or a dwelling of equal size. Space is a very big issue for most Japanese. Everything\'s foldable, hideable, or just plain small. Their bathroom sink is attached to the toilet, just to give you an idea.
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Originally posted by Teragen
I can clear up the bit about why the Japanese are concerned about size. Japan is small and is quickly becoming overpopulated. Added to the fact that they have some of the highest real estate prices in the world. The average Japanese family lives in an apartment or a dwelling of equal size. Space is a very big issue for most Japanese. Everything\'s foldable, hideable, or just plain small. Their bathroom sink is attached to the toilet, just to give you an idea.
Yes, that is part of the reason, but only part of the reason. Its just japaneesee are picky towards american products.
I have no problem with MS in the market if they further the develpment of the console industy but so far they have yet to do so.
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I don\'t want X-Box to succeed because it doesn\'t take any chances for its creativity or lack thereof. They created a controller that looks VERY similar to a DC pad, an old PC style architecture with a few bells and whistles, no DVD support out of the box, and the longest list of ports I have ever seen. Wanna know why I hate the X-Box? Because it brings absolutely nothing to the table of innovation.
However misguided you are, I must respect your opinion. However I\'d like to make a rebuttal. I believe different from you on the fact that a gaming system has to be "creative". Microsoft doesn\'t care about being "creative" as far as system design goes. A console\'s "creativity" has nothing to do with what really matters, and that\'s the games. What Xbox brings to the table though are resources to help the developers be creative. The developers are the only ones who need to be creative and that\'s all I or any other gamer should worry about. The technology Microsoft has provided is the best technology to create games on. That\'s why it has the PC architecture. Every developer already knows how to program for Xbox, so they can spend all their time creating great content instead of wrestling with new hardware. Xbox may be like a PC inside, but there\'s no doubt that it will be the most powerful machine on the market this fall. As for the games...don\'t judge yet because we haven\'t seen all the Xbox exclusives from Microsoft and their second parties. You and anyone else who makes the "portbox" argument are being a bit hasty. Reserve your argument until after E3. Right now you\'re merely speculating since most of the REVEALED titles can be found on other platforms. By the way, for every port you can name for the Xbox, I can name one for the PS2.
About the controller: If it ain\'t broke, don\'t fix it. Microsoft designed many controllers (they even had one shaped like an "X"!!) and tested them all over the world. Gamers chose the DC-like design, not Microsoft. It seems as if Sega\'s design passed the focus groups and research labs. However, Microsoft has tweaked the design so that it is much more comfortable than the DC pad. You have to realize that MS just doesn\'t design a controller and say, "Okay, this is it!" No, they test, test, and test! I\'ll say it again, Microsoft didn\'t choose the controller, the gamers that tested it chose it. The majority chose the DC-like design period. Maybe you should have signed up for the focus group Ryu. Every vote counts! :D
The NGC\'s console design is innovative, a compact cube that had never been done before with a controller that looks different from every controller devised today. The PS2 is the first console to utilize DVD playback as a built in feature and the first console to utilize streaming technology as its main program medium and its the first console with pressure sensitive buttons on its controller. The Dreamcast is the first controller to utilize VMU features and full fledged internet play.
As for innovation, Xbox is the first GAME MACHINE with a built in HDD and an Ethernet port. Unlike a "compact design" and the VMU that have added no innovation to GAMES, the Xbox\'s HDD and Ethernet WILL add innovation to GAMES. However, I\'ll refrain from explaining this since individuals such as yourself need tangible proof. The DVD movie playback adds absolutely NOTHING to the GAMES. This is all a matter of Microsoft and Sony\'s philosophies. The Xbox is a GAME MACHINE, while PS2 is the Sony Corporation all in one box. Any thing wrong with that? Depends on who you ask. Microsoft did not include DVD movie playback in the box because the developers didn\'t want it. It\'s all about keeping them happy. Developers were worried about the PS2 situation...keep in mind that the Konami\'s and the EA\'s won\'t make money off of DVD movie sales. They wanted to make sure that their games would sell and so Microsoft included DVD movie playback as an OPTION. Ryu, do you have a PS2? Do you watch DVD movies? If so, did you purchase a remote and reciever for it? Thank you. Excluding DVD movie playback will have zero effect on the games. Just as you complain about Xbox not having movie playback, I can complain about PS2 lacking a HDD/Ethernet, except my complaint would be legit. A HDD/Ethernet ADD-ON will split the GAMES market which is bad for Sony. A $30 remote package for the Xbox does not. If you want to watch movies, fine. If you don\'t, fine. But all Xboxes will be the same hardware-wise. Can we say the same about PS2?
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After reading all that, what does the X-Box offer us? I can\'t think of ANYTHING innovative. Not one damn thing that will effect the way I play games.
I can name TWO things on the Xbox that will effect the way you play games.
1. Hard Disk Drive
2. Ethernet
Name two things on the PS2 that will effect the way you play GAMES?? Ah! I thought so. I am in no way ragging on the PS2, but I just used that example to prove my argument.
exactly Ryu!
RevX you were told!
*school childen* owwwwwwwww
I won\'t like the x-box untill they bring something new to the console industy, and they have yet to, and don\'t look to do that... they are too used to taking it easy and sitting on their ass with windows, well thats going to change!
Unfortunately, I\'m obligated to myself to respect that opinion (no matter how convoluted it is). I already revealed to Ryu what new things Xbox brings to the industry. I\'m pretty sure you\'re talking about exclusive games right? I can name a handful of exclusive games for the Xbox, but I won\'t do so because you are grounded deeply in your thinking. For every PS2 exclusive title worth its salt, I can name one for Xbox. Like I said before, for every Xbox "port" you list, I can list one for the PS2, maybe two. The only problem I\'m going to have with that is that MS won\'t reveal the ton of exclusives that first and second parties are working on right now. We\'ll see at GameStock in March. Until then, you are basing your arguments on SPECULATION. You think this way: "I don\'t know of many Xbox exclusives therefore there aren\'t that many." That\'s the truth...you don\'t KNOW of any as of yet. Like me, I advise all to reserve your judgement until GameStock, or even better, E3. If we all do that then we\'ll all have FACTS to base our arguments on instead of SPECULATION. Saying Xbox will have "mostly ports" is nothing but bold-face SPECULATION. If I wanted to (and I will certainly not), I could call PS2 the PortStation2 because all it has are PSX and N64 ports. However, I won\'t do that because it is STUPID and doing so would make me a HYPOCRITE.
Please, I emphasized LEGIT reasons to hate Xbox, not trumped up ones.
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two things that the PS2 offers before ANY other console maker that affect gaming
1-DVD capacity
2-pressure sensitive analog buttons
sorry rev, had to do it
:)
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The ps2 is the first console with
1.) Back-Compatiblity
2.) 2 USB ports
3.) Firewire (ILINK)
4.) Truely expandable console, with major plans
5.) DVD playback out of the box.
6.) to play your older games better
7.) modern design
8.) pressure sensative buttons
9.) DVD medium
10.) The first have ethernet/hardrive (sorry, they will be out before your x-box)
WOW! thats ten things
and you only have two
Both of which is not unique and the ps2 will accomplish before the x-box release
so in other words, what is so innovative about the x-box!
NOTHING!
I love how you take nothing, and try to make it into something and include to much bulls*it that it seems like alot.
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Ps2 has done more for gaming then any system. Most of the systems are following it. HD/Eithernet, USB etc.
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I believe different from you on the fact that a gaming system has to be "creative". Microsoft doesn\'t care about being "creative" as far as system design goes. A console\'s "creativity" has nothing to do with what really matters, and that\'s the games.
Think of it this way: Where would we be today if every console had the same design as Nintendo\'s NES? No creativity in design, no improvement, just the tried and true to make developers happy. Now, would you really be happy as a gamer with that prospect? Remember my analogy between MS\'s hi-res B&W TV and Nintendo\'s color TV... would you prefer to make movies in color, as a director, or movies in a pretty B&W? Now, if you had to choose which movies to see, would you see the color one or the B&W one... sure, the director could still make an equally impressive movie and make the audience feel for the characters and love the story, but having it in color is just so much more filling and real. If the console does not innovate, then it bottle necks creativity. New possibilities are opened up with improved hardware and new ideas. Do you think Kojima could have thought of any other way to do certain actions for Snake without Sony\'s idea for pressure sensitive controllers? More buttons? Suppose by your logic if we still used the NES 8-bit pad. I rest my case on that.
What Xbox brings to the table though are resources to help the developers be creative. The developers are the only ones who need to be creative and that\'s all I or any other gamer should worry about. The technology Microsoft has provided is the best technology to create games on. That\'s why it has the PC architecture. Every developer already knows how to program for Xbox, so they can spend all their time creating great content instead of wrestling with new hardware.
I am worried about their creativity. Just how many second party games do you think can be made with the idea of 1/5th the dev power in mind? I know MS will be able to put out probably one first party title by launch, then there\'s the second party titles, hindered by incomplete dev kits, and then finally we have all the ports. Ports do not equal creativity no matter how much you sugar coat it with "extra features" and HD support. PC architecture does not mean it will have better games then the PS2 and that\'s fact.
About the controller: If it ain\'t broke, don\'t fix it. Microsoft designed many controllers (they even had one shaped like an "X"!!) and tested them all over the world. Gamers chose the DC-like design, not Microsoft. It seems as if Sega\'s design passed the focus groups and research labs. However, Microsoft has tweaked the design so that it is much more comfortable than the DC pad.
Hypocrite. I remember you *****ing about Sony using a dual shock 2 as their main controller and saying that it wasn\'t innovative cept say the pressure sensitive buttons, another idea MS has carefully implemented. Now, it\'s a controller that\'s much like that of a DC pad and you say "if it aint broke dont fix it"? Oh what a load of crap.
You have to realize that MS just doesn\'t design a controller and say, "Okay, this is it!" No, they test, test, and test! I\'ll say it again, Microsoft didn\'t choose the controller, the gamers that tested it chose it. The majority chose the DC-like design period. Maybe you should have signed up for the focus group Ryu. Every vote counts!
Look, I\'m sure the gamers who thry brought in probably said "We like this, but we dont like this" and they changed it accordingly, suppose again those same gamers said "Make this like the DC controller but with a round D-Pad and a second analog stick like Sony\'s"... That\'s not creative at all. I\'m sorry, but if you think 5000 numbnuts is enough to speak for the millions and millions of gamers in the world, then you are SADLY mistaken and the Japanese gamers have attested to this, quite openly I might add and to put it simply, they hate it, nuff said.
As for innovation, Xbox is the first GAME MACHINE with a built in HDD and an Ethernet port.
So, saying something will be built in instead of an add on is innovative? Suppose Sega released a 32X all in one system, would that be innovative? I don\'t think so. Just goes to show that building something in does not mean innovation when another company will already have done it first. Ethernet support and HDD\'s were announced for both Sega and Sony before MS was even taken seriously about their console so nuts to your supposed innovation brought to us by the almight MS. :rolleyes:
Unlike a "compact design" and the VMU that have added no innovation to GAMES, the Xbox\'s HDD and Ethernet WILL add innovation to GAMES.
The VMU allows me for the first time in GAMING HISTORY to take my characters from the game, download them to my VMU and level them up or improve them while I am away from my console, then, when I take the character back the next day, I can look at my VMU for all his statistics while I roam free on a clear game screen without worrying about seeing health because it\'s on my controller. Lets also not forget that the VMU allows me to see how certain motions are performed from a game on my controller ala, shenmue when doing moves. You should know that though, you supposedly play it a lot more then any PS2 games. :rolleyes:
The DVD movie playback adds absolutely NOTHING to the GAMES. This is all a matter of Microsoft and Sony\'s philosophies. The Xbox is a GAME MACHINE, while PS2 is the Sony Corporation all in one box. Any thing wrong with that? Depends on who you ask. Microsoft did not include DVD movie playback in the box because the developers didn\'t want it. It\'s all about keeping them happy.
Lets see, just using the DVD format in the console for the first time adds a lot to games seeing as how it allows for the largest amount of space on any format in gaming history, another idea MS is now using. Lets also not forget that Sony lovs its developers as much as MS does supposedly and it sounds like Squaresoft is pretty happy where they are, especially since they have yet to announce their loyalty to MS even though you said they would at the CES, another sermon wasted right, Revvy?
Also, lets not praise the X-Box for being a game machine here when it is CLEARLY more then that when it has an HD and an ehternet port and DVD playback. Having it to where it can play DVD\'s with or without the inclusion of a remote does not make it ANY LESS of a DVD player then Sony\'s machine. you said "so what, 30 bucks for a remote" well, now, that\'s a bit of a double edged sword isn\'t it? To make developers happy, you gotta pay 30-50 extra dollars, does that make you happy especially when that money could be used towards a game or some other peripheral?
Developers were worried about the PS2 situation...keep in mind that the Konami\'s and the EA\'s won\'t make money off of DVD movie sales. They wanted to make sure that their games would sell and so Microsoft included DVD movie playback as an OPTION.
Last I checked, develoeprs were pleased with the sales of the PS2 software given the amount available to the public as present. So, what\'s your point? Sure, developers don\'t make any money off of DVD sales, but it seems they are making plenty of money off of gamesales instead. Developers unhappy about DVD playback? I think that\'s a rumor you can put to rest after past Christmas sales of the PS2 software dont you think, Revvy?
Ryu, do you have a PS2? Do you watch DVD movies? If so, did you purchase a remote and reciever for it? Thank you.
Actually, no I didn\'t at first. I was content with the controller and can easily say that for every person who has a ps2, not all of them have a remote and are content with their controller, but the fact of having a choice for their medium is great, something MS does not give you since you end up paying for the DVD player REGARDLESS of the remote you buy, unless they drop the price of the console and make the remote cost 200 dollars which I seriously doubt they will do.
Excluding DVD movie playback will have zero effect on the games. Just as you complain about Xbox not having movie playback, I can complain about PS2 lacking a HDD/Ethernet, except my complaint would be legit. A HDD/Ethernet ADD-ON will split the GAMES market which is bad for Sony. A $30 remote package for the Xbox does not. If you want to watch movies, fine. If you don\'t, fine. But all Xboxes will be the same hardware-wise. Can we say the same about PS2?
The fact that you miss is that the consumer STILL pays for a DVD player in the console as well. what\'s the point of paying extra for a feature you may or may not use. Lets put that to test again with ethernet support. How many people in the US and Japan really have broadband support? Not nearly as much as the 56K market by a long shot, but hey, with the PS2, we got a choice thanks to the USB ports on the front of the machine and current USB modems, but I guess that Ethernet I am paying extra money for is useless if I dont have broadband, right? Lets also not forget the implication of an HD for games is useful only in the way for saving the entire game to the HD and decreasing load times, but that doesn\'t mean load times are non existant at all, and what good is dling certain expansions for games if I don\'t have BB in my house... does that mean I payed all this money so games load faster? hah, pure genius when it comes to money suction on MS\'s part, but you buy into it as if it was the greatest thing since canned ham. :rolleyes:
Now answer this, do I have to pay extra for the HDD and the ethernet adapter if I dont have BB in my house? Not with Sony. You see, no games, I repeat, NO GAMES will require a HDD for the Sony system. Sure, there will be benefits to having both the BB and the HDD, but by no means will you need it to play your favorite games just like how Sega does not require you to go online to dl certain things that would fix bugs in the game, but if you ever wanted to, you HAVE THE OPTION of doing so. Unlike X-Box, you pay for peripherals, expensive ones at that, that you may or may not use... I may not buy a DVD remote, but I pay for it anyways and I may not have BB, but I have to buy that ethernet adapter anyways... and if I have a 56K service? Well, I guess I am **** out of luck then huh? Oh well.
I can name TWO things on the Xbox that will effect the way you play games.
1. Hard Disk Drive
2. Ethernet
But Sony offers them first, so what\'s your point on them offering it when it\'s clear that Sony will be the first to offer an HDD and Sega is the first to offer Ethernet support? What exactly is MS bringing when the ideas are already done?
As for games, all you want is better graphics and you can tell that by your sig so you don\'t even qualify to speak of such things ok, revvy?
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Originally posted by Chrono
The ps2 is the first console with
1.) Back-Compatiblity
2.) 2 USB ports
3.) Firewire (ILINK)
4.) Truely expandable console, with major plans
5.) DVD playback out of the box.
6.) to play your older games better
7.) modern design
8.) pressure sensative buttons
9.) DVD medium
10.) The first have ethernet/hardrive (sorry, they will be out before your x-box)
WOW! thats ten things
and you only have two
Both of which is not unique and the ps2 will accomplish before the x-box release
so in other words, what is so innovative about the x-box!
NOTHING!
I love how you take nothing, and try to make it into something and include to much bulls*it that it seems like alot.
Greatly put.
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People who already has a DVD player might not think that the DVD in PS2 is that hot, however, there\'s a HUGE market out there with people with no DVD player and all the covenience of a top class game console and DVD player is sure the hell attractive to first time DVD buyers.
Furthermore, I can do without another piece of h/w equipment(and cables!!!) in my living room considering that I\'ve other equipments and consoles to hook up to.
This year will sees the beginning of the first wave of titles that\'ll truly take advantage of the PS2 ( GT3, MGS2, the new Naughty Dog game etc). The recent announcement by Climax on their new graphics engine that can do 19 million poly/sec seems to prove the early sentiments of most developers that mentioned "The PS2 will have the biggest jump for a console in each generation of games" seems to be coming true as developers learn to grasp the complexity and weirdness of the PS2.
btw, from what was mentioned by MS, the X-box will undoubtly be much higher priced than the PS2(which will probably have a small price drop when the X-Box is released too).
and oh yes, I pretty much agreed a console will NEVER make it big time without the support of japanese developers.
In the end, it\'s the games that makes the console. I would rather play FF9 in low-res on my trusty old PSX than another me-too Quake game or PC ports on the X-Box with superior graphics anyday.
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so in other words, what is so innovative about the x-box!
NOTHING!
That I totally DISAGREE! Look at this!
(1) A huge X on the top of the console!
(2) A crossbred SideWinder/Genesis pad that everyone complains!
(3) Ton & tons of PC ports which I already have on my PC(and will probably be playing on much faster machine by the time X-Box is released)!
(4) Lock away DVD! So cool! Hackers will love it!
(5) Propriatery USB!!(It propriaterly universal - that\'s like saying it\'s a CLOSED OPENED SYSTEM ).
(6) A 32-bit CPU! (Eat dust, 128-bit suckers!)
(7) A yet to be completed graphic chip that noone knows for sure how it\'ll perform!!
(8) Built in hard drive for bug patches which all PC developers dutifully released every week!
(9) Direct X!
(10) Illegal Operation Error!!!
See? It does have it fair share of innovations!
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Originally posted by Chrono
The ps2 is the first console with
1.) Back-Compatiblity
2.) 2 USB ports
3.) Firewire (ILINK)
4.) Truely expandable console, with major plans
5.) DVD playback out of the box.
6.) to play your older games better
7.) modern design
8.) pressure sensative buttons
9.) DVD medium
10.) The first have ethernet/hardrive (sorry, they will be out before your x-box)
WOW! thats ten things
and you only have two
Both of which is not unique and the ps2 will accomplish before the x-box release
so in other words, what is so innovative about the x-box!
NOTHING!
I love how you take nothing, and try to make it into something and include to much bulls*it that it seems like alot.
1-Gameboy had backwards compatability first.
2-USB ports do not enhance gameplay.
3-See number 2.
4-So was Genesis and N64. No innovation here.
5-That doesn\'t affect games themselves.
6-The enhancements are minimal.
7-What? WTF does that do for the games? Pull your head out of your ass.
8-Bravo! That\'s one for Sony!
9-While not as innovative as cd\'s were (it\'s just a extention of it), Sony was the first console w/
It. That\'s 2 for Sony.
10-Ethernet...sorry, Sega has you beat. HD? Well, it will be the first (probably) , but being a add-on, it\'ll likely fail. XB including it means the feature will be more successful by default than Sony\'s. So that\'s well, I\'ll give em the point for Sony anyways, they are the first.
That\'s 3, count em, 3 examples of innovation on Sony\'s part.
Microsoft\'s innovation:
1-Read interviews w/ developers. MS has the best creative support team for developers *ever*.
2-Will have broadband and a HD out of the box.
3-The best controller ever. Maybe they stole plenty of seperate ideas to make it, but it is the best controller ever. Innovative? Not too much, but since it\'s the only controller to have everything it does, and it\'ll be the most funtional one ever, it\'s just too good not to give a point to. (Hey, Sony only \'kinda deserved there last \'point\' I gave em)
That\'s 3 to 3....no difference there.
But lets also compare the other 2 systems innovation.
Sega DC:
1-VMU-While not usually utilised, it has the potential to do great things esp. in sports games.
2-Modem. DC has a modem o.o.b. It has a broadband adapter out now. It wins the online innovation hands down.
3-The first 128 bit system. Despite what PS2 fanboys think, this is the first next gen system, and at its launch, was being drooled over by celebrities and the media. It lead the industry in the inevitable direction of generational shift, and, was bringing in new gamers who thought PSX and N64 looked too fake/unrealistic.
Thats all that comes to mind here. So if your counting, its 3-3-3, or if your cynical, and wouldn\'t give credit for the last ones for each, its 2-2-2
Nintendo GC.
1-I\'m thinking, but I can\'t think of anything that would affect gameplay....NGC will be more about breakthrough games, than breakthrough technology that will aid games. Little help with this one? Anyone??
So, leys be conservative, and use the cynics numbers here. Thats 2-2-2-0.
You might be thinking, why does it seem so... well, bad? Surely there\'s more innovation than this! Have you been paying attention? There\'s little innovation so far by any of the 4 companies. Even with the generous optimists numbers, 3-3-3-0, these innovations still pale in comparison with good ol\'creative developers. Nintendo and Sega got the best in that field. Whats the point of my rambling??? I\'ve been sniffing glue, don\'t ask me. But it might be something like this: Stop whining company X is less innovative than company Y, because, in the end, it\'s the games, and the developers that make em, that matter.
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EThugg MY GOD!!
I thought that post was by the reverand!
Just read ryu\'s above comments...
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I would agree that most of Nintendo\'s innovation comes from their software rather their hardware.
However, innovative or not, they have really thought about whats going into the GCN.
One 1st for the GCN would be the S3 Compression. Innovative...?
Anyways, I believe that the 64DD was a hard drive...
Also, I find it funny that you already tote the Xbox controller as the best when you most likely have never even held, much less played a game on it. You probably haven\'t even seen it in person. (I could be wrong, of course)
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"Anyways, I believe that the 64DD was a hard drive... "
It was sorta, it was basically a advanced zip disk..
the medium was way too much money cause the data was store ON the game, and not on one medium
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weird.
I wouldn\'t know too much about the 64DD. (not that i\'d want to anyways!)
What, about 4 people bought it over in Japan? Something like that??
...talk about a flop.
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Originally posted by Chrono
EThugg MY GOD!!
I thought that post was by the reverand!
Just read ryu\'s above comments...
Ryu\'s post is too long. Make your own reply pussy. Nothing I said was wrong.
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This has been one of the best debates Ive heard in a while.
and Ive been reading here awhile(dont be fooled by october 2000,just never registered.) and it has ::gasp:: stayed mostly civil without many name calling which is cool. Thats just immature. Grown people resorting to insults in a debate, how juvenile.
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You ever watch political debate? This is still civil.
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I agree it still is civil.
Yes i watch them frequently, Im very much into politics for some sick reason. When Al Gore walked over to George Bush in the third debate and made him stop talking that was hilarious.
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I didn\'t even read the whole thread, so don\'t flame me for being off topic, I just have one thing to say: Same old Dockwiz.
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1-Gameboy had backwards compatability first.
2-USB ports do not enhance gameplay.
3-See number 2.
4-So was Genesis and N64. No innovation here.
5-That doesn\'t affect games themselves.
6-The enhancements are minimal.
7-What? WTF does that do for the games? Pull your head out of your ass.
8-Bravo! That\'s one for Sony!
9-While not as innovative as cd\'s were (it\'s just a extention of it), Sony was the first console w/
It. That\'s 2 for Sony.
10-Ethernet...sorry, Sega has you beat. HD? Well, it will be the first (probably) , but being a add-on, it\'ll likely fail. XB including it means the feature will be more successful by default than Sony\'s. So that\'s well, I\'ll give em the point for Sony anyways, they are the first.
1-But it can be argued that it is not a console either. I can say that I play my older games for my old TI-86 on a new TI-90 graphing calculator and consider that backwards compatible, but that\'s not really a console either now is it?
2-Perhaps not, but they do if you want to use a USB mouse and keyboard you already own rather then buying a new set. It also opens up the field for many different peripherals from many different companies that never were open before, like digital cameras, USB modems, or maybe even those new optical mice.
3-This was mostly for Sony peripherals like their memory stick, but in either case, it does not help in games as far as I know.
4-If by expansion he meant ethernet and HDD, well, it\'s pretty innovative by your standards. PS2 is getting the HD first and X-Box is getting it second, how does that make it to where PS2 is not innovative for doing it, but X-Box is? Another contradiction, just like you claiming X-Box gets points for innovation on the ethernet adapter when you say Sega is the first to do it (Today) hands down? get Altered Feast in here, we got another double standard.
5-True, but it\'s still the first console to ever do it, just like how Sony had the first console in Japan to ever play VCD\'s.
6-Any enhancement, no matter how minimal, is still an enhancement. Just like Windows Service packs, if you didn\'t have them for 98, you\'d be suseptible to certain hacks and more crashes so the enhancements are good no matter how insignificant.
7-No arguement here
8-At least you and I see eye to eye. No pun intended.
9-Read number 8.
10-ok.
Looks more like 5 rather then 3 to me.
1-Read interviews w/ developers. MS has the best creative support team for developers *ever*.
Dude, claiming a company has a *Creative support team* does not make it innovative just like how sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
2-Will have broadband and a HD out of the box.
That isn\'t innovative if another console has it available, it\'s just the people who don\'t want it won\'t buy it. All because it\'s not included out of the box does not mean it doesn\'t have it, just like how the X-Box does DVD and how Sega does the 32X... you pawn off the ethernet adapter out of the box to be innovative, but give credit to sega for the first to have it? That doesn\'t make any sense. If anything, Sega gets all the credit for it and you can\'t refute that since you already said they did :)
3-The best controller ever. Maybe they stole plenty of seperate ideas to make it, but it is the best controller ever. Innovative? Not too much, but since it\'s the only controller to have everything it does, and it\'ll be the most funtional one ever, it\'s just too good not to give a point to. (Hey, Sony only \'kinda deserved there last \'point\' I gave em)
You don\'t get points for innovation when you steal ideas. Sorry, that\'s just fact. No one gave credit to sony for being innovative when they doubled up on the N64\'s single analog stick so why should MS get credit for making a rehash? Answer: They Dont.
Looks like 5-0 in my book.
2-Modem. DC has a modem o.o.b. It has a broadband adapter out now. It wins the online innovation hands down.
You cant give credit for X-Box on having broadband when you give credit to sega here "hands down" just like I said above.
Thats all that comes to mind here. So if your counting, its 3-3-3, or if your cynical, and wouldn\'t give credit for the last ones for each, its 2-2-2
I count 5-0-3, maybe my math is off? Maybe yours is? I\'m not the one who contradicted myself though so my figures look correct.
Nintendo GC.
1-I\'m thinking, but I can\'t think of anything that would affect gameplay....NGC will be more about breakthrough games, than breakthrough technology that will aid games. Little help with this one? Anyone??
So true. Nintendo does bring more to the table software wise then they ever do hardware wise.
You might be thinking, why does it seem so... well, bad? Surely there\'s more innovation than this! Have you been paying attention? There\'s little innovation so far by any of the 4 companies. Even with the generous optimists numbers, 3-3-3-0, these innovations still pale in comparison with good ol\'creative developers. Nintendo and Sega got the best in that field. Whats the point of my rambling??? I\'ve been sniffing glue, don\'t ask me. But it might be something like this: Stop whining company X is less innovative than company Y, because, in the end, it\'s the games, and the developers that make em, that matter.
Hardware spawns ideas. If hardware takes a step back, so does the games. It\'s that simple and why I do not like MS\'s presence in the upcoming console fued. Hinder an idea because of hardware restraints and the ideas get pushed off the table. Remember what Hideo Kojima said: "In MGS, there was so many things I wanted to do but never could because the PSX was so limited, but thanks to the PS2\'s great leap in hardware, many of those lost ideas have been realised."
Ryu\'s post is too long. Make your own reply pussy. Nothing I said was wrong.
Heh, you tell him to make his own reply then say mine is too long even though it has all the answers you need. if things were really that simple, I\'d be sure to give you the downsized cliff note versions, but this is a forum and my ideas may be long winded, but they\'re always educated and thought out which is something I can\'t say when it comes to most of the spam on this forum. If only people would read most of the stuff on here, they might learn a little something about consoles and games, but sadly, that\'s just not the case as you have demonstrated here.
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3-The first 128 bit system. Despite what PS2 fanboys think, this is the first next gen system, and at its launch, was being drooled over by celebrities and the media. It lead the industry in the inevitable direction of generational shift, and, was bringing in new gamers who thought PSX and N64 looked too fake/unrealistic.
Actually, the Hitachi SH4 is pretty much a 64-bit system. If i remember correctly there\'s only about 2 to 4 128-registers in the chip. You\'ve been conned, bud.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Originally posted by Chrono
EThugg MY GOD!!
I thought that post was by the reverand!
Just read ryu\'s above comments...
Ryu\'s post is too long. Make your own reply pussy. Nothing I said was wrong. [/B]
ROFL!
Yes, stuff you said WAS wrong
Its not too long, you just don\'t want to/ can\'t read beacuse
1.)The vocabularly level in the writing is too high standard for you
2.)You are worried about facing the truth
3.)You are worried you will see the truth
4.)It makes you angry
DON\'T YOU EVER EVER CALL ANYBODY ON THIS FORUM NAMES LIKE THAT AGAIN... THIS IS THE ONLY WARNING THAT YOU WILL GET
I guess it just shows how mature Microsoft fanboys are...
I\'ve never stooped so low to call somebody a pussy, i\'ve called people uninteligent, fanboys and other similar names, but i\'ve never had to go so low to feel any satisfaction, you are one of the disgraces of this forum!
EDIT: Or as you would say, "is that the best you can do?"
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Originally posted by Chrono
The ps2 is the first console with
1.) Back-Compatiblity
2.) 2 USB ports
3.) Firewire (ILINK)
4.) Truely expandable console, with major plans
5.) DVD playback out of the box.
6.) to play your older games better
7.) modern design
8.) pressure sensative buttons
9.) DVD medium
10.) The first have ethernet/hardrive (sorry, they will be out before your x-box)
WOW! thats ten things
and you only have two
Both of which is not unique and the ps2 will accomplish before the x-box release
so in other words, what is so innovative about the x-box!
NOTHING!
I love how you take nothing, and try to make it into something and include to much bulls*it that it seems like alot.
umm, this is kind of dumb, Atari 5200 had Backwards compatibility, Dreamcast is truly expandable (broadband, zip drive, etc.), Dreamcast has pressure analog buttons, (granted I dont think they need pressure sensitive located anywhere else :)) X-Box will have the first Built in hard-drive and ethernet. And Dreamcast already broadband.
Be it that every console has some innovation basically. But alot ofthis stuff is just false. And add-ons really don\'t count.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Ryu
1-Read interviews w/ developers. MS has the best creative support team for developers *ever*.
Dude, claiming a company has a *Creative support team* does not make it innovative just like how sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
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ROFL, :laughing: that\'s got to be quote of the week IMO. That\'s funny, nice one Ryu.
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Only reason they hate the XBOX is because it is BIG. they like small consoles because it makes them feel better about their tiny ****s...
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Originally posted by david42018
Only reason they hate the XBOX is because it is BIG. they like small consoles because it makes them feel better about their tiny ****s...
?
and you would know this.. how?
lol
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iiiim nnnot gayyy... :sconf:
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Originally posted by Ryu
1-Gameboy had backwards compatability first.
2-USB ports do not enhance gameplay.
3-See number 2.
4-So was Genesis and N64. No innovation here.
5-That doesn\'t affect games themselves.
6-The enhancements are minimal.
7-What? WTF does that do for the games? Pull your head out of your ass.
8-Bravo! That\'s one for Sony!
9-While not as innovative as cd\'s were (it\'s just a extention of it), Sony was the first console w/
It. That\'s 2 for Sony.
10-Ethernet...sorry, Sega has you beat. HD? Well, it will be the first (probably) , but being a add-on, it\'ll likely fail. XB including it means the feature will be more successful by default than Sony\'s. So that\'s well, I\'ll give em the point for Sony anyways, they are the first.
1-But it can be argued that it is not a console either. I can say that I play my older games for my old TI-86 on a new TI-90 graphing calculator and consider that backwards compatible, but that\'s not really a console either now is it?
2-Perhaps not, but they do if you want to use a USB mouse and keyboard you already own rather then buying a new set. It also opens up the field for many different peripherals from many different companies that never were open before, like digital cameras, USB modems, or maybe even those new optical mice.
3-This was mostly for Sony peripherals like their memory stick, but in either case, it does not help in games as far as I know.
4-If by expansion he meant ethernet and HDD, well, it\'s pretty innovative by your standards. PS2 is getting the HD first and X-Box is getting it second, how does that make it to where PS2 is not innovative for doing it, but X-Box is? Another contradiction, just like you claiming X-Box gets points for innovation on the ethernet adapter when you say Sega is the first to do it (Today) hands down? get Altered Feast in here, we got another double standard.
5-True, but it\'s still the first console to ever do it, just like how Sony had the first console in Japan to ever play VCD\'s.
6-Any enhancement, no matter how minimal, is still an enhancement. Just like Windows Service packs, if you didn\'t have them for 98, you\'d be suseptible to certain hacks and more crashes so the enhancements are good no matter how insignificant.
7-No arguement here
8-At least you and I see eye to eye. No pun intended.
9-Read number 8.
10-ok.
Looks more like 5 rather then 3 to me.
1-Read interviews w/ developers. MS has the best creative support team for developers *ever*.
Dude, claiming a company has a *Creative support team* does not make it innovative just like how sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
2-Will have broadband and a HD out of the box.
That isn\'t innovative if another console has it available, it\'s just the people who don\'t want it won\'t buy it. All because it\'s not included out of the box does not mean it doesn\'t have it, just like how the X-Box does DVD and how Sega does the 32X... you pawn off the ethernet adapter out of the box to be innovative, but give credit to sega for the first to have it? That doesn\'t make any sense. If anything, Sega gets all the credit for it and you can\'t refute that since you already said they did :)
3-The best controller ever. Maybe they stole plenty of seperate ideas to make it, but it is the best controller ever. Innovative? Not too much, but since it\'s the only controller to have everything it does, and it\'ll be the most funtional one ever, it\'s just too good not to give a point to. (Hey, Sony only \'kinda deserved there last \'point\' I gave em)
You don\'t get points for innovation when you steal ideas. Sorry, that\'s just fact. No one gave credit to sony for being innovative when they doubled up on the N64\'s single analog stick so why should MS get credit for making a rehash? Answer: They Dont.
Looks like 5-0 in my book.
2-Modem. DC has a modem o.o.b. It has a broadband adapter out now. It wins the online innovation hands down.
You cant give credit for X-Box on having broadband when you give credit to sega here "hands down" just like I said above.
Thats all that comes to mind here. So if your counting, its 3-3-3, or if your cynical, and wouldn\'t give credit for the last ones for each, its 2-2-2
I count 5-0-3, maybe my math is off? Maybe yours is? I\'m not the one who contradicted myself though so my figures look correct.
Nintendo GC.
1-I\'m thinking, but I can\'t think of anything that would affect gameplay....NGC will be more about breakthrough games, than breakthrough technology that will aid games. Little help with this one? Anyone??
So true. Nintendo does bring more to the table software wise then they ever do hardware wise.
You might be thinking, why does it seem so... well, bad? Surely there\'s more innovation than this! Have you been paying attention? There\'s little innovation so far by any of the 4 companies. Even with the generous optimists numbers, 3-3-3-0, these innovations still pale in comparison with good ol\'creative developers. Nintendo and Sega got the best in that field. Whats the point of my rambling??? I\'ve been sniffing glue, don\'t ask me. But it might be something like this: Stop whining company X is less innovative than company Y, because, in the end, it\'s the games, and the developers that make em, that matter.
Hardware spawns ideas. If hardware takes a step back, so does the games. It\'s that simple and why I do not like MS\'s presence in the upcoming console fued. Hinder an idea because of hardware restraints and the ideas get pushed off the table. Remember what Hideo Kojima said: "In MGS, there was so many things I wanted to do but never could because the PSX was so limited, but thanks to the PS2\'s great leap in hardware, many of those lost ideas have been realised."
Ryu\'s post is too long. Make your own reply pussy. Nothing I said was wrong.
Heh, you tell him to make his own reply then say mine is too long even though it has all the answers you need. if things were really that simple, I\'d be sure to give you the downsized cliff note versions, but this is a forum and my ideas may be long winded, but they\'re always educated and thought out which is something I can\'t say when it comes to most of the spam on this forum. If only people would read most of the stuff on here, they might learn a little something about consoles and games, but sadly, that\'s just not the case as you have demonstrated here. [/B]
1-GB might not be a console, but like Altered said, Atari did it too. Sony isn\'t the first.
2-Using usb isn\'t a big deal, mice and keyboards...bah! It\'s the first to do it, but its not innovative.
3-Glad we agree.
4-It\'s not a double standard. Add-ons aren\'t as innovative as including it w/ the system. The ONLY reason your seeing a HD/Ethernet adapter this year from Sony is because of XB. If having somthing packed in isn\'t innovative, then Sony is less innovative than before.
5-I don\'t know about japan specifically, but other systems played VCD\'s befor PSX. 3D0 and Saturn could play VCD\'s. But having it OOB is innovative (like XB) and it\'d be hypocritical not to give it a point for that.. although it has 0 effect on games...point revoked!
6-No, I just can\'t agree. The \'enhancments are nearly non existant in 95% of the games....about the same percent as bleem PC.
7-10-Glad we agree.
PS2\'s numbers remain 2 or 3, as before.
Ok, ill skip the support team, although it IS important to have a good one, and everything I\'ve heard from magazines, and interviews sez they have the best...
It (XB\'s HD & Ethernet) IS innovative as 1-It\'s OOB, and 2-It actually can enhance games themselves. Unlike PS2\'s HD/Ethernet, and DC\'s Ethernet, it can actually be used by most XB owners...the mainstream won\'t be picking up all the peripherals. Sega owns online in innovation because 1-They had the 56k OOB, and 2-Despite it being a addon, it\'s first to offer Ethernet. I don\'t have a double standard. If Sega had no OOB modem and just came out w/a add-on, I\'d be just as critical of them.
Uhhh...LOTS of ppl on this very board give Sony credit for their controller, despite the analog and rumble ideas were taken from Nintendo. And they deserve their accolades for being the first to include rumble IN the controller, and the extra analog. XB is the first to include all the features it does by default OOB, and they do get a point for doing so.
Looks like 2 or 3 to 2....not quite the same as what you were going for...It must be your math. :p
XB\'s hardware isn\'t a step back. Infact, it\'s 1-More powerful than PS2, and 2-Much easier to develope for.
You didn\'t have any answers in your post that satisfied me... And Chrono should reply to specific points I made that were in reply to his post. Your post has nothing to do with why I disagreed with his list.
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Originally posted by Chrono
Originally posted by EThugg
Originally posted by Chrono
EThugg MY GOD!!
I thought that post was by the reverand!
Just read ryu\'s above comments...
Ryu\'s post is too long. Make your own reply pussy. Nothing I said was wrong. [/B]
ROFL!
Yes, stuff you said WAS wrong
Its not too long, you just don\'t want to/ can\'t read beacuse
1.)The vocabularly level in the writing is too high standard for you
2.)You are worried about facing the truth
3.)You are worried you will see the truth
4.)It makes you angry
DON\'T YOU EVER EVER CALL ANYBODY ON THIS FORUM NAMES LIKE THAT AGAIN... THIS IS THE ONLY WARNING THAT YOU WILL GET
I guess it just shows how mature Microsoft fanboys are...
I\'ve never stooped so low to call somebody a pussy, i\'ve called people uninteligent, fanboys and other similar names, but i\'ve never had to go so low to feel any satisfaction, you are one of the disgraces of this forum!
EDIT: Or as you would say, "is that the best you can do?" [/B]
ROTFL!!!
No, the stuff I said WASN\'T wrong!
It is long, but...
1-My vocabulary is fine thank you. No one else I knew read at a college level in grade school. (I was tested, because I was considered weird, \'cause I didn\'t participate.)
2-I know the truth already, and I say nothing but.
3-See 2
4-Nothing makes me \'angry\'. I\'m a very centered person...
What are you gonna do? BAN ME? ROTFL!! If what I said was violating any rules, I\'d have been warned by someone who has some POWER....:p
That\'s funny, Soulgrind called me a Nintendo fanboy... odd... Does the word \'pussy\' offend you? Disgrace huh? That\'s just mean! :( ..... :D
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*alarm sounding*
bullsh*t alert!
"4-It\'s not a double standard. Add-ons aren\'t as innovative as including it w/ the system. The ONLY reason your seeing a HD/Ethernet adapter this year from Sony is because of XB. If having somthing packed in isn\'t innovative, then Sony is less innovative than before.
5-I don\'t know about japan specifically, but other systems played VCD\'s befor PSX. 3D0 and Saturn could play VCD\'s. But having it OOB is innovative (like XB) and it\'d be hypocritical not to give it a point for that.. although it has 0 effect on games...point revoked! "
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Your kidding me right
Sony has had the plan to bring out these things way before the directportbox ever was annouced... you are such a idiot, or as you would put it, "pussy" to think that.
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Beacuse it can play DVD\'s, that means more causual gamers will buy the console, which means more companies will make games for it, and there are more innovative games for the console..
MSFANBOY unvelied, I told all your forums goers all along he was, and now everybody knows for sure... how hilarious
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Originally posted by Chrono
*alarm sounding*
bullsh*t alert!
"4-It\'s not a double standard. Add-ons aren\'t as innovative as including it w/ the system. The ONLY reason your seeing a HD/Ethernet adapter this year from Sony is because of XB. If having somthing packed in isn\'t innovative, then Sony is less innovative than before.
5-I don\'t know about japan specifically, but other systems played VCD\'s befor PSX. 3D0 and Saturn could play VCD\'s. But having it OOB is innovative (like XB) and it\'d be hypocritical not to give it a point for that.. although it has 0 effect on games...point revoked! "
4-
Your kidding me right
Sony has had the plan to bring out these things way before the directportbox ever was annouced... you are such a idiot, or as you would put it, "pussy" to think that.
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Beacuse it can play DVD\'s, that means more causual gamers will buy the console, which means more companies will make games for it, and there are more innovative games for the console..
MSFANBOY unvelied, I told all your forums goers all along he was, and now everybody knows for sure... how hilarious
Does this mean you agree with everything else? :)
4-I didn\'t say Sony didn\'t announce it first. Apparently English isn\'t your first language... The only reason it\'s comming out *THIS YEAR*. If XB wasn\'t around, It wouldn\'t come out this year.
5-No, assuming it will infact persuade mainstreamers, there will be more mainstream garbage.
I\'m glad your the official fan-boy nominator...:D moron... You were wrong before, and your wrong now... how hilarious!
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ahh.. I see now
You are the son of REVERAND X BOX!!
no wonder... I was mistaken all along...
I hereby resign this thread beacuse.... Ethugg you are a moron. A brick wall if u will. There is no point in talking too a wall. When they don\'t understand you anyway. They are too thick.
Here is what you are, just as a reminder so you don\'t forget on how to act: "Fanboy: someone whom doesn\'t believe or want too believe anything that is PROVEN fact. They deny everything too make there system better. Or a system they hate worse."
RYU may reply, and i\'m sure he will, a more inteligent human being then yourself. I am done with your lame biased fanboy views and hope from this all the forum goers know how much a fanboy you really are. Just beacuse you buy stuff from all console does not mean your not a fanboy. Beacuse you still obviously are.
and BTW, all forum goers, be carefull what information you give beacuse he will message you on ICQ and bother you, I hate fanboys who even go so far to find your ICQ number then message you to just say they replied to your message. That people is the ultimate lamer.
EDIT
he just said to me on ICQ "EThugg: You ARE a little *****....****sucker"
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Originally posted by Chrono
ahh.. I see now
You are the son of REVERAND X BOX!!
no wonder... I was mistaken all along...
I hereby resign this thread beacuse.... Ethugg you are a moron. A brick wall if u will. There is no point in talking too a wall. When they don\'t understand you anyway. They are too thick.
Here is what you are, just as a reminder so you don\'t forget on how to act: "Fanboy: someone whom doesn\'t believe or want too believe anything that is PROVEN fact. They deny everything too make there system better. Or a system they hate worse."
RYU may reply, and i\'m sure he will, a more inteligent human being then yourself. I am done with your lame biased fanboy views and hope from this all the forum goers know how much a fanboy you really are. Just beacuse you buy stuff from all console does not mean your not a fanboy. Beacuse you still obviously are.
and BTW, all forum goers, be carefull what information you give beacuse he will message you on ICQ and bother you, I hate fanboys who even go so far to find your ICQ number then message you to just say they replied to your message. That people is the ultimate lamer.
Yes, yes...very mature. You lost the argument and stormed of like a little kid...
I\'m a wall? So your saying that your dumber than a wall?
I\'ve denied NO proven fact\'s. If your accusing me of such, then provide quotes. No quotes? Oh yea... that\'s because I never did that. I\'ve said it before, and I\'ll say it again. I don\'t have \'a\' console. I have every console, and love games on every system. It must be hard for a Sony fan-boy like you to understand, actually liking every system. I\'m critical of PS2, because there\'s reason to be. If you can\'t handle that Sony-boy, too bad for you.
I welcome Ryu\'s response on any real issues, he replies to things I say, unlike you who makes a blanket \'I\'m right, your wrong\' statements. You calling me a fanboy doesn\'t make me one. Everyone here will draw their own conclusions, not your conclusion.
If I bothered you on icq, all you had to do was say so. I don\'t look up ppl. Soulgrind and me were discussing PC gaming, and we strongly disagree\'d. He gave me icq #\'s to ask \'anybody\', because he felt everyone would agree with him. That\'s fine. I asked you if you had a problem with me icq\'ing you, you said no. Don\'t act like a ***** now, just \'cause I don\'t agree with you.
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No, only a biased person like you would agree.
Name one thing that MS has done creative and innovative to the console industy, and untill you do I will always shoot your creative crap down. [/B][/QUOTE] To be true MS did do a creative thing in allowing the developers and the gamers themselves to acually design the X-box.(see latest EGM) They acually went to thousands of homes and talked to gamers asking them what they wanted finding that most homes the systems were played on the floor. EA was a major contributer to the internal design of the machine. I believe the X-box will be solid.
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1-GB might not be a console, but like Altered said, Atari did it too. Sony isn\'t the first.
2-Using usb isn\'t a big deal, mice and keyboards...bah! It\'s the first to do it, but its not innovative.
3-Glad we agree.
4-It\'s not a double standard. Add-ons aren\'t as innovative as including it w/ the system. The ONLY reason your seeing a HD/Ethernet adapter this year from Sony is because of XB. If having somthing packed in isn\'t innovative, then Sony is less innovative than before.
5-I don\'t know about japan specifically, but other systems played VCD\'s befor PSX. 3D0 and Saturn could play VCD\'s. But having it OOB is innovative (like XB) and it\'d be hypocritical not to give it a point for that.. although it has 0 effect on games...point revoked!
6-No, I just can\'t agree. The \'enhancments are nearly non existant in 95% of the games....about the same percent as bleem PC.
7-10-Glad we agree.
PS2\'s numbers remain 2 or 3, as before.
1) Atari did it, but their games did NOT improve with the new console. As I said before, any improvement, no matter how insignificant, is more then none.
2) It is innovative as soon as it uses a device that was or has yet to have been used before. The possibility is there and that\'s enough to be innovative. If it uses a camera, will that satisfy you? Sheesh, some people are just so fraggin hard to please.
4) That\'s by far the most incorrect statement out of the 7. Sony\'s initial plans were for a full blown BROADBAND only network from the start in 2001. This was Sony\'s original plan since the PS2\'s release date was solidified for its Japanese release. That was nearly 2 years ago, but X-Box was shown and announced specifically with all its components, what, 3 weeks ago? Point is, Sony did it first or will do it first and beating MS to the punch gives Sony yet another advantage. Having it built in or added on does not subtract from the fact of who was the first to do it... I give Sega credit for having both the first 32-bit ADD-on AND the first 32-bit system. Also, don\'t confuse having something packed in with something done first. If you\'re the first to do something, it\'s innovative, but if it\'s not the first, then it\'s either an improvement or just a knock off.
5) I don\'t think so. The medium itself effects games. Just like how CD format was a big factor for Square leaving Nintendo. If this wasn\'t the case, we\'d all still be with carts.
6) That\'s just not true. Load times or minimal graphic enhancements are better then none. Any improvement is a good one otherwise we\'d be stuck with the same crap for years to come.
I\'m not gonna bother giving a number ratio anymore. I have my reasons for saying they are innovative and you have yours for saying they aren\'t, but I know the only way we can agree is to agree to disagree. Maybe innovation is a series of exceptions as you put it, or maybe it\'s the first to do something different as I put it, but who can say for sure? No dictionary definition can settle this and that\'s for damn sure.
It (XB\'s HD & Ethernet) IS innovative as 1-It\'s OOB, and 2-It actually can enhance games themselves. Unlike PS2\'s HD/Ethernet, and DC\'s Ethernet, it can actually be used by most XB owners...the mainstream won\'t be picking up all the peripherals. Sega owns online in innovation because 1-They had the 56k OOB, and 2-Despite it being a addon, it\'s first to offer Ethernet. I don\'t have a double standard. If Sega had no OOB modem and just came out w/a add-on, I\'d be just as critical of them.
Look, OOB or not, I still think the first to do anything in anyways gets the title of innovation. I don\'t care how you put it, but if Sony came out with a built in VMU in the controller to where the data is saved and the controller acts as a handheld in itself, I\'d still give credit to Sega for doing it first, not to Sony cuz they did it OOB.
Uhhh...LOTS of ppl on this very board give Sony credit for their controller, despite the analog and rumble ideas were taken from Nintendo. And they deserve their accolades for being the first to include rumble IN the controller, and the extra analog. XB is the first to include all the features it does by default OOB, and they do get a point for doing so.
Wait a sec... you think the DS2 is innovative... name ONE thing about it that sets it one step above the DS2 that makes it innovative. Name one thing and I\'ll consider it, and those slots on the back don\'t count because they don\'t enhance gameplay. Prove one thing that sets it a step above the Sony controller and I just might give it a point.
XB\'s hardware isn\'t a step back. Infact, it\'s 1-More powerful than PS2, and 2-Much easier to develope for.
Remember the TV analogy as far as technological innovation goes and you\'ll see my point. Consoles were not meant to be based off of PC architecture and the reason why we buy consoles is because of that fact and I\'m sorry you don\'t see it.
You didn\'t have any answers in your post that satisfied me...
Of course not. We both have ground that we\'re unwilling to give up. That\'s what debates are all about, but stating that gets us nowhere :)
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I was wondering where this went.
I was looking for it for awhile.
I love this thread.
None of the main combatants will admit this i dont
think, but both sides have been making great points,
the only time I\'ve seen this handled well.
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None of the main combatants will admit this i dont
think, but both sides have been making great points
Maybe I should quote myself:
We both have ground that we\'re unwilling to give up.
I think that pretty much says it all right there.