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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Bossieman on March 15, 2001, 09:58:59 AM
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I have read a lot the last days about x-box and what people think about the system.
Sony havent done anything yet to make the PS2 sell good, they dont need to, the system is selling it self.
Just think when Sony wants people to see the PS2.
When they do comercials with 2 and 3 generation games people will get very impressed, they are the best makers of productnames, just think of walkman.
They are way bigger than MS.
the biggest 3 partydevelopers are not interested in the x-box.
Everyone wants a PS2.
Nintendo is focusing on younger people.
PS2 is already a success in Japan, x-box isnt.
The N64 could not stop Sony even though they had a more powerful system.
Sony knows the homeelectronic buissnes- they created it.
They have never dissapointed me.
I just think that Sony is unstoppable. I cant see 1 reason that they will fail.
Everybody is talking about this next-gen war, Sega is gone, Im sure that MS is not going to be a serious threat to Sony, MS may sell good in US but not as good as Sony.
Maybe there is something that I dont get, but I think this war is over.
time will tell.
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You know it\'s great touting yourself as the toughest kid on the block only to find out your the ONLY kid on the block!
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
You know it\'s great touting yourself as the toughest kid on the block only to find out your the ONLY kid on the block!
Hey, that was well said.
Nice post.
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
You know it\'s great touting yourself as the toughest kid on the block only to find out your the ONLY kid on the block!
Wow, that was nice. A cool one sentence response that was direct and to the point. I am impressed.
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Sony havent done anything yet to make the PS2 sell good, they dont need to, the system is selling it self.
Wouldn\'t that be a negative thing?
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yo bossie man im a sony fan but i dont say its un stoppable and it hasnt been the first or so home electronic stuff if u wanna know what is its microsoft was before sony.Alot of things were before sony think about it.
And professior nice dis!
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Very nice professor...
The N64 also had alot of hurdles for developers that turned them away. And going to the only other competition.
N64-Catridge being expensive, hard to program for, came out a year later, and games were few and far between.
PSX-CD(very cheap to make and distrubute, third parties liked this), the system was very easy to develope for, Sony had it\'s doors wide open for who ever wanted to come in. Lots of games for everyone.
The Saturn was a very niche market and shouldn\'t be counted. Still a good system though.
Nintendo has alot more appeal this time. It\'s got all the big third party developers except Konami (who cares, we don\'t need a Metal Gear Cubed :rolleyes: ) Tons of inhouse developement. Franchises from every direction.
Too address the kiddie issue-Namco, Sega, Retro, Silicon Knights, EA and Capcom are behind the GC. It will have a broad range of games.
And the GC will be competitely priced. Since it doesn\'t have any junk like a DVD, CD, or backwards compatability, it will be cheap. I\'m guessing anywhere from 150-200$.
X-box is still getting started. A very rocky start, but I bet things will pick up soon. They haven\'t shown us everything by any means. All we saw were the 1st party efforts. E3 will show us more. I see MS being the underdog this round though.
Now don\'t go and I say I think PS2 will fail. I highly doubt it will. I just don\'t see it taking over the market. Maybe it will hit a very comfortable 30-40% market share but I don\'t guess any more. I guess the same for GC.
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Well, Sony forced Sega out of the console industry. And the same thing would have happened to Nintendo if it weren\'t for pokemon...
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I think your wrong:p
Mario 64
Turok
Turok2
Banjo
Mario Kart 64
Zelda
Kirby
Zelda MM
DK 64
1080
Cruisin USA
All on 64, all million sellers. And 64 hit 20 million consoles way before a pokemon came out for it.
GBA doesn\'t have but one Pokemon game announced for it, and it managed to snag 3 million preoders in Japan. Just wait till they open up the lines here...
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Oh yeah,
Super Smash Bros
Goldeneye
Wave Race
Diddy Kong Racing
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Originally posted by Ginko
I think your wrong:p
Mario 64
Turok
Turok2
Banjo
Mario Kart 64
Zelda
Kirby
Zelda MM
DK 64
1080
Cruisin USA
All on 64, all million sellers. And 64 hit 20 million consoles way before a pokemon came out for it.
GBA doesn\'t have but one Pokemon game announced for it, and it managed to snag 3 million preoders in Japan. Just wait till they open up the lines here...
But how many is that compared to the sales of the PSX?? The sales of the FF\'s on the Sony console alone topples the sum of half of those listed titles. Animal\'s right; if it wasn\'t for Pokemon, Nintendo would have completely flopped. Many of the games you listed were released in the early stages of the N64, and some in its middle. After what few hits the Big N had left were gone, the N64 was having a massive drought of sales. Then Pokemon marched in and changed all that. However much I hate to admit it as a Nintendo fanboy, it was Pokemon that engraved Nintendo\'s name on many people\'s minds, and told them that the Big N still existed. If it wasn\'t for that pudgy yellow labrat, we would have seen the unveiling of the GC way before the ending of the N64\'s life-cycle, despite that crap policy Nintendo has about supporting its consoles for 5 years. And the reason the GBA has so many pre-orders in Japan is that the Gameboy is simply popular in the country, with no negativity going against it (And that little possibility that all the games coming out for it are incredible ;))
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I really hate when people say that the only reason why Nintendo is still alive is Pokemon and then they act like it was a mistake. DUH, Nintendo came up with something new and innovative to save their OWN asses. Me thinks Nintendo made a smart move. Think about it, one franchise completely saved them from total annihilation from the console market , how can anyone say that\'s not an intelligent business move?It boggles the mind. You may not like Pokemon but you can\'t deny that that was a very smart move by Nintendo( HAL makes Pokemon BTW, not EAD, just clearing that up).
Pokemon= cheap and easy way to make money, Sega probably wishes that they made up something like that...
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Originally posted by Jumpman
I really hate when people say that the only reason why Nintendo is still alive is Pokemon and then they act like it was a mistake. DUH, Nintendo came up with something new and innovative to save their OWN asses. Me thinks Nintendo made a smart move. Think about it, one franchise completely saved them from total annihilation from the console market , how can anyone say that\'s not an intelligent business move?It boggles the mind. You may not like Pokemon but you can\'t deny that that was a very smart move by Nintendo( HAL makes Pokemon BTW, not EAD, just clearing that up).
Pokemon= cheap and easy way to make money, Sega probably wishes that they made up something like that...
I truly hate Pokemon, but I agree. It was a smart move for Nintendo, and I\'m sure every company wishes they could come up with a franchise that could be near as succesful as PokeCrap. Nintendo really wasn\'t getting much attenion until Pokecrap came around. Smart move on Nintendo\'s part. Who can blame a company for trying to make money?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
I really hate when people say that the only reason why Nintendo is still alive is Pokemon and then they act like it was a mistake. DUH, Nintendo came up with something new and innovative to save their OWN asses. Me thinks Nintendo made a smart move. Think about it, one franchise completely saved them from total annihilation from the console market , how can anyone say that\'s not an intelligent business move?It boggles the mind. You may not like Pokemon but you can\'t deny that that was a very smart move by Nintendo( HAL makes Pokemon BTW, not EAD, just clearing that up).
Pokemon= cheap and easy way to make money, Sega probably wishes that they made up something like that...
But when that same franchise is milked for every single drop for years, you begin to despise just how cheap Nintendo can go. I agree with you Jumpman though, that it was a smart move on Nintendo\'s part. The point of my post however, was to state that if it wasn\'t for Pokemon, Nintendo would have been wiped out, at least in the console market. We seem to agree on that at least.
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Originally posted by hyper
But when that same franchise is milked for every single drop for years, you begin to despise just how cheap Nintendo can go. I agree with you Jumpman though, that it was a smart move on Nintendo\'s part. The point of my post however, was to state that if it wasn\'t for Pokemon, Nintendo would have been wiped out, at least in the console market. We seem to agree on that at least.
Well, most companies do that.
Tomb Raider?
Street Fighter?
Resident Evil?
Mega Man?
Sonic?
Zelda?
So on and so on. It is a franchise. That is what a franchise is for. Milking people for money, based on a well known and established character.
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Originally posted by hyper
But how many is that compared to the sales of the PSX?? The sales of the FF\'s on the Sony console alone topples the sum of half of those listed titles.
FF sold a nice amount but to say it sold more than half of that list is ludicrous.
BTW, I beleive Mario 64/Zelda sold more than FF by themselves.
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FF sold a nice amount but to say it sold more than half of that list is ludicrous.
BTW, I beleive Mario 64/Zelda sold more than FF by themselves.
Umm, you should know the FF series is far more popular in Japan than Mario + Zelda combined.
N64 sales:
Mario64 = 1.98 mil
Zelda OOT = 1.45 mil
PSX sales:
FFVII = 3.26 mil
FFVIII = 3.60 mil
FFIX = 2.82 mil
Do the math. The sales of FFVIII alone beat both those games combined.
Source: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/5534/topten2.htm
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ouch, gohan
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Originally posted by datamage
Umm, you should know the FF series is far more popular in Japan than Mario + Zelda combined.
N64 sales:
Mario64 = 1.98 mil
Zelda OOT = 1.45 mil
PSX sales:
FFVII = 3.26 mil
FFVIII = 3.60 mil
FFIX = 2.82 mil
Do the math. The sales of FFVIII alone beat both those games combined.
Source: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/5534/topten2.htm
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He was refering to the world wide numbers, not just Japan. Mario64 sold over 7 million copies while Zelda:OOT sold over ten million copies. Majora\'s Mask is around 2 million I think...
I would hardly consider that an ouch...
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Jumpman,
Show me *proof* of your statement. I can tell you FFVII sold 12 million worldwide without proof, doesn\'t mean it\'s true.
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I seriously doubt Zelda sold 10 mil worldwide. And Mario *may* have hit 7 mil, but it\'s a flawed argument. Mario 64 was one of the few great games on N64.
Before you bother to reply, find me a source.
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ehhe, "few" being the key word in this whole thread
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Originally posted by datamage
Umm, you should know the FF series is far more popular in Japan than Mario + Zelda combined.
N64 sales:
Mario64 = 1.98 mil
Zelda OOT = 1.45 mil
PSX sales:
FFVII = 3.26 mil
FFVIII = 3.60 mil
FFIX = 2.82 mil
Do the math. The sales of FFVIII alone beat both those games combined.
Source: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/5534/topten2.htm
Although I was talking about worldwide/US sales, that is not even a legitimate link. Where are they getting thier sales charts from? They don\'t tell you where they got them from or how they went about getting the results themselves. Show me a real link. Something from NPD (http://www.npd.com) perhaps?
BTW do you mean to tell me Goldeneye, which was on the best sellers list for over 2(was it 3?) years has sold less units than FFVII / VIII?
That is absurd.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
He was refering to the world wide numbers, not just Japan. Mario64 sold over 7 million copies while Zelda:OOT sold over ten million copies. Majora\'s Mask is around 2 million I think...
I would hardly consider that an ouch...
I\'m not sure about Super Mario 64, but as of last year (sometime in 2000), Ocarina of Time reached the 7.4 million mark worldwide.
The five hottest video game franchises in Japan are the following (in no particular order): Draqon Quest, Final Fantasy, Pokemon, Zelda, and Mario.
The first three RPGs are probably the most popular, and Dragon Quest even has laws passed whenever a new game is released. For example, a Dragon Quest game must now be released on a Sunday so that schools do not have to close. So far, in Japan, Dragon Quest VII has sold nearly 4 million units.
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Yeah! NOTHING CAN STOP SONY NOW!! PS2 just the begining... You tell\'em Bossieman!
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Gohan,
Howabout you waste time and find proof of Mario + Zelda\'s sales.. for each territory.
You\'re also forgetting another factor. A Mario or Zelda game comes out like every 5 years. ;) That helps the anticipation of the game. It\'s not like FF where one comes out every year, though it wasn\'t always like that.
If you look @ the history in Japan, the FF series always sold more than Zelda or Mario.. beginning with FFIV. Does NPD even cover Japanese sales?
Anyhow, I\'m sick of arguing over speculation..
- dm
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/me who forgot why he even replied to this thread to begin with.
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Originally posted by datamage
Jumpman,
Show me *proof* of your statement. I can tell you FFVII sold 12 million worldwide without proof, doesn\'t mean it\'s true.
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
I seriously doubt Zelda sold 10 mil worldwide. And Mario *may* have hit 7 mil, but it\'s a flawed argument. Mario 64 was one of the few great games on N64.
Before you bother to reply, find me a source.
Sure, but I did accidently had it backwards...
Nintendo had very high expectations for the game, and rightfully so, as it was as highly demanded as the ten million plus selling Super Mario 64. When Nintendo EAD finally released the title in November 1998, the big N\'s patience paid off, as the game was awarded Game of the Year by several game publications and went on to sell over seven million copies world wide.
http://cube.ign.com/news/29011.html
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Originally posted by datamage
Gohan,
Howabout you waste time and find proof of Mario + Zelda\'s sales.. for each territory.
:D Thats why I told YOU to check NPD. :D
Originally posted by datamage
You\'re also forgetting another factor. A Mario or Zelda game comes out like every 5 years. ;) That helps the anticipation of the game. It\'s not like FF where one comes out every year, though it wasn\'t always like that.
Is that a good thing. They come out with a new FF game every year. It is basically the same engine and gameplay with different characters. Big whoop..
Originally posted by datamage
If you look @ the history in Japan, the FF series always sold more than Zelda or Mario.. beginning with FFIV. Does NPD even cover Japanese sales?
I am looking at the link that you posted before and Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3 sold more than all of the FF games on the list. so what are you talking about?
Originally posted by datamage
Anyhow, I\'m sick of arguing over speculation.
What speculation? I thought we were arguing the history? :D
j/k I agree lets end it. After you post of course. :)
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Is that a good thing. They come out with a new FF game every year. It is basically the same engine and gameplay with different characters. Big whoop.. p/quote]
I wasn\'t arguing the quality of the games, but the sales. ;) How good each game is, well, that\'s another argument for another day.
I am looking at the link that you posted before and Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3 sold more than all of the FF games on the list. so what are you talking about?
Super Mario Bros doesn\'t count, that was sold with the NES. And notice I said after FFIV.. Super Mario Bros. 3 was long before that.. :)
What speculation? I thought we were arguing the history?
j/k I agree lets end it. After you post of course
Speculation as to how much each game sold world-wide cause neither of us have exact proof or exact numbers. :) Let\'s just let it go, to be honest, I don\'t care what game sold what.
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Jumpman,
Well I would believe that Mario sold that much. Now I should tell you what Gohan told me, where did IGN get this information and where\'s their proof? :)
- dm
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You don\'t have to go searching, I don\'t really care. ;)
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Originally posted by datamage
Let\'s just let it go, to be honest, I don\'t care what game sold what.
Agreed :D
It was getting kind of tiring looking for evidence to back up my claims.
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Read the subject and give me your thoughts about it, why is there a disscusion about FF and Zelda?
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You are pretty much the only one who thinks that Sony is unstoppable so we decided to change the thread into a useful argument.
Sony is in a good position; but far from unstoppable.
[EDIT] NICE! 1000 Posts!
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Useful??
LOL
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"Nothing Can Stop Sony". This may off topic , but look at it like this. If nothing could stop Sony, what would happen? Games would suck. Why? Because having other options is what keeps the companies going for the best position. They have to work for it. Competion encourages advancement and original titles. So, while some of you are hoping every other console dissappears, if that ever happened, the gaming market would go away. There wouldn\'t be choice, without choice there wouldn\'t be original titles and little advancement in the industry.
So, thank your lucky stars that there is MS and Nintendo going against Sony.
Just my thoughts on the matter....
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I never said that I wanted x-box and GC to loose completely, but I feel that it is going very good for Sony right now, and I cant see ONE reason that can make them loose, Sony dont see the GC as a threat because Nintendo is going on the younger people, and MS without the big Japanese developers, well thats a bad sign.
I know that it is bad if x-box becomes a mess, I dont want to pay 100$ / game a.s.o
I think that Sega gave up a little bit to early, and now things is going the Sonyway.
And it is still my opinion that nothing can stop Sony now.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
"Because having other options is what keeps the companies going for the best position. They have to work for it. Competion encourages advancement and original titles!
So there is no good games for Game boy?
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Originally posted by Bossieman
So there is no good games for Game boy?
Look at the GBA, most the big upcoming titles are actually "advance" versions of older titles. Now do you honestly think Nintendo could get away with this, if there was another big handheld in the market? No way.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
myyy..........god. BIG WHOOP!?!?! BIG WHOOP!?!?!?!?!?! not a Final Fantasy fan? ahh well
I am not a FF fan per se. I bought FF7 and thought it was incredible. I didn\'t buy FF8, but I played and thought it was decent. I like their games but I think it is time to do something new. Right now they are guilty more than anyone else of milking a franchise. It is not like they can\'t come up with innovative RPG\'s(Vagrant Story). They just need to do something different.
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Umm, you should know the FF series is far more popular in Japan than Mario + Zelda combined.
N64 sales:
Mario64 = 1.98 mil
Zelda OOT = 1.45 mil
PSX sales:
FFVII = 3.26 mil
FFVIII = 3.60 mil
FFIX = 2.82 mil
Do the math. The sales of FFVIII alone beat both those games combined.
Source: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquar...534/topten2.htm
This is flawed in a way... The Psx has a userbase of what? 70 some million world wide? And the N64, what? 30 some million? You cannot judge the popularity of a franchise or character by the amount of sales in this aspect (at least I don\'t think it accurate), because the psx totally obliverates the N64 in userbase, meaning that there are more people \'willing\' to buy it.
An example:
Bob the hot dog seller sells in a relatively large city that contains 30 million people. Of coures everyone isn\'t interested in his hot dogs, but a lot are.
Frank the hot dog seller sells in a larger city of 70+Million. He has a lot of people he can sell hot dogs to, more than that of Bob.
Would\'nt it be logical that Frank sold more? (ok, that was a crappy analogy)
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Ah, cmon toothpick, we let that arguement go already. :)
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geeze toothpick dude, that was extremly lame analogy
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Yeah, I just wanted to say that... I guess I could have read after that more, though.
Anyways, I didn\'t try to make a grade A+ analogy, here. Sheesh--not everyone has great English skills.