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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: CelliCeL on February 21, 2001, 08:01:05 PM
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Nintendo, SEGA or Sony? X-bOX doesnt count because their first system isnt even out yet. What are the top three games that the 1st party developers make,iyo?
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if yer 12 years old or under - nintendo
if yer 13 years old older - sega
sony doesnt exactly have 1st party games
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Originally posted by mm
sony doesnt exactly have 1st party games
not sure I understand what you mean by this
Sony owns quite a few Studios.
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Even though we haven\'t seen anything from them, Naughty Dog is my choice for the best 1st party developer.(I think they\'re 1st party, aren\'t they?) Their past games have been really good and they claim their next game on the PS2 is going to WOW us all...we will see. :) I\'m hoping that they show us at least a glimpse of it this E3.
I don\'t really know a lot of first party developers for any console, so I can\'t really say which console has the best.
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Ummm what exactly is the differences between 1st 2nd and 3rd party developers?
i get them confused a lot, an answer would be appreciated
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1st Party: Developers owned by the console maker. (ie. Mario, Sonic, and Gameday are all first party games)
2nd Party: Separate developers who have an agreement to produce software for only one console. (ie. Rare, Bungie, Naughty Dog are all 2nd party developers.)
3rd Party: Developers that are free to develop for any and all consoles. (ie. EA, Square:D, Konami)
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I think Sega and Sony have the best 1sr party developers.
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Sony? No way! look at the crap 989 produces. They got Polyphony, thats about it. At least from what we have seen Verant too, but that is like one game, and it is online, something the PS2 doesnt do yet? :)
Sega has the best, obviously. They do sports, racing, action, arcade, strategy, puzzle, dancing, platform, adventure, etc, etc, etc! And the best thing about them, is hey do it RIGHT! if Nintendo would innovate once in a while, maybe they wold be, but when was the last time they had a fresh idea? Or an original franchise?
Eric Jacob
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ok i just forgot the difference of 1st and 2nd party developers
well in that case i also say sega or nintendo - they have come out with some of the most original games and they take their time to make them great
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Geez. Sony has quite the line up coming for PS2, but no, let\'s just harp on 989?!?!
Getaway(Drv/Adv)
Tsugani(RPG)
Devil and I(RPG)
Popolocrious(RPG)
Dark Cloud(Adv)
Drop Ship(RTS)
Extermination(Act/Adv)
Phase Paradox(Act/ADV)
Sagasini(RPG)
Those are just off the top of my head. I love rpg/action adv games and Sony is kicking a$$ in that dept.
And Naughty Dog has been purchased by Sony so they are 1st party now.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Sega has the best, obviously. They do sports, racing, action, arcade, strategy, puzzle, dancing, platform, adventure, etc, etc, etc! And the best thing about them, is hey do it RIGHT! if Nintendo would innovate once in a while, maybe they wold be, but when was the last time they had a fresh idea? Or an original franchise?Eric Jacob
WTF? Nintendo is one of the most innovative developers out there. Everytime they release a continuation of one of their franchises it is 100x better than the previous and most of the time takes the genre to a new level. Tell me how original Sonic is as a Mario clone? Although I love Sega and think they are one of the better development houses, Nintendo is the BEST at what they do (make games). NextGen, which is probably the best gaming mag, ran an article two months ago in which they compared each company\'s 1st and 2nd parties. They compared all of the games that the developers have made and said that for overall talent and no one beats Nintendo. I will scan and post the article later tonight. :D
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Not dissin\' Nintendo, but they haven\'t aged as well. The NES and SuperNES was both excellent systems. But the N64 wasn\'t anything special. The 64DD was a tragedy which is why we anyone out of Japan never got it.
I\'m with MM though.
Sega if you are over 13.
Nintendo if you are under 12.
Not to say that Nintendo doesn\'t produce some good games. They do. But not near enough.
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right Gohan, riiiigghhht. So Sonic is a Mario clone (obviously) , but isn\'t mario a clone of Pitfall or Lemmings, or some other games. Believe it or not, Mario was not the first platformer! GASP! It\'s true! Tell me, does Nintendo make sports games? RPGs? Racing games? (outside of kiddy cart racing or Cruisin\'?)? Puzzle games? Fighting Games? Online? The list goes on and on and on and on... Tell me, who is the best developer? Thhhhaaaaaaattttt\'s right!
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Not dissin\' Nintendo, but they haven\'t aged as well. The NES and SuperNES was both excellent systems. But the N64 wasn\'t anything special. The 64DD was a tragedy which is why we anyone out of Japan never got it.
I\'m with MM though.
Sega if you are over 13.
Nintendo if you are under 12.
Not to say that Nintendo doesn\'t produce some good games. They do. But not near enough.
Don\'t tell me that you are talking about Nintendo and their consoles. How ironic is this considering that the company that you are defending, Sega, has how many failed add-ons and consoles? Let\'s see, we have the 32X, GameGear, Sega CD, the Sega Saturn, and we\'ll throw in the DC since it appears that you consider the N64 a failure.
Ok that is 5 for Sega and 3 for Nintendo (Virtual Boy, 64DD, N64).
Now without the N64 and DC it is 4 for Sega and only 2 for Nintendo.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
right Gohan, riiiigghhht. So Sonic is a Mario clone (obviously) , but isn\'t mario a clone of Pitfall or Lemmings, or some other games. Believe it or not, Mario was not the first platformer! GASP! It\'s true! Tell me, does Nintendo make sports games? RPGs? Racing games? (outside of kiddy cart racing or Cruisin\'?)? Puzzle games? Fighting Games? Online? The list goes on and on and on and on... Tell me, who is the best developer? Thhhhaaaaaaattttt\'s right!
Eric Jacob
I can\'t say anything for the past, but for the future I can say this.
Nintendo makes sports games via Left Field (NBA Courtside, and other titles), Nintendo makes RPG\'s themselves (Paper Mario) and Silicon Knights will handle the RPG\'s (Too Human). You got me on the Racing part. Puzzle Games (Dr. Mario and Pokemon Puzzle League). Fighting (Super Smash Bros.) Online - that really isn\'t fair considering Nintendo hasn\'t had a chance to start their Internet thing.
I can\'t say who the best developer is because that is opinion. Just like when people say they like Visual Concepts over EA.
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Originally posted by ElAsesino
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Not dissin\' Nintendo, but they haven\'t aged as well. The NES and SuperNES was both excellent systems. But the N64 wasn\'t anything special. The 64DD was a tragedy which is why we anyone out of Japan never got it.
I\'m with MM though.
Sega if you are over 13.
Nintendo if you are under 12.
Not to say that Nintendo doesn\'t produce some good games. They do. But not near enough.
Don\'t tell me that you are talking about Nintendo and their consoles. How ironic is this considering that the company that you are defending, Sega, has how many failed add-ons and consoles? Let\'s see, we have the 32X, GameGear, Sega CD, the Sega Saturn, and we\'ll throw in the DC since it appears that you consider the N64 a failure.
Ok that is 5 for Sega and 3 for Nintendo (Virtual Boy, 64DD, N64).
Now without the N64 and DC it is 4 for Sega and only 2 for Nintendo. [/B]
Good point (will admit when someone makes a good point). Part of Sega\'s problem was with the 32x and SegaCD alot of people felt ripped off. Rightfully so. Both add-ons was dead pretty soon after release. Sega mostly failed because of its reputation. But did a nice come back with the DC, too bad people wasn\'t "getting it".
I\'m not saying the GC will fail. Nintendo just needs to come up with some new franchises. And maybe focus alot less on Pokecrap.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
right Gohan, riiiigghhht. So Sonic is a Mario clone (obviously) , but isn\'t mario a clone of Pitfall or Lemmings, or some other games. Believe it or not, Mario was not the first platformer! GASP! It\'s true! Tell me, does Nintendo make sports games? RPGs? Racing games? (outside of kiddy cart racing or Cruisin\'?)? Puzzle games? Fighting Games? Online? The list goes on and on and on and on... Tell me, who is the best developer? Thhhhaaaaaaattttt\'s right!
Eric Jacob
Its like reinventing the wheel. If I make a better wheel than the one we normally use and you copy my wheel then you have a "Gohan Wheel" clone. Its true.
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In terms of variety, Sega owns all, but in terms of brand name titles, nintendo owns all. Face it, there is no one mascot more recognized then Mario, although Pikachu comes in a close second and those characters could be dubbed, albeit oddly, marquee (sp?) performers. I mean, Mario has a total of 70+ appearances in videogames, and I\'m sure Nintendo paid Miyamoto handsomly for each one. Pikachu is just a cash cow, or yellow-buzzy-thingy-mabob, whichever you prefer.
Money aside, in terms of fun, variety wins out here. Sega has the BEST franchises along with the most differentiated line up as well. The only new game that was of Nintendo origin that was truly original was Super Metroid and that was still a sequel to a previous franchise and that was 7 fraggin years ago! I think that one sentence says a lot about Nintendo. Now that I think about it, I think Nintendo and Capcom share the same common business practices: "Release one original title every 6-10 or so years, milk the crap out of it in said 6-10 years, then release something completely new or an old rehash that seems fresh and original yet is the same thing regardless. Rinse and repeat."
Waverace 64 --> Waverace 2
Super Metroid --> Metroid 4
Mario 64 --> Luigi\'s Mansion
Rogue Squadron --> Rogue Squadron 2
Zelda: OoT --> New Zelda game... Links Arousal? Anybody\'s guess :p j\\k
Perfect Dark --> After Dark
Company known for it\'s originality and innovation? If by innovation you mean redoing the same tired thing over and over, you got that right.
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Taken from NextGen\'s January 2001 issue in the "Got Talent" cover story section.
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Overall 4 out of 5 stars:
Based on their games, Sega\'s developers are, without question, leading the industry in innovation. The downside to this is that regardless oh how good Samba de Amigo, or Space Channel 5 are, these titles aren\'t breaking out of their niche and moving hardware. On the other hand, the overpowering quality of Shenmue has managed to do just that. We expect Sega will continue to bring new and exciting titles in 2001, with stronger online components.
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Overall 3 1/2 out of 5 stars:
Sony\'s developers have lots of potential - arguably the most potential to surprise us with titles that can sell hardware. Some teams are unproven, and of the proven ones many PS2 games remain unseen. But it would take a real pessimist to predict flops from Naughty Dog, Insomniac, and several others on this list. However, a year ago, no pessimist would\'ve predicted the flop that is GameDay 2001 either, and the complexity of the means titles may be slow in coming.
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Overall 3 out of 5 stars:
Aside froom the obvious coup of Bungie and Oddworld Inhabitants, there aren\'t many groups on this list that really thrill us, and there are a few clunkers as well. Still, some of the new companies boast veteran talent - yet roughly half of Microsoft\'s first-party teams fall squarely into the PC development camp. While this may benefit each developer\'s programming staff, we can\'t help but feel it handicaps the designers. After Xbox launches, we feel this rating could swing dramatically either way.
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Overall 4 1/2 out of 5 stars:
While EAD certainly carries the rest of this group (including Rare, whose titles have been, for the most part, paint-by-numbers since Goldeneye), Nintendo very, very, very rarely ships a bad game. Sega\'s first party is comparable in many ways, but before Dreamcast pundits write in to argue for their half star, they should go back and play World Series Baseball 2K1
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Originally posted by Ryu
In terms of variety, Sega owns all, but in terms of brand name titles, nintendo owns all. Face it, there is no one mascot more recognized then Mario, although Pikachu comes in a close second and those characters could be dubbed, albeit oddly, marquee (sp?) performers. I mean, Mario has a total of 70+ appearances in videogames, and I\'m sure Nintendo paid Miyamoto handsomly for each one. Pikachu is just a cash cow, or yellow-buzzy-thingy-mabob, whichever you prefer.
Money aside, in terms of fun, variety wins out here. Sega has the BEST franchises along with the most differentiated line up as well. The only new game that was of Nintendo origin that was truly original was Super Metroid and that was still a sequel to a previous franchise and that was 7 fraggin years ago! I think that one sentence says a lot about Nintendo. Now that I think about it, I think Nintendo and Capcom share the same common business practices: "Release one original title every 6-10 or so years, milk the crap out of it in said 6-10 years, then release something completely new or an old rehash that seems fresh and original yet is the same thing regardless. Rinse and repeat."
Waverace 64 --> Waverace 2
Super Metroid --> Metroid 4
Mario 64 --> Luigi\'s Mansion
Rogue Squadron --> Rogue Squadron 2
Zelda: OoT --> New Zelda game... Links Arousal? Anybody\'s guess :p j\\k
Perfect Dark --> After Dark
Company known for it\'s originality and innovation? If by innovation you mean redoing the same tired thing over and over, you got that right.
Mmmmmmmmm\'hmmmm. But, they will argue that Nintendo is original and re-does the games each time. When is the last time Nintendo came out with something like Jet Grind Radio? Or Shenmue?
You mention Capcom and Nintendo. Only difference is Capcom does continue to put more games out. Where as Nintendo releases one or two here and there and then forgets about them for awhile. I mean, I like Nintendo franchises (most). But, I cannot warrant buying a system because of them. Where as Sega had enough first party games to keep me busy for along time.
Nintendo makes great games. Just not enough games.
And uhm? The Yoshi game for the N64 was not good. I remember buying it thinking "Great, another classic Mario game!". Getting home and beating it and going "I want my $60 dollars back, damnit!"..
Now, when I get some cash, I will go out and pick up Paper Mario. But didn\'t Nintendo hand that out to a 2ND party developer?
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Mmmmmmmmm\'hmmmm. But, they will argue that Nintendo is original and re-does the games each time. When is the last time Nintendo came out with something like Jet Grind Radio? Or Shenmue?
I was referring to all new all original titles. Capcom was Street Fighter and arcade beat\'em-ups for the longest time, but then, out of NOWHERE pops Resident Evil (Bio Hazard for the JP enthuiasts) and Nintendo does the same thing. They got Mario, and Link and Donkey, but out of nowhere pops Banjo Kazooie, albeit much of the same as most platformers for that system, he still came out of nowhere. Nintendo tends to come up with one overall main theme with each of their consoles when they release them. NES was the age of the side scrolling left to right adventure games a\'la Mario 1-3 while SNES was the day of the same, yet MUCH prettier a\'la, Donkey Kong Country and the aforementioned Mario games. N64 was the day of the third person platformer a\'la donkey, mario, and Banjo. I dunno what will happen with Gamecube, but I wouldn\'t be surprised if Nintendo follows that formula to some degree in the next 4 years.
I\'m not saying Nintendo isn\'t creative with it\'s existing titles, they just have a tendency to avoid all things fresh and completely new, but once they accept one thing (Mario64) and it becomes a success, lots of games tend to follow suit (Donkey Kong, Banjo Kazooie).
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Ryu the only similarity between Mario on the NES and Mario 64 is the fact that Mario is in both of them. You guys act like Sony and Sega don\'t rehash the same franchises.
Some examples:
-Sonic
-Tekken
-Final Fantasy
-Crash Bandicoot
-Tomb Raider
-etc.
I am not saying that these games were bad it is just that everyone has their franchises. They re-release their franchises because we ask for them. Games like Street Fighter that seemed to come out every 6 months with only minor changes kept coming out because we kept buying them. Just like if Sega announced that they were going to bring back some old franchises we would be crapping our pants in excitement. (ie. Ninja Gaiden, Altered Beast[Power-up :D], etc.)
BTW, If someone important is reading this, please bring back Ninja Gaiden and Altered Beast. :D
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Just to set it straight, we are talking about FIRST party software.
Crash(Multi-platform/now owned by Universal)
Tomb Raider(Multi Platform)
and Final Fantasy(Multi Platform/PC)
Neither is Tekken. It may be on PSX, but isn\'t made by Sony.
All are NOT Made by Sony or their First party Subsidiaries.
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Originally posted by CygnusXI
Just to set it straight, we are talking about FIRST party software.
Crash(Multi-platform/now owned by Universal)
Tomb Raider(Multi Platform)
and Final Fantasy(Multi Platform/PC)
Neither is Tekken. It may be on PSX, but isn\'t made by Sony.
All are NOT Made by Sony or their First party Subsidiaries.
You got me there. :D
BTW,
-Ninja Gaiden- -Ninja Gaiden- -Ninja Gaiden- -Ninja Gaiden-
-Altered Beast- -Altered Beast- -Altered Beast- -Altered Beast- :D
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Originally posted by Gohan
Ryu the only similarity between Mario on the NES and Mario 64 is the fact that Mario is in both of them. You guys act like Sony and Sega don\'t rehash the same franchises.
Some examples:
-Sonic
-Tekken
-Final Fantasy
-Crash Bandicoot
-Tomb Raider
-etc.
I am not saying that these games were bad it is just that everyone has their franchises. They re-release their franchises because we ask for them. Games like Street Fighter that seemed to come out every 6 months with only minor changes kept coming out because we kept buying them. Just like if Sega announced that they were going to bring back some old franchises we would be crapping our pants in excitement. (ie. Ninja Gaiden, Altered Beast[Power-up :D], etc.)
BTW, If someone important is reading this, please bring back Ninja Gaiden and Altered Beast. :D
Uhm? Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot, Final Fantasy, Tekken are not first party titles.
Nintendo makes good games. But don\'t come up with something truly original offen. They need something very fresh,hip, and original.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Uhm? Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot, Final Fantasy, Tekken are not first party titles.
Nintendo makes good games. But don\'t come up with something truly original offen. They need something very fresh,hip, and original.
I agree with you there, Nintendo and hip shouldn\'t be in the same sentence together and as far as originality goes, No one beats Sega.
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I\'d say Nintendo has the best 1st party developers.
Sega has innovation,yes, but sometmies they seem to lack in quality where as Nintendo has some innovation but always delivers in the quality department.
So what if Sega is original, Shenmue sucked and Sonic Aventure was too short. They have a lot of great game though, just not as many as Nintendo does. Innovation can kiss my ass.
Someone mentioned about Paper Mario going to a 2nd party, thats not true. They gave it to fellow 1st party Intelligent Systems(Super Metroid, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem).
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Silicon Knights looks like the most promising new second party developer for Nintendo that I\'ve seen. Eternal Darkness looks like it could be a million seller easily (IMO), and Too Human has a good theme in it too.
I personally want Eternal Darkness to be ported to GC, and there is a chance that that could happen. With Too Human and Eternal Darkness, I think Silicon Knights could eventually be recognized nearly as much as RARE.
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I think Nintendo really needs to kill off its franchises and actually come out with something interesting. Probably not going to happen, and that will keep alot of people from wanting a GC like me
Sega does dome cool things, but I don\'t find all Sega games to be great.
Sony is just getting out from being considered a rookie, and has invested a tremendous amounts of money into 1st party development.
I fully expect Sony to earn some serious respect this generation with a solid handful of great games , and slew of good games as well.
MS is the rookie in consoles, but they\'ve aligned themselves with a few developers for 1st party franchises
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Also, I think that since Sega is a third party, they might make Sonic and Nights only for GC depending on if they make exclusives for each console. I wouldn\'t mind that at all :). The only thing wrong with this is that I might not be able to get it because of all the DC games that I need to get :(.
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Ninja Gainden =Tecmo, I cant believe no one spotted that mistake either!! Come on get your facts straight before you print them. All companies have to have a series they fall back on. Nintendo has Mario. Sega has Sonic. Capcom has SF. etc! Sega makes more games, some may be lemons, but when you put in the fact they make like 2 times mroe games, yes, it comes out that Sega is in fact, the better developer!
Eric Jacob
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For right now, Nintendo. However, they are by no means in a secure spot. I need to see a lot of new ideas out of them and a lot less of the same old characters fast. If I think Nintendo is going to do the same games with the same old licences then I think my GCN will become ignored before 2002.
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i would say konami
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Originally posted by SLIMSHADY739
i would say konami
Are you paying attention?
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
All companies have to have a series they fall back on. Nintendo has Mario. Sega has Sonic. Capcom has SF. etc! Sega makes more games, some may be lemons, but when you put in the fact they make like 2 times mroe games, yes, it comes out that Sega is in fact, the better developer!
Eric Jacob
That argument makes absolutely NO sense. Here is an analogy:
You and I both own Electronics companies. We both make excellent TVs. The only difference is I make twice as many TVs than you do. Does that mean I am a better TV maker? No, It could just mean that:
1: I have larger facilities and/or More staff.
2: I use my TV making time better.
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If this were a few months ago I would have said Sega with no doubt. But they are 3rd party now.
So my next choice, and the obvious one, Nintendo. There franchises are so good. I mean, Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong, Banjo, etc. don\'t sell millions because of nothing.
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I would agree with some all nintendo does is rehash there first pary games. Nothin new and innovative. I think when it comes to first party since i am way over 13 sega. I have out grown nintendo. And sony first party development is now way comparison to nintendo and sega.
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Does the fact that they make games of their franchises every generation mean they rehash franchises? Zelda:OOT is NOT a rehash. Mario 64 is NOT a rehash. Games like Tekken 4 are rehashes. Games like Tomb Raider are rehashes. Rehashes don\'t get perfect scores from Famitsu. You guys aren\'t very technical when it comes to gaming but Mario 64 was a Technical masterpiece when it first came out.
The Hypocrisy here is mind-boggling. Games like Mario and Zelda are lambasted for being un-innovative and rehashes but VF4 and GT3 are heralded as the second coming. This makes no sense. VF4 and GT3 are the exact same things with prettier graphics. Does this make any sense whatsoever? Not to me it doesn\'t.
There have been 5 Mario games and 5 Zelda games. So if there is one more VF after VF4 then they all become rehashes correct? Oh wait, there have been 4 Donkey Kong games. Now that doesn\'t make sense, does it? I have had enough of this. I am going to sleep.
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sorry Gohan, I shall now strike your unfounded (and unresearched) opinions down!
None of the VF sequels have EVER been rehashes. Ever. Tekken I would say so, minus TTT. VF was the first polygon game. VF2 had learning AI, and texture mapped polys. VF3tb had team fighting, survival, etc. VF4 has eroding surfaces and fully interactive playing fields. Don\'t state what you DON\'T know.
GT3 is a technical masterpiece. Mario 64 I had played before it came out, yeah, it was called Lemmings 3D. very similar. Sorry but Mario64 was not a technical masterpiece. GT3 has mindu-numbingly realistic car settings and weather effects, etc,etc, etc!
How many times have I beat Ganon? How many times have I beat Bowser? Mario 2 (NES) is getting re-released on GBA. WOW! that is the THIRD time we will have seen this game. SMB was rereleased 3 times. Mario Kart is getting the rerelease, same with F-Zero. You don\'t think Nintendo rehashes? You are living in a DREAM world! Kinda like NiGHTS, eh? Hahahaha! Now there was a fresh concept!
Eric Jacob
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VF was the first polygon game
Star Fox. :p
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
GT3 is a technical masterpiece. Mario 64 I had played before it came out, yeah, it was called Lemmings 3D. very similar. Sorry but Mario64 was not a technical masterpiece. GT3 has mindu-numbingly realistic car settings and weather effects, etc,etc, etc!
I am not saying that GT3 was a bad game it was just the same thing over and over. Next release more cars, more tracks, prettier graphics. Oooh that is incredible. To compare Lemmings 3D to Mario 64 is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. It is obvious that you have a crippling bias against Nintendo that is preventing you from seeing that they are one of the best developers ever.
Originally posted by AlteredBeast
How many times have I beat Ganon? How many times have I beat Bowser? Mario 2 (NES) is getting re-released on GBA. WOW! that is the THIRD time we will have seen this game. SMB was rereleased 3 times. Mario Kart is getting the rerelease, same with F-Zero. You don\'t think Nintendo rehashes? You are living in a DREAM world! Kinda like NiGHTS, eh? Hahahaha! Now there was a fresh concept!
Eric Jacob
How many times have I kicked that guy in the head with my polygonal foot? How many times have I driven around in a circle? A lot more times than I have fought Ganon and Bowser. I\'ll admit that the storyline for the Mario games are almost always exactly the same, but I will do no such thing when it comes to Zelda. Albeit there are many of the same characters. It is almost a new game every time. Just like the next Mario game and the Next Zelda game will be.
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I didnt say they werent one of the best, I said they werent original. Like I said, its about physics and weather, etc in GT3. It isnt just about driving around in a circle.
I wasn\'t comparing Mario64 to Lemmings in terms of fun factor, Mario won that one easy, Mari64 isnt that technical when you add that a 3D platformer had been released already. So really Mario64 was not that technical.
Isnt the next Mario game actually a luigi game? Whoa! Nintendo is pulling a fast one on us. I bet we have to save Mario (been there) or rescue one of the many Mario World characters (done that).
Eric Jacob
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According to IGN Mario (http://ign64.ign.com/games/606.html) came out "September 26, 1996" while Lemmings 3D (http://psx.ign.com/reviews/699.html) came out May 26, 1997. What is the correlation between the two?
[EDIT] Didn\'t Lemmings have a lot of Sprites like Duke Nukem?
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You know I meant first poly fighting game. and Star Fox was no where near being the first polygon game. Virtua Racing, Hard Drivin, Slipheed, blah, blah blah, I dont really need to go on.
Eric Jacob
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It\'s no secret... Sony(aside from the 989 mishap) is the winner!
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Sorry Gohan, that date is completely wrong. It came out 10/95 in Europe and 1996 in America, both dates were ahead of Mario64. Like I said, both 3D platoformers, Lemmings was first. So Mario64 was no technical masterpiece.
TheOne = obviously joking :p
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Sorry Gohan, that date is completely wrong. It came out 10/95 in Europe and 1996 in America, both dates were ahead of Mario64. Like I said, both 3D platoformers, Lemmings was first. So Mario64 was no technical masterpiece.
TheOne = obviously joking :p
Eric Jacob
You have any proof of this?
It sounds like you are pulling this out of your ***.
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Gamefaqs.com <----
also, personal MEMORIES! I don\'t pull stuff out of my ***, if I would, I would be lying and some one would catch me. I may say somethig stupid sometimes, but that is because of personal bias or interest, not BS.
BTW, d/led the VF4 movie last night! WOW! You HAVE to see it in motion, you thought the pictures looked good, see the movie. To risk sounding gay, it is poetry in motion. And not any of that gay Robert Frost stuff either, this is like Richard Broddigan stuff.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
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also, personal MEMORIES! I don\'t pull stuff out of my ***, if I would, I would be lying and some one would catch me. I may say somethig stupid sometimes, but that is because of personal bias or interest, not BS.
I don\'t feel like arguing it anymore. Lemmings may have been first but Mario did it right and much better.
Originally posted by AlteredBeast
BTW, d/led the VF4 movie last night! WOW! You HAVE to see it in motion, you thought the pictures looked good, see the movie. To risk sounding gay, it is poetry in motion. And not any of that gay Robert Frost stuff either, this is like Richard Broddigan stuff.
Eric Jacob
I got it too. It looks really good but I hope they update the graphics a little more before it is released. I kind of like the look of Soul Caliber and TTT better. The VF4 textures seem weird.
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Both (actually all three) of those are your opinions. Personally, I dont like either of the games. Mario64 didn\'t really stick to the tried and true gameplay of Mario. You were out collecting stars, rather than coins and where were the mushrooms? I know lots of people who think Lemmings 3D was better.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Both (actually all three) of those are your opinions. Personally, I dont like either of the games. Mario64 didn\'t really stick to the tried and true gameplay of Mario. You were out collecting stars, rather than coins and where were the mushrooms? I know lots of people who think Lemmings 3D was better.
Eric Jacob
:laughing: WTF, Where are these people?
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Nintendo!
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I think Nintendo is the company that revolutionizes the industry. They do it very seldom, but it never fails.
In the N64 they only brought two revolutions:
-First: the standard non-linear collecting gameplay of Mario 64 which is now the way every 3-d plataformer is made.
-Second: Z targeting in Zelda, this has since been implemented in almost every game that has you fighting in three dimensions against multiple oponents.
But other than that they rarely do anything that would fall under innovative. They shake it up, and then the other game companies; sega, konami, capcom, sony. Take it from there.
Overall my vote would go to Sega, (although I love Konami, mmm...2 player Contra) but it\'s easy to see that many of the games from these developers would never have come along without Nintendo.
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again Lemmings 3D. and Z-Targeting? I dont know what you mean by that. Camera angles? lock on targeting? If so, Panzer Dragoon had that (1995), VF3 has that (1996), and so forth.
Sega is the most innovative. Nintendo shakes it up because their copy sells the most copies, that is why alot of games are based upon Nintendo games. Even if Nintendo\'s own game is a copy.
Eric Jacob
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Have you even played Lemmings 3D? It is NOT a platformer so why do you keep comparing it to Mario 64? Lemmings 3D is the same thing as all the other Lemmings games just in .....well, 3D. You don\'t get to control a Lemming you control a cursor and you click on the lemming and assign him a task.
Every post that you make chips away at your credibility. I wont even comment on your z targeting post. :rolleyes:
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I thought I\'d be an ass and bring back a year old thread.
BOO-YAH!!!
I still think Nintendo has the best first parties. :p
Do you guys still agree with your original posts in this thread? If you did not post in this thread who do you think has the best 1st parties?
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I made a thread similar to this a couple of days ago and I said Sony is now my current favorite developer!:D
If I had posted here a year ago, I probably would not have chosen Sony because they didn\'t start to impress me until end of last, and beginning of this year. With games like GT, J@D, TM and Ape Escape :D ( I love that game!) under there belts already and games like Getaway, Sly Cooper and Mark of Kri coming out soon you can really see a variaty in their games, games I really look forward to and know I will not be disappointed with.;)
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Wow1 That was a really long time ago :) I won that argument bitch! :)
Sega is still the best, regardless of being 1st or third party. I was spot on about Luigi having to save Mario in Luigi\'s Mansion :p
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Wow1 That was a really long time ago :) I won that argument bitch! :)
Sega is still the best, regardless of being 1st or third party. I was spot on about Luigi having to save Mario in Luigi\'s Mansion :p
Eric Jacob
HAHA, you were absolutely correct.