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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: BizioEE on February 24, 2001, 12:05:56 PM
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I can\'t wait for the PS2 Version!!!!!
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This game looks cool! I hope Namco release some news about Tekken 4 and Soul Caliber 2. I want these games ten times more than VF4!
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I cant wait for this game. i love virta fighter . but i like tekken even better.
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Tekken is a classic! I can still remember trying to remember all the cool combos with Law, trying to beat my older brother in Tekken 2!
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Yeah, Tekken 2 had it\'s moments even though my brother was better than I was then, and I lost a lot more than I won. I hope Namco brings back King\'s stage from Tekken 2 (the Cathedral stage). That level is aguably the best stage in any Tekken game.
Even though I have never been a VF fan, I will probably get this game for the PS2 when it comes out. I am starting to try out all fighting games, not just Tekken, MK, and Street Fighter. I am even starting to love DOA2:HC.
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now, in the PS2, there is a war, a fighting games war: SC2, Tekken 4, DOA2, Bloody2, VF4... never one console had had many games like these... who will win?
Tekken 4?
SC2?
VF4?
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Let\'s Turn this into a Tekken thread! Yay! Or, we could stay on topic? that sounds good. Virtua FIghter 4 WILL open your eyes. The reason none of you are VF fans, is because you have always bought the popular consoles, and never the Sega consoles. When my reign of terror comes out in the form of VF4, you will all bow down and ask for forgiveness from the gaming gods for ignoring this series for so long!
to Namco: Good Luck, you are going to need it, especailly in Japan, where VF was on the arcade charts for 3 years stragiht. hahahaha! :)
10 MILLION POLYGONS!
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Let\'s Turn this into a Tekken thread! Yay! Or, we could stay on topic? that sounds good. Virtua FIghter 4 WILL open your eyes. The reason none of you are VF fans, is because you have always bought the popular consoles, and never the Sega consoles.
Eric Jacob
What ?????? what was the popular console before the PSX.... How do you know VF is going to be better then TT or Soul Caliber, it couls be just your personal opinion that anything Sega makes is better than anyone elses attepts.
I mean Sega is pretty good, but They aren\'t that great they dwarf everyone else, in fact lots of people still refer lots of games over Sega games, and no that doesn\'t make them biased, or non hardcore or casual.
So stop getting bent out of shape, or being dellusioned into thinking everyone who games has to think Sega is god.
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Virtua FIghter 4 WILL open your eyes. The reason none of you are VF fans, is because you have always bought the popular consoles, and never the Sega consoles. When my reign of terror comes out in the form of VF4, you will all bow down and ask for forgiveness from the gaming gods for ignoring this series for so long!
We cant find many Saturn owners that are TEKKEN fans either.People buy the games for the console they own and these games are the most sure to like and prefer.Its plain logic.
What do you expect from a Saturn/PS owner?Do you expect them to be a big fan of Tekken/VF?
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Originally posted by IronFist
Yeah, Tekken 2 had it\'s moments even though my brother was better than I was then, and I lost a lot more than I won. I hope Namco brings back King\'s stage from Tekken 2 (the Cathedral stage). That level is aguably the best stage in any Tekken game.
Even though I have never been a VF fan, I will probably get this game for the PS2 when it comes out. I am starting to try out all fighting games, not just Tekken, MK, and Street Fighter. I am even starting to love DOA2:HC.
me too, I\'m starting to like mvsc aqnd snkvsc allot these days, I\'m also playing DOA2. I\'ll give VF a try! ;)
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[pissed ON]
Ok if i see i more moron say people play TEKKEN because there a FANBOY of a popular console. So therefore they brought TEKKEN because it\'s a popular game. I\'m gonna grab a F\'N baseball bat. Track down the dumbarse and ..... You know the rest.
People Buy GAMES because they LIKE a game. If tekken is more popular it\'s not because people brought psx. If people LOVE VF so much it\'s not hard to get a saturn and buy the game for it.
I would have brought a saturn for VF2. But i got a DC with VF3.
This. Tekken is more popular because people that brought psx are just fanboys and follow everyone else crap. Is so lame it\'s not funny.
Grow the F@#K up.
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So, How is everyone, today. Those screens look wicked. Gonna be a great game. :D
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I\'m a fan of all fighting games... I bought DOA2 over TTT...
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I stand by my opinion. People like Tekken more because you CAN just pick up and play it and beat the game, or beat other people. VF is a tad* more complex and at a slower pace. Tekken had alot of visibility through PSX so it is obviously the more popular game.
The reason I belive VF is more fun is it has ORIGINALITY. byt the time I played Tekken, I had been playing VF for a year and a half. I had seen it, and went back to VF. You pretty much stated my opinion, ddaryl. Anything Sega does, they do it better. Mainly because they do it first, or if not,t hey do it better, adding substance over style.
Eric Jacob
*Of course this is all my opinion. It just seems, like now, that every thread goes off topic. :p
Eric Jacob
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It\'s fine as your opinion.. But u make it sound like your speaking as if it\'s fact. Personaly. I like namco games better.
I rather Time Crisis over Virtual cop.
Tekken over Virtual Fighter
But i rather Daytona over Ridge Racer.
I like Namco fighters alot more then segas.
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Yup, my opinions. Which is why I like VC over TC. It came out WAY before. Or VF to Tekken, or Daytona or VR over RR. I played them first and was attached, which is what most of these people have with Tekken, they never got the opportunity to play it, since Saturn died so quickly, they now will be able to it, and hopefully it will open a new market in America. As VF\'s have never sold well.
you mean you like TTT more than Eternal Champions? You\'re Crazy!! :)
Eric Jacob
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you like VF over Tekken. Your crazy :rolleyes:
you like VC over TC Your crazy :rolleyes:
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I will add my opinion now so brace yourselves:D
Ok 2D fighters like Street fighter win hands down but between the 3d fighters I would say that although I prefer Tekken I think that DOA2 and VF are more in depth fighters which offer you more freedom around the arena\'s, you can also use the surroundings to do moves offering a new angle of strategy. Namco\'s fighters never really took 3d fighters past the initial sidestep, plain arena. Soul Calibur is fun and I own it but It\'s a button mashes paradise and the arena\'s are boring it\'s really just a show off game with flashy moves, soul blade was much better. Now Tekken was very good and so was no. 2 but I feel no. 3 was quite silly with the kangaroo and bear and the added characters were similiar to another fighter like soul calibur was. VF and DOA2 don\'t have a huge amount of characters because they are unique and control very different. TTT was the same as Tekken 3 but the tag option added more fun with friends and it never played a big part moves wise were as DOA2 the tag option adds new moves to the fight and more strategy. I think DOA2 wins in the indepth department and TTT wins in the fun department because of the more interesting characters and easier to pick up controlls. Tekken 3 and TTT do offer depth but beyond the throws and combos there isn\'t much, there\'s no using surrounding areas(VF3) or tag options(DOA2).
Don\'t give me that if it aint broke don\'t fix it crap because VF2 was great but SEGA took VF3 to a new level and they seem to be doing it with part 4 as well. I don\'t hear any VF fans complaining about the changes either. Tekken 4 needs to offer something new because although the Tekken games are my favourite 3D fighters I am thinking of dropping it in favour of VF4 and DOA2. I think go back to Tekken2 but add in interactive backgrounds to add that new angle of strategy and moves. Feel free to critise my opinion because I am not trying to convert anyone just speaking what I think.:)
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"now, in the PS2, there is a war, a fighting games war: SC2, Tekken 4, DOA2, Bloody2, VF4... never one console had had many games like these... who will win?"
DC isn\'t even dead and already you\'ve forgotten it?
M v C 1 & 2? SF Alpha 3? SF III 1 & 2? DOA 2? VF 3? K of F 99 & Evolution? Cap vs SNK? Rival Schools? Guilty Gear X? UFC? Soul Calibur?
The list goes on.
I\'ll take 2-D over 3-D any day.
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Originally posted by Adan
now, in the PS2, there is a war, a fighting games war: SC2, Tekken 4, DOA2, Bloody3, VF4... never one console had had many games like these... who will win?
Tekken 4?
SC2?
VF4?
...and you forget Dead or Alive 3! :)
I read that Top development Team Ninja is splitting into two divisions, both overseen by Dead or Alive mastermind Tomonobu Itagaki. One team will be working on Ninja Gaiden, still some distance away -- the other is working on Dead or Alive 3, which is set to make a splash at the big game shows in the first half of this year! :D
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wow are those actualy character models from the game, man with this tekken 4, and soul calibur 2 ps2 is becomin a fighting machine, now the question is which of the three should i get?
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SG, but one need to keep in mind the fact that a LOT more people were exposed to Tekken Because of the PSX\'s overwhelming domintation of the 32 bit era While VF was kept in the shadow by the saturn\'s underwhelming performance.
I am sure that a lot more people would be more open to the VF series if only they had experienced it.
I\'m not saying that tekken players are fanboys, but a lot of them became tekken players because of a lack of choice: They had a playstation and not a saturn so they went for the biggest and best fighting game the platform had. that just happened to be tekken.
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Ashford = completely correct. you want fighting games, I guess you werent looking inthe right place :)
DreamStationBoxCube - I am kinda complaining that they are taking my Evade button away and going back to VF2 and VF. But oh well, I also hoep they do the learning AI like they did in VF2! That was awesome! Never a dull moment playing hard with learning AI on, I havent seen anything as smart as that since, well, that.I guess they are doing eroding surfaces, thats awesome sounding!
Eric Jacob
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yea even though the game looks great i was never much of a VF fan - but i will give it a test drive
i did the same with DOA2 and i think that game is just as good if not better than tekken tag
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Don\'t give me that if it aint broke don\'t fix it crap because VF2 was great but SEGA took VF3 to a new level and they seem to be doing it with part 4 as well. I don\'t hear any VF fans complaining about the changes either.
If it aint broke dont fix it.Do you know why I say that?Because TEKKEN1\'s gameplay won over VF1 Tekken2 Won VF2.Then Sega wanted to revolutionise their fighting game by adding 3D backrounds ans sidestepping.Then Tekken3 comes.Introducing a better variety of characters more moves faster and ofcourse a very nice sidestepping(If it aint broke dont fix it) and it prooved a winner.
Again Sega wants to take back the crown of the best fighting game and so whatever it was broken they got rid of it.No sidestepping my friend and the arenas are like Soul Calibur\'s.They ve changed a lot of things.
It was broken and they fixed it using elements form other fighting games\' if it aint broke dont fix it.
Small sammury:VF needed fixing thats why it had changed a lot
Oh and TTT not only has the Tag mode but they have added new moves,twicked a bit the tactics,made some small changes to the characters so for example Bruce wouldnt feel the same as Bryan etc.Hey Baek is almost completely different from Howarang.
And dont forget Pai and Lau are similar and Jacky and Sarah are similar.
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Unicron, please, dont.
Your ack of playing any of the games in depth (obviously) shows your ignorance. Jacky and Sarah are not close at all in their fighting styles. In fact, Pai and Lau are completely different. I am not just talking about moves either, which are totally different, I am talking about how you should play with the characters.
I could argue that Tekkens limited move list and combos severely limit the playability, but of course, that is my opinion (and it is) just as your opinion is. Let\'s just not judge it without playing it. Who knows, we may see Tekken copy VF (as it always does) and take away the side-stepping buttons! hahaha
BTW, adding hidden and extra modes does not make the game any better! It just shows the hollowness of the gameplay. Substance over style.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
BTW, adding hidden and extra modes does not make the game any better! It just shows the hollowness of the gameplay. Substance over style.
Eric Jacob
WOW, For once I agree with AlteredBeast.
IMO, VF could have used some hidden and extra modes too. The developers realised that it is a fighting game and that it could get stagnant after a while so they need something to give the game replay value. BTW, Just because VF3 had a s#itload of moves doesn\'t make it an incredibly deep fighter.
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Your ack of playing any of the games in depth (obviously) shows your ignorance. Jacky and Sarah are not close at all in their fighting styles. In fact, Pai and Lau are completely different. I am not just talking about moves either, which are totally different,I am talking about how you should play with the characters.
Gotcha.You see Tekken has many similar characters but different tactics too.But lets take some similar characters and compare them.
Law-Lee(Those 2 are almost different)
Kuma-Jack
Baek-Howarang
Heihachi-Jin
etc.
Try to use them those characters and you will see each one has different tactics from its \'clone\'.
Lets also take the completely defferent kinds of styles.
Michelle,Jin,Xiaoyou,Jack,Law,Howarang,Bryan,Nina,Paul,Yoshimitsu,Eddy,Lei.
Hmm 12 different styles.How much players did VF3 have?
I could argue that Tekkens limited move list and combos severely limit the playability,
Try count\'em in Parctice mode.They are many.And some of them arent even included in the command option.
Who knows, we may see Tekken copy VF (as it always does) and take away the side-stepping buttons! hahaha
Ehm.If it copied VF we would have seen RING OUTS and interactive backrounds too.But they havent added those.If Tekken3 had interactive backrounds VF fans would start saying "OOOOOHH take a look at Tekken that fanboy\'s fighter.It even copied VF3\'s idea".But it hasnt.Now people prefer DOA2 and VF3 because Tekken has non interactive backrounds?Look below.
Ok 2D fighters like Street fighter win hands down but between the 3d fighters I would say that although I prefer Tekken I think that DOA2 and VF are more in depth fighters which offer you more freedom around the arena\'s, you can also use the surroundings to do moves offering a new angle of strategy.
Hmm.VF4 doesnt have this feature now.
Now Tekken was very good and so was no. 2 but I feel no. 3 was quite silly with the kangaroo and bear and the added characters were similiar to another fighter like soul calibur was
There are also some VF fans that havent playied tekken enough either(I dont know if you are one of those).Proof above.Tekken3\'s characters were less similar than Tekken2 and Kangaroo was only in tekken2 not tekken3.The dude above says "no. 3 was quite silly with the kangaroo and bear[/b] and the added characters were similiar". Huh?
Last 2 quotes are by Dreamstationxbox or something
By Irvin
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hmm, no. VF3 has been around since Tekken 2. VF3 has tactics based on if someone is in a higher level on the snow, sand, or on a different level entirely. You have to use them to your advantage and change they way you play based on that.
BTW, VF only shows about 20 moves for each character in the manual. But I recently printed out a move list for Kage and I believe it was 17 or 26 pages long. One or the other was Lion. 26 pages moves and combos, just moves and combos.
Eric Jacob
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:D
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hmm, no. VF3 has been around since Tekken 2. VF3 has tactics based on if someone is in a higher level on the snow, sand, or on a different level entirely. You have to use them to your advantage and change they way you play based on that.
Are you refering at me?If you are on which part of my post are you arguing?
BTW, VF only shows about 20 moves for each character in the manual. But I recently printed out a move list for Kage and I believe it was 17 or 26 pages long. One or the other was Lion. 26 pages moves and combos, just moves and combos.
Have you playied fighters megamix?Damn.This game shows each characters every single move.A very very very big list.
But the same counts for Tekken in terms of variety in moves.
By the way some of the moves listed in fighters megamix are listed again in compo moves.Propably thats why the list is so big.
Both fighters have a ton of moves nevertheless
Posted by me
Try count\'em in Parctice mode.They are many.And some of them arent even included in the command option.
I wasnt comparing VF move list with Tekken\'s here.I was just proving that Tekken has lots of moves.
I am starting to like the disgussion:).No flaming but civilized
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"If it aint broke dont fix it.Do you know why I say that?Because TEKKEN1\'s gameplay won over VF1 Tekken2 Won VF2."
Hmmm, didn\'t keep up with Japan? I did and found something very interesting. VF2 stayed at the TOP of the Japanese arcade charts for over a year. Tekken wasn\'t even listed in the Top 10.
"Then Tekken 3 comes.Introducing a better variety of characters"
"Gotcha.You see Tekken has many similar characters but different tactics too.But lets take some similar characters and compare them.
Law-Lee(Those 2 are almost different)
Kuma-Jack
Baek-Howarang
Heihachi-Jin
etc.
Try to use them those characters and you will see each one has different tactics from its \'clone\'."
Make up your mind. Does Tekken have a wide variety or clones?
The answer is obvious. CLONES!!! Let\'s do the math.
Sub-Bosses: Good idea, lame execution. What\'s with all the similar moves? Renaming a character and re-drawing him, all of a sudden, you count that as a new character? Yes, they do have some different moves. But it still shows Namco\'s laziness and/or cheap tactic to show their "variety".
Take Tekken 3. 2 new characters, a whole load of clones. Please don\'t tell me Bryan, Ogre, Julia, Gun Jack, Jin, and Forest are "new". Same fighters, new names, new look. Yes, those are new moves. But that\'s to be expected from a sequel. Why couldn\'t Namco just call them Bruce, Mr. What The Hell Am I/Flashy Moves All Combined Into One #1 & #2, Michelle, Jack, Jun/Kazuya, and Law? I think Ogre is the lamest boss in the history of fighters. I don\'t think he has any moves not taken from another fighter, except maybe one or two.
Don\'t think I don\'t like Tekken. I actually enjoy it a lot more than VF.
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In a recent interview with Coremagazine, Yu Suzuki, often compared at the same level as gaming god, Hideo Kojima, gave his latest details on Virtua Fighter 4 for the arcades and which will be later ported to the PS2.
Here is what Mr. Suzuki had to say regarding Virtua Fighter 4: "The stages will be far more complex and interactive this time. Depending upon how hard you hit your opponents, walls can collapse. Outside you can leave trails in the snow, and some stages will change altogether in realtime. Moreover the visuals will be presented differently through better use of the camera. We\'re planning to take advantage of the Naomi2 to fully express characters. Not only are the costumes and backgrounds being refined, but the character models themselves. Everything from hair movement to the way muscles constrict and throb during battle."
I can\'t wait!
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Hmmm, didn\'t keep up with Japan? I did and found something very interesting. VF2 stayed at the TOP of the Japanese arcade charts for over a year. Tekken wasn\'t even listed in the Top 10.
I am gladly accepting information I havent known before:)
But as a general Tekken was more accepted worldwide.In japan VF was rightfully IMO listed in the TOP10 as it is a great game.
Make up your mind. Does Tekken have a wide variety or clones?
a variety of \'clones\'.Notice the \'...\'
The answer is obvious. CLONES!!! Let\'s do the math.
Sub-Bosses: Good idea, lame execution. What\'s with all the similar moves? Renaming a character and re-drawing him, all of a sudden, you count that as a new character? Yes, they do have some different moves. But it still shows Namco\'s laziness and/or cheap tactic to show their "variety".
I have to admit.Namco was lazy with some sub-bosses.But there were also many that differed a lot ffom others.Bruce,Lee(Not to be confused with Bruce Lee:D),GunRyu,Baek/Jun(In some arcades Sub boss was Jun and in some Baek) were very different from main characters.
p-Jack and Jack were very very similar though as well as NIna and Anna.
But Kuma although he has some of Jacks moves he plays differently.
Take Tekken 3. 2 new characters, a whole load of clones. Please don\'t tell me Bryan, Ogre, Julia, Gun Jack, Jin, and Forest are "new". Same fighters, new names, new look. Yes, those are new moves. But that\'s to be expected from a sequel. Why couldn\'t Namco just call them Bruce, Mr. What The Hell Am I/Flashy Moves All Combined Into One #1 & #2, Michelle, Jack, Jun/Kazuya, and Law? I think Ogre is the lamest boss in the history of fighters. I don\'t think he has any moves not taken from another fighter, except maybe one or two.
Hey you cant put Tekken3 and Tekken2 in the same category.Bryan,Julia, Gun Jack, Jin, and Law were never ment to be new characters.
They just playied a role in Tekken\'e story thats why they were different.
Namco did a great job with them though.They ve made them so much evolved they playied very different from Tekken2.Epsecially Bryan and Jin.
Howarang,Xiaoyou,Eddy were completely new.
Comparing VF3 to Tekken3 Namco evolved characters and their controls much more than what Sega did with VF3.
Dural stills many moves from the main characters too.Its not just Ogre.
Ogre\'s moves are mostly taken from Tekken2.So Ogre is a mixed Tekken2 fighter that plays differently from other Tekken3 characters.
All complains like clones,similar moves,unbalanced power moves etc were very fixed in TTT.Which I dont take as a Tekken3 with a tag mode.There was an article from an interview with namco here at PS2xcentral about TTT.Its very interesting and highlights the differences of previous tekkens and TTT.
Don\'t think I don\'t like Tekken. I actually enjoy it a lot more than VF.
I enjoy both a lot:)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
In a recent interview with Coremagazine, Yu Suzuki, often compared at the same level as gaming god, Hideo Kojima, gave his latest details on Virtua Fighter 4 for the arcades and which will be later ported to the PS2.
Here is what Mr. Suzuki had to say regarding Virtua Fighter 4: "The stages will be far more complex and interactive this time. Depending upon how hard you hit your opponents, walls can collapse. Outside you can leave trails in the snow, and some stages will change altogether in realtime. Moreover the visuals will be presented differently through better use of the camera. We\'re planning to take advantage of the Naomi2 to fully express characters. Not only are the costumes and backgrounds being refined, but the character models themselves. Everything from hair movement to the way muscles constrict and throb during battle."
I can\'t wait!
How dare they compare Suzuki-san to Kojima. Besides Metal Gear, what else has Kojima done that\'s worth mentioning? I\'m asking because I really don\'t know, not cause of sarcasm or spite.
Shouldn\'t it be the other way around? Suzuki has defined, invented, or created the benchmark in many different genres. What kinda comparison is this? It should be Miyamoto/Suzuki/Naka. 3 Top Minds In Gaming!!!
Kojima should be compared with Mikami.