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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Chrono on February 04, 2001, 10:34:10 AM
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I was reading this...
http://www.nvidia.com/Home.nsf/nvidianews1.html
When I came across this:
Our DirectX 8 Development Kit is based on the most advanced graphics hardware and software ever built for PC and console development
The next generation GPU that forms the heart of the DirectX 8 Development Kit is the most sophisticated of its kind and will be the first to be used for both PC and console content creation
With NVIDIA\'s support and direction, our games will look outstanding on both Xbox and the desktop PC.
hmm...
BOTH the PC and XBOX..
And its NOT the portbox...
If the x-box even becomes a success, will it be bogged down by games that were designed for the PC?
That it was easy for the developers to include the x-box in its plans...
I have no further comment
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I said something similar to this in the beginning. The design of the X-Box and MS\'s intentions behind are a step backwards in the console industry and a step closer to the PC industry. A lil while ago I said that MS had little to no innovation with their design and just borrowed a PC style engine and moved into a box that just wasn\'t as versatile as a PC, and now this just goes to fully prove my suspicions. PC ports\\X-Box ports made simultaneously? That\'s like saying "here is the x-box, more powerful then any PC, reduced to a strength that is good enough only for the current generation PC." I don\'t know about anyone else, but what\'s the point of all the graphical power if it won\'t even be utilized?
As I said before, no good can come from the X-Box\'s success and because of that, I hope they lose in the end... the message of a PC in a box succeeding in an industry that provides PC gaming with it\'s biggest competition is just a huge step backwards. Mini PC\'s vs consoles... if I wanted a mini PC, I\'d buy a laptop.
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ahahahahha
i wanna see microsoft burn burn burnnnnn.
and yes i am using windows 98
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You guys are morons.
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Go you! Woo-hoo! Blessed by Ethugg\'s insight once again! Damn, I feel like I\'ve been healed of all my failings! "You\'re a moron" damn... if only I could come up with phrases that uttered so much eloquence! WHEW! Ethugg, you take my breath away... :rolleyes:
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When I argue, you ignore the facts I present Ryu, so it\'d be useless to argue with you, or any MS haters.
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Ok, let me say this, although I\'m sure you\'ll refute it... You guys are ASSUMING these things. How do you know that, infact, future XB games wont be ported to PC? Why would you assume the opposite? That\'s a big assumption, and since this is their first console, your assumptions are baseless. If it happens the way you guys think, diss them then, don\'t diss them for what you think might happen.
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good job Ethug. I agree, you should know whats up before you rag on anything. Especially since they dont know anything.
PLEASE know what you are talking about or dont say anything at all!
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So, instead of presenting your points, you proceed to belittle the "MS haters" and call them morons... nice logic there, especially when you yourself boycott Sony products, but I suppose I can call you a "Sony Hater" given how we are using labels today. Oh well, you\'re logic makes perfect sense when you label Sony as the Sega killer when they OBVIOUSLY did it to themselves. I dunno, maybe they didn\'t, I mean... Sony did invent the 32X, Sega Saturn, and Sega CD for them right?
As for the assumption about PC gaming and X-Box gaming, dont we buy consoles for what the system WILL have games wise? I know I am buying PS2 for the exclusive titles... same reason why people buy sega or nintendo... but what am i buying for x-box if i can have what it has on my PC? That\'s my question.
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You can call me a limp wristed fag for all I care...
1-My opinion of Sega/Sony can be seen in Chrono\'s post about DC\'s death. I\'m right, and Sega CD and Saturn rocked.
2-The fact remains there are exclusives announced for XB, and likely more will be announced up to, and during E3. The potntial for ports doesn\'t mean anything more than that it\'s possible. There\'s still no reason to assume anything about XB. PS2 is OUT. I\'m being critical of a system I OWN. My boycott has nothing to do with speculation, or any of the other foolish things YOU enjoy doing.
In summary= I\'m right, your still wrong (to assume, and misplace the blame on Sega\'s death. Your allowed any opinion you want, but the facts are the facts, regardless if the few lamers on the board agree with you.)
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In summary= I\'m right, your still wrong (to assume, and misplace the blame on Sega\'s death. Your allowed any opinion you want, but the facts are the facts, regardless if the few lamers on the board agree with you.)
You\'re too FOS to even debate with any more. "I\'m right, you\'re wrong" "Sega died because sony killed it and made gaming more available to people who just wanted to have fun from time to time" (almost like saying in order to be a gamer, you have to be like YOU and that\'s just scary) "sega didn\'t release those things that bombed and they were great because I say they were" (sega saturn was great, but face it, it crashed and burned like a newbie playing After Burner) "the facts are the facts, sony killed sega and I boycott them for that and Sega had NOTHING to do with it\'s own death." Could you spew anymore BS?
Sony didn\'t make Sega charge 400 for a Saturn, Sony didn\'t invent the Saturn and make third parties have a hell of a time developing for it, and Sony didn\'t cause the 32X and the SegaCD to bomb. All of those things IN ADDITION to sony\'s success in the console industry caused Sega\'s death. Those are facts and you\'re full-hardy attempt to suade those issues away from Sega and make them all Sony\'s fault are falling on def ears. Anyone who refuses to buy products because of a company name is sad and not a true gamer. I\'d also like to reiterate I\'m getting an X-Box at launch, so no bashing there... but hey, your boycott on Sony products is about equal to you pirating games for the DC. How many did you say you pirated? That\'s the same as not buying Sega products. I guess you\'re exempt from that though right? Oh well, say what you want... Sega died because of numerous reasons before Sony even came around and if you can\'t handle that, then you are a sad human being.
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No, Sony made PS2 hell for developers, but they can buy their way....
Obviously the \'summary\' thing was a joke, I\'m sorry you took it personally...
I responded (as much as I\'ll bother) to the Sega/Saturn/failure thing in Chrono\'s other thread. And Sega didn\'t die before Sony came along, sure, they made mistakes, but nothing that would kill them.
And for the piracy thing there, I own ~50 DC originals. Owning 250+ bootlegs doesn\'t indicate my support of Sega in the least. I bought every game I could afford. And ~50 of the bootlegs are real backups, I actually have backups of every legit game I own. And for the record I have had a PS2 since launch, and a own a dozen original games. The only reason I have to boycott them is for moral reasons (yes, morals can span to non important things too). Even if you take Sega out of the equation, I don\'t like the direction Sony unchallenged would take the industry. Sega is just the final thing that made me go as far as to boycott. If you cared about gaming, or any industry enough, you\'d take a stand when nessasary. Do I think Sony cares? No. But thats no reason for you to keep bringing my boycott up, like I\'m some whiney kid throwing a tantrum. I\'m exercising my right as a consumer, and if you can\'t respect that, that\'s your problem.
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To tell you the truth, I think that this will hinder X-Box\'s sales, I mean most people have a computer, and the same graphics chip will be coming out for the computer? Why bother going to a secondary source to play the same game?
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Well, most ppl won\'t bother upgrading their computer, and many ppl dont like gaming on a PC anyways.
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I disagree completly... two words:
Half-Life
ring a bell?
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It not even worth arguing this one. FAct is if someone thinks they are seeing an elephant, regardless of what you say they are going to see that elephant.
We will see the damage the XBOX, and possibly fisher price(opps I ment NGC) will have on psx2. Only time will tell my friends, but to me it looks like sony is doing a sega saturn.(in a way, but not exactly)
SONY PSX2:
Difficult to program for "very difficult"(*developers will spend more time on coding than expressing creatvity, which will also be limited)
graphics capabilites are a joke to GC, and XBOX
no HDD included
No enternet card included
2 controller ports(not that big of a deal)
zzzzzzzzzz..... and yada, yada, yada
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What about Half Life? It sold well, but so did Who Wants to be a Millionaire. And console games sell better than PC games. Even a popular million seller like HL can\'t reach the numbers Tony Hawk, Final Fantasy, or any other decent console seller gets. Take FF for example. Hugely popular. PC graphics for FF8 was a lot better than the PS version, it still didnt touch the numbers the PSX version did.
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Oh yeah one more thing MS is extremely strict when coming to ports. Unlike sony. If in any case they allow a port then the game must be enhanced to the bone, new levels new game play, new this new that. Any game that goes to ms will be reviewed to make sure it fit\'s there high expectations
or else will be rejected. Either quality game it is or no xbox it goes on. SOny on the other hand will ****en allow pretty much anything , like a spice girl game. MS wants there system to only be filled with a library of quality games.
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I\'m just saying, you might think that PC gaming is advoided, or secondary. PC is the only system with BROADBAND(up to T3+) capabilities, and you are counting it out. I still have lots of fun with Red Alert(1 and 2), and HL Counterstrike. Why count the PC out, it\'s more capable than any console will be.
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and another thing, why are we only looking at the bad things? Everyone has been saying that Dreamcast will be buried this fall, PS2 will suffer damage, and X-Box vs. NGC will be an epic battle. What the hell? How about the people that own those systems... once X-box comes out we\'ll find things that it lacks, or liabilities. For example, in a pic floating around somewhere, X-box is nearly twice the size of the PS2... and the NGC looks like a lunch box... I\'m sorry but it\'s true...
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I didnt count PC out, I\'m saying XB thus far isnt a port box, and its unfair to label it as such. And I pointed out a fact about the PC markets size. I didnt blame the PC, or say it sucked.
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We are going to face the fact that X-Box is no more a PC than the PS2 is. However, it deserves the title port box, cause you can only imagine the loads of Microsoft games which are being ported to the X-box... they will infact make X-box and PC versions of the same games...
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Thats pure speculation...
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maybe so, but it would also be speculation to say it wont happen...
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I never said It wont happen (PSX2CENTRAL did). I simply said it was speculation, and to diss a system because of speculation is stupid.
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maybe so, but it would also be speculation to say it wont happen...
WRONG MS offically said no pc ports = no ms flight simulator or what ever they do in pc gamming. They said they will not port ms games from the pc. If MS does make a game for xbox like ms baseball or a flight game then it will be built from the scratch for the xbox, meaning it will differ from it\'s pc conter part.
Billy please don\'yt assume get the facts right.
http://www.msxbox.com try this place out
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Originally posted by Ryu
I said something similar to this in the beginning. The design of the X-Box and MS\'s intentions behind are a step backwards in the console industry and a step closer to the PC industry. A lil while ago I said that MS had little to no innovation with their design and just borrowed a PC style engine and moved into a box that just wasn\'t as versatile as a PC, and now this just goes to fully prove my suspicions. PC ports\\X-Box ports made simultaneously? That\'s like saying "here is the x-box, more powerful then any PC, reduced to a strength that is good enough only for the current generation PC." I don\'t know about anyone else, but what\'s the point of all the graphical power if it won\'t even be utilized?
A step back in what sense? Is reinventing the wheel a technical advancement? You seem to be a bit mixed up here. The fact of the matter is that better games can be made from existing techology. If you weren\'t so anti-Microsoft, you would see that the console industry is moving FORWARD towards PC/Mac-like architectures. Sony are the ones taking the step back. This industry is not about the technology that drives the games, but the games that drive the technology. Developers can now spend time using what they already know to make great content. Technology has been the blessing and the malediction for the games industry. On one hand, the games look more real, but on the otherhand, they\'re the same **** we\'ve been playing for years. With every new "cutting-edge" console that comes out, developers have to wrestle with technology instead of building unique concepts and play mechanics. I think Sony chose a good name for their console when they call it the "Playstation 2". It\'s just the Playstation with better graphics...nothing else. If that\'s your cup o tea, that\'s fine. But it\'s not mine. Games like JGR and Shenmue prove what games are like with accessible technology. Don\'t worry about Xbox\'s power not being utilized either, because everyone who programs knows how to utilize Xbox\'s power, because they\'ve been using that technology for the last 20 years. You need to shift your concerns to the PS2 instead.
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As I said before, no good can come from the X-Box\'s success and because of that, I hope they lose in the end... the message of a PC in a box succeeding in an industry that provides PC gaming with it\'s biggest competition is just a huge step backwards. Mini PC\'s vs consoles... if I wanted a mini PC, I\'d buy a laptop. [/B][/QUOTE]
That didn\'t make much sense, but I\'ll try to respond to it. Dreamcast is a PC in the box and GC is a Mac in the box. That\'s where the game industry is heading, towared PC-like architechture that is more powerful. You people seem to believe that different is always good and that a game system should be radically different that everything else. Well, that will stagnate the games industry, or even worse, take it in the wrong direction. Your argument about PC technology being a step backward is, well, backwards because, the PS2 is a step backwards as far as design philosophy is concerned. You see, anyone can make a VERY POWERFUL chip, but the real step forward is the philosophy behind the technology. Is it easily accessible? Is it cost effective? And so on. I think developers like LionHead will show us the benefits of Xbox technology. Sure it\'s basically PC, but now\'s the time for developers to focus on content instead of glitz and glamor.
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Reverend your presents here is always welcome, cause you speak the truth, you say it like it is. Very well said my friend, we will see when e3 comes round what all the psx2 fanboys will say, when MS shows what the NV2a can do.
PS. Haven\'t seen you at msxbox forums for a while???
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Originally posted by TheOneBillyGunn
To tell you the truth, I think that this will hinder X-Box\'s sales, I mean most people have a computer, and the same graphics chip will be coming out for the computer? Why bother going to a secondary source to play the same game?
Number one, Xbox will be the most powerful platform period when it\'s released. It will take a few months for PC\'s to reach Xbox\'s power. In fact even if PC\'s do reach Xbox power, they won\'t be affordable for a while. You\'re talking about a $15,000 PC built specifically for gaming.
Number two, PC games have to be scaled down to cover the wide variety of CPU and GPU configurations, so while PC\'s may match Xbox power-wise, the games won\'t reflected. Keyword: Lowest-common-denominator (Joe Blow with a Pentium II 200 MHz and a Voodoo 2 card).
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