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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: unknown on February 06, 2001, 07:30:15 PM
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yep its true, my march issue came in the mail today and here is the entier review:
square has yet to release an rpg for the ps2, and the other bach of titles- a wrestling game,gekikukan baseball and driving emotion- have impressed us, but only as far as graphics aree concerned. unfortunatly the bouncer continues this downward trend of games with breath-taking graphics and disappointing gameplay. and indeed, the gameplay is the bouncers biggest fault,although you\'ll have acess to three characters with completely different fighting styles, the combat always degrades into button mashing, I attribute this weakness to poor, and often times cheap, enemy AI and the lack of backround interaction. in fact without backround interaction, or even weapons like bats and knives, the gameplay is more limited than brawlers from decades ago, such as double dragon, final fight, and streets of rage. each of these classics include thses 2 features, even if only to a somewhat limited degree.
the gameplay depth rises to even shallower levels
with the bouncers short length, any game that takes an hour and thirty minutes to finish "especially one with an hour of cg" is inexcusable, to say the very least, however depending on wether you actually enjoy the game, this may coem as a relief, never the less, such a minimal amount of gameplay elicits that the focus was placed on the graphics and elaborite cg sequences,while the gameplay came as an after thought.
the only redeeming elementof the bouncer besides the stunning graphics, is the character design. we agree that the three main characters- volt, sion, and kou- are extremly captavating,these are the most detailed characters ever seen in a video game; they surpass the detail of even MGS2 characters!!
the bouncers production value can\'t compensate for the flawed gameplay. if youve been waiting to purchase thisgame, you may want to reconsider.
TOKOYA from play station magazine.
well thats the whole thing, guess im not buying this game after all, ill just rent it .
i think it sucks we have been waiting this long only to hear diapointing news about bouncer, well thats my opinion,
what are yours?
oh and this isnt OPS magazinr this is playstation magazine 100% independent
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I\'m glad I didn\'t pre-pay like other people ahahahaha!!!
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Reviewers also destroyed DW2.
That game isnt that long when you think about it.
Its just so fun, you play it over and over.
Reviewers today are turning into Wine Consuieers(sp?)
They looked at the repitive gameplay and gave it sixes, when most people who have played it LOVE IT.
People at this board can attest to that.
I think they are doing the same thing with this game.
Ill give it a rent and play it myself.
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I cancelled my pre-order for this game
no worries though there are other awesome games in March
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Another disappointment! How long were we talking and waiting for this game?! :rpissed: :(
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did u guys know this was supposed to be a japanese ps2 launch game!!
but the game is not that bad like people say it is, its just short and the 2 player mode is pretty good
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Welp, don\'t believe one magazine. It\'s one reviewer\'s opinion. go to Playstationcenter.com, they gave it 85/100; it\'s over an average.
I\'m still maybe going to buy it - just gotta test it first.
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This what happen went you put graphics over gameplay.
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the gameplay is NOT BAD, the game is just too short
you can finish it within two hous when you watch all the FMV, and in less than an hour when you skip them
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Well, the game sounds like a good RENT.. maybe I\'m not going to buy it after all, the shortness of the game really bugs me.
Is 70$ really worth few hours of playing ( when you\'ve seen the whole game and no surprises are REALLY left... )???
I think not. But I\'m DEFINETELY going to rent it if it\'s possible when the game comes out...
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I\'m finding that hard to believe.
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WHy did you all look forward to the Boucer?? There was never any great new innovations in gameplay. We never new a good solid thing about the mechanics of the game. It just looked awesome , ergo you expected it to be great. I don\'t find it astonishing that it\'s not sooo good. Expected it actually.
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I\'ll still get it. I like beat em ups. I think people are just expecting too much out of it.
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I never trust those magazines never have never will.Dunno why
I hope firinsquad will review this game cuz I do trust them.
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never jude a book by its cover !
Also never trust the opinion of some GIMP you don\'t know, thats why i prefer to play a demo of the game before i buy it :D.
played the Demo of danasty warriors 2 , and despite some shocking use of fogging, the game is a damn scream to play.
Thats why i am getting that one when i finally get my PS2.
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
the gameplay is NOT BAD, the game is just too short
you can finish it within two hous when you watch all the FMV, and in less than an hour when you skip them
DUDE! You spend $70 on your PS2 games?
I have to words for you:
BEST BUY
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i have been reading playstation magazine for about 6 months now and i have a 2 year subcription, psm is 100% independent wich means its written by people like us not some sponsored bias bastard, i believe the review seeing as how every other review he has written has been acurate, dont get me wrong i really wna play thus game, hey if the people look better than MGS2 then its worth a try
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i´m really impressed with these scores... 4/10? 85/10?... but what´s this? I thought this was a nice and good game... is this a joke? is this true? ¿?¿?¿?¿ I´M DISSAPOINTED
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Originally posted by Adan
i´m really impressed with these scores... 4/10? 85/10?... but what´s this? I thought this was a nice and good game... is this a joke? is this true? ¿?¿?¿?¿ I´M DISSAPOINTED
I think 85/10 is quite a good score LOL
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85 out of 100 is Really Good, almost Incredible, think it that way.
I love beat-em-ups as well, so I maybe buy Bouncer. I test it out first of course, and then judge the game. I shouldn\'t do it from first impressions.. but I still have this feeling inside me that Bouncer isn\'t a game to miss.
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I\'ll withhold judgment until I hear more reports from actual gamers. I\'m still intrigued by the idea you have to play through as all three characters to get the whole story.
As far as I can tell critics in general save the thumbs up for their own favorite butts.
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yeah, I think Bouncer is a good game but with those scores... in Spain a 85/100 is a bad game... a normal good game reachs 90/100 or 92/100. Great games like FF or GT get 97 or 98/100. In other countries the score is different. I wanna first impressions when anyone plays this game... perhaps USA and Europe versions are better, aren´t they?
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Playstation2 magazine are the best for reviews. They arent biased and actually give reason to how they get to their scores unlike other magazines.
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Stupid scoring systems... if the scores run from 0 to 100, an average game should score 50 points. It still might be a worthy game for fans of the genre for a good laff, but flawed in many places. 70 is already an above average game and 85 marks a very good game, if not quite perfect. Or... depends who\'s reviewing it and whether they\'ve used any logic in making their scoring tables... EDGE\'s got the best scoring system (others use the same kinda system too, but seem a bit less knowledgeable what is the score for a mediocre game)
Silly scoring you got there in Spain... or does your score chart run from 50 to 100? :)
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I agree with Hawke.
The scoring system is another thing that\'s in a constant war. In the scale of 0-100 the average IS 50. It\'s on the blade; it isn\'t bad but it isn\'t so good either. 70 would be quite good, 80 good, 90 very good---
But here in finland many times they\'re explained or showed as...
70 - quite bad 80 - quite good but has many flaws 90 - good, usually recommended 95 - very good, buy it immediately! 95-100 very few games get into this era... once every year maybe...
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Stuff any scoring system for any game on ANY console.
It\'s like this.
What you like, Another person may hate
Simple huh.
You may LOVE the bouncer. Play it first. See what you think. THEN judge it. Don\'t judge it on what some other guy thinks.
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yeah here the scoring is 0-100 and the average score should be 50. But it doesn´t. Here, I repeat, a 80-85 game is a bad game, I don´t understand why...
I´m thinking... a 70 - 75/100 should be a normal/good game...
I´ll try later to send one letter to the main spanish gaming magazine... ;)
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Yeah, SoulGrind is right.
Reviewers are just human beings. Perhaps what some doesn\'t like another person might love. With some games it isn\'t that likely, but it\'s not impossible. I\'d rent The Bouncer first before saying it sucks. Perhaps I\'ll really think it does, but perhaps I\'ll enjoy it instead. :)
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yeah Samwise I agree, if the review hates the game, the game will get a low score. This is a problem ´cause can damage the commercial plans of the game company... I think.
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Here\'s an actually good review of it:
http://www.ps2web.com/article.asp?id=1264
What do you guys think?
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Thanx man for the review, ;)
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Scores are those who can\'t/don\'t bother on doing research about the games, so they can get at least some indication whether a game is good or not. For these people the scoring systems are unfair. Most people\'ve gotten used to the stupid system where 7(or 70) = bad game. I never take the scores literally, since, yes, we all got different tastes. If I\'d taken heed of one FFVII review (which scored the game 1/10) I don\'t think I\'d gotten the game. I saw it as a game that looks interesting to me, and I went for it. I\'d score the game 11½/10.
Once again I must mention Famitsu for their groovy scoring system. All mags/webpages should use it :)
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Famitsu uses a score system like this 35/40 or 20/40... not?
THEN a good game for Famitsu, what score must it get?
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They got a four member crew rating all the games, each one giving a score between 1 and 10. The final score is the combined opinion of 4 individuals, which is a way better indicator of goodiness than a single dolt reviewing a game.
I\'m not quite sure if 5 is a mediocre score over there, but the fact that more people review the games gives more indication on how the game suits different individuals. Silly that they must add the points \'cause it might cause some confusion, e.g. if a game has scored 8,3,8,3, the total will be 22, hiding the fact that two people thought it was a well above average game. I think their Silver, Gold & Platinum awards are somehow related to the total score so they must count\'em together... And a universal game that appeals to different people deserves to be awarded too :)
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wow! this must be sweet... very good. ;)
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That\'s a good way too score. Not just off 1 person. But more like a poll type thing. So it\'s not bias or a one minded opinion. :D
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well im just glad that i finally made a thread people are intersted in, good job unknown!, anyways i guess ou guys are right, one person doesnt speak for the entier world, but everyone has different opinions and i give them much respect for at least telling us what they think, but like i said im not going to buy it right off the bat, i will rent it like a week oir 2 after it comes out, seeing as how it will probably be out in every video store, and judge it for myself, or even better, come to the forum on the release date and see what everyone that got it has to say.
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Originally posted by ooseven
never jude a book by its cover !
Also never trust the opinion of some GIMP you don\'t know, thats why i prefer to play a demo of the game before i buy it :D.
played the Demo of danasty warriors 2 , and despite some shocking use of fogging, the game is a damn scream to play.
Thats why i am getting that one when i finally get my PS2.
Oh, that\'s why you like PS2 so much! You don\'t own one yet! *Sigh* :D Well, for someone who doesn\'t have a PS2, you sure throw your weight around here like you do. Now that\'s a fanboy if I ever saw one!
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You are an Xbox fanboy reverend. SAY YOU ARE. Your name, and the threads tell all. How could you post a "ps2 loosing popularity" With a name like ReverendXBOX, and not call yourself a fanboy? you have a BAD case of denial
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Oh, that\'s why you like PS2 so much! You don\'t own one yet! *Sigh* Well, for someone who doesn\'t have a PS2, you sure throw your weight around here like you do. Now that\'s a fanboy if I ever saw one!
so i am a fanboy if i have played a game that i LIKE ?
sorry my Preacher of satan walking the earth !
a Fanboy is
someone who like a system no matter what, and if you read that quote you will find that i said that the OVER USE OF FOGGING WAS SHOCKING but the gameplay "floated my boat" i.e. i engoyed playing it Dumass !
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I\'m curious as to how many have canceled pre-orders, said the game was great, said the game sucked, and said the game deserves the money, has actually PLAYED the title. The only person on this whole forum I have seen who has actually played it is The Bouncer and he said the game kicked ass in every way. Also, you guys are judging a purchase of a game based on what other people think? Come on, it helps to do research on hardware products, but when it comes to software, one man\'s toilet crust is another man\'s gold.
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Hello all, I am back. How its going. Glad to know the forum is back.
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Glad to have you back Know-it-all-wannabe :)
Bouncer is interesting package. Someones hate it, someones love it.
But for me, the shortness of the game bothers most. I was expecting it to be just little longer... but few hours?!?!?! Then all surprises are gone... Then you just gotta update your characters.
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Why trust the ratings, Mega Man games never get good ratings yet they are my favorite games to play. Who knows they could infact be biased... it\'s true! Reviewers have a soul too...
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Look ahead in the future i dont know about u\'s but playstation has only been in australia for a few months so theres not many good games released atm, but lets talk about something other then the bouncer how about TombRaider:Next Gen or Resident Evil4, now they are the games u should be waiting for. Im a huge fan or Resident Evil and TR series now no matter what they are like they will be awesome and so what about the bouncers gameplay because look at Resident Evils guys i can finish them all in under 3 hours but its excellant fun just like the Bouncer probably will be and that toss that wrote that article obviously doesnt like beat em up much!!!! oh well thats enough from the PlaystationExpert cyas all
"If U Learn Something Learn It From The Best, Thats What Im Here For"
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it\'s like i said , sometimes it is better to play it first before you buy it.
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Don\'t listen to reviews. All the reviews said Orphen was horrible but I thought it was ok... Its a matter of taste above all else. Some ppl actually liked Superman 64...
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yup its all down to personal tastes too :).
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Personal Taste.
Someone once said on this board that Lemmings was one of the most horrible game ever released.
For me, it is one of the greatest games ever.
There is a big difference, and sometimes reviewers are just selected; sometimes a reviewer has to play a game he/she is not interested about at all, so he/she may give the game bad rating just for the frustration.
So that\'s why I suggest every site to collect other reviewer\'s points and small glympses of their opinions. And then post the overall score.
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word of advice for all, don\'t beleve everythig you read !
use the reviews as a general guide line but not the final word. Sometimes a review can give a Biass opinion of a game both good or bad.
so it always pays to play it first.
infact don\'t EB let you try a game if you are not sure before you buy it ?....
mind you that will only mean that you get about 5 min\'s of play.
Thank GOD for Coverdisks i say :D.
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Well i am getting when it comes out because i like the presentation of the game - the graphics and story
Although the game mey be short - it will probaly still be a good game - just not one that you will keep playing like sports games and rpgs are.
Oh well i am still gonna buy it - i have been looking foward to this game for too long and i am not gonna let this get in my way.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Don\'t listen to reviews. All the reviews said Orphen was horrible but I thought it was ok... Its a matter of taste above all else. Some ppl actually liked Superman 64...
i got orpehn the first day it cameout, and it was so damn crappy, i mean, iw as horrible, i you go to the ratings pole of games at planet ps2, its in the junkyards as well as pool and surfing, im sorry but that game was so bad i liteally gave it away, but if it floats your boat, so be it
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I don\'t want Dark Cloud to fail on me like this one!