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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Mr. Kennedy on February 04, 2001, 07:05:22 PM
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There is this circle of threads going around that make it look like I am trying to put an end to Sega. I am not like that, this whole thing has been taken too seriously. I am not spreading propaganda! I support Sony because I like their products, I haven\'t met a Sony product that wasn\'t reliable. I\'m sure it\'s different for everyone, but don\'t isolate me as the distinct mainstreamer trying to take down Sega. It\'s completely unfair to look at me like that because it\'s not true, I have no problem with the other companies. I\'m just completely satisfied with Sony, and that\'s my decision. Once again, I am in full support of Sega, Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony.
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Who\'d say such mean thing\'s about you?? ;) I didn\'t call you a fanboy or anything, so I seriously hope you don\'t take me saying the facts as I know them, and my opinions on Sony, personally.
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The truth can be a hard thing to accept sometimes, in this case it works both ways.
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Uhhh...huh.... and what truth would that be?
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The fact that DC is dying, and mainstreamers are the heart of the problem not PS2!
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I\'ve said repeatedly that PS2, and mainstreamers were to blame, apparently you didn\'t read my whole rant. I can boycott Sony, but what can I do to mainstream gamers??
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Originally posted by EThugg
I\'ve said repeatedly that PS2, and mainstreamers were to blame, apparently you didn\'t read my whole rant. I can boycott Sony, but what can I do to mainstream gamers??
ROFL.. so you have to find something to blame it on...
You can\'t do anything to mainstream.. so
OMG..
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I dislike this whole mainstream gamers idea, although it\'s true, the mainstreamers which brought PS2 to it\'s glory will also hinder it later this year. So don\'t think Sega is the only one whose going to get hurt... Sony better have something good planned for this fall or we could see PS2 at it\'s weakest...
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Chrono, I still blame Sony, I blame Sony in a big part for bringing a lot of the mainstream to gaming in the first place. Think I\'m overly critical of Sony?
Well...
1-Tough.
2-If this were MS who came in with Playstation in 95, and Sony was launching XB this year (like they absolutely switched places) I\'d be pissed at MS right now.
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Well, SEGA failed somewhere.
Was it the hardware? Not likely.
Was it the marketing? Probably.
A bigger userbase (i.e. selling more DCs) wouldn\'t have helped much because they lost a lot of money on every single unit sold - money they didn\'t have.
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"If" doesn not have base.Its what we have now that counts.Anyways if it was MS that made the PS in 95 it wouldnt have the same results and impact to gaming.It would have been IMO more to the worse(thats not the subject anyways).
By Unicron
The point is not how thinks would have been if it was MS and not Sony but that each company thinks differently and has slightly different targets from the others that does a big difference.Either it is good or bad.
By Irvin.
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All this talk of who\'s to blame of the death of Dreamcast is just silly. If a company\'s product doesn\'t succeed, that\'s no one\'s fault but that company.
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Sorry Emperor, but the market and compeditors are to blame at least as much.
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The only blame about a companies downfall can be put on the copany itself. you cant blame another company because it has brought in competition.
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I can blame anyone I want. And you can choose to disagree.
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I\'ve never thought you were a specific fanboy OneBillyGunn...
I think DC\'s death was the past mistakes; the reliability of Sega was lowered down. The greatest reason for PS2\'s success is the PS. It\'s a great advertize in its self, and ppl think ( usually; this is the casual-gamer ) that PS2 HAS to be good because PS sold so much. They\'re of course mainly right on this subject, but their decision to buy PS2 usually bases on un-researched opinions, than really deep thought researches between all the next-gen consoles...
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Originally posted by EThugg
Sorry Emperor, but the market and compeditors are to blame at least as much.
That\'s just another factor you have to take into consideration when operating a business. Just like designing, marketing, and all the way down to which janitors to hire. Shifting the blame to someone else is just an inability to accept responsibility.
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I can shift the blame to something when it belonged there already. Sega did everything IMO with DC short of announcing PD Saga 2 and Nights 2. I saw plenty of ads. They have plenty of great games. The company oozes innovation. What else could they do with DC???
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Even if Sega did everything they could to the best of their ability that doesn\'t mean squat. Life is not fair and the race goes to the fastest.
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I guess you guys sort of said what I wanted to say in a nutshell...
Sega DC died because the Sony PS2 competed with it...
Welcome to Earth!
Was Sony supposed to work around Sega or something...
::shaking my head::
some people!
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You guys dont see the irony in MS being a market leader for the same reasons and you guys dissing them, but Sony\'s doing what they\'re supposed to... hypocrites...
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Originally posted by EThugg
You guys dont see the irony in MS being a market leader for the same reasons and you guys dissing them, but Sony\'s doing what they\'re supposed to... hypocrites...
What thread is this moron reading?
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Moron? I was commenting on the very comment right above my own. Learn how to read ****er.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Moron? I was commenting on the very comment right above my own. Learn how to read ****er.
You should use the quote system with the quote button to help clear up confusions about who your replying to
It helps
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Doesn\'t matter if he uses the quote or not, his posts make no sense. He would rather believe that anyone but Sega is to blame for their own actions.
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Emperor-I never said that Sega had no fault at all. I said Sony and mainstream gamers (like your ass) were the biggest reason. And the quality of Sega\'s games outweigh their faults, unlike Sony, who IMO has done nothing good enough to counteract the death of DC. My post\'s make perfect sense, just cause you disagree doesn\'t mean I make no sense.
ddaryl-I usually do that, or like here, and put the persons name in front. Emperor knew what I was responding to, he just being a **** l8ly.
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hate to throw a wrench into this topic,but ummm,console gaming is only but mainstream! pc gaming is more hardcore than consoles gaming. Pong started console gaming and it just evolved from there...but i don\'t believe in the theory that any one console is hardcore over the other,all are mainstream,it is just different levels and genres of gaming,nothing more
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If that\'s they way you feel, I won\'t be able to change your mind, but I strongly disagree. Saturn was definitly for the hatdcore.
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explain to me how consoles are hardcore and not mainstream? explain to me how Saturn is more hardcore than PSX?
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Well, ok, the system itself isn\'t hardcore, but It was a system that hardcore gamers loved. It\'s user base was largly (then and now) hardcore gamers. That\'s the only way I can explain it. A systems place in the market, and label are defined by their user base. Even PSM admited DC and Sega owned the hardcore market... I don\'t count PC in these arguments, not because I dont think its a legit platform, but because I think its such a different gaming experience, that it shouldnt be compared to consoles (and vice versa). I don\'t doubt real PC gamers are hardcore...
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the reason i think pc gaming is more hardcore than consoles (not saying that they\'re better) is because the games can be altered / tweaked much more,especially online setup (soon consoles will get to do more of this too),making / using different game maps / character mods. i still don\'t see how console gaming is hardcore...either by the unit or games themselves. everybody gets the same standard game using the same standard console,where does this make it hardcore? how is it that Sega games are more hardcore than all the other PSX developers? sorry,i don\'t see your logic.
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I think EThugg is Entitled to his own opinions as long as he doesnt offend anyone, and in this thread he has been VERY civil.
Let him think what he wants. He has valid arguements, they are just different from everyone elses. That happens. Without difference there is no innovation. Ethugg brings a different point of view, usually with good intent and not to just bash like others, which brings debate. Debate leads to change. Change is good.(usually.)
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Those are the kindest words Ive heard in the last 10 minutes.. *sniff* that was beautiful man....
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Originally posted by EThugg
Chrono, I still blame Sony, I blame Sony in a big part for bringing a lot of the mainstream to gaming in the first place. Think I\'m overly critical of Sony?
Well...
1-Tough.
2-If this were MS who came in with Playstation in 95, and Sony was launching XB this year (like they absolutely switched places) I\'d be pissed at MS right now.
Don\'t worry, if things keep going like they are going for Sony. The PS3 will be the last console like the Dreamcast.
Sony was great in the days of the PSX, but they have worn out their welcome and they are heading for a fall. Sony has become non-innovative and way too overconfident if not outright arrogant. I do think Sony has lost most of their edge and they will continue to do so over time. Sony used to mean quality, not so anymore. Now they are just a business which is greedy, money hungry, got more global domination plans than Microsoft and there is no control over them. Is there even an Anti-trust law for companies in Japan? I don\'t think so.
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Ethugg, I bought a PS2 because[list=1]
- I was extremely pleased and still am with my PS1. I still buy games for it
- DVD compability
- Backward PS1 compability
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I didn\'t buy a DC because
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- I had a bad experience with SegaCD and Saturn
- I didn\'t see enough games I liked to warrant buying one
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All this talk of mainstream/hardcore is pointless and stupid. People who buy their own systems (not Nintendo owners :D) spend their money based on experience and their best investment.
A company\'s goal is to produce a product that is valuable to the consumer and secure a target market.
If a company fails to do this, it is their fault alone (excluding litigation). You can\'t blame other successfull companies, whether rival or not, for the failure of said company. You cannot blame the consumer; if the product does not interest them they have not accomplished their mission to produce a valuable product to the consumer.
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Fine Emperor, so you like MS right? I mean, they got were they are by \'...produce a product that is valuable to the consumer and secure a target market.\' So MS is a good company right? All the companies they killed were just casulties of not accomplishing that, right? Not according to many board members. Many board members say MS used unfair power/leverage to destroy compeditors. As far as I\'m concerned, Sony did the same thing (they did \'threaten\' fewer systems to stores that were advertising DC too much. Unfortunatly, Sony is a Japanese company, an everyone here ignores that they are every bit as corrupt as MS *ever* was.
*whew!* that was a mouthful. I\'m sure you disagree, so you have the floor.
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Microsoft? Hmm...can\'t say I approve of some of Bill Gates decisions as they were a bit on the shady side. But I don\'t think he should be shot or anything. If the court finds him guilty, and they have, they need to carry out the corrections, which they haven\'t. That\'s all I\'ve got to say about them except that I\'m interested in the X-box.
Sony? Lots of dirt being thrown about them doing this or doing that to prohibit sales of other competitor\'s merchandise. Whether it\'s true is for a court to decide and since there is no case I don\'t worry about it. That\'s all I\'ve got to say about them except I\'m pissed b/c my PS2 is broken.
Sega? Stick with one thing and make it work. Sega of Japan needs to realize there is a Western Hemisphere and they have customers there. That\'s all I\'ve got to say about that except I might get a DC when the price drops.
And that\'s all I have to say about that.
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Originally posted by Dwarrior
Originally posted by EThugg
Chrono, I still blame Sony, I blame Sony in a big part for bringing a lot of the mainstream to gaming in the first place. Think I\'m overly critical of Sony?
Well...
1-Tough.
2-If this were MS who came in with Playstation in 95, and Sony was launching XB this year (like they absolutely switched places) I\'d be pissed at MS right now.
Don\'t worry, if things keep going like they are going for Sony. The PS3 will be the last console like the Dreamcast.
Sony was great in the days of the PSX, but they have worn out their welcome and they are heading for a fall. Sony has become non-innovative and way too overconfident if not outright arrogant. I do think Sony has lost most of their edge and they will continue to do so over time. Sony used to mean quality, not so anymore. Now they are just a business which is greedy, money hungry, got more global domination plans than Microsoft and there is no control over them. Is there even an Anti-trust law for companies in Japan? I don\'t think so.
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Hey! S\'up Docwiz?
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Ethugg,I think your completely wrong when you said Saturn was for the hardcore because it wasn\'t. With a 400$ price tag and very few good games,the Saturn just plain sucked( no pun intended). The people who bought it were the long time Sega fans who\'d buy anything Sega puts out. The hardcore gamers were smart enough to realize that it wasn\'t worth the money.
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Well, you got your opinion, I got mine. I can\'t say anything I didnt already say.
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time to beat this dead horse some more,to me the topic of hardcore is something reserved for the truely devoted,so if a console is considered "hardcore",the person playing the console would have to devote most of thier time everyday to this thing. very rarely does this happen on a continual basis. some play alot of games and excell at them more than others,but how many play them everyday more than they work or over their normal recreation time. you\'d have to literally be a game tester or in some kind of video game league making a living from it to really be considered hardcore. it is still a mainstream device,the closests thing to calling a console hardcore is if ya got a import unit and had it modified to play another region. no one has proven to me that consoles are hardcore and i won\'t believe it until proven otherwise...die horse die!! :D
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Originally posted by Dwarrior
Don\'t worry, if things keep going like they are going for Sony. The PS3 will be the last console like the Dreamcast.
Sony was great in the days of the PSX, but they have worn out their welcome and they are heading for a fall. Sony has become non-innovative and way too overconfident if not outright arrogant. I do think Sony has lost most of their edge and they will continue to do so over time. Sony used to mean quality, not so anymore. Now they are just a business which is greedy, money hungry, got more global domination plans than Microsoft and there is no control over them. Is there even an Anti-trust law for companies in Japan? I don\'t think so.
I don\'t know if I can stop laughing at this post
Someone actually blaming SOny for bringing in Mainstream gamers, is that a joke cause thats the funniest thig I read
I\'m going to have to wipe the tears from my eyes know cuase I\'m laughing so hard.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Originally posted by Dwarrior
Don\'t worry, if things keep going like they are going for Sony. The PS3 will be the last console like the Dreamcast.
Sony was great in the days of the PSX, but they have worn out their welcome and they are heading for a fall. Sony has become non-innovative and way too overconfident if not outright arrogant. I do think Sony has lost most of their edge and they will continue to do so over time. Sony used to mean quality, not so anymore. Now they are just a business which is greedy, money hungry, got more global domination plans than Microsoft and there is no control over them. Is there even an Anti-trust law for companies in Japan? I don\'t think so.
I don\'t know if I can stop laughing at this post
Someone actually blaming SOny for bringing in Mainstream gamers, is that a joke cause thats the funniest thig I read
I\'m going to have to wipe the tears from my eyes know cuase I\'m laughing so hard.
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:laughing: i just glanced at that thread,but after you re-posted the note,it\'s hard to even take that thing seriously,but what do you expect from a reincarnated Docwiz!? lol
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Well I\'m back... (yeah!)
and the only reason is because I am unbelievably bored right now. Things actually look like they have shapened up. ddaryl finally got through to Ethugg, other people have returned, and order is being brought back... maybe there is something worth staying here after all...
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Originally posted by TheOneBillyGunn
Well I\'m back... (yeah!)
and the only reason is because I am unbelievably bored right now. Things actually look like they have shapened up. ddaryl finally got through to Ethugg, other people have returned, and order is being brought back... maybe there is something worth staying here after all...
Got through to me? I\'m doing nothing different.