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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Kituka on March 13, 2001, 01:12:20 PM
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Not that I believed any of the hype, though. If this is all the PS2 and GC (now I KNOW GC will crush this pile of #@$! graphically) "killer" can offer, hold on to your PS2\'s.
http://cgi.gaming-age.com/gaming/news/news.pl?y=2001&m=3&nid=13-74.db
http://cgi.gaming-age.com/gaming/news/news.pl?y=2001&m=3&nid=13-73.db
GT3 CRUSHES this game graphically and otherwise. What a disappointment....for Xbox fanboys!!! HA
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Another game.....nothing PS2 can\'t do, much less GC.
http://cgi.gaming-age.com/gaming/news/news.pl?y=2001&m=3&nid=13-75.db
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.....and more. TONS of actually good pics here. Hey, there is hope. Look at Halo, for example!!
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshot.cfm?sid=2346&picno=1
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Im not an X-baux fan boy by any definition of the word, I am very skeptical that the X-baux is going to do well at all. But the graphics should be really nice.
But how do you compare GT3 to this game.... They are two entirely different games....??
I was just curious on what criteria you use to judge games and on what kind of scale do you compare them to each other...??
If you could answer these questions that would be great, but in all acutallity your just acting like a Fan boy yourself.. :eyemouth:
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Yep! Playstation 2......is the Future!!!
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MICROSOFT:
"we will have a console 3x more powerfull than PS2"
do those pics look like they are from a machine 3x more powerfull?/...HELL NO
"we will have BB out of the xbox"
THEIR FLAG SHIP ON-LINE GAME(HALO) DOES NOT EVEN HAVE ON-LINE GAMING AFTER ALL.
"we will have 125mpps fully textured and lit"
LOL do i even need to tell you what\'s wrong with that?
"we have the most powefull console"
BULL****..
man i feel GOOD....:D:D
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i dont know what you are all talking about those shot\'s are the best i have ever seen.
PARIS never looks soo GOOD !
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Paris, 007?
Isn\'t that London?
I like the reflection off the edge of that car.
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GOD! look at those so-arogant-before-dudes at MSXBOX getting shocked by reality!
http://forums.msxbox.com/showthread.php?threadid=9457
life sucks sometimes! hehe
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Sorry every one i thought that was the eifle Tower in the background.
If Thats Suposed to be BIG BEN then i am a Foot and Mouth desied COW !
Big let down on the GAMEPLAY side of things , what ONLY 20 CARS :crying:
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I agree w/ ooseven. That racing game looks nice as hell. It might not be as good as GT3 but those screenshots look better than almost all of the shots released by Sony.
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couple of facts:
1)the reflections are enviromental mapping...GT3 has that and done much better.
2)POLYGONS DON\'T MEAN ****.
this car has what 16,000 polygons right? while GT3 cars have around 5,000...can you tell the difference? HELL NO.
i\'m glad the polygon hype has been destroyed.
and where are the drivers?...;)
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I think the XBox racing game looks good, but not nearly as good as GT3 - the models don\'t look as crisp, and there are a few oddities (check out the \'sky\' in that pic 007 posted), but of course the game isn\'t finished yet and we haven\'t seen it in action.
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Wow look at that detailed sky ;)
The games will look a whole lot better,MS did hype the thing but the games still look good.But I DO think that GT.3 looks better.
But Halo looks kick ass though.
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Originally posted by nO-One
But Halo looks kick ass though.
But yeah you can get that one on your PC so that\'s kind of like shoting yourself in the foot EH MICROSOFT !
But for people with out PC it will be a Must Buy for there new X box\'s HALO IS A KICK AS GAME !
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MSR (xbox version) doesnt look as good as this!
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No Way José!
/FASTson
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
hey, its london, the sky DOES look like that
They have done there reserch , most of the time in the UK the Sky is a DULL GREY depresing and everything.
IF i ever get this game ill play that level on a nice sunny day so that i don\'tsuffer from S.A.D.
Seaonal Afectife Disorder
Get some Vitiman E into your LIFE !
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no-one what the hell do you mean detailed sky???? there is no detail in the sky LMAO, anyways those pics look ok, GT3 looks way better, wich i think is a trip, the cars in gt3 dotn look as jaggie as these cars do fore some reason, i know and if thoes cars are 16,000 then why the hell do thye look no better than the GT3 cars?
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Originally posted by unknown
no-one what the hell do you mean detailed sky???? there is no detail in the sky LMAO
You do relise I was being sarcastic......right?
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Oh well. I knew this would happen. Xbox games don\'t look much better than the PS2. If not WORSE. I feel that gamecube will have the best graphics. I even see jaggies on those pics
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lmao, no i didnt notice.
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What do you expect from the first software titles? Give me a break, the first batch of PS2 games looked like poo and not much better and sometimes worse then a DC (case and point: Summoner!!!!). Just now is the PS2 actually showing any signs of life and that is only with a few games. You cannot expect MS to have some magic ball and developers to have first generation software that looks like fourth generation software. And, its been common knowledge that the graphical differences bewteen the two systems wouldn\'t be much, until a few generations and then it would depend on how far the developers was pushing it and utlizing the hardware for each system.
So, instead of crying and whining about how the pictures look, why not wait for E3 and see if MS announces any big exclusive titles? Because, that is what really matters--not the graphics. They can get away with having a system that doesn\'t look much better or no better then a PS2, if they have exclusive killer "apps".
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there is a deadlock on this poll in MSXBOX... http://forums.msxbox.com/showthread.php?threadid=9449
we need your help!! hehe..
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Wait a minute...are you calling these shots "disappointing"? Wow. I always underestimated the will of fanboys...never again though.
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All the demos you saw were running on Phase 2 Xboxes (i.e. GeForce3 powered). We\'ve yet to see the potential of the Xbox.
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oh so they were phase 2 x boxes, ok, now i guess i undertsand. but i honest to god think that racing game looks crappy, im sorry but thats what i think, i aint no fanboy, i want to get a GC and maybe even an x box, but that pic looks crappy, i know it will get much better looking now, take the giants citizen kabuto shots for the ps2 at first hey sucked ars, now they look awesome, in time we will be proven wrong.
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It looks pretty good for first generation games, and I don\'t understand why you guys are complaining.
I mean you guys are being hypocrites. About 5 or 6 months ago, you were saying that the PS2 graphics would get better over time even though they were sub-par.
Now that XBox is here, you are saying it will be crappy.
I don\'t understand you guys. It\'s like you are fanboys or something.
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El, they are fanboys (not all of them, like ooseven, he\'s one of the only objective PS2 fans on this board), it\'s just them re-evaluating their PS2 purchase. Hey, I own a PS2 and I love it to death, but hey, it won\'t hurt me to say this: "Unfinished Xbox games on unfinished hardware already looks better than finished PS2 games at the moment." There. Try it, it ain\'t so bad.
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you guys make me sick, whiny little brats.
Wasn\'t Ps2 supposed to be 15 times more powerful than DC? How come I was seeing all these games on DC that looked tons better?
The games not even out yet and already you guys are saying "told you so", go look at PS2 early shots, ha!
dumb fanboys.
Eric Jacob
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ElAsesino,
It\'s called post-hype syndrome. :)
When M$ promised a console 3x more powerful than PS2, you expect the games to knock you off your chair, and make you twitch on the floor. When that doesn\'t happen, people start to b\'tch. People still don\'t understand hype and BS. 100mpps, hah. Now that the games don\'t completely and utterly destroy every PS2 game on the planet, they have to say, \'well it looks better than first-gen ps2 games\' .. when the truth of the matter is it should\'ve destroyed everything. remember a msr shot (that was cg) that someone posted here, asking if that\'s what xbox would look like.. well um, .. I\'ll leave that one alone.
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- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
Nothing is going to blow anything away. The PS2 didn\'t \'destroy\' the DC, the xbox doesn\'t \'destroy\' the PS2, and the GC won\'t \'destroy\' the xbox.
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There are some definite strengths to the Xbox hardware over the PS2 looking at these early shots, and knowing that they are not running on the final product means there is alot more improvement to be made
I admit that the backgrounds in the racing game are flat textured and kinda crappy but still not that bad, and better then any racing game released on the PS2 so far
Football charaters look great, and Halo looks pretty sweet
although some of these pic are 800 x 600 most are 640 x 480
When will MS show off games running on the final hardware, this "It isn\'t on the final hardware" crap is getting old. I want to see the real deal
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Originally posted by ElAsesino
It looks pretty good for first generation games, and I don\'t understand why you guys are complaining.
I mean you guys are being hypocrites. About 5 or 6 months ago, you were saying that the PS2 graphics would get better over time even though they were sub-par.
Now that XBox is here, you are saying it will be crappy.
I don\'t understand you guys. It\'s like you are fanboys or something.
Not all are. I\'m not, OOseven, Ddaryl, Altered and others aren\'t. But, some it looks to be.
I have to agree though. When all the DC fans was making fun of the PS2 because the graphics wasn\'t a big leap from the DC if at all, the big thing was "its unfinished hardware" or "It\'ll get better in time". But, now its them making fun of the Xbox none of that seems to matter. They are judging an Xbox game by pictures alone, that isn\'t even a full first generation title. It still has quite awhile to go in development.
In my opinion, practice what you preach.
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The X-Box graphics are really good, thank god I pre-ordered mines this weekend.
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Wait a minute...are you calling these shots "disappointing"? Wow. I always underestimated the will of fanboys...never again though.
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All the demos you saw were running on Phase 2 Xboxes (i.e. GeForce3 powered). We\'ve yet to see the potential of the Xbox.
DirectXbox is correct........WAIT UNTIL YOU FEEL THE WRATH OF XBOX......:D
i know this is a PS2 forum......I fully support the PS2..... because this forum has room for Unbiased people right?
:D
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Please can we move this one through to the console debating section of the site, this is for PS2 news after all.
The same gose fpr the other X box related Threads
THANKS Admins and Mods :D
// OOSEVEN
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I think the media makes this x-Box appearence very mis-leading. Those are early pre-beta screenshots, nothing is final. If that is GeForce 3 powered, that\'s a mere lie on behalf of the people saying "Yeah that\'s GeForce 3 graphics for you! They suck!". That\'s maybe using .5% of the GeForce 3\'s potiental right there. I mean look at the textures. All blocky, hardly any FSAA. And your talking to a company who\'s moving at lightspeed to near photo realisitc realism in terms of graphics.
My word if advise, don\'t take ANYTHING the media and community is saying about this looking like final. These are first hand screenshots! GeForce 3! This had better not be true, this will really put nVidia fully responsible for x-Box\'s first embarrassement if those screens are true progress shots. But I doubt it, GeForce 3\'s hardware is too advanced to be displaying 8-bit textures and no FSAA.
jm
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Ahh......Damm! I though it was on the X-Box hardware...
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History repeates it self :)
First the PS.2 is going to be the most powerful.It doesn\'t live up to the hype.Then the X-Box will destroy the competion and it doesn\'t seem to be living up the it\'s hype.
These are the graphics I expected from the X-Box,I am neither over nor underwhelmed.But the games will look better,just as with the PS.2.Look at RR V and those early games and compare them to MGS.2 and GT.3.
I think the graphics are OK for the 1st generation games.
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The shots are early and decent looking and according to some, not even on final hardware. The haters will hate, but get no respect from me....
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DirectXbox,i don\'t think anyone saying they\'re disappointed with those pics,but lets get real here,the game doesn\'t surpass GT3 in looks (at this point) even with all the extra polygons and whatever extra effects (yea i know,it is imcomplete dev kits but lets get real some more because no magic wand is gonna\' wave over this game and somehow mysteriously change the game\'s appearence to a whole new better game than what we see here)
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another thing about those pics that is disturbing,Xbox is supposed to display lots more poly\'s then why is that game still using the same cardboard box style buildings as they did in the MSR Dreamcast game!!?? there is barely any kind of polygon use,it\'s majorily flat!! that is almost insulting to me,all this claim of mega polygons over other next gen consoles and this game (i do not want to hear anybody say, \'well it\'s still early in development" because that should of been implimented into the game well before they put in the effects and textures) shows mild use of polygons at best.
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Originally posted by ooseven
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i dont know what you are all talking about those shot\'s are the best i have ever seen.
PARIS never looks soo GOOD !
That is why MR BOND is the king. HE knows what looks good and the man is not biased. Go James.
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I am in Seattle right now and couldn\'t seem to get my PW but I am Ho3j and very sleepy so forgive any oddness ;) Anyway...
I just wanted to say that I think it is great that you are all comparing PG to GT3! PG has been in development for 4 weeks and only 2 of those with dev kits! 4 weeks of dev time and we already have a playable demo and see comparisons to GT3!
Also... I have been checking out the shots that were released and they do not do Azurik justice at all. The metal of his armor is just jaw-dropping to watch as its reflective nature plays with the world around it. His enimies are so cool looking and vibrant etc... (again, very sleepy and very excited ;) ) Basicly just use the shots of it as a reference for basic gameplay but not graphics.
Also, Halo is oh so sweet :) I cannot wait till everyone can see the muzzle of the gun light up the dark halls and reveal these amazingly bump mapped walls (for those making the PC coments I use a PIII 933, 256meg/sys, geforce 2 w/64meg DDR o/c\'d to 410mhz and nothing touches the things I saw today). AI is excellent and is aware of its surrounding so they enemycan look for a safe spot to shoot at you from. Oh! And everyone (including myself) seemed to pick up the control scheme in no time so that should not be a concern.
I didn\'t pay much attention to the Foot Ball game because that is simply not my thing :( However, I was very impressed with the moving eyes and the way snow collects on the field and then lets the players leave footprints.
Ack :) More of a rant/rave but I wanted to mention the PG thing and then just kind of went off.
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And seeing how none of this games where running on final hardware they look pretty good. Nfl fever looked awesome to only be on half of xbox\'s power. I think as more time is put into these games they will look even better and amped look so awesome:D
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
What do you expect from the first software titles? Give me a break, the first batch of PS2 games looked like poo and not much better and sometimes worse then a DC (case and point: Summoner!!!!). Just now is the PS2 actually showing any signs of life and that is only with a few games. You cannot expect MS to have some magic ball and developers to have first generation software that looks like fourth generation software.
Well...not exactly Living-In-Clip...X-Box is said to be easier to develop for than PS2 and developers know how to program a P3 and a GPU like Invidia\'s...PS2 is a totally new hardware,ways more difficult to develop for than the DC...so at first developers haven\'t even scratch the surface of the hardware! "PS2 vs DC" at first was a different situation than this and even actually developers haven\'t push the PS2.......so now....I have only a question.....is X-Box so powerful and easy to develop for as Microsoft say?
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Originally posted by MeTaL=DeaTh
another thing about those pics that is disturbing,Xbox is supposed to display lots more poly\'s then why is that game still using the same cardboard box style buildings as they did in the MSR Dreamcast game!!?? there is barely any kind of polygon use,it\'s majorily flat!! that is almost insulting to me,all this claim of mega polygons over other next gen consoles and this game (i do not want to hear anybody say, \'well it\'s still early in development" because that should of been implimented into the game well before they put in the effects and textures) shows mild use of polygons at best.
From Videogames.com:
The Xbox game will include new tracks based in New York City, joining a roster of city courses that are based in San Francisco, London, and Tokyo. Bizarre Creations, in typical style, has sent members of the development team to New York City to photograph and map out actual landmarks and streets--in all, the development team took over 50,000 photographs of the four cities in order to accurately capture every bit of detail possible. However, the build shown was very early--the game has only been in development for a handful of months--and parts of the New York City course didn\'t have texture maps in place. In fact, Bizarre Creations had placeholder 2D bitmaps in place for certain ambient environmental objects, which in the final game will be rendered in full 3D.
That expanation good enough for you? The game is extremely early and on unfinished dev kits running at 50% total power, so what else should you expect. This was put together to show off the GF3 effects in the game. I\'d rather see this, than cars against a blue screen. The fact of the matter is that half a game on half an Xbox still looks better than a whole game on a whole PS2. That says a lot. ;)
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
The fact of the matter is that half a game on half an Xbox still looks better than a whole game on a whole PS2. That says a lot. ;)
And what game might that be?
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Everyone here brings up valid points in which I\'ll give a nod to but one thing that stands out here is that this was put together in 4 weeks....thats more impressive than anything else if you ask me.
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
Everyone here brings up valid points in which I\'ll give a nod to but one thing that stands out here is that this was put together in 4 weeks....thats more impressive than anything else if you ask me.
ok,if that game was made in that period of time then i\'ll admit that\'s pretty kool but the same thing could be said about when Namco made TTT to show it off on PS2 in less time than that,it amazed people too.