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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Kituka on February 24, 2001, 01:05:29 PM
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http://www.gamecube.f2s.com/cm1.htm
Got to give credit where it\'s due- I got the link from a post by NatronicZ at the dailyradar.com forums.
$150, no delay, GBA too. @$#% @#$#^@ #%%@ #^@^@# %$#@ #@!$% #%@^ #%# @^#& @@&&@!!!!!!!
17,800 Yen is roughly $153 greenbacks, folks!!!
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Smart move for Nintendo. Very smart.
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The link is not working for me.
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Wow thats awesome.. too bad the game will be about the same price. (cause they\'re using mini disks)
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Originally posted by FackinKubuss
Wow thats awesome.. too bad the game will be about the same price. (cause they\'re using mini disks)
Mini-disk can be produced for the same amount-if not less then the average DVD. Just because it is a propeirty (spell check) format, it doesn\'t mean it will cost much. Remember, Sega used GD-ROMs and the games was at most $50 dollars. Expect GameCube games to be the same price as DC games or the average PS2 game.
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What the hell is http://www.gamecube.f2s.com/ ? That\'s not an official site, and I doubt that\'s an official poster - release in July?
Ok, wait a sec, I\'m confused now.
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Damn. I had like $600 set aside to import this thing! WHOOPEEEEEEEEE
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i don´t think that... a console costs much... and the link doesn´t work!!
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It\'s a link to a GC poster, but the site that the pic is on is not the official nintendo site, and I haven\'t heard anything along these lines at DR or IGN.
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Yea is this true? If it is, Keep in mind that\'s the Japanese price. The PS2 in Japan cost somewhere around $370 at launch, but $300 here in US. Could it possibly be $99 when launched overseas?
And to everyone who doubted me when I said the price could get as low as $99 - $149, saying that it would at least cost $250: I TOLD YOU SO!!!
Note: If the posted link turns out to be false then please disregard everything above. :)
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Ok, now the odds of me getting a GC have gone up 25%, good work Nintendo. I just hope you don\'t lose a lot of money doing this.
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That is an official GameCube site everyone. Its just as official as Nintendo.com.
But I\'ll wait for more confirmation before I get my hopes up. If this is true then great. Xbox won\'t dominate **** when NGC has a price tag of 150!!! :D
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What\'s bigger: DVD or Mini-disc?
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I\'m really proud of nintendo...it looks as if they might have this thing down--a true return to gaming.. a revolution of sorts-- a revolution of returning to the days where gaming was fun regardless of graphics...where simplicity took the stage...and where all this good fun was usually pretty cheap...Good work Nintendo!
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the disks for the gamecube are 8 cm disks, and ninteno gets a hefty commission for each one
launch in july? i highly doubt it, but then again, nintendo is desperate
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Originally posted by rog27
I\'m really proud of nintendo...it looks as if they might have this thing down--a true return to gaming.. a revolution of sorts-- a revolution of returning to the days where gaming was fun regardless of graphics...where simplicity took the stage...and where all this good fun was usually pretty cheap...Good work Nintendo!
Give me a break... A true return to gaming, or a true return to what you personnaly prefer. I\'m having no problems looking forward to alot of games coming out on other systems besides Nintendo
and Nintendo is not returning to anything, the GC is all about Graphics, just ask any diehard Nintendo fan. The only reason graphics didn\'t matter in the 80\'s and early 90\'s was because there wasn\'t much difference between bad looking games and great looking games. These days the difference is very obvious. I don\'t know about you but to me a great game immerses me into a world full of graphical goodness, as well as great gameplay, and Great sound, hence AAA games
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the GC is all about Graphics
HA! Then why would they make the thing so easy to program for? Not because of the graphics, but to give developers the chance to do their ideas on the systems with no problems, kind like the anti-PS2! :laughing: Really, don\'t make bias statements like that without any facts to back you up.
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Jumpman
I\'m trying to understand what it is you are saying. Ease of programming has what to do with the fact that GC is every single bit about great graphics as the hard to program for PS2, or the easy to program for Xbox.
Do you honestly believe GC will have a larger library of better overall games cause of ease of development, or because you personally prefer Nintendo games. I see the PS2 having a very large library of great games on its hard to program for system over its life.
So maybe you should actually use your brain just a little before trying to pretend to have some kind of point
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Originally posted by Kituka
http://www.gamecube.f2s.com/cm1.htm
Got to give credit where it\'s due- I got the link from a post by NatronicZ at the dailyradar.com forums.
$150, no delay, GBA too. @$#% @#$#^@ #%%@ #^@^@# %$#@ #@!$% #%@^ #%# @^#& @@&&@!!!!!!!
17,800 Yen is roughly $153 greenbacks, folks!!!
Hmmm let me see they are going to seel it at around $150 at launch day, and they want to make a profit ?
has anyone else got the same nagging fealing that it is going to cost more for Nintendo to makethem that to sell them, i mean look at the Dreamcast and now the PS2
both of these have problems when it comes to return\'s , in fact this was one of the major problems with the Dreamcast, poor Sega where making a loss on just about every system.
it would me finanical suiside for Nintendo to do a stunt like that, ok if they REALY are going to sell it at this price.
what are they going to play the workers that make them
and what about the middle man ?
For example a Electrical Good of this standard will be Sold around the $300 mark, anything less and nintendo would be better of leaveing the R&D keys to SONY and Microsoft.
Oh what a min\' there must be a catch of some kind if it is TRUE, maybe it will be the world first PAY per Play Console ?
i don\'t see a console as advanced as the Gamecube being sold at this low price, unless they do one of the following.
1) Build them in Sweat shops in a 3rd world country
2) Go to the Japannese Goverment for a Very Very Very Large loan
3) Go the the Mafia and get them to "get it sorted".
4) Get the Buyers to make them when they want to buy it.
5) they will make the games cost $100 a shot.
6) Devalue the Global curreny\'s when producing and rasie them for launh day.
Sorry i am not falling for the obvious April Fool, looks like someone at Nintendo is soo hard worked that the still don\'t know it\'s FEBUARY 2001.:laughing:.
P.S.
that Link is Papped !
please fix it !
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of course Nintendo is going to sell them at a loss. The GC more then likely cost considerably less then the PS2 did at its launch to make and less then the Xbox and its HD?Ethernet adapter, 64mb\'s of ram machine
Xbox is being made in Mexico and Hungary I believe, but I doubt Nintenod will need to go to a 3rd world country to make them
They\'ll make there money back on games and periphials like everyone else, there have been rumors that GC games will cost more then other machine to help off set the low cost of the machine. But no facts on that one yet.
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Nope sorry i am still not falling for it, if they are going to make a move like that they are either...
a) Trying to hype it up (to out do the PS2 and X box)
b) Trying to cover something bad up ( Lack of support or other problems)
c) Make the consoles value worthless ( remeber all technology depreciates in value, so dose this mean in a years time you can pick up a second hand one up for $50 ?)
If you ask me if they do sell it at this value them they real do deserve it if the Stuff realy hits the FAN.
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The link works fine for me, but the pic he posts is not very concrete . Think about it, PS2 in Japan is worth $400 , but as it turned out, PS2 in the U.S. is $300. So we just need to wait for the official word.
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Originally posted by ooseven
Nope sorry i am still not falling for it, if they are going to make a move like that they are either...
a) Trying to hype it up (to out do the PS2 and X box)
b) Trying to cover something bad up ( Lack of support or other problems)
c) Make the consoles value worthless ( remeber all technology depreciates in value, so dose this mean in a years time you can pick up a second hand one up for $50 ?)
If you ask me if they do sell it at this value them they real do deserve it if the Stuff realy hits the FAN.
or maybe there primariy target audiences parents can\'t or won\'t pay for a $250 + machine
Not to mention Nintendo is raking in tons of money from GBC, and Pokemon, so they can afford to take the loss early on like the other 2 big players...
Notice Sega was and is the only one who couldn\'t afford to but tried anyways and thats why they failed with the DC
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Do you honestly believe GC will have a larger library of better overall games cause of ease of development, or because you personally prefer Nintendo games.
Actually, I honestly do and the same thing applies for the Xbox as well.
Lets take a system that was difficult to develop for and it\'s games- the Nintendo 64.
Why wern\'t there so many great games on the N64? Because developers didn\'t want to waste money or they had limitations with the hardware. It was very hard to get your idea done on the N64 because of the vector units and the catridges. Well now with GameCube that\'s all solve. The GODs can hold approximately 200 times more than the catridges could. Plus, the hardware is supposingly really easy to develop for. So whats holding developers back now? Nothing.
Nintendo doesn\'t care about graphics, they care about the games. They have always been this way and its time you accepted it. They create the GameCube so developers could get a chance to create BETTER games without limits or problems.(almost the exact words of Yamauchi)
So maybe you should actually use your brain just a little before trying to pretend to have some kind of point
Please, I\'ve learned from my past mistakes. I only get into arguments that I know I can win.
Hmmm let me see they are going to seel it at around $150 at launch day, and they want to make a profit ?
Actually, they could of sold them for 179$ and STILL make profit...
And this isn\'t official yet people. Until we hear from DR and IGN it\'s all just a pile a poo.
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hmmm $150 for a GC system that is a bit more powerful then a PS2..hmmm..if it so called costs Microsoft "$400" to make XBOX, then what makes you think Nintendo is going to release GC for $150 ? and i know they not having people make the GC in a sweat shop..where they pay people $1 for labor..and 25¢ for the chipset..i DONT think so..
the GC was rumored to be $200-$250
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the GC was rumored to be $200-$250
Correction: It was always rumoured to be 150-200.
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One more reason that it could be more expensive than $150 is that this technology which is very very advanced is also smaller in size.Which means more production costs(More complex machines to produce).
Unless if they ve found a technology which is low cost while delivering astonishing graphics.
BY THE WAY THIS IS A PLAYSTATION2 FORUM.
Nathan made an announcement about off PS2 topics.If you remember.
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$150-$200 ? i dont know where you read your info from..hope its not like that link you gave us..
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That doesn\'t look like an official website ,more like a
japan gcube fan site.
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Originally posted by bandit
hmmm $150 for a GC system that is a bit more powerful then a PS2..hmmm..if it so called costs Microsoft "$400" to make XBOX, then what makes you think Nintendo is going to release GC for $150 ? and i know they not having people make the GC in a sweat shop..where they pay people $1 for labor..and 25¢ for the chipset..i DONT think so..
the GC was rumored to be $200-$250
yeah your right , and what about Import and shipping charges oh that will atleast acount for 10% of the $100 base line and thats before it get\'s to the shops like EB and GAME , FFS what are they going to live on ?
think of the poor store clerks Nintendo, your stealing the food from there childern\'s mouths :laughing:.
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It\'s Febuary the 25 here thats 36 days away from April the first :laughing:.
I think we have our first April Fools of the Year 2001, FFS Game Cube Fan site coouldn\'t of you just waited another 36 days before trying to pull this one :laughing:.
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I choose not to believe it simply because I don\'t want to get my hopes up. I don\'t want to get high hopes, and then be burned because my hopes were way too high.
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Come one enough is enough, even if they where ABLE to produce it for $150, what would they make back in profit?
the last time i checked Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, And Sega WHERE NOT A CHARITY
if you want some thing as good as a PS2 X Box or Game Cube
You have to be willing to part with a fair bit of money !
haven\'t you ever heard of the frase " there an\'t no thing as a FREE LUNCH ! "
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Actually, I honestly do and the same thing applies for the Xbox as well.
Yes you honestly do, but the majority of gamers don\'t think so, and I sure as hell do not. You are a Nintendo fan first you like Nintenod games, but the real truth is Nintendo is not the choice of the mass market of gamers. Nintenod is now a Niche\' market....
Lets take a system that was difficult to develop for and it\'s games- the Nintendo 64.
Why wern\'t there so many great games on the N64? Because developers didn\'t want to waste money or they had limitations with the hardware. It was very hard to get your idea done on the N64 because of the vector units and the catridges.
Yes but that opened the door for Sony who is a much larger company than Nintendo and is now the brand of choice for the majority of gamers. Most gamers want to play a large library of great and good games (and crap) over Nintendo\'s franchises and 2nd party games. 3rd party developers won\'t be jumping on the GC\'s ship becasue GC will never be the #1 selling console.
The bottom line there will be great games on all 3 systems, but the bottom line is the PS2 has 3 times the 3rd party developers that Nintendo has, and even Xbox has more 3rd party developers lined up for Xbox.
So come back to reality Jumpman, the only people who are going to Jump on the GC are Nintendo fans, Pokemon fans.
Well now with GameCube that\'s all solve. The GODs can hold approximately 200 times more than the catridges could. Plus, the hardware is supposingly really easy to develop for. So whats holding developers back now? Nothing.
No its not solved. Nintendo still doesn\'t have the userbase the PS2 will have. The PS2 hardware is harder to develop for, but Developers keep announcing new games for the system all the time. Nobody is jumping off the PS2 ship and SOny has stated that the PS3 will use the EE3, and GS3 which means all there time learning the pS2 architexture will also be useful in the future.
I still don\'t understand your thinking... Do you really think once GC is launched all the developers are going to leave Sony just to develope for Nintendo. Sure they\'ll develop some games port some games, but its more than obvious that 3rd parties are still putting there best franchises on the PS2 while developing new exclusive content. There are so many awesome PS2 titles coming out that will sell more PS2\'s no way GC will be on top, thats just way to obvious.
[Nintendo doesn\'t care about graphics, they care about the games. They have always been this way and its time you accepted it. They create the GameCube so developers could get a chance to create BETTER games without limits or problems.(almost the exact words of Yamauchi)
This is BS, and your brainwashed.... Of course Nintendo cares about Graphics, and so do Nintendo fans. Thats the whole reason for hardware uprgrades, to make larger more beleiveable enviroments . To better immerse the player into the games world... Gameplay is important but Graphics to match are equally important and Nintendo knows this... If they don\'t thinks so and they release Graphically inferior games to Xbox and the PS2 the GC will fail cause casual gamers will look at it and say no thinks I\'ll take a PS2 or and Xbox instead.
Do you honestly believe developers will choose GC over the PS2 when the PS2 has double the userbase. Sure I expect a few Dev\'s to jump off the PS2\'s ship, but those will be the ones that can\'t hack it, and alot of those who jump ship might goto the Xbox which has better hardware.
Please, I\'ve learned from my past mistakes. I only get into arguments that I know I can win.
interesting when are you going to start following your own advice
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eXCUSSE ME FOR BEING mR pICKY sYP gUY here, but should\'nt this been in the CONSOLE DEBATING ForuM, after all it is NOT A playstaton 2 releted topic.
and this IS a Playstation 2 Site after all ?
an\'t it ?
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BINGO !!!!...i figured something out...IF hint the word IF, this is true that Nintendo is selling the GameCube for $150...they are going to charge the games for..no not $40 [price of PS1 games]....no not $50 [price of PS2, and DC games and N64 games]...no not $60 [price of some N64 games]...they are going to charge.....$100 dollars (does Dr. Evil with pinky) a game...thats how they going to get you..
buy a cheap system for $150 and then buy games for $100...hahaha
ITS JUST MY LIL EARLY APRIL FOOLS JOKE KINDA !!!!!!
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First off, let me start by saying how suprised how many Nintendo fans there are here. Ok, now on to the topic...
I really hope a $150 or $100 price point is true, because I don\'t think I can take another $300+ backbreaker... I\'ve been worried about the games since we have seen no real \'games\' yet, just tech demos, even if some are playable.
If the July date or whenever would be true too, I would be VERY worried, because the media first played N64 games some 10 monthes before the US launch, and N64 only launched with 2 games...
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ddaryl, please stay on topic. You brought out a lot of bias **** out of no where and forced me to make meat out of it too.
Yes you honestly do, but the majority of gamers don\'t think so, and I sure as hell do not. You are a Nintendo fan first you like Nintenod games, but the real truth is Nintendo is not the choice of the mass market of gamers. Nintenod is now a Niche\' market....
What does this have to do with anything besides you TRYING to make Nintendo look bad...
How is that? This is just bull****. I\'m not even going to respond to this part, it\'s worthless fanboy crap.
Yes but that opened the door for Sony who is a much larger company than Nintendo and is now the brand of choice for the majority of gamers. Most gamers want to play a large library of great and good games (and crap) over Nintendo\'s franchises and 2nd party games.
You have no clue what most gamers think ddaryl. Most gamers (PSX owners as you will call them)have never owned a Nintendo system...they have no clue what their talking about. And for the love of god stay on topic.
3rd party developers won\'t be jumping on the GC\'s ship becasue GC will never be the #1 selling console.
SILICON KNIGHTS. And how do you know this ddaryl? Right now it\'s just pure speculation.
Please,stay on topic. I\'m starting to think your a gimp now. You keep bringing up unrealated topics that I don;t give a rat\'s ass about, why?
but the bottom line is the PS2 has 3 times the 3rd party developers that Nintendo has, and even Xbox has more 3rd party developers lined up for Xbox.
Woop dee doo. 3 times more CRAPPY developers is what you should of put. Nintendo has EVERY good developer that that Sony has. Namco, Square, EA,ect. In fact, if we were to compare the list than you would cleary see who has the most talented developers( this should be funny)...
So come back to reality Jumpman, the only people who are going to Jump on the GC are Nintendo fans, Pokemon fans.
The people who say these things are fanboys, Sony fanboys. :laughing:
No its not solved. Nintendo still doesn\'t have the userbase the PS2 will have. The PS2 hardware is harder to develop for, but Developers keep announcing new games for the system all the time. Nobody is jumping off the PS2 ship and SOny has stated that the PS3 will use the EE3, and GS3 which means all there time learning the pS2 architexture will also be useful in the future.
Why are they pushing PS3 so soon...
till don\'t understand your thinking... Do you really think once GC is launched all the developers are going to leave Sony just to develope for Nintendo.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. Please get a clue ddaryl.
Sure they\'ll develop some games port some games, but its more than obvious that 3rd parties are still putting there best franchises on the PS2 while developing new exclusive content. There are so many awesome PS2 titles coming out that will sell more PS2\'s no way GC will be on top, thats just way to obvious.
Stay on topic for the love of gtod you...
It doesn\'t matter who\'s on top. It\'s all about the games, and Nintendo will deliver them. Oh, and Nintendo may not win the hardware wars but they\'re certainly going to do extremely well in the software wars.
This is BS, and your brainwashed
*sigh* I\'m brainwashed am I? No comment needed for this.
Graphics to match are equally important and Nintendo knows this
I\'m not going to repeat myself again- the NGC was designed to give developers the chance to make their games the best they can and as easy as they can, graphics are connected to games right? Read my last post again...you said they only cared about graphics, I proved that wrong.(lol, I\'ll laugh my ass off if he doesn\'t get the point here).
If they don\'t thinks so and they release Graphically inferior games to Xbox and the PS2 the GC will fail cause casual gamers will look at it and say no thinks I\'ll take a PS2 or and Xbox instead.
Do you honestly believe developers will choose GC over the PS2 when the PS2 has double the userbase. Sure I expect a few Dev\'s to jump off the PS2\'s ship, but those will be the ones that can\'t hack it, and alot of those who jump ship might goto the Xbox which has better hardware.
I\'m sick of arguing unrelated points. I\'m going to pull a ddaryl and make one of my own.:)
BB and HD. Sony will lose money over these items. Do you honestly expect people to pay around 150 for them when you can already get them in the Xbox? Online gaming for Sony is going to screw up. Mark my words...
interesting when are you going to start following your own advice
Please, next time respond in a non-fanboy matter. I can\'t think straight when I\'m arguing with them.
$150-$200 ? i dont know where you read your info from..hope its not like that link you gave us..
Read this and shut up.
http://cube.ign.com/news/23749.html
BINGO !!!!...i figured something out...IF hint the word IF, this is true that Nintendo is selling the GameCube for $150...they are going to charge the games for..no not $40 [price of PS1 games]....no not $50 [price of PS2, and DC games and N64 games]...no not $60 [price of some N64 games]...they are going to charge.....$100 dollars (does Dr. Evil with pinky) a game...thats how they going to get you..
buy a cheap system for $150 and then buy games for $100...hahaha
Were you trying to be funny?
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Yes you honestly do, but the majority of gamers don\'t think so, and I sure as hell do not. You are a Nintendo fan first you like Nintenod games, but the real truth is Nintendo is not the choice of the mass market of gamers. Nintenod is now a Niche\' market....
What does this have to do with anything besides you TRYING to make Nintendo look bad...
How is that? This is just bull****. I\'m not even going to respond to this part, it\'s worthless fanboy crap.
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Dude its the truth, and obviously it bothers yo so much you respond like a little girl
3rd party developers won\'t be jumping on the GC\'s ship becasue GC will never be the #1 selling console
SILICON KNIGHTS. And how do you know this ddaryl? Right now it\'s just pure speculation.
Please,stay on topic. I\'m starting to think your a gimp now. You keep bringing up unrealated topics that I don;t give a rat\'s ass about, why?
Again. common sense. 3rd parties are going to stay with the biggest Userbase. I expect GC to have 3rd parties, the N64 did, just don\'t allow yourself to believe they\'re just going to take all of there best work and put it on GC instead, cuae it way to obvious that thats not going to happen.
I love the way you choose not to answer when you don\'t really have one. Also wahts up with Silicon Knights, I thought they we\'re a Nintendo 2nd party, if they are a 3rd party who does GC exclusives they congratualtions you have 1 3rd party that Sony doesn;t have.
but the bottom line is the PS2 has 3 times the 3rd party developers that Nintendo has, and even Xbox has more 3rd party developers lined up for Xbox.
Woop dee doo. 3 times more CRAPPY developers is what you should of put. Nintendo has EVERY good developer that that Sony has. Namco, Square, EA,ect. In fact, if we were to compare the list than you would cleary see who has the most talented developers( this should be funny)...
1st Nintendo doesn\'t have Square, Square never announced any GC games and you know that. EA, Namco, Capcom, all have more PS2 project in development then GC or Xbox and are always announcing more. These are fact jumpman, I\'m not making htis up, they are facts... You need to deal with them
So come back to reality Jumpman, the only people who are going to Jump on the GC are Nintendo fans, Pokemon fans.
The people who say these things are fanboys, Sony fanboys. :laughing:
Sorry again, Nintendo franchises only appeal to Nintendo fans. Why do you think the latest Japanese Polls shows the PS2 being the console of choice. Why are PS2 selling like hotckaes in the US and still steady in Japan. Again just dealing with the information at hand. Nintendo is a niche\' market, and that fine Nintendo will profit and do well, but they\'ll never ever be #1 again in the console market. Handheld is there\'s but GC will never be #1. It might be just an opinion right now, but I\'ll make any bet with you on that one
No its not solved. Nintendo still doesn\'t have the userbase the PS2 will have. The PS2 hardware is harder to develop for, but Developers keep announcing new games for the system all the time. Nobody is jumping off the PS2 ship and SOny has stated that the PS3 will use the EE3, and GS3 which means all there time learning the pS2 architexture will also be useful in the future.
Why are they pushing PS3 so soon...
C\'mon Jumpman, your not going to start that lame ass crap again. You know what I was saying. The fact is the PS2 learning curve will only be steep early on, th e dev\'s will get up to speed on the PS2 and th ehard to program for won\'t be viable. add in the fact that Sony is sticking with there architexture for the next generationand developers can apply all of there knowledge gained from PS2 developement to future generations of Sony hardware its just another reason why Developers won\'t leave Sony Jumpman, what\'s a matter does it make you angry that Nintendo will be #2 or even #3 this time around just like last time. It hurts doesn\'t it. GOOD
still don\'t understand your thinking... Do you really think once GC is launched all the developers are going to leave Sony just to develope for Nintendo.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. Please get a clue ddaryl.
Yu brought up these thing originally, now you are telling me it has nothig to do with the debate. Nice try, now answer the question son.
Sure they\'ll develop some games port some games, but its more than obvious that 3rd parties are still putting there best franchises on the PS2 while developing new exclusive content. There are so many awesome PS2 titles coming out that will sell more PS2\'s no way GC will be on top, thats just way to obvious.
Stay on topic for the love of gtod you...
It doesn\'t matter who\'s on top. It\'s all about the games, and Nintendo will deliver them. Oh, and Nintendo may not win the hardware wars but they\'re certainly going to do extremely well in the software wars.
Your right it doesn\'t matter about who\'s on top but it is the games, and its so obvious Sony and the PS2 will have a larger library of kick ass games.
As for software wars, what You think Nintendo will sell more software than Sony this generation, maybe, but again SOny is developing some 30 games to be released this year
some of the most anticipated PS2 games will be Sony 1st party games. Sony only had limited experience when the launched the PSX, but I\'m already excited and realtively large amounts of kick ass looking titles SOny is putting out for the PS2.
Go ahead and say it. I know you want to say your biased comments about Up and coming Sony games vs: Nintendo games, but the fact remains, alot of people don\'t care for Nintendo games, and SOny has ALL Genre\'s covered. They have a couple of Gems coming ut this year alone, no denyiong that
That is unless your some biased fanboy who her Nintendo is better the eryone else opinion is actually a valid argument
This is BS, and your brainwashed
*sigh* I\'m brainwashed am I? No comment needed for this.
Yes you and alot of Nintendo fans seem to be from the Nintendo Zealots I meet on Forums. They all quote Nintendo PR BS as some sort of gospel. Nintendo is a good company made some great games for there fans, but they definetly don\'t belong on some special pedestal that you put them up on.
Graphics to match are equally important and Nintendo knows this
I\'m not going to repeat myself again- the NGC was designed to give developers the chance to make their games the best they can and as easy as they can, graphics are connected to games right? Read my last post again...you said they only cared about graphics, I proved that wrong.(lol, I\'ll laugh my ass off if he doesn\'t get the point here).[/quote
I never said Nintendo only cared about graphics, some Nintendo fans do though.. as do fans of any console
You didn\'t prove a thing, GC was desiged to be easier to program for, but the PS2 was built and designed to allow devs to realize there dream as well. GC and Nintendo hold no real advantage here, simple because 3rd paty dev\'s are not going to run over to GC and concentrate there efforts htere simply because of ease of dev. If you actually use a tad bit of common sense userbase determines where 3rd parties concentrate there best efforts, and newer franchises mostly ( I didn\'t say entirely, mostly)
If they don\'t thinks so and they release Graphically inferior games to Xbox and the PS2 the GC will fail cause casual gamers will look at it and say no thinks I\'ll take a PS2 or and Xbox instead.
Do you honestly believe developers will choose GC over the PS2 when the PS2 has double the userbase. Sure I expect a few Dev\'s to jump off the PS2\'s ship, but those will be the ones that can\'t hack it, and alot of those who jump ship might goto the Xbox which has better hardware.
I\'m sick of arguing unrelated points.
This is right on topic you just don\'t have any argument to fight with so you turn to BS,
I\'m going to pull a ddaryl and make one of my own
BB and HD. Sony will lose money over these items. Do you honestly expect people to pay around 150 for them when you can already get them in the Xbox? Online gaming for Sony is going to screw up. Mark my words...
The HD and Ethernet will not cost that much. Sony knows it will fail if they charge over $75. There are alot of ways to make the money back for these periphials cause Sony\'s online network is so much more then just gaming. I don\'t think BB will take off for Xbox or the PS2 as much as anyone would like but it will not "screw up" as you are so deserately are hoping for. Sony is teaming up with lots of bigtime players, I seriously doubt it will "screw up" and I will mark your words. It\'ll just give me more reasons to laugh later on
Well Jumplad, you can love your precious Nintendo till your dead, Nintendo will make Nintendo fans very very happy I\'m sure, and they\'ll have some great games on the system. I have no doubts about that
But don\'t go trying to make Nintenod out to be this whollier than thou company that stand for the rightesnous of gamers, cause thats Nintendo\'s public relations BS does to so many Nintendo fans..... Brainwashes them.
there will equally fun, equally in quality, equally in inovation games on all 3 systems. The PS2 will just have a larger library of them. [/B]
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what i wanna know it, how do u guys read the threads with all the quotes and crap in there, AND have the time to do it all, sheesh
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Originally posted by mm
what i wanna know it, how do u guys read the threads with all the quotes and crap in there, AND have the time to do it all, sheesh
Its hilarious isn\'t it
but how the hell do you reply to a portion of debate so the person knows what the hell you we\'re trying to reply too
and I\'m just having fun with Jumplad here, I wanna see how far he will go
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Wow $150 bucks for the GC. So if Sony takes a substantial loss on each PS2 sold at $299 how much are Nintendo going to lose per unit sold on hardware that is similar to the PS2s in terms of power? Sure one strategy is to make it up with software sales, but how much do they think they can sell? Or are they going to charge developers bigger royalites - and thereby alienate developers like they did with the N64?
I\'d sure as hell love the GC to come out at $150, but honestly I think that poster is pure BS.
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I\'ve just got one question Jumpman, if you like Nintnedo so much because you believe they honestly care about their games and gamers.. they why do put down the little developers as making crappy games?? Even EA, Square, Rare, and Nintnedo themselves were little guys at one time. The company and people that you don\'t give a chance today may never have the oppertunity to create tomorrows masterpieces. I mean, look at all the great developers who have come out in just the last five years... expecially Neversoft and Naughty Dog.
See the problem isn\'t lazy developers.. it\'s greedy PUBLISHERS like EA, Take2, and Eidos. Games are just too expencive to create in your garage anymore.. and it takes $$$$ to make a AAA title. To offset the cost of making and distributing the game, you have to get a publisher. Now the publisher isn\'t just going to throw their money away, and often times they limit budgets, impose strict deadlines, and demand that new games be a "Proven sellers" by imitating other popular titles. The result is often rehashed, unimaginative games at best, and bug riddled crap at worst.
Most developers I know of, DO care about their games.. and it hurts when people talk trash about it. There\'s just an indescribable mix of emotions when a game you\'ve spent so much time and effort on finally goes to market... expecially when it\'s unfinished and you KNOW it. Yet, these developers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You HAVE to ship when the publisher wants it to ship.. under the publishers conditions... regardless of weither or not the game is ready or else risk having your project get canned. Now I\'m not saying this is true of all games comming from little development houses.. but there is a great deal of it judging from the interviews and behind the scenes editorials I\'ve read.
It\'s really a shame that there are so many talented and innovative developers out there who are stuck creating crap because of the limitations their finances and publishers put on them. You just wouldn\'t believe the amount of politics that goes on in the game market. It\'s really more or less just how a developer plays the system as to weither or not their given the oppertunity to be discovered. Crappy games aren\'t made because developers don\'t care.. most of the time they do care, very much so. Crappy games are made because noone is willing to give these people a chance.
I say, let the little guys show us what they can do when provided the right tools, income, and incentive. You never know where the next Miyamoto, Suzuki, or Williams will come from... but there\'s one thing for certain.. it\'ll be from somewhere at the bottom.
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I rarely post stuff but this little debate with jman and ddaryl was funny to me because of their passion for videogames but for anybody to say what is going to happen after seing what just happened with sega it only proves for whatever reason 1 console will be better we don\'t know plain and simple . One year ago if somebody would of told anybody of what sega is doing now they would laugh in that persons face. As much as I love videogames and I do feel passionate about them but Im not hypnotized when the button is off like a lot of people are and I like to keep things simple because we are really getting to complicated and worrying about way to much stuff when we all know when we hit that on button all of that userbase and how easy or hard thing is to develop for,licensing fees, 4.7gb...(you get the message) will go right out the window. That is the only reason you debate beacuse you are hypnotized when the button is on but when it turns off just chill and be happy of what you have the oppurtunity to experience. The Gamemaster has spoken.
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Dude its the truth, and obviously it bothers yo so much you respond like a little girl
I don\'t care if it\'s the truth or not, your STILL trying to make Nintendo look bad.
Why though? Why are you going out of your way to put PS2 on a pedestal amd NGC on the ground? You must be worried about it because you seem to be slamming it pretty hard.
I think I\'ll do what you do(trolling)...
Again. common sense. 3rd parties are going to stay with the biggest Userbase.
Ha. Then why arn\'t they all with Nintendo and Sega?
I expect GC to have 3rd parties, the N64 did,
In case you don\'t know yet but they will have a lot more third parties around more than the last time.
just don\'t allow yourself to believe they\'re just going to take all of there best work and put it on GC instead, cuae it way to obvious that thats not going to happen.
I\'m not an idiot ddaryl. Besides, I only buy Nintendo 1st and 2nd party games, I don\'t care if GameCube doesn\'t any third parties because Nintendo is capable of carrying a system by themselves.
Sony on the other hand couldn\'t do it. They have the ****tiest 1st parties around. Cmon, Naughty Dog with that moron Jason Rubin? What descent games have they made? Crash? IE a cheep rip off of Mario.
love the way you choose not to answer when you don\'t really have one. Also wahts up with Silicon Knights, I thought they we\'re a Nintendo 2nd party, if they are a 3rd party who does GC exclusives they congratualtions you have 1 3rd party that Sony doesn;t have.
You idiot. I just gave you an example of a Sony third party jumping ship. They are a Nintendo 2nd party btw/.
But I remember when everyone was so excited about Too Human for PSX. People were calling it the next MGS or FF, then they ****ed Sony and went to NIntendo. Too bad, they had talent, something most Sony developers don\'t have. Besides poor ole Square of course.
1st Nintendo doesn\'t have Square, Square never announced any GC games and you know that. EA, Namco, Capcom, all have more PS2 project in development then GC or Xbox and are always announcing more. These are fact jumpman, I\'m not making htis up, they are facts... You need to deal with them
1- they do have Square. Yamauchi CAN\'T STOP THEM. They are the facts trol..er ddaryl,you need to deal with them. :laughing: (I like this troll gimmick)
Oh yeah, read above. 3rd parties can lick a llama\'s anus.
Sorry again, Nintendo franchises only appeal to Nintendo fans.
Sorry, but thats just completely insane. Nintendo\'s franchises were the ONLY games that Sony fans liked. They kept saying" well they only have some good games and thats from their 1st and 2nd parties because they don\'t have any third parties."
Why do you think the latest Japanese Polls shows the PS2 being the console of choice.
I\'d like to see those.
Why are PS2 selling like hotckaes in the US and still steady in Japan.
I went to Walmart today to pick up MSR and I saw about 15 PS2\'s on the shelves. They were there when I came and left. I guess hotcakes don\'t sell too well...
Nintendo is a niche\' market, and that fine Nintendo will profit and do well, but they\'ll never ever be #1 again in the console market. Handheld is there\'s but GC will never be #1. It might be just an opinion right now, but I\'ll make any bet with you on that one
Fine I\'ll take your pathetic little flame bait. Nintendo will be number one through Christmas 2002. Lets just wait and see on this one.
C\'mon Jumpman, your not going to start that lame ass crap again.
Actually thats the first time I ever mentioned PS3 in any of my posts.
It hurts doesn\'t it. GOOD
Actually it doesn\'t hurt to know that PS2 will be the least powerful console this genereation(loving this troll gimmick, it\'s pretty fun eh ddaryl?).
Yu brought up these thing originally, now you are telling me it has nothig to do with the debate. Nice try, now answer the question son.
It doesn\'t have anything to do with the debate. Go ahead, try and explain. I\'m in the mood for another good trollish remark.
Answer-no,but again I don\'t care.
Your right it doesn\'t matter about who\'s on top but it is the games, and its so obvious Sony and the PS2 will have a larger library of kick ass games.
ddaryl, just admit that your a troll and go back under your bridge. ITS ALL ABOUT OPINION. You can\'t say PS2 will be better because thats your opinion, not everyone elses.
They may have a larger one, but they won\'t have a better one.
( I love being a troll)
As for software wars, what You think Nintendo will sell more software than Sony this generation, maybe, but again SOny is developing some 30 games to be released this year
some of the most anticipated PS2 games will be Sony 1st party games. Sony only had limited experience when the launched the PSX, but I\'m already excited and realtively large amounts of kick ass looking titles SOny is putting out for the PS2.
I think Sony should leave it up to the people who know how to make games, not do it themselves. What do they got? Some gay ass Naughty Dogg game, Dark Cloud? PPFFFTTTT! I\'ll stick with their third parties thank you.
Go ahead and say it. I know you want to say your biased comments about Up and coming Sony games vs: Nintendo games, but the fact remains, alot of people don\'t care for Nintendo games, and SOny has ALL Genre\'s covered. They have a couple of Gems coming ut this year alone, no denyiong that
Wow they have all genre\'s covered do they? Is that suppose to make anyone excited?
Yes you and alot of Nintendo fans seem to be from the Nintendo Zealots I meet on Forums. They all quote Nintendo PR BS as some sort of gospel. Nintendo is a good company made some great games for there fans, but they definetly don\'t belong on some special pedestal that you put them up on.
Face it ddaryl, your just as biased as I am. You know, just try and argue out of this one( and stay on topic while you do it).
I never said Nintendo only cared about graphics, some Nintendo fans do though.. as do fans of any console
Your excact words:
the GC is all about Graphics
Seems pretty trollish to me.
But what did Sony care about when they made the PS2? Obviously it wasn\'t graphics or gameplay because they would of made it like NGC then. What were they trying to accomplish? Pissing developers off? Well they succeeded at doing that.
If you actually use a tad bit of common sense userbase determines where 3rd parties concentrate there best efforts, and newer franchises mostly ( I didn\'t say entirely, mostly)
Tell that to Sega and Nintendo after the SNES you gimp.
Newer franchises- UNPROVEN. And can\'t be unless your god.
ight on topic you just don\'t have any argument to fight with so you turn to BS,
I\'m turning to BS? Please, then why would you bring up who\'s number 1 or any other of your other of no where comments?
and Ethernet will not cost that much. Sony knows it will fail if they charge over $75. There are alot of ways to make the money back for these periphials cause Sony\'s online network is so much more then just gaming. I don\'t think BB will take off for Xbox or the PS2 as much as anyone would like but it will not "screw up" as you are so deserately are hoping for. Sony is teaming up with lots of bigtime players, I seriously doubt it will "screw up" and I will mark your words. It\'ll just give me more reasons to laugh later on
75$? LOL. Try over 100 $.
But don\'t go trying to make Nintenod out to be this whollier than thou company that stand for the rightesnous of gamers, cause thats Nintendo\'s public relations BS does to so many Nintendo fans..... Brainwashes them.
You need to get out of the house more often ddaryl. Your the one saying PS2 is better and will have better games, not me. I don\'t do that ****. I ain\'t a fanboy.
there will equally fun, equally in quality, equally in inovation games on all 3 systems. The PS2 will just have a larger library of them.
It\'s official, your an idiot. Unless you can predict the future than just shut up. You don\'t know whats gonna be all the NGC or Xbox so why would you say PS2 is better? I\'ll answer that: cause your a true Sony fanboy. Deny it, I dare you. After saying something so twisted and insane as you can\'t deny it.
they why do put down the little developers as making crappy games??
Hey, they\'ve giving SOME the chance. But the only ones I can think of are Retro and Silicon Knights...meh. Meh. I blame Yamauchi for that.
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Originally posted by bandit
BINGO !!!!...i figured something out...IF hint the word IF, this is true that Nintendo is selling the GameCube for $150...they are going to charge the games for..no not $40 [price of PS1 games]....no not $50 [price of PS2, and DC games and N64 games]...no not $60 [price of some N64 games]...they are going to charge.....$100 dollars (does Dr. Evil with pinky) a game...thats how they going to get you..
buy a cheap system for $150 and then buy games for $100...hahaha
ITS JUST MY LIL EARLY APRIL FOOLS JOKE KINDA !!!!!!
PSX2CENTRALS Version of The foot and Mouth disease
thats it i am placeing this post under quarinteen, to stop the spread !
Thank you Bandit, for a while i though i was the only one left in this forum with any common sence.
This has to be prank, due to the fact that if it was True" Nintendo would go down in flames quicker than a Bill Gates Striper Gram at a Apple Mac Confrence :laughing:.
The worrying thing is that Memebrs who have beeen known for there wise comments are actually starting to BELEVE this BS.
Whats gone on?
i think Someone from that Game Cube Fan Site should be given an award for " Best April Fool that did,\'t happen on April the First".
Why didn\'t they what till April ?
Well if they did it then we would have guessed :laughing:.
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well if this is true and it seems more likely not to be
i would really be happy because of not having to pay so much for another system - the PS2 took a good bit of money
but if they do this i think that the games will be around 60-70 dollars - look at how expensive N64 games are
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That is an official GameCube site everyone. Its just as official as Nintendo.com.
Um, no.
I\'m sorry to burst anyone\'s bubble. But that site is NOT OFFICIAL IN ANY WAY.
Don\'t you guys know what f2s.com is? It\'s a place where you can get ad free webspace. It\'s the same as http://www.freedom2surf.com. Which means that site is as official as a GEOCITIES website. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Samwise
That is an official GameCube site everyone. Its just as official as Nintendo.com.
Um, no.
I\'m sorry to burst anyone\'s bubble. But that site is NOT OFFICIAL IN ANY WAY.
Don\'t you guys know what f2s.com is? It\'s a place where you can get ad free webspace. It\'s the same as http://www.freedom2surf.com. Which means that site is as official as a GEOCITIES website. :rolleyes: [/B]
in that case shouldn\'t we move this thread AGAIN to the Off the Topic Section ofthe forums, now that we can all agree that it realy is a lot of :crap: and Nintendo has NOt lost there minds.
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Two words.....Adobe Photoshop!
Gotta wait for Nintendo says something. I remember all the **** about the Xbox floating around and none of it was true unless MS said so! Same goes for any other system out there. If it\'s a $150 thats awesome because it means I won\'t spend as much when I get one but I\'m skeptical at this point.
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thiers no way nintendo gamecube is gonna sell that cheap, how will they plan to make money
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Gamecube is supposedly VERY cheap to make. I doubt it will cost more than $200.
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Originally posted by Gohan
Gamecube is supposedly VERY cheap to make. I doubt it will cost more than $200.
$150, but what will the games cost?
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Ddaryl,
I haven\'t seen you be this defensive and craptacular in a loooooong time. You disappoint me. I had a great deal of respect for you when you became a moderator, I saw a huge turn around in your attitude and it was all good.
Same for 00seven, you all seem a little scared.
You go a make rash and unreasonable statements such as, "GC will never be the top console", "Nintendo only makes kiddy games and will only appeal to that market". Absolutely nothing to back up those statements. The GC is a brand new system, brand new games, and a lot of diverse developers. Nintendo is going for a brand new look, and they won\'t have a problem doing so.
Why couldn\'t Nintendo sell GC at a loss. Sony does it, they make money from the games and accessories. And don\'t even try to tell me Nintendo doesn\'t have money.
And DON\'T tell me Nintendo doesn\'t sell any more. Did you see how many preorders there are in Japan for the Gameboy Advanced? Close to 3 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That\'s alot for a company who doesn\'t appeal to mass market (that one\'s for you ddaryl)
Do you really think
Konami
Capcom
Namco
Sega
Retro
Left Field Studios
Rare
NCL
Silicon Knights
EA
Universal
Brownie Brown
will all just make kiddy games? Do you? That\'s just stupid foolish of you. I haven\'t seen a kiddy game in any form from EA. Konami, Namco, and Capcom don\'t make many of them either.
Have you read or heard about GC projects? Left Field is covering sports games.
Capcom is making RE Zero.
Silicon Knights-Too Human(supposedly for mature audiences)
EA-you know what they do
Namco-kiddie? not at all.
Have you heard about the game Flesh and Wire? Doesn\'t sound kiddie too me.
I could go on and on.
Stop being trolls and wait until alot more info is out before predicting the future.
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Originally posted by SLIMSHADY739
thiers no way nintendo gamecube is gonna sell that cheap, how will they plan to make money
Off the software, like everyone else...
DC, PS2, PSX, N64, etc. all sold at a loss. WHY? To get a big installed base quickly. When that\'s happening, more people by games (software). Software is were the profit is...make sense?
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And something else...
Why would they all choose to make exlusives for Sony only? This doesn\'t make any sense. And how do you know how many 3rd party develepors are on GC? Do you work for Nintendo? How do you know Nintendo isn\'t keeping it all secret. They are pretty good at that you know. Since when did you speak for the majority of the gaming public? I don\'t want you speaking for me.
Oh wait, I know, you\'re using your **** filled crystal ball to tell us these "facts". BAH!
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This rant and rave was spewed forth from a orifice on Ginko body , i only hope it was his mouth.
Ddaryl,
I haven\'t seen you be this defensive and craptacular in a loooooong time. You disappoint me. I had a great deal of respect for you when you became a moderator, I saw a huge turn around in your attitude and it was all good.
Same for 00seven, you all seem a little scared.
the only reason why i am scared is that soo many of you are falling for it.
it\'s not if, should, why or how ?
it just that it would CRIPPLE Nintendo if they ever considered a move like that.
Plus the fact that this news is FROM a "Gamecube FAN site"
means that it was probibaly writen by a fan boy or some ugly TROLL.
Hmmm let me see this rumour started AFTER Rev X Box was Banned, wonder if there is a link ?
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If 150 is true I bet a lot more people will buy it. You know it\'s not about the money sometimes though: for example if the ps2 were 400 on lunch day, I\'m pretty sure it would still be sold out fast
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Originally posted by lionken07
If 150 is true I bet a lot more people will buy it. You know it\'s not about the money sometimes though: for example if the ps2 were 400 on lunch day, I\'m pretty sure it would still be sold out fast
haven\'t you people even studyed economics ?
the reason why i am soo up tight about this is that, there is NO way in HELL that Nintedo would be able to sell this console at this price.
Even if Demand out striped supply they would still not be able to make a profit.
SIMPLIFIED VERSION !
they make a GC at $100 say
they sell it to EB or game\'s stores for $130
They then sell it at $150
Total profit per unit for Nintendo $30
Total profit for stores $20
and thats not including shipping costs , Tax , Land Tax for the Nintendo empire, Wages for the workers, money for PR and Ad\'s, Money for Recerch and development, etc etc etc
i can here Nintendo saying " oh please please take my money away, i don\'t need it"
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im not beliveing this until i see what happens at e3
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Originally posted by SLIMSHADY739
im not beliveing this until i see what happens at e3
Run along young member before you catch the Great Forum Foot and Mouth disease.
but yeah your right, if Nintedo are going to say something it will be at the E3 show.
i only hope that this epidemic blows over before then or ill have to Dust everyone to stop the risk of infection to the rest of the world ;).
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The reason the GC is so cheap to make is because it\'s hardware is mass produced. I think the Gekko is produced by IBM, I\'m not sure. They didn\'t have to build new factories for it, they outsourced...in business? Then you\'re familiar with the term. They did this for most of the parts on the GC. Making it cheaper to produce than the PS2.
Why couldn\'t they launch it at that price? Why can they sell PSX and N64 at 100$ and still be around, or making money? They make it up in software from having a large installed base. And the hardware is mass produced and cheap. Why would it be so hard to make, or have, these parts so early in a system\'s life?
While I\'m not saying that the GC WILL launch at 150$, I honestly think it will be 200$, nothing more. But 150 sure is attractive, and would appeal to ALOT of people. Thus getting a big installed base quickly and a return in profit fast.
By the way, is Sony making profit yet? (I\'m just curious, don\'t take it offensively)
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Originally posted by Ginko
Ddaryl,
I haven\'t seen you be this defensive and craptacular in a loooooong time. You disappoint me. I had a great deal of respect for you when you became a moderator, I saw a huge turn around in your attitude and it was all good.
Who\'s defensive ??? I\'m just having a debate. Nintendo is overrated and they are not that fantastic. As for dissapointint you and respect, please, I beg you don\'t bother. I don\'t give a rats ass about your respect for me. As for my atitiu=de. There was no turn around, I just got sick of debating with people who don\'t have a clue... I\'ve been real bored lately, so I figured I play around with Jumplad some. He overrates Nintenod and allows thinks his opinion in fact so I figured I have my fun
You go a make rash and unreasonable statements such as, "GC will never be the top console", "Nintendo only makes kiddy games and will only appeal to that market". Absolutely nothing to back up those statements. The GC is a brand new system, brand new games, and a lot of diverse developers. Nintendo is going for a brand new look, and they won\'t have a problem doing so.
I never once said Nintendo only makes Kiddy games, but they will target that market more than anyone else, and that is Nintendo\'s bread and butter. I said Nintendo is a Niche market , and that they are. Almost a cult it seems cause Nintendo fans get so upset when you tell them they ain\'t so great
Nintendo is not going for a brand new look. Read the interviews. They\'ve said over and over again the GC will be for Nintendo exclusives, for games not on any ohter console. There have been a few complaints by some 3rd parties already on how Nintendo treats them. 3rd parties are 2nd fiddle to Nintendo, sure a few choice ones will make some games, but overall the large majority of them will continue to make considerabley more games for the PS2. So far the facts are very much on my side on this one so don\'t bother with wait and lets see. E3 won\'t reveal much more on that, and the PS2 will always always have more from 3rd parties. Thats what makes Sony the King, and will keep the PS2 on top. A very large diversified library of good and great games. There will be a load of crap on the PS2 as well cause thats how it works, but there will be more good and great games on the PS2 then the GC
Heck I believe Xbox will have more good and great games then Nintendo, and I hope this turns out to be true as well.
I know GC will be $150- $200 doesn\'t surprise me a bit. The parents will be more attracted to a $150 machine then a $300 machine. Not to mention the PS2\'s inevitable price drop Nintendo just doesn\'t have much choice in the matter.
And DON\'T tell me Nintendo doesn\'t sell any more. Did you see how many preorders there are in Japan for the Gameboy Advanced? Close to 3 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That\'s alot for a company who doesn\'t appeal to mass market (that one\'s for you ddaryl)
Who talking about GBA, we\'re talking GC. Nintendo will sell well in Japan, just not as well as the PS2.
Do you really think
Konami
Capcom
Namco
Sega
Retro
Left Field Studios
Rare
NCL
Silicon Knights
EA
Universal
Brownie Brown
will all just make kiddy games? Do you? That\'s just stupid foolish of you. I haven\'t seen a kiddy game in any form from EA. Konami, Namco, and Capcom don\'t make many of them either.
No I never said they would, but the PS2 will have way more games and way more games for the older Audience. Quite a bit more, and like I said before, The PS2 will have larger Library of good and great games. SO for the majority of gamers who only buy 1 console the choice won\'t be difficult at all.
Have you read or heard about GC projects? Left Field is covering sports games.
Capcom is making RE Zero.
Silicon Knights-Too Human(supposedly for mature audiences)
EA-you know what they do
Namco-kiddie? not at all.
Have you heard about the game Flesh and Wire? Doesn\'t sound kiddie too me.
I could go on and on.
So who cares I never said Nintendo was all kiddie, but they will still have alot more kiddie content . And for every one Adult oriented game you list for the GC, I could list probably 5 for the PS2. Not all of those GC games are gonna be great, not all the PS2 games are gonna be great, but the PS2 will havew the larger library of great games. Thats painfully easy to see
Stop being trolls and wait until alot more info is out before predicting the future.
Who the hell is being a Troll Ginko, you do realize this is a debate section.... Under no circumastances am I going to agree with anyone because you want me too. If I was a Troll I\'d be on a GC board talking smack but I\'m not am I.
The Bottom line is Nintendo is a great company and will make Nintendo fans very happy. They just won\'t win the console war, nor do they wantr too, Nintendo is content with its Niche market, and reading the articles and all thats what they want to do. They sure as hell haven\'t come close to doing what is necessary if they really wanted to sell 100 million consoles
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I still don\'t see were you are getting your facts. THE FACT is, is that we don\'t know much about Gamecube. We don\'t know what kind of support it\'s getting from the developement community. There maybe some people complaining GC and Nintendo\'s ways. If I\'m not mistaken, and I\'m not, the PS2 hasn\'t had all praise and glory either. But that\'s not stopping it from being good and appealing. I just don\'t see why you think that the 3rd parties won\'t try to make great and exclusive content for Nintendo. You haven\'t given a good reason yet, just your reason.
You also said something along the lines that Nintendo doesn\'t have a diverse range of games or alot of great games. You compared it\'s library to PS2\'s. The PS2 has almost been out for a year. And I can say that it really doesn\'t have a killer app or that great of a library, but I know it\'s in the works;). And it\'s second year will be astounding. Why couldn\'t Nintendo do the same? (Have a diverse and great line up coming that will intice all gamers)
Why do you write off GC\'s future so quickly as to how it will do?
And I\'m not arguing with you, I\'m just trying to see your reasoning behind your facts, as you call them.
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I\'ve been real bored lately, so I figured I play around with Jumplad some. He overrates Nintenod and allows thinks his opinion in fact so I figured I have my fun
Oh please that was the most pathetic thing I ever heard. Saying **** like that won\'t win any arguements. I over-rate Nintendo? Not nearly as much as you over-rate Sony and the hard to develop for PS2. Do you want me to quote your last post and prove my point? I didn\'t think so. I\'ve find it amusing that a mod is acting like a classic troll. A MOD!
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Originally posted by Ginko
Ddaryl,
Who\'s defensive ??? I\'m just having a debate. Nintendo is overrated and they are not that fantastic.
In your eyes they are not, but you don\'t speak for everyone.
I just got sick of debating with people who don\'t have a clue...
Why don\'t they have a clue, because they don\'t agree with you?
I never once said Nintendo only makes Kiddy games, but they will target that market more than anyone else, and that is Nintendo\'s bread and butter.
agreed
Almost a cult it seems cause Nintendo fans get so upset when you tell them they ain\'t so great
Why aren\'t they great? Are Sony fans better? Why?
and the PS2 will always always have more from 3rd parties.
that\'s a very bold statement considering that 2 other systems aren\'t even out and about yet. But it\'s no use arguing with you...
There will be a load of crap on the PS2 as well cause thats how it works, but there will be more good and great games on the PS2 then the GC
Really? Once again, it\'s your opinion. Did you own a PSX? Did you think it had better games than everyone else because it had more developers. Sure it had a higher chance, but it didn\'t guarentee great games. I honestly hated my PSX, I only found 5 games to buy and I quickly got bored with them. I no longer have a PSX. But my N64 has a wealth of great games on it, and I wouldn\'t trade my N64 for anything. IMHO!!
Heck I believe Xbox will have more good and great games then Nintendo, and I hope this turns out to be true as well.
Shows you have a bias towards Nintendo...
I know GC will be $150- $200 doesn\'t surprise me a bit. The parents will be more attracted to a $150 machine then a $300 machine. Not to mention the PS2\'s inevitable price drop Nintendo just doesn\'t have much choice in the matter.
And with that price, I don\'t think Sony has a choice either.
And DON\'T tell me Nintendo doesn\'t sell any more. Did you see how many preorders there are in Japan for the Gameboy Advanced? Close to 3 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That\'s alot for a company who doesn\'t appeal to mass market (that one\'s for you ddaryl)
Nintendo will sell well in Japan, just not as well as the PS2.
Funny, no reason to back this up.
No I never said they would, but the PS2 will have way more games and way more games for the older Audience. Quite a bit more, and like I said before, The PS2 will have larger Library of good and great games. SO for the majority of gamers who only buy 1 console the choice won\'t be difficult at all.
but the PS2 will havew the larger library of great games. Thats painfully easy to see
Why is it guarenteed? Why couldn\'t all those games be duds. Why do a certain number of games HAVE TO BE great.
The Bottom line is Nintendo is a great company and will make Nintendo fans very happy.
Agreed. And hopefully by expanding their ideas to a mature audience, they will pick up some more gamers.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Why don\'t they have a clue, because they don\'t agree with you?
No they just don\'t have a clue....
Why aren\'t they great? Are Sony fans better? Why?
Nope there are asswipe PS2 fans and Xbox fans and DC fans as well.
and the PS2 will always always have more from 3rd parties.
that\'s a very bold statement considering that 2 other systems aren\'t even out and about yet. But it\'s no use arguing with you...{/quote]
Its not bold, Sony has everything moving forward. The userbase is already large considering its less than a year out and will have so much to offer, a huge library of great games, price breaks , brand recognition, DVD player out of box, and so forth that obviously point to this. If you can prove me wrong go ahead, but you can\'t....
There will be a load of crap on the PS2 as well cause thats how it works, but there will be more good and great games on the PS2 then the GC
Really? Once again, it\'s your opinion. Did you own a PSX? Did you think it had better games than everyone else because it had more developers. Sure it had a higher chance, but it didn\'t guarentee great games. I honestly hated my PSX, I only found 5 games to buy and I quickly got bored with them. I no longer have a PSX. But my N64 has a wealth of great games on it, and I wouldn\'t trade my N64 for anything. IMHO!!
Thats you but the fact PSX sold well over 2x\'s as much as the N64 already points to this. The fact that the majority of PSX fans we\'re extremly happy with the games they got to choose from overall. It maybe your opinion on whats better, and I\'m sure Nintendo fans will always say Nintendo is better regardless, but the mass majority DOES NOT THINK NINTENDO IS "THAT" GREAT.
Bold statement or not, its very obvious that the PS2 will have so much more than what the PSX offered even in its 1st years of existence. You might not agree, but the mass majority will be satisfied, prove me wrong if you like
Heck I believe Xbox will have more good and great games then Nintendo, and I hope this turns out to be true as well.
Shows you have a bias towards Nintendo...
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No it shows that I think/hope Xbox will offer better games.
I know GC will be $150- $200 doesn\'t surprise me a bit. The parents will be more attracted to a $150 machine then a $300 machine. Not to mention the PS2\'s inevitable price drop Nintendo just doesn\'t have much choice in the matter.
And with that price, I don\'t think Sony has a choice either.
I actually think SOny could drop the PS2 price down to $250 and still outsell GC at $150 during Xmas by a solid margin. The majority of PSX fans don\'t want a GC they want a PS2
And DON\'T tell me Nintendo doesn\'t sell any more. Did you see how many preorders there are in Japan for the Gameboy Advanced? Close to 3 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That\'s alot for a company who doesn\'t appeal to mass market (that one\'s for you ddaryl)
Nintendo will sell well in Japan, just not as well as the PS2.
Funny, no reason to back this up.
Can you prove me wrong, reports from a few different companies point to what I\'m saying, at least I have something to base my observation on. Not to mention the PS2 has shattered all records for console sales in a given year, and still sell on a very steady pace, we haven\'t even hit a price break yet...
No I never said they would, but the PS2 will have way more games and way more games for the older Audience. Quite a bit more, and like I said before, The PS2 will have larger Library of good and great games. SO for the majority of gamers who only buy 1 console the choice won\'t be difficult at all.
but the PS2 will havew the larger library of great games. Thats painfully easy to see
Why is it guarenteed? Why couldn\'t all those games be duds. Why do a certain number of games HAVE TO BE great.
But there will be a huge library of good and great games, c\'mon Ginko at least be realistic. There is so much cool stuff coming and the PS2 is still under a year old. Sure there will be Duds.
If you can prove to me they all be duds, then do it, but all just laugh hysterically. I know you don\'t really believe that
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I really hope that PS2 is great and has tons of good games to offer. I hope the same for GC.
Why can\'t there be equally good and impressive games coming out for GC? Why don\'t you think it\'s even a possibility? It\'s like you don\'t even consider that it will happen. I don\'t understand that.
I can\'t prove you wrong that the PS2 won\'t be the top console, or the GC will outsell. Same for you. There aren\'t any facts. 80% percent of this arguement is speculation.
Hey, DC broke records when it came out too. Who\'s too say GC and X-box can\'t break those records.
I really don\'t know where else to take this. We both have very different views on the subject and this isn\'t going any where. I could sit here and spew my opinion all night, but it wouldn\'t solve anything. Let\'s just agree to disagree and leave it alone.
Kudos...
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And I also wasn\'t saying that they will all be duds, but you can\'t expect and speculate that every 1 out of 5 will be good. Or just because this company is great, the game will be too.
Good games come when they come, and it\'s all in the eyes of the consumer. No one person can judge for a majority. WE all have different taste and views, otherwise we wouldn\'t be here discussing it.
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I know I said I would stop but one more thing...
You said Sony has everything moving forward. Brand recognition, DVD, great library, installed base, 3rd party developement.
I can tell you, and you know that GC will have a great library. Installed base, it will be significant. There are alot of Nintendo diehards. Brand recognition, Nintendo\'s go that too. And what some consider to be the best developement house in the world.
DVD is the only thing missing, and it\'s not that important for a gamer.
still not going any where, but I had to say it...sorry.
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Consoles breaks sales records every generation because gaming becomes exponentially more popular each generation. Like Ginko said the DC broke the Same sales records a year before and this is from a console that was coming from a company on the rebound.
IMHO, There will be one of two scenarios in this upcoming console war.
1. The most likely is that there will be two companies vying for the top spot with one company in an obvious third. Who the top two companies are can not be determined through speculation because there are too many factors involved.
2. There will be one clear cut winner who wins by a large margin. This also can not be determined through speculation. So anyone who says that a company will definately do something or definately not do something is talking out of their ass through a pair of streaky fanboy panties.
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Originally posted by Ginko
The reason the GC is so cheap to make is because it\'s hardware is mass produced. I think the Gekko is produced by IBM, I\'m not sure. They didn\'t have to build new factories for it, they outsourced...in business? Then you\'re familiar with the term. They did this for most of the parts on the GC. Making it cheaper to produce than the PS2.
Why couldn\'t they launch it at that price? Why can they sell PSX and N64 at 100$ and still be around, or making money? They make it up in software from having a large installed base. And the hardware is mass produced and cheap. Why would it be so hard to make, or have, these parts so early in a system\'s life?
While I\'m not saying that the GC WILL launch at 150$, I honestly think it will be 200$, nothing more. But 150 sure is attractive, and would appeal to ALOT of people. Thus getting a big installed base quickly and a return in profit fast.
By the way, is Sony making profit yet? (I\'m just curious, don\'t take it offensively)
so i take it that your saying that the other consoles won\'t be mass produced ? :laughing:
Look at mt Economices class 101 again and see if they realy could make a profit on launch day iwth a STARTING price of $150.
ECONOMICS REVISION 101
SIMPLIFIED VERSION !
they make a GC at $100 say
they sell it to EB or game\'s stores for $130
They then sell it at $150
Total profit per unit for Nintendo $30
Total profit for stores $20
and thats not including shipping costs , Tax , Land Tax for the Nintendo empire, Wages for the workers, money for PR and Ad\'s, Money for Recerch and development, etc etc etc
i can here Nintendo saying " oh please please take my money away, i don\'t need it"
well if you want to beleve a story from a total unofficial source, well so be it, but don\'t acuse the rest of us of being BIASED, Because we see this news as it realy is BS.
$150 for a Game Cube do me a favour ?
if it is "REALY" going to be thatprice then ill wait for some total Dumm@ss to trade hisin and get one for £50 plus 2 games ;)
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Why does Nintendo have to make profit off the hardware? Sony doesn\'t make any profit from the PS2. It\'s sold at like an 80 dollar loss or something like that. DC was sold at a loss from it\'s very start too. Not too mention the 150 dollar rebate when you sign up for Seganet. But Sega\'s plan was to make it up with online subscription and software sales. If Sega had money, they would still be pushing the DC and this deal for everything it\'s worth. But they don\'t have the resources to do it.
Now Nintendo is a different Story. They have money, and with what the GBA will produce, they will have even more money. Their primary goal is to get the hardware out the door and into a lot of homes. With so many consoles out at one time, they need something to stand extremely out and be the next must-have. Once they establish a large user base, the software will eventually turn profit. It will have to be like a 10:1 to do it, but it\'s Nintendo, they can sell a game easily.
Sincerly,
Ginko, the guy with the foot in his mouth and talking from another orface that 00seven hopes is his mouth. :laughing:
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Why dose Nintendo have to make a profit on their hardware ?
DON\'T KNOW BETTER ASK SEGA THAT ONE
seing that it was this same problem that put the end to the Dreamcast, it was not over all or average sales.
it was the fact that they where making a loss on every system build, and that was before people gott a chance to even buy it.
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As for the PS2 being mass produced. If I\'m not mistaken. One of the hardware components for the PS2 had to be made in brand new factories and were very expensive. Now that the PS2 is selling, the chip costs is going down because of the large bulk it\'s selling in.
I don\'t know for sure, but I heard IBM has produced alot of stuff including these chips for the GC. They don\'t need new factories, the chip has been ordered in a huge bulk so to drive down costs.
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THE PS2 IS SOLD AT A LOSS. WHY CAN THIS HAPPEN? BECAUSE SONY HAS MONEY TO KEEP GOING. Eventually, the software sales will eclipse the hardware loss. It\'s called profit.
WHY DID DC GO DOWN? BECAUSE SEGA COULDN\'T SURVIVE TO LOSE ANY MORE MONEY! They were in debt, the games were selling and making profit but not enough. Sega is way too deep in debt.
DOES NINTENDO HAVE MONEY? ****LOADS! CAN IT STAND A LOSS FOR A WHILE? YES. As the GC is more mass produced, it will become cheaper to make. Eventually equalling that nice little price tag of 150$. Then it\'s all profit.
But, once again, I\'m not saying it will be 150. Just don\'t rule it out.
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Originally posted by Ginko
As for the PS2 being mass produced. If I\'m not mistaken. One of the hardware components for the PS2 had to be made in brand new factories and were very expensive. Now that the PS2 is selling, the chip costs is going down because of the large bulk it\'s selling in.
I don\'t know for sure, but I heard IBM has produced alot of stuff including these chips for the GC. They don\'t need new factories, the chip has been ordered in a huge bulk so to drive down costs.
Get Real Fanboy
"I don\'t know for sure, but I heard IBM has produced alot of stuff including these chips for the GC. They don\'t need new factories, the chip has been ordered in a huge bulk so to drive down costs."
this dummass thinks you can just make them in a garden shed !
Yeh i can just see it the CEO of Nintendo and his managers workin in their very own sweat shop which is infested with ROACHES, with nothing more in the world apart from the shirts on their backs.
P.S.
The fact that they have built factoryies is nothing to do with the price of the PS2 !
Oh maybe it\'s the fact that it can
play the PS2 games
DVD moives
and the SX games too boot.
plus you can\'t blame that for the "high" price of PS2, it due to the fact if they did release it at a low price they would face the same problems as explained above.
All companyes make a loss on there system to start of with it takes a long time to get established.
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Originally posted by Ginko
THE PS2 IS SOLD AT A LOSS. WHY CAN THIS HAPPEN? BECAUSE SONY HAS MONEY TO KEEP GOING. Eventually, the software sales will eclipse the hardware loss. It\'s called profit.
Sony do more than make consoles you know, plus they havethe PSone and Playstation sales to help, plus the PS2 is Still Selling
WHY DID DC GO DOWN? BECAUSE SEGA COULDN\'T SURVIVE TO LOSE ANY MORE MONEY! They were in debt, the games were selling and making profit but not enough. Sega is way too deep in debt.
Again thats my argument why a GC being sold at launch at $150 will fail.
DOES NINTENDO HAVE MONEY? ****LOADS! CAN IT STAND A LOSS FOR A WHILE? YES. As the GC is more mass produced, it will become cheaper to make. Eventually equalling that nice little price tag of 150$. Then it\'s all profit.
But, once again, I\'m not saying it will be 150. Just don\'t rule it out. [/B]
GET REAL it\'s NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
what are nintendo going to sell them at $50 in a years time ?
ill think you will find they will be able to MAKE it for around $150 to $200
AND SELL IT FOR $300 to £350 at launch day.
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Originally posted by ooseven
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this dummass thinks you can just make them in a garden shed !
name calling, you must be on your last breath. IBM already has the factories built, they are already producing the chip in mass bulk. The PS2 needed new factories to build it\'s chip, thus consuming time and more money. I think the total for the factories was around 800 million. Yeah, that didn\'t have a price effect.
play the PS2 games
DVD moives
and the SX games too boot.
Yeah, and Nintendo doesn\'t have the extras in there. Thus cutting down the cost. Why do you think they opted not to throw in a DVD drive? I\'ll give you a hint: it has something to do with the cost.;)
plus you can\'t blame that for the "high" price of PS2, it due to the fact if they did release it at a low price they would face the same problems as explained above.
They released as low as possible. It\'s still not turning profit yet. The hardware is still at a loss, the software will eventually make up for that loss.
All companyes make a loss on there system to start of with it takes a long time to get established.
Exactly what I said earlier. Now why can\'t Nintendo do it. Look at what you get for 300 Dollars. A PS2, DVD movie player, PSX player, CD player. Now take all that out except the PS2 and what would expect to pay for it.( A Basic gaming only machine)
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ok let me just say that you have realy proven yourself a fanboy by all of your statments, to Beleve a total Rumour and then to Flame everyone that disagreas with you has proven what you realy are.
Why don\'t you just listen to Reason !
there is no why that you will ever get a Console being sold at $150 at launch.
Now take Heed that way you don\'t get your hope\'s dashed come Gameube launch day, youwill be :crying: like the little fanboy that you are.
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Originally posted by ooseven
Sony do more than make consoles you know, plus they havethe PSone and Playstation sales to help, plus the PS2 is Still Selling
Nintendo still has the 64, Gameboy, and soon to be best selling GBA. Nintendo has money.
WHY DID DC GO DOWN? BECAUSE SEGA COULDN\'T SURVIVE TO LOSE ANY MORE MONEY! They were in debt, the games were selling and making profit but not enough. Sega is way too deep in debt.
I think the DC was sold at a 70 dollar loss, or something like that. Now I know that the PS2 is being sold at an 80 dollar loss. Why did they do this, they looked to the future and saw that eventually it will turn profit. Sega didn\'t have the money to keep selling the hardware at a loss, and the software wasn\'t selling enough to keep afloat. The PS2 came out, Sega had no choice but to drop price to hopefully get into more homes, to sell more software and eventually turn profit. Sega was just in a bad place.
DOES NINTENDO HAVE MONEY? ****LOADS! CAN IT STAND A LOSS FOR A WHILE? YES. As the GC is more mass produced, it will become cheaper to make. Eventually equalling that nice little price tag of 150$. Then it\'s all profit.
But, once again, I\'m not saying it will be 150. Just don\'t rule it out. [/B]
GET REAL it\'s NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. You still haven\'t given me a good reason why.
what are nintendo going to sell them at $50 in a years time ?
It will probably stay at the 150 price tag for a good long while until the cost and sales even out.
ill think you will find they will be able to MAKE it for around $150 to $200
AND SELL IT FOR $300 to £350 at launch day.
It WILL NOT BE 300 dollars on launch day. I give you my word it will not. Why would it be, what extras does it have that could sell at that price? It is just a game machine.
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And you have proven yourself a Sony fanboy by calling every Nintendo fan an idiot for hoping. And I didn\'t flame, I gave reason why. I never called anyone a dumbass or something like you did.
Cry over a console launch price?!? Why would I do that? It\'s just a console.
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Originally posted by Ginko
And you have proven yourself a Sony fanboy by calling every Nintendo fan an idiot for hoping. And I didn\'t flame, I gave reason why. I never called anyone a dumbass or something like you did.
Cry over a console launch price?!? Why would I do that? It\'s just a console.
Me a Sony Fanboy ?
You will be playing your Games through a straw for that :mad:
j/k
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Originally posted by ooseven
You will be playing your Games through a straw for that :mad:
j/k
What is that a threat? Just remember dat from Panda Express to HMV be Indrema turf. Keep out and we cool. :D
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this topic is too long.
Edit: And this spam is not helping anything at all. Don\'t post crap like this again.