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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: ProfessorX on February 27, 2001, 10:50:04 AM
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http://www.nvidia.com/pages.nsf/pages/geforce3_games_inevitable
Xbox will look even better than this!
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Right! And PS2 games looks like the realtime demo of the dancescene in FFXIII.............
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Well, those pic\'s are from the developer "Inevitable" who are also developing for the PS2. We will hopefully see both PS2 AND Xbox screens and then we will really see.
I have no doubt the Xbox\'s graphics will be sa-weet, but I do have some reservations about the Xbox having pixel shading and all that. If it\'s a standard for Nvida I guess it will, but if it costs more to integrate maybe it won\'t. I have no clue. It would be nice to get conformation on the exact preformance of the GS that will be in the Xbox, and not just Nvida\'s specs alone, especially since according to the official xbox site the GS is said to be a "joint" Nvidia/MS chip. That could mean certain specs or features are altered or even omitted to keep costs down.
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Right! And PS2 games looks like the realtime demo of the dancescene in FFXIII.............
wow FF Thirteen - whoo hooo - j/k
i know you meant VIII instead of XIII
i think that those pictures are pretty nice looking - and it seems that PC once again will make a leap ahead of consoles
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how much money will i need to spend on a computer to get those kinds of graphics at a decent frame rate?
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The card itself is $600. It comes out for the Mac first, and if you want best performance get the 733G4 model. So, over $3,000.
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I don\'t see the need to get one, i\'ll buy a Geforce 3 when the power will actually ne used. And I don\'t believe for a split second x-box will look as good as that, keep dreaming.
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I\'ll probly buy it.I have a need to stay up to date even if it\'ll leave me flat broke :( I have a sickness
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
http://www.nvidia.com/pages.nsf/pages/geforce3_games_inevitable
Xbox will look even better than this!
Hmmm seing that the Card in the X Box will not be a Ge force 3 it\'s hard to see why the screens on it will look as good as them if not better.
Also seeing that the ge force 3 will be out for Apple mac first, will kind of put a dammper on this seeing there fealings on Microsoft.
and yeah Living-In-Clip your right.
$600 for the card ?
whats the X box going to be launched at :rolleyes:.
plus there is the added fact there Microsoft have already chosen there Card for the X box :rolleyes:.
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Originally posted by nO-One
I\'ll probly buy it.I have a need to stay up to date even if it\'ll leave me flat broke :( I have a sickness
Me too man, Me too.
:(
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IF the x-box looks better then this..
HOW ON EARTH WILL IT BE 300 DOLLARS!?!?
That price does not include the
Modem
Hardrive
Pentium 3
Casing/Fans Mounting etc..
DVD Drive
Controller Ports
How is it possible...
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Ummm my fellow PSX2central poster
The NVidia chipset in the XBox is a generation ahead of the the Geforce3. Xbox games will look better than this
I can not believe the huge denial factor some of you guys have. I\'m starting to wonder if you all just hope they don\'t look this good, so it makes it easier to resist buying one.
No Xbox game is runing off final dev kits and the screens from CES we\'re on par or better then any current PS2 game
as for the price, MS will take a huge loss on every unit. I don\'t think MS even cares if they make a profit at all this generation because they are trying to get there foot in the door. ALso a PIII is dirt cheap compared to the EE, the NVidia GPU is being R+D with MS money in advance so MS will get them at cost while NVidia makes profit on PC cards, Harddrives are dirt cheap when you buy a few million as is 64mb of mem chips
Not to mention Mexican and Hungarian Production plants which reduces production costs.
Believe it people Xbox will easily be no more than $300, and more then likely on par with the PS2
MS\'s Gamestock is March 13 and they\'ll show off about a 12 games so more info will be avaialble soon.
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ddaryl, you have become a MS fanboy
even defending them in the IGN ps2 forum,
of which people flammed you
you gave no good reasons why it would be 300 dollars.. I have lot all respect in you and thats why i\'m leaving this forum... thanks for nothing
for anybody that cares to see what ddaryl has become...
http://boards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=3128606&replies=42
BTW, ddaryl
MS is all about money
if they don\'t make money, their stock plunders
they are spending 500 million on advertising
gamespot said the geforce 3 is hard and expensive to produce... the x-box won\'t be cheap
MS HAS to make money... thats how it works, its really sad what you have become
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I can\'t say the character models are very impressive. The realtime shadow projection is nice tho\'. but whats really amazing is the bump-mapped,per pixelized, shading anti-aliased, geomodded, textures on the wings. They almost look like a real copper sheet, with realistic folds, and wrinkles and what not.
I might just buy one of these for my 90 mhz compaq pc. :D
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You guys need to attend business school!
1. the chip in the Xbox is one generation ahead of the NV20!
Learn about it before you speak! Your so damn blind
from false propoganda that you don\'t even bother to
research the **** you talk about!
2. When you order 20-30 million of the GPU\'s from Nvidia
it tends to lower the price a JUST A LITTLE BIT.
Oh yeah throw in a cool 200 million in cash that they
paid for in advance! Which is explained in MS\'s 4th
quarter financial report!
3. Oh yeah do you guys know what the word subsidize means?
Come back here and let me know if you do because Sony
also does it on every single PS2 made to bring it to
market at a resonable price!
4. DDaryl isn\'t a fanboy and neither am I! He is just
unbiased! I have a PS2 and have alot of fun with it but
Xbox is going to be a great machine and there is
nothing you can say or do about it. **** man grow up!
5. Damn all that schooling and not one bad word about PS2!
Very amusing guys...very amusing!
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nv2a a generation ahead of nv20?...LOL
it\'s going to be faster and that\'s it(same graphic level of nv20 but will run it at 60fps;))
geforce3(pc version) is pretty amazing..and no it will not cost 600$ for us PC users(hercules prophetIII: 529$...very good price for this card i expected something in the 600+$ range) and the prophet III will be here march...i\'m getting one.
geforce3...AMD athlon 800mhz..asus mobo..256MB pc133 ram...i\'m set for the next 2 years:D
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Ok, the thing I don\'t understand is.. if the NV2A is going to be a full generation ahead of the NV20, then how will that power translate into a game console with a CPU that\'s going to be as old as dirt in (in computer time) by the time it\'s released?
I mean, everything I\'ve seen and heard about the G4 indicates that it blows away the Pentium III.. outpreforming a 1.5ghz chip while running at only 500mhz. Now I know that the PIII in the Xbox is going to be slightly modified to handle the load better, but it\'s still going to be dogging the system down when compaired to the other processors MS COULD have put in it.
So what I\'m getting at is that while the GeForce3 working with the G4 can produce those kind of graphics, how is the 733(I think)mhz PIII in the Xbox going to handle an even more advanced GPU? Most Xbox fans I talk to say that the PIII won\'t be bearing any significant workload like the EE in the PS2 does, and the NV2A is what will really be pusing the Xbox. What will the preformance loss be? If the card is a generation ahead of the GeForce3, but takes on twice the workload, wouldn\'t that represent a huge bottleneck in the system? Is that why MS and Nivida are making the Xbox GPU a full generation ahead of the GeForce3.. because the inadequacies of the rest of the hardware will cut the NV2A\'s preformance down to the level of what we\'re seeing in the GeForce3 tech demos?
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as for the price, MS will take a huge loss on every unit. I don\'t think MS even cares if they make a profit at all this generation because they are trying to get there foot in the door.
Yeah but the Shareholders will tare Gates a new Rectum if MS stock starts to take a swan dive.
Note
the PS2 had a massive drop in share value when it was reveled that only a hand full of PSX games would not work on the new console.
MS Will make a loss and it will effect them , remember Gates has the money they don\'t
and yeah everyone is right DDyral you are tuning into a Microsoft Fan Boy?
i beleve that can be fatal For Moderator, seeing that you ARE meant to keep order and not just pour Ligher fuel on a flame war.
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1) Ddaryl isn\'t a Xbox fanboy. People who think so might want to look in a mirror to see if they themselves aren\'t the problem...
2) The GPU in Xbox is even better/faster/more advanced than the GF3.
3) MS has LOTS of money. They can sell Xbox with a loss if they want to. Plus the fact that they buy in bulk numbers (millions) - they don\'t exactly pay the same price as consumers.
4) Stop being so worried about Xbox and either:
a) Buy the thing and enjoy lots of great games, graphics and online games.
b) Don\'t buy one and be happy with what you\'ve got.
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Orginially posted by SonyFan:
I mean, everything I\'ve seen and heard about the G4 indicates that it blows away the Pentium III.. outpreforming a 1.5ghz chip while running at only 500mhz. Now I know that the PIII in the Xbox is going to be slightly modified to handle the load better, but it\'s still going to be dogging the system down when compaired to the other processors MS COULD have put in it.
So what I\'m getting at is that while the GeForce3 working with the G4 can produce those kind of graphics, how is the 733(I think)mhz PIII in the Xbox going to handle an even more advanced GPU? Most Xbox fans I talk to say that the PIII won\'t be bearing any significant workload like the EE in the PS2 does, and the NV2A is what will really be pusing the Xbox. What will the preformance loss be? If the card is a generation ahead of the GeForce3, but takes on twice the workload, wouldn\'t that represent a huge bottleneck in the system? Is that why MS and Nivida are making the Xbox GPU a full generation ahead of the GeForce3.. because the inadequacies of the rest of the hardware will cut the NV2A\'s preformance down to the level of what we\'re seeing in the GeForce3 tech demos?
You know this is actually a great question and it is one that I asked myself early on!
One thing that is great about the Xbox is that the PIII is for AI and small routines only! In a PC the CPU calculates the meshes for a model, in the Xbox the GPU will use do that work and do it several times faster than the CPU. I\'ll explain:
**If you have a monster 3d acclerator (GF2 GTS or higher
and you see slowdown its because the CPU is calculating
the meshes and T&L engine is saying "bring it faster"
but because of PC architecture you are slowed down not
only by bus constraints,memory bandwidth,CPU. With the
NV20 the memory bandwidth is solved with the memory
crossbar but the PC still has a bottleneck in AGP bus.
And as far the CPU the T&L engine is more than ample to
handle the mesh drawings which a texture mapped and
ready to go for animation! The bus problem is also
solved by AMD\'s \'Hypertransport\' technology.
So when the T&L is free to do the meshes then the models will be drawn much faster then you have more triangles per second. Hope this helps!
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Originally posted by Samwise
1) Ddaryl isn\'t a Xbox fanboy. People who think so might want to look in a mirror to see if they themselves aren\'t the problem...
2) The GPU in Xbox is even better/faster/more advanced than the GF3.
3) MS has LOTS of money. They can sell Xbox with a loss if they want to. Plus the fact that they buy in bulk numbers (millions) - they don\'t exactly pay the same price as consumers.
4) Stop being so worried about Xbox and either:
a) Buy the thing and enjoy lots of great games, graphics and online games.
b) Don\'t buy one and be happy with what you\'ve got.
Sorry Samwise but i said
and yeah everyone is right DDyral you are tuning into a Microsoft Fan Boy?
i beleve that can be fatal For Moderator, seeing that you ARE meant to keep order and not just pour Ligher fuel on a flame war.
and it is true, i only said he is starting to sound like a fanboy from what i am hearing ( HENCE THE ?) :mad: (sorry if my grammar is not up to scrath :mad: ), plus he should defuse a situation like this rather and add more fire to the debate, He is a Mod after all and you guys have to keep order.
p.s.
i am not trying to tell you guys how to run this, but shoulden\'t this be in the Console Debating Forum ?
this is one of many threads that have been incorrectly posted, off topic should be light hearted and not full on console DEBATING !
please do something about this !
i don\'t see why ProfessorX Should be imune to the rules like the rest of us.
Plus ProfessorX, please remeber the Console debating forum is for talk about OTHER consoles, Seeing that this is a PLAYSTATION 2 site, it is hard to see why X BOX news should take priority over everything else.
IF you want X Box news and debate then GO TO A X BOX FORUM !
SO JOIN MY SAVE THE OFF TOPIC FORUM GROUP
and stop posting anything that can be regarded as Serious :(.
IT IS MEANT TO BE OFF TOPIC AFTER ALL !
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Move this thread to console debating.
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
Move this thread to console debating.
Thanks You ProfessorX, you have gained much repect from me for that post.
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Well, sorry to disappoint, but technically this post belongs in off-topic. It was about GeForce 3, not Xbox. So it\'s not console debating but a discussion about a graphics card. But now it\'s kinda about Xbox, so perhaps I\'ll move it. For now I\'ll leave it though.
And I still don\'t believe Ddaryl is a fanboy. Just because he\'s a mod doesn\'t mean he doesn\'t have opinions or that he has to swallow all Pro-PS2 / Anti-Xbox talk. Just because he doesn\'t say "Yeah, Xbox sucks" doesn\'t mean he\'s a fanboy. Quite the opposite in fact.
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ok then point taken, that gose for DDyarl and the Ge Force 3 card.
it was not the fault of DDyarl or anyone else that this post started as a Ge force 3 thread, and then developed in to a X Box thread.
But you do have to agree that it is a little ot in Depth for a Off topic Thread, theyre meant to be fun and light hearted :(.
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Ok, I\'ll move this into Console Debating, seeing as how it\'s mostly about Xbox. :)
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Thank you Samwise, you and DDyarl have earned even more respect from me for that move :D.
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That is a given, otherwise it will never launch. How much better is still up in the air, as is whether it will make a dent in PS2\'s market share. While I find fishy the claim the xbox will include a card that performs better than the gforce3 and still sell in $300 dollar range, I also find it completely plausible. A loss of several billion $$$ for the next few years is not so mind boggling or foolish considering the potential payoff involved. The number of video game and internet users is still in the early stage of a steep growth curve not soon to be halted, short of a major world wide disaster. MS wanting as big a share as it can grab is nothing to squabble over. It only means keeping Sony on [their] toes to force out the best PS2 can offer ASAP, ushering in the on time arrival of the PS3.
Chrono, what are you thinking? That Billy is a baaaad man, his console will have to be over priced or noooo good, ddaryl must be a MS sucker turncoat or mole? Stop feeding the hate. It really bothers me to see a mind as fine as ddaryl\'s catching crap for looking forward to the xbox, especially when it comes from another good head like yours, Chrono. Hate blinds. We must endeavor to keep it from our sight.
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Originally posted by Chrono
ddaryl, you have become a MS fanboy
even defending them in the IGN ps2 forum,
of which people flammed you
you gave no good reasons why it would be 300 dollars.. I have lot all respect in you and thats why i\'m leaving this forum... thanks for nothing
for anybody that cares to see what ddaryl has become...
http://boards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=3128606&replies=42
BTW, ddaryl
MS is all about money
if they don\'t make money, their stock plunders
they are spending 500 million on advertising
gamespot said the geforce 3 is hard and expensive to produce... the x-box won\'t be cheap
MS HAS to make money... thats how it works, its really sad what you have become
Whats sad is a few things. This contast fighting bewteen you two. Also why do you get the notion that MS is only about money? Well, they are. But so is Sony. Sony doesn\'t care about gamers. They are a company. Nothing more.
And MS won\'t launch at over $300. It can\'t compete with a high price tag over that. Just my opinion.
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I dunno, I think Xbox will be successful even if they launch for over 300 dollars. Expecially considering that everyone who bought a MS product after 6/00 is contractually bound to have make an Xbox purchase upon it\'s release. Anyone failing to do so will be fined up to 2,000 dollars. You guys should really learn to read the "Terms and Conditions" boxes that pop up when you install new MS software. j/k :D
Really, I don\'t see why everyone is getting so bent out of shape over other members getting a bit excited about the Xbox. It\'s just a console after all, a heap of plastic and circitry. F*ck it, I hope they are successful with the Xbox. That\'s more competition to make future games from all the different companies better. I mean, why are we all Sony Playstation fans anyway? Because we think they\'ll win this little pissant war? No, it\'s because we\'re looking forward to some kick ass games, and as long as Sony can deliver those games.. why should anyone care what else happens in the gaming community?
As far as I\'m concerned, I\'m still not buying an Xbox. I really don\'t care for MS as a company, and I don\'t see anything substancial that it\'s offering that Sega and Sony aren\'t already providing. That\'s just me though. If and when Xbox can prove to me that it\'s worth the extra money, then I\'ll look into it. But just because I\'m not excited about it, dosen\'t mean I have to be stupid enough to think that everyone should see things my way.
Granted this is a PS2 oriented forum, but moreover it\'s a gamer\'s forum and as long as the main forum, which is dedicated to PS2, isn\'t constantly clogged by Xbox, Sega, and Nintnedo threads.. then I don\'t see any reason to not allow people to ocassionally chat about other consoles they are excited about without getting treated like their on trial.
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I remember when someone asked Bill Gates if the X-Box will cost more than the PS2 he said, "Well, You get more stuff." Take what you want from that but to me he is saying it is going to cost more but that is just because it has more stuff.
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No, no, Gohan. Billy didn\'t say that. You\'re confusing it with a quote taken from J.Allard, where he was asked about the price of the Xbox compared to the PS2. He replied with a question, asking if the PS2 had a built-in HDD and Ethernet Adapter + a totally kick ass GPU. Thereby sparking speculation about the true meaning of "competitive price".
In any case, the Xbox in my honest opinion is, a juggernaut. A force as unstoppable as the Borg. You will all be assimilated!!! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!
Muahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahhaha!!!!
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guys face it...xbox is better than is ps2 in terms of graphics. I agree with all darylls points. Micorsoft isn\'t dumb ya know, 400 will kill it! J. Allard knows this
and stop being baised respect all consoles and have fun ;)
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U know what? There are a lot of stupid fanboys in this forum.
So many times I have read fanboys rehashing the same pointless argument (in no particular order):
1) Xbox Suks
2) MS Sucks
3) Sony kiks ass
4) Xbox Sucks (spelled differently)
5) Xbox will cost more than $300
6) PS2 graphix rocks
7) Daryll is an Xbox fanboy
8) I\'m never gonna buy Xbox cause I hate microsoft...
Think of something new and stop pissing in your pants about the Xbox. In the end, if MS builds a better console (which all indications show that it will), then us as gamers will win.
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Welcome to the conversation CrazyDesi,
yea i agree totally with you- although i don\'t enjoy microsoft or most of their software or the way they run their business
i think that the Xbox will be a great consoles with great games just as the Gamecube will be also - people get so upset over something becuase they feel that the Xbox might beat their PS2 - well if it does then it does - just forget about it and enjoy your PS2 - i know i will enjoy and already am
as the saying goes "Don\'t Worry Be Happy"...:o