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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Kituka on March 09, 2001, 08:16:34 PM
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http://xbox.ign.com/news/32255.html
Let me see it running on Xbox hardware first......Still, I can\'t wait till Monday, when Gamestock starts!!!
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Graphics don\'t mean everything. Lets see how the game plays.
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Originally posted by Kituka
http://xbox.ign.com/news/32255.html
Let me see it running on Xbox hardware first......Still, I can\'t wait till Monday, when Gamestock starts!!!
Will this game be shown at Gamestock ????
I\'d like to see 16,000 poly cars myself...
Well I should have a better idea on how much I want an Xbox after next week.
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Yea, it\'ll be shown at Gamestock. 16,000 polygons just for each car!!!! Christ, how much for the environments?!?!?!?!?!
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well if the game is only a "oddworld / Malice" graphics leap,i won\'t be as excited,it better come out guns blazing to make any impression with me,because it\'s going to take alot to superceed GT3\'s looks alone
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Originally posted by MeTaL=DeaTh
well if the game is only a "oddworld / Malice" graphics leap,i won\'t be as excited,it better come out guns blazing to make any impression with me,because it\'s going to take alot to superceed GT3\'s looks alone
You do realize that both those games we\'re running on very incomplete dev kits
Xbox should be able to significantly improve upon what we\'ve already seen
If it doesn\'t then its over for Xbox
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yes i know the dev kits aren\'t complete,but the game as you see them will not vary too much from what was shown (of course we all know the final look should slightly improve,all games usually do). i\'m talking in terms of graphical leap (using them as reference only,not judging their final form) compared to GT3 that\'s all,it better impress the hell out of everyone or this supposed hype is going to kick back harder than what it is dishing out...
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on that site that talked about x-box racing game it said that the GT3 cars have 2-4000 polys and thats a lie
they have around 12-15000 polys they werent even close
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I have to see this one.
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I wont beleve it untill i see it!
This is as realistic as it gets!
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I have seen better screens :)
You should see this game in motion :D *drooling*
I got a rolling demo with the l8test PSW! Its awesome! The Honda S2000 rocks!
/FASTson
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Originally posted by Bozco
on that site that talked about x-box racing game it said that the GT3 cars have 2-4000 polys and thats a lie
they have around 12-15000 polys they werent even close
that\'s not true, the gt3 cars have 4000-5000 polygons (which is enough IMO, cause in the playable I have, U can zoom in on every part of the car, and I couldn\'t find a single spot, where the polygonal edge could be spotted, (unless it\'s used to be seen of course))
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GT3 cars use between 5 000- 8 000 polygons!
Mostley 6 000 polys per car!
/FASTson
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i read in several different magazines that they have over 10000
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Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
Graphics don\'t mean everything. Lets see how the game plays.
Right! I think some people are out of mind here...I mean...GT3 is the creature of a authentic genius and we are speaking about a GT3-Killer game made by Bizarre Creations :rolleyes:
Yea, it\'ll be shown at Gamestock. 16,000 polygons just for each car!!!! Christ, how much for the environments?!?!?!?!?!
If you spend a lot of power in Physics,AI,realism,ecc,you can\'t have more than 4-5000 polys for each car just in this generation of games...but if you use most of the power to amaze people with a high number of polys,neglecting realism,physics and bla bla...then you can have even 16,000 polygons for each car;it depends how developers use the available power!
However I\'d like to make some little questions for people who seem a little confused...
- Do you think a hypothetical dreary platform game on X-Box made by a decent developer with 16.000 polys for the main character can beat Mario64 on the Nintendo 64?
- Do you think more polys alone do better games?
- Don\'t you realize you have to turn-on your brain before speaking?
- Isn\'t it a main forum? :rolleyes:
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umm, this is by the guys who made MSR for DC. and that game is godly. Expect good things out of this game, very good things!
Eric Jacob
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remember that GCN demo from spacworld which had 12 cars on screen each with 12-14k polygons? do they come close to the REALISTIC look GT3 has?...nope.
same will be true for this pathetic at best xbox game.
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What silly people. Thinking that their "godly" racing game can\'t be outdone. It will happen...oh, yes it will. Maybe not by this game but some day.
Bizarre is very good at making games, MSR is a VERY GOOD game. But it took them 3 years to make it. Don\'t expect too see this beast until late 2002 at earliest.
"If you spend a lot of power in Physics,AI,realism,ecc,you can\'t have more than 4-5000 polys for each car just in this generation of games."
Maybe not on PS2...
Metal Death...Malice doesn\'t impress you??!?!?
I think it looks way beyond anything currently being done.
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Malice is above everything above anything I have seen on PS2 in terms of bump surfaces and characers that cast shadows onto themselves.
N-player, dont right this game off because it is for the X-Box, Bizarre is a very good developer, and it will be no crap game, it may not have all the crap that GT3 has, but why should it, it\'s an arcade game, isnt it?
Eric Jacob
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I do not need to talk about gameplay because GT3 murders every racing game on the planet and any game coming(until GT4 that is;))....
malice looks pathetic....zelda demo destroys it...not only that but the art looks HORRIBLE(makes me puke)...if this looks (good) for xbox...LOL
it\'s all about nintendo vs sony this gen..
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Originally posted by Ginko
What silly people. Thinking that their "godly" racing game can\'t be outdone. It will happen...oh, yes it will. Maybe not by this game but some day.
Agreed! GT3 will be outdone by GT4 :D :)...
Bizarre is a good developer but you should know the difference between a genius and a good developer...I\'m repeating myself...for example...Naughty Dog are good developers,really talented,and I\'m confident their secret action-platform will be something really BIG but my opinion is=they have no chance to beat Mario on the NGC!...Why? Because Nintendo is truly a milestone in platform,they perfectly know how to do a perfect platform...in a word...Nintendo is a Genius in Platforms!!!
No way People,only who put "his soul" in a game can produce a wonderful game,unique in its genre! Nintendo,Sega,Kojima,Kazunori Yamauchi for example can do it! Naughty Dog,Bizarre Creation,EA...mmm Nope! ...well...great games...yes...but not Masterpieces!.....This is my opinion...
"If you spend a lot of power in Physics,AI,realism,ecc,you can\'t have more than 4-5000 polys for each car just in this generation of games."
Maybe not on PS2...
Let\'s wait and see what X-Box can really do...I\'m the first to be curious:D
Metal Death...Malice doesn\'t impress you??!?!?
I think it looks way beyond anything currently being done.
Nope,I\'m not impressed...but I hope to see a "Super Doom" on the X-Box...the movie has impressed me:)
I want the exclusive titles of the X-Box,not port-games like MGSX or Silent Hill X or platform like Malice...I have got a PS2 to play them and I\'m going to buy a GC to play the Best Platform ever!:D
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umm, this is by the guys who made MSR for DC. and that game is godly
I beg to differ... and while I wanted to write a nice in-depth post as to why I think MSR is a pile of ****. I\'ll hold off, there\'s simply no point. Everyone has the right to think what they want.
Anyhow, regarding the topic,. I\'ll believe it when I see it, and running too. (@ 60fps)
It\'s cool though, 16k polygons for one car on the screen at a time, and 200 polygons for the enviroment. ;)
Let\'s see, 16k polygons /car.. Assuming there\'s @ least 6 cars on the screen running @ 60fps, that\'s 5.7 million polygons just on the cars alone. Not taking into account how many polys the enviroments will have plus physics/ai/etc. Like I said, I\'ll believe it when I see it running, and since the xbox is the \'ever-so-powerful\' system, 30fps better be out of the question.
- dm
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To whoever said "Agreed! GT3 will be outdone by GT4 ...
Bizarre is a good developer but you should know the difference between a genius and a good developer...I\'m repeating myself...for example...Naughty Dog are good developers,really talented,and I\'m confident their secret action-platform will be something really BIG but my opinion is=they have no chance to beat Mario on the NGC!...Why? Because Nintendo is truly a milestone in platform,they perfectly know how to do a perfect platform...in a word...Nintendo is a Genius in Platforms!!!
No way People,only who put "his soul" in a game can produce a wonderful game,unique in its genre! Nintendo,Sega,Kojima,Kazunori Yamauchi for example can do it! Naughty Dog,Bizarre Creation,EA...mmm Nope! ...well...great games...yes...but not Masterpieces!.....This is my opinion"
Okay, but the developer just came about in the last few years. Who was king before that? That\'s irrelevant, but anyway, it seems they were dethroned as king when GT came out. Who\'s too say it can\'t happen again.
And I stand by what I say, the GT series will be out done someday.And personally, I though Banjo-Kazooie was leaps and bounds better than Mario...
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Originally posted by Ginko
What silly people. Thinking that their "godly" racing game can\'t be outdone. It will happen...oh, yes it will. Maybe not by this game but some day.
Bizarre is very good at making games, MSR is a VERY GOOD game. But it took them 3 years to make it. Don\'t expect too see this beast until late 2002 at earliest.
"If you spend a lot of power in Physics,AI,realism,ecc,you can\'t have more than 4-5000 polys for each car just in this generation of games."
Maybe not on PS2...
Metal Death...Malice doesn\'t impress you??!?!?
I think it looks way beyond anything currently being done.
are you sure Gran Turismo will be outdone Ginko?? good luck waiting for that to happen,i would almost gamble on that phrase,odds are way in my favor! it will take more than polygons to win that war. also do not put words in my mouth..er..forum text,i never said Malice didn\'t impress me? how could i,haven\'t played it and if you noticed,i did say i was not judging the game - so please remember to read before you write. i was refering to the graphical leap of it\'s current status from that of PS2 games,it isn\'t that huge of a leap to me (and alot of others as well,even some of the game industry amitted that too). it was mainly a remark about the comparison to GT3 and this upcoming racer,if it only has visuals like that of Malice over other PS2 games out and being developed,then that racer\'s graphics would not get me that much more excited than what GT3 currently shows me. now as for playing the game,that is a whole \'nother subject
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That\'s what I was referring too...I couldn\'t believe that Malice didn\'t impress you graphically. I think it looks better than everything else being done.
Anyway, I just don\'t think everyone should be so narrow minded. Polyphone (whatever) just came out of no where. Who\'s to say an equally or even better team won\'t come and beat the **** out of the GT series.
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Originally posted by Ginko
That\'s what I was referring too...I couldn\'t believe that Malice didn\'t impress you graphically. I think it looks better than everything else being done.
Anyway, I just don\'t think everyone should be so narrow minded. Polyphone (whatever) just came out of no where. Who\'s to say an equally or even better team won\'t come and beat the **** out of the GT series.
so you\'re telling me Malice graphics are well beyond any current video game out or in developement? i have nothing against the game,but i just don\'t see what you and a few others see,i do not see the outstanding graphics except for a couple more added effects,that\'s all.
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After seeing MSR on dreamcast, which looks better than the current PS2 racers, one can only imagine how a game like that would look on the xbox..
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Originally posted by Crippler
After seeing MSR on dreamcast, which looks better than the current PS2 racers, one can only imagine how a game like that would look on the xbox..
hi hi....really funny...we\'re speaking of GT3 and the fact that more polys alone don\'t make better games....nobody is arguing out the Great Graphics of the future X-Box racing game! So...what\'s your point?
The Thread is :"Bizarre Creations GT3-killer to...."
GT3-Killer? :rolleyes: Do you know something about this game? How does it play? Tell me something about this game! ...MSR on dreamcast is a good game=the future Bizarre\'s game is the GT3-Killer? (...and another little thing...when this "GT3-Killer :rolleyes:" will be released...it should compete with GT4:D...not GT3:D...)
Thanks People for the good laugh! ;)
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Originally posted by Nplayer-2
remember that GCN demo from spacworld which had 12 cars on screen each with 12-14k polygons? do they come close to the REALISTIC look GT3 has?...nope.
same will be true for this pathetic at best xbox game.
So now your counting polys in a tech demo? That GCN demo was strickly tech and not in game. OMG. Why does everyone get mad when some shows something that xbox has that may be better than what sony has. I mean you have to understand that there will be better games than what sony has to offer. I mean i got a grand prix my brother has a navigator sure his navigator is better than my grand prix, but does that mean that my car sucks. No just means ford makes a better one. I mean ppl are going to have to except the fact is there are going to be better games than gt3,ssx,zoe, and so on. I mean there are a lot of developers out there that are getting better and better and learning how to take advantage of hardware. I see nothing wrong with somebody making a better game than gt3. Just like any other video game there is bound to be a better one made by another developer. And that is no reason to get upset and become so protective. And who knows what this game will be like but I know 16K polys per car in game is awesome. So who knows all I have to say we will wait and see. But as of now I am looking forward to gt3 and all it has to offer then I will take a look at what xbox has to offer in racing.
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Originally posted by XBOX
I mean ppl are going to have to except the fact is there are going to be better games than gt3,ssx,zoe, and so on.
?:rolleyes:...someone said X-Box won\'t produce better games than GT3,ssx,zoe,...? :rolleyes: ?
...someone said only that more polys don\'t make better games and that this thread is a little moronic...
I see nothing wrong with somebody making a better game than gt3. Just like any other video game there is bound to be a better one made by another developer.
...why someone should see something wrong if some developer makes a better game than gt3??
Help me:D ...I love racing game and if X-Box will show a game better than GT3 or GT4...I\'ll be the first to have it:D...but I\'m confident that GT4 will be a strong beast and some more polys alone won\'t beat it!:D Sure!
And that is no reason to get upset and become so protective.
I think people here are not "protective"...but realist...
...a car made of 16k polys is simply a car,I want to see what I can do with this car:D
And who knows what this game will be like but I know 16K polys per car in game is awesome. So who knows all I have to say we will wait and see. But as of now I am looking forward to gt3 and all it has to offer then I will take a look at what xbox has to offer in racing.
...finally I have heard something judicious :)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
?:rolleyes:...someone said X-Box won\'t produce better games than GT3,ssx,zoe,...? :rolleyes: ?
...someone said only that more polys don\'t make better games and that this thread is a little moronic...
Know but ppl get mad when give news of a xbox game that may be better than a perticluar one on ps2.
QUOTE]Originally posted by BizioEE
...why someone should see something wrong if some developer makes a better game than gt3??
Help me:D ...I love racing game and if X-Box will show a game better than GT3 or GT4...I\'ll be the first to have it:D...but I\'m confident that GT4 will be a strong beast and some more polys alone won\'t beat it!:D Sure![/QUOTE] [/B][/QUOTE]
Ummm yes ok but what makes you think that the gamepaly won\'t be up to standard? I don\'t think nobody knows what they are doing with xbox hardware. It could be one of the best racing games ever made. All I am saying don\'t rash out on this games just because it competes with gt3. Atleast wait and see before counting it out.
QUOTE]Originally posted by BizioEE
I think people here are not "protective"...but realist...
...a car made of 16k polys is simply a car,I want to see what I can do with this car:D[/QUOTE]
Again what makes you believe they will not focus on the gameplay in this game. Just because we have news of it having a lot of polys per car does not mean the gameplay will suck. Again counting it out. I love my ps2 and I also can\'t wait for xbox and I won\'t down a game that has potential to be great. Time will tell. If I went bye what ppl said or thought I would not have bought bouncer. It got bad reviews and a lot of ppl said it sucked but I think it is good game.
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After seeing MSR on dreamcast, which looks better than the current PS2 racers
Um, not quite. RRV (despite the jaggies which MSR has some of its own) looks better than MSR. IMO.
What is it with people and MSR? It looks like a game made for the PC 3 years ago.
- dm
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all ive been reading in this forum has been very humorous, granted the x-box looks very awsome as far as graphics,but ps2 is still the best so far, all in all. ive read in this forum, arguements about graphics and about game developers, but you all have failed to mention the king of all developers which is EA SPORTS! Madden2001 and Knockout Kings2001 both are ,by far, the 2 best games ever made by anyone ! they have graphics and game play that is just absolutly top of the line,2nd to none,just plain awsome ! X-box my give ps2 a run for its money, who knows, but for know ps2 is top dog! and please,dreamcast owners, dont embarris yourselves by trying to even compare with ps2! ok?
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koolkev,
ea sports best? You mean their rehashed sports games over and over? While EA can make some nice games they are definitely not the \'best.\' I enjoy Madden, SSX, and perhaps Fifa, but I can\'t say much more positive things regarding them as a whole. They make some nice games along as some horrible ones.
Also, DC owners (including myself) can compare. While I enjoy my PS2, @ the time being there are higher quality games on the DC overall (IMO). Now is when the PS2 games are coming, and it\'s about time.
- dm
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datamage, please, you could sit and debate all day on the best console and game developer, its your opinion and its freedom of speech,in the US anyway, you do have the right to be wrong! but you can sit there and tell me that Bob Ucker was better than Lou Brock,or that the Giants was better than the Ravens,or that Steve Kerr was better than Michael Jordon, you have that right but just as facts prove those things wrong same is for DC competing with ps2. cant argue facts man!
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but just as facts prove those things wrong same is for DC competing with ps2.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion as you said. But it isn\'t a \'fact\' that the DC can\'t compete with the PS2. Want to go over the list of games that exist now on the DC vs those on the PS2? Want to compare overall ratings? Overall thoughts on all games? The DC wins hands down. While the PS2 by the end of the year will be \'the beast,\' right now it\'s a slow progress. The DC\'s demise was due to the ignorant and Sony-loving Japanese f\'ckheads.
This is what I love about forums, one day I can be PS2 man, the next, DC man. :)
- dm
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Good news for X box fans, but i have to say with all that power going into the car modles, they have to also concentrate on the game play and lifespan value of this game.
i am sorry i am happy with my PS2 and i love GT3 seeing that i have played the demo of it :D.
but never the less still good news for X box fans.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
hi hi....really funny...we\'re speaking of GT3 and the fact that more polys alone don\'t make better games....nobody is arguing out the Great Graphics of the future X-Box racing game! So...what\'s your point?
The Thread is :"Bizarre Creations GT3-killer to...."
I only made reference that xbox racer might have better graphics to Gran Tourismo 3, I didnt say a fcking word about gameplay !
And Gran Tourismo will have the best gameplay. We all knew that for a long time.