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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: on February 22, 2001, 03:00:52 PM
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I\'m under the impression...I could be wrong...that the games cost too much compared to what they offer. I mean look at Ominusha, Bouncer, and Starfighter. From what I heard they\'re VERY short albeit great games. With the probabilty that another super game (MGS2) will be on the short side of things don\'t you think $40-50 is too much for a game?
If you buy The Bouncer and Ominusha you\'d prob have max 15hrs gaming and it\'ll cost you approx $80! Isn\'t that too much? PC games tend to be a bit longer and more value for money....
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Final Fantasy IX was really long and that cost $40. When you buy a 12 pac of coke for let\'s say $4, that\'s $.33 a can, but when you buy it from a soda machine it usually cost $.75 - $1.00, and your only gonna drink that once! Is that fair? Life\'s tough, if you think $50 for a game is unfair, you got a tough road ahead of you, deal with it...
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aha erm oooook...
anyway what I meant isn\'t the general pricing of games. I was referring to the price of certain games you can complete in a mere 3 hrs of gameplay!! If you\'re that rich to spendd $80 on 2 games you play for 10hrs then go on....
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Yeah you do have a point but you know what? I don\'t mind them being short just as long as their not too short. Look at Mario Bro 3 on NES. I know we\'re way ahead now, but I knew how to beat the game in just about an hour and 15 minutes. Or you could go through every part of the game and beat it in 3 hours. I still think it is one of the greatest games of all time even up to now, but it was way short. What I\'m trying to say is I don\'t mind short games at all just as long as they have \'replayability\'. Without that key factor and the game being short then it is a rip off and totally not worth it.
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Trongu,
In Canada PS2 games are around 74.99 + tax EACH, and N64 games are even more expensive!
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yea i think that the prices of PS2 games are pretty decent considering the fact that i have seen PS games cost more and that they are new
but i do wish some games could be longer - but the replayability comes from playing the game to its fullest and unlocking every secret - this can take some time if you have the patientence
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Just try getting all gold medals in StarFighter and then come back and tell me it took you a mere 15 hours or so and I will call you a bald faced liar. Getting all gold medals in StarFighter is VERY tough, we\'re talking nearly impossible, but then try and do it on HARD... man, 15 hours... more like 15 weeks! (okay, maybe not that long, but it will still take a long time.)
Anyways, games nowadays have all been the same amount of length for all time. FF6 (3) was about 30-40 hours long, and it retailed for 54.99, Chrono Trigger took about 15 hours and it too was 54.99, the original Metal Gear took about 20 hours to beat (I cant remember how much it was at retail), and classic beat em ups took about 3 hours (double dragon or Final Fight anyone?) and people thought those were some of the greatest games ever and they never EVER b*tched about game length. I could easily breeze through StarFox on the SNES in 2 hours and that game cost 65 bucks when it first came out!
What is it with people and the phrase \'bang for your buck\' these days? People completely b*tched about the PS2 being 299 yet it\'s predecessor, the PSX, with half the capabilities of its sequel cost the same price yet no one b*tched about that (except maybe my mom when she bought it for me :)). Then of course we can always look at the Saturn\'s 399 launch price and be thankful that the PS2 was such a bargain when it released especially with the economies boom a mere five years later (which, oddly enough, now seems to be heading into a recession). It just baffles me that people are getting more then they ever did before, yet complain more now about costs that are cheaper then what they were when the economy was Extremely less inflated. Ugh, what is the deal here?
Sorry, that\'s my rant for the day. :)
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Originally posted by Ryu
Just try getting all gold medals in StarFighter and then come back and tell me it took you a mere 15 hours or so and I will call you a bald faced liar. Getting all gold medals in StarFighter is VERY tough, we\'re talking nearly impossible, but then try and do it on HARD... man, 15 hours... more like 15 weeks! (okay, maybe not that long, but it will still take a long time.)
Anyways, games nowadays have all been the same amount of length for all time. FF6 (3) was about 30-40 hours long, and it retailed for 54.99, Chrono Trigger took about 15 hours and it too was 54.99, the original Metal Gear took about 20 hours to beat (I cant remember how much it was at retail), and classic beat em ups took about 3 hours (double dragon or Final Fight anyone?) and people thought those were some of the greatest games ever and they never EVER b*tched about game length. I could easily breeze through StarFox on the SNES in 2 hours and that game cost 65 bucks when it first came out!
What is it with people and the phrase \'bang for your buck\' these days? People completely b*tched about the PS2 being 299 yet it\'s predecessor, the PSX, with half the capabilities of its sequel cost the same price yet no one b*tched about that (except maybe my mom when she bought it for me :)). Then of course we can always look at the Saturn\'s 399 launch price and be thankful that the PS2 was such a bargain when it released especially with the economies boom a mere five years later (which, oddly enough, now seems to be heading into a recession). It just baffles me that people are getting more then they ever did before, yet complain more now about costs that are cheaper then what they were when the economy was Extremely less inflated. Ugh, what is the deal here?
Sorry, that\'s my rant for the day. :)
BTW, Final Fantasy VI is on anthology, which I am playing now, first V(don\'t know where I am), then I\'ll move on to six, which i have heard excellent reviews. See... anthology was pretty cheap, and it packs two great games... V which had the best RPG system(give person job i.e. Knight, Ninja, Mage, Dancer, etc.) and learn your abilities from that. It may be a couple generations back but it was a great game... did people care if it costed $20, $40, or even $100, true gamers would have bought the game because that\'s the kind of game it was... if long is what you want play tetris for 3 days straight... wouldn\'t you get board of it? Besides... you have to leave room for sequels and prequels!
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I was complaining about the people who complain about the "high" price of consoles and games... I am euphoric about the price nowadays and am glad Sony entered the console industry to make sure those who wanted a monopoly had to beat a price and a standard that Sony now continues to hold. Price shmice, it\'s all the same to me as long as the game kicks ass from start to finish.
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Originally posted by Ryu
I was complaining about the people who complain about the "high" price of consoles and games... I am euphoric about the price nowadays and am glad Sony entered the console industry to make sure those who wanted a monopoly had to beat a price and a standard that Sony now continues to hold. Price shmice, it\'s all the same to me as long as the game kicks ass from start to finish.
Sorry Ryu, that was directed at Trongu... who can\'t spend a dime... j/k, BTW, I was agreeing with what you said.
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No need for apologies, it\'s all good... Anyways, back to StarFighter :P
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"I was complaining about the people who complain about the "high" price of consoles and games..." - Ryu
I know, I feel the same way. People who complain about today\'s game prices obviously don\'t remember the "Golden Age" of gaming very well. I was flipping though a few old magazines the other day, and the average price of PC games was around 50-60 dollars, and console games could easily be more expencive depending on demand. Many of those games, while fun, were very short in actuallity. Streets of Rage2 retailed at 50 bucks when it first came out, and it only has about an hour and a half of gameplay to it.
I rejoyce that at any given time, I can walk into Wal-Mart or Babbages and buy Sony, Nintendo, Sega, and PC games for around 50 to 20 bucks... sometimes even down around five bucks a game if they weren\'t selling well. It was never like this before Sony entered the market and began their "price wars". I\'m just glad other game companies have learned from the example and lowered their prices too. There were times I wanted to retch after seeing the price tag of a N64 game when it was first released.
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I agree with Ryu and SonyFan here.
I have never complained about the longetivity, except I always hope a game to be long. But, Metal Gear Solid for example, was quite short. BUT it was pure enjoyment every minute. If it had been longer, it might have become dull and lacked in ideas. It\'s a short package full of perfectness, and that is just enough for me :)
Glad you mentioned Starfox, Ryu. You could complete it in merely few hours, but it is very hard game. Don\'t come and tell me that you waved it trough the first go. No no no. It takes months to play it trough ( or at least it took me :) ).
Final Fantasy IX is long. I know it. And it isn\'t so hard; I mean, so impossible you\'d be stuck in one part for long. Still, I think it\'s a classic. It\'s about the freedom in the game. You can stretch the game-play hours to 100+ if you want. Just try to level up in collector status and hunt all the treasures with Chocobo.
I once played Super Mario Kart to death. Yes, I played it trough. So what? The game was full of replayability. You could race it trough in about 1 hour, but something still kept you playing. Even if you were perfect in the game and won all the time. This magic is what I\'m searching from the games, not the longetivity of one go.
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Fair enough. Third run through on Star Fox was the shortest, but it took about 3-4 hours MAX on my first try. I\'m not saying it\'s short, just by todays "standards," supposedly, it is. However, the value of a title lies within its fun and its replay value. I find that if a game is short, a\'la Star Fox, yet makes you want to experience it again the next day after beating it, the buy was more then worth it. People spend 40 dollars on fat DVD special editions of movies that you are only supposed to watch once... I guess people are spending the money for more then one view :)
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If people are complaining about PS2\'s very reasonable $299 price tag wait until they get a look at the $400 Xbox with no broadband or DVD out of the box. Are they really going to charge that much just because of the HDD?
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LOL at gohan,nice try putting down the xbox.to bad it isn\'t true. Mabye the broadband is still included. just 56k will be there too. either way XBoX HAS ONLINE INCLUDED unlike ps2.
mabye in japan they have atrain online. Whens it coming to america. So don\'t put down something tyou don\'t got either and ps2s almost a year old.
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Hmmm ok maybe i wasn\'t understood then. I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GENERAL HIGH PRICES OF GAMES. What I meant is that some of the great games which came out for PS2 this time of year are too short. The referal of OneBillyGun to FFIX actually proves my point. I could pay $40 to play an incredible game like FFIX for 40hrs, then pay another $40 to play The Bouncer or Ominusha (which may or may not be as good as FFIX) for 1/10 of that time! That, you must agree, is different value for money.
The pricing of games for me is OK, what I\'m complaining about is the length of some of the games which might make the money I spend unworthwile. 3hrs, 5hrs, or whatever to complete a game is much different than those 40 long but very interesting hours of FFIX.
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I completed Onimusha in 2:44. Some have completed it in just over 2hrs. But I still like the game.
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Originally posted by jaggies
LOL at gohan,nice try putting down the xbox.to bad it isn\'t true. Mabye the broadband is still included. just 56k will be there too. either way XBoX HAS ONLINE INCLUDED unlike ps2.
mabye in japan they have atrain online. Whens it coming to america. So don\'t put down something tyou don\'t got either and ps2s almost a year old.
What are you talking about? I wasn\'t trying to put the Xbox down. I was only commenting about the people complaining about PS2s price because the Xbox is most likely going to be $100 more. They will be pissed because all of the cool features are extra and have to be bought later. Don\'t get your panties in a bunch, not all comments are anti Microsoft and not everyone here is a Xbox basher. I will probably have an Xbox before you.
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YEp...games could have been better.
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Originally posted by Trongu
Hmmm ok maybe i wasn\'t understood then. I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GENERAL HIGH PRICES OF GAMES. What I meant is that some of the great games which came out for PS2 this time of year are too short. The referal of OneBillyGun to FFIX actually proves my point. I could pay $40 to play an incredible game like FFIX for 40hrs, then pay another $40 to play The Bouncer or Ominusha (which may or may not be as good as FFIX) for 1/10 of that time! That, you must agree, is different value for money.
The pricing of games for me is OK, what I\'m complaining about is the length of some of the games which might make the money I spend unworthwile. 3hrs, 5hrs, or whatever to complete a game is much different than those 40 long but very interesting hours of FFIX.
Come on, length of RPG\'s in comparison to the length of a game that takes 5-20 hours to beat? Think about it for a second, if Resident Evil took 50 hours to beat like RPG\'s, people would get REALLY bored of it. The fact that people liked it is because they can go through it several times with different characters in a relatively short amount of time (about 5 hours or so). Imagine the Bouncer, most people reported the game to get really repetetive really fast much like old beat\'em-ups on the golden-age 16-bit consoles, but thankfully, the game is only 2 hours long so it\'s not too much of a daunting task to play it for 50-60 hours just to beat the damn thing. Yet still, most people praise it\'s 4-player multiplayer and the quest mode and besides that, there\'s 4 characters to go through the game with for up to 20 hours of play on a game that takes about 2 hours to beat.
All games can be long or short, but replay value along with it\'s pure genius to want to make you play it again is what keeps people coming back. I sure as hell didn\'t want to play FFIX again after I beat it and that took about 40 hours or so, but I\'ve played MGS for a total of about 100+ hours multiple times and the game still isn\'t boring even with it\'s 10-12 hours in length. You see, it\'s all about what you prefer and what appeals to you as far as length goes. Fighters take about 30 minutes to beat, but the fact that there\'s multiple characters, VS modes, team battle modes, and tons of secrets to keep players coming back, you easily clock about 50 hours or so playing them.
Point is, most people think games nowadays are too short, but think about what you\'re playing the game for. Did you buy it just to see the story and then the ending? Did you buy it so you and your friends have a game to play on weekends? Did you buy it because the graphics looked cool and later *****ed about it cause it was too short? Just think about it for a second and realize game length is only relevant to specific genres. RPG\'s take about 20-40 hours to beat while fighters can be played for anywhere from 20-100 hours, sports games can take 100 hours as well with multiplayer and action games can take anywhere from 2-20 hours of play time. Just think about what tpe of game you are playing and then finally beat the game and then decide if you\'d really like to continue playing it for the amount of time it takes to beat RPG\'s and trust me, you\'ll be glad it\'s as long as it is.
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Think about Timesplitters for example. You may complete the story mode in 5 to 10 hours ( on all difficulties ) but that doesn\'t mean the game\'s over. You can always improve the times you\'ve completed the levels...
But then there\'s the multiplayer, wich promises unlimited gameplay-time. You can play from 10-1000 hours if you fall in love with the multiplayer game.
This does happen. :)
I completely agree with ryu. I think here\'s not much to add anymore, so I won\'t even try.
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If you play a good game and after only 3 hrs (!) it gets boring or repetitive then i\'m sorry, i don\'t agree, they should have made it more intersting. COme on, think about it , buying a game at 9 am then start playing it at 10 and till lunch time you complete the friggin game. Is that worth $40 of your hard earned money??!! No it\'s not. Maybe you\'re that rich that you can buy a game every week or so but most people aren\'t like that and they think carefully all the pros and cons a game has...and a 3hr length is a very big CON according to me.
Just realise the absurdity of what this is......and over here games cost $80 just like the PS2 costing $700. I\'m not throwing away $80 for 3 hrs of good enjoyment when I can spend them on a 20 hr game or $6 on a 3hr film.
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Originally posted by Trongu
If you play a good game and after only 3 hrs (!) it gets boring or repetitive then i\'m sorry, i don\'t agree, they should have made it more intersting. COme on, think about it , buying a game at 9 am then start playing it at 10 and till lunch time you complete the friggin game. Is that worth $40 of your hard earned money??!! No it\'s not. Maybe you\'re that rich that you can buy a game every week or so but most people aren\'t like that and they think carefully all the pros and cons a game has...and a 3hr length is a very big CON according to me.
Just realise the absurdity of what this is......and over here games cost $80 just like the PS2 costing $700. I\'m not throwing away $80 for 3 hrs of good enjoyment when I can spend them on a 20 hr game or $6 on a 3hr film.
I hear you man. It\'s definatly a problem. I mean, come on, 2-5 hours to beat a game? That\'s not much. And certainly not at $50 a piece.
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Finally! Someone agreeing that all this is absurd...
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But I can wait to play it. I will have the store copy this weekend so I can finish it before I take it back on tues.:D:D
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