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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: on February 10, 2001, 10:27:57 AM
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FIRST I HAVE TO USE CAPS TO STRESS MY POINT, AND MOST FANBOYS ARE PROBALLY GOING TO IGNORE THIS.
GO TO THIS URL:
http://ps2.ign.com/previews/15726.html
READ, LOOK AT THE PICS, AND MOST IMPORTANT, DOWNOAD THE TRAILER. IT LOOKS PHOTO-REALISTIC. DON\'T GIVE ME IN GAME CRAP. FOR ABOUT 3 SECONDS TOWARDS THE MIDDLE-END OF THE MOVIE THERE IS A INGAME SESSION THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE OTHER SEQUENCES.
MADDEN WAS THE START
GT3, BOUNCER, ZOE, AND FFX IMPROVED ON IT
MGS2 AND GETAWAY PUT FINISHING TOUCHES
AC4 PERFECTED IT.
WHAT MY POINT IS THAT I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE ALMOST IF ANY DIFFERENCE IN NEXT-GEN GRAPHICS. ALL OF IT MAY RELY ON EFFECTS AND GAMEPLAY. AND NAME.
EFFECTS: PS2, GC, AND XBOX ALL HAVE QUITE A FEW ON HARDWARE. BUT WHAT PS2 DOSEN\'T HAVE CAN BE DONE IN SOFTWARE BECAUSE OF THE VU\'S WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT HIT ON HARDWARE. XBOX AND GC DOES HAVE MORE HARDWARE EFFECTS I THINK.
GAMEPLAY: UP TO THE DEVELOPERS
NAME:SEGA, GONE SONY, HUGE NAME NINTENDO, PARENTS REFER TO ALL GAME SYSTEMS AS NINTENDO (THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING), MICROSOFT, MOST PEOPLE HATE, SOME LIKE.
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Man,About 4 years from now U will see graphics on the PS2 that makes the Ace combat 4 look like ****.
We havent seen anything yet, MGS2 is not even close to matching the PS2 power, Kojima said that they dont have time to do MGS2 better looking but they can if their had time, but 2001 is the year of the snake in Japan so MGS2 has to come out this year.
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mmmm, tasty
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has anyone ever eaten snake?
just curious
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I had to look really close to see if those were real pics, pre-rendered pics or game-shots.
And I can\'t tell, really! I\'m not short sighted, or bad sighted or anything.
That\'s amazing. That reveals some powers of the PS2.
Now I just should download the videoclip...
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AC4 looks pretty sweet...
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Ummmm, fanboy or not, those shots were impressive, but the preview trailer sucks. No in-****pit shots, just flyby\'s showing limited terrain. I hope the gameplay is as good as the looks though. Namco does know their stuff (except for maybe RRV).
Oh and enough with the CAPS already~!!
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LOL, I just realized that this board won\'t let you type c0ck-pit. Pretty funny. :)
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It looks great but I have to disagree with one thing; Nothing touches the cars of GT3.
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Originally posted by THX
LOL, I just realized that this board won\'t let you type c0ck-pit. Pretty funny. :)
Ya i noticed that a long time ago.
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Mirage 2000C in action:
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Hmmm you are tempting Fate and the Fanboys with this one mate , its best not to rile them becuse they will as usual crawl out of the wood work and dump on this forum from a extreme height :eek:.
it will only be a matter of time untill we get " thats not ingame shots " or look at the Jayyies they make my eyes bleed !" .
FFS people it is now getting like you can look at a game with out some troll ripping it to shreads.
i only say this beacuse i think these shots are out of this world.
Well done for showing me this master piece :D.
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I feel your pain and frustration with the silliness that is the console war
But no matter how hard you plea, no matter how much sense you make there will be people on all sides of the fence that must prove they\'re choice is/was the best one
I believe there will be differences just not as extreme as some console war Zealots believe.
IMO its just a great time to be a gamer and its going to get alot better.
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Or better yet if it takes to long to develop those fantastic games. Certain games on PC have taken two to three years to develop and these new next gen consoles are no different. DC has most likely been the easiest to dev for PS2 on the other hand takes a little more effort to work with which means longer dev times to get the results you want, heck Drakan and Starfighter were suppose to be launch titles. Can any nex gen console afford to have two to three year development times and survive? There is already talk of the PS3 replacing PS2 because broadband is not widely available yet. I want these great games but I dont want to wait two years for them who knows what will be the technological standard then.
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jiggs..
leave this forum,
you obviously have a biased mind, choose to belive false news.. etc
If your going to have a game look that good on any console/platform its going to take time and money. The nintendo president said this too. Unless you have actually programmed before, like myself, you should not state your opinion on the subject
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Man that looks so real!!!!!
But umm its kinda dissapointing too, cause its so real and I would probably throw-up due to nausea from playing it.
I got a weak stomach.
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Yea everytime i see that game it blows mw away - it only looks better and better each and everytime i see it
See its games like this that make fanboys jeaalous and go crazy - at least for a little while
I think they are starting to die down a little - thank goddness - i can handle small does of them but too much and i feel like hurting someone
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Big deal. My 32X could of done that easy, if developers would of taken the time.:laughing:
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LOL good one - dang i haven\'t thought of the 32x in a while mostly becuase there isn\'t much to think about - it sucked and it died - very very quickly
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Originally posted by Chrono
jiggs..
leave this forum,
you obviously have a biased mind, choose to belive false news.. etc
If your going to have a game look that good on any console/platform its going to take time and money. The nintendo president said this too. Unless you have actually programmed before, like myself, you should not state your opinion on the subject
Please explain your posision here. Biased? What biased to good games. What am I supposed to be biased to? Are you one of those fanboys who likes to preach to the congregation where only your view as represented. What false news am I believeing here, we are just talking here about our favorite subject. So you have done some programming does that make you an industry expert? Just what have you programmed? I build gaming PC\'s and have followed this industry since the atari days and I do know this it changes constantly. I dont need to do no stinking programming to read the news and view the events and comment on them...thats why I come here because a lot of the news can be seen here first. You my friend are the biased fanboy who feels threatened by anyone who does not preach your posision. I will state my opinion any time I please to spite your objections. You.....are the one that is closed minded!
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jigs
you idiot..
"There is already talk of the PS3 replacing PS2 because broadband is not widely available yet. I want these great games but I dont want to wait two years for them who knows what will be the technological standard then."
talks of ps3 replacing ps2 beacus of broadband!?? you kidding me?
and once again THE PS2 IS NOT HARDER TO MAKE GAMES FOR!!!!!
its just differnt!! and capable of alot more!
you not biased?
rofl :laughing:
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Originally posted by *)PhoeniX(*
has anyone ever eaten snake?
just curious
i have, but only cuz my dad tricked me and said it was sumpin else, i ferget.
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True Living-In-Clip, Rogue Squadron truly proved that great programming for flight games was just around the corner for the short-lived 32-X... :D
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Nice try man but that news has been all over the internet check UKGamer if you will. And you still havent told me how I am biased like yourself. I will not lower myself to name calling fact is I dont even know you and up until this time I had respected your threads. One more thing. Time is money the faster with less staff you can develop games the more profit. Thats just business. Unless you have been hiding under a rock its is widely known that the PS2 requires a little bit more effort to program for. Why are you closed minded to this? Personally I bought the ps2 for two games both were supposed to launch(Drakan, GT3)and I am a little disappointed they are not avaliable yet. Dont you a progammer think they knew It would take this long to produce those games or were they not being truthful promising these games at launch If they knew most of the great games were not coming until march or later. Why induce the stampede that insued on launch day? You cant tell me they did not know that. The truth of the matter is they could use even more time in development for most of the games. Many are being rushed. Why? People want their money. Chrono, You have not read how many discontent developers are out there now? You disagree with me for no reason? Please explain.
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jiggs, all I have to say is you better read up and get recent on all the news, get your facts straight before you go off saying stuff like that... cause you about 99% wrong.
1.) the ps2 is not and harder to devlelope for then any other platform system
2.) the ps3 does not come out till 2005+
3.) yes, you are an idiot for not getting your facts straight and being 100% sure of your self after I point out your false
4.) you are not biased, unless you refuse to consider the truth and current facts, then you are biased.
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Chrono,
Capable of alot more, than what, DC? I\'ll give you that much, but you know jack **** about what X-Box and Gamecube can do because you don\'t know much about them. I don\'t care what you read, NONE OF US know what it\'s capable of.
I\'m not putting the PS2 down in any way, I like Sony. But to think Microsoft and Gamecube are going to release inferior machines is just plain stupid.
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I never said that...
or rather, thats not what I meant
I meant the ps2 is cable of alot more beacuse of its modern archtecture
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Originally posted by Chrono
jigs
you idiot..
and once again THE PS2 IS NOT HARDER TO MAKE GAMES FOR!!!!!
its just differnt!! and capable of alot more!
you not biased?
rofl :laughing:
You didn\'t?!?!;)
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Do you mean that it can and will out do anything else just because it is different and "modern."
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Originally posted by Ginko
Do you mean that it can and will out do anything else just because it is different and "modern."
I never said it "would"
I just said its very possible
its using an archtecture that is made for games, not office applications. I see a brighter future in the innvoative design.
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Do you honestly think that X-box is just a pc in a smaller box? Do you think you will be able to use word 2000 or excel on the X-box?
It is going to be a dedicated game machine. Did you ever read the article were the X-box team told Bill that it wouldn\'t be compatiable with PC games. He was shocked, but they said that\'s the only way they would continue is if it wasn\'t PC compatible!! So he gave it the okay.
Yes, it will have ports, but not direct!
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then why does the nividia dev kit allow dev\'s to make PC games and X-Box games SIMULTANIOUSLY!
that really bothers me, it does everything to try and not look like a PC, but it is.
it will be held back by the majority of games devleopled for both the PC and X-Box
its the first dev kit in history designed for 2 platforms!
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Then tell me what games are in development currently due out this year online for PS2? When will I be able to go online with my PS2? Did you read the articles on UKgamer? Are they full of crap? When did I mention that the PS3 was due to be released? I think you are the idiot. I am happy with my Ps2 I just want to see its full potential used.
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BUT not all games will be programmed with that in mind. Some developers are focusing only on X-BOX not even interested in the PC. THey are two different platforms. They have similarities but are different.
It\'s kinda like Naomi and Dreamcast. They are essentially the same but everyone knows Naomi is a bit more powerful and you can get performance out of it that you can\'t on DC.
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Originally posted by jiggs
Then tell me what games are in development currently due out this year online for PS2? When will I be able to go online with my PS2? Did you read the articles on UKgamer? Are they full of crap? When did I mention that the PS3 was due to be released? I think you are the idiot. I am happy with my Ps2 I just want to see its full potential used.
huh?
why in the hell did you say the ps3 will replace the ps2 beacuse of broadband?
your telling me to talk straght when you make no sense all all!
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Originally posted by Ginko
BUT not all games will be programmed with that in mind. Some developers are focusing only on X-BOX not even interested in the PC. THey are two different platforms. They have similarities but are different.
It\'s kinda like Naomi and Dreamcast. They are essentially the same but everyone knows Naomi is a bit more powerful and you can get performance out of it that you can\'t on DC.
But you can\'t tell me to my face that the x-box is not going to work just like a PC... and have more PC/X-Box games then anything else. Just allowing the dev kits to make games on both platforms opens up the flood gates for pc games.. you can\'t deny that. And your naomi dreamcast comparison is total crap, that has nothing to do with this. We are NOT talking about arcades here, care to tell me what that has to do with 2 home platforms.
"Some developers are focusing only on X-BOX not even interested in the PC."
give me a list of devleopers that are like this.. more then 3, good luck
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I am not making this up out of my head! I just read it on the various gaming sites. I really dont care about the ps3 right now. What is your point? And answer the question since your know so much. What online games are in development for the PS2 now? When will we be able to go online?
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Originally posted by jiggs
I am not making this up out of my head! I just read it on the various gaming sites. I really dont care about the ps3 right now. What is your point? And answer the question since your know so much. What online games are in development for the PS2 now? When will we be able to go online?
What article?
could it be from The Register, the most stupid gaming publication yet?
I can tell you right now that tenchu 3 will be online, FF11, and many other titles that dev\'s have not really talked about. The hardrive and modem will go on sale later this year, possibly as early as this summer in the US.
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Sega
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Universal
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A good comparison is EA. Do you think that Madden 2001 for the PS2 was held back because of the PC version? Why do you think it is any different with X-Box? Explain...
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Originally posted by Chrono
then why does the nividia dev kit allow dev\'s to make PC games and X-Box games SIMULTANIOUSLY!
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Yes, it allows, but doesn\'t require...
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Originally posted by Ginko
Originally posted by Chrono
then why does the nividia dev kit allow dev\'s to make PC games and X-Box games SIMULTANIOUSLY!
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Yes, it allows, but doesn\'t require... [/B]
yep, it don\'t require...
but why include it?
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Hmmm, well chrono, I don\'t have any programming nor
real hardware knowledge, but what jiggs maybe is
trying to say is that with this new generation of game
consoles gamedevelopement is increasingly complex;
more time/effort intensive.
Personally, especially because I live in Europe, the big
PS2 games\' release dates do need getting used to.
This of course also has to do with PS2 shortages which
triggered several games to be delayed.
I just read this interview on IGN cube on Giles Goddard
who worked at Nintendo for a long time and is currently
busy at Video System for their PS2 F1 game.
He has extensive programming knowledge and he pointed out
some differences between NGC and PS2.
He also pointed out, what he believes to be, the bottlenecks PS2 has.
I don\'t conlude from that immediately, but it\'s interesting to think about.
That\'s also because my PS2 is still waiting for the big apps
like the Getaway and Onimusha ( the latter one in Summer for
us Europeans ).
Knotter8
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to reach a broad audience. Why not?
I am going to admit that the X-BOx will have alot of ports. But they aren\'t going to be, or don\'t have to be, direct.
There will be things that the X-box can do that the PC can\'t, some developers will choose to exploit that.
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ok, Knotter8
but why does he mention ps3?
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You can start a new thread in the Console Debating section.