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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: on March 18, 2001, 12:53:55 PM
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Hey guys im am here to beg you as a gamer to experience the xbox fall 2001. I think we can all agree the xbox has the better graphics. (if not it would be embarrasing for me to set the early screens from the ps2 aside the early screens of the xbox side by side) What about gameplay. That is what truly matters right? arddrive will enhance gameplay to levels we have never seen before. Im sure you all have heard of amped? It will have 120 tracks, 100 songs and you will have the option of burning your own songs on the game all compliments of the hardrive. What do you say? ps2 has a hardrive addon. Addons are considered successful if 10m percent of ps2 owners buy one. Will that be enough to sway developers to utilize it. Hell no. The very reason why ps1 had very few 4 player games. Well enough with me lets see what the real pros think.
Xbox: The Hard Drive Advantage
The 10 ways a built-in hard drive makes the Xbox a better videogame console than the PS2.
Even though the Xbox may not currently have the games to compete head-to-head with the PS2 (remembering, of course, that at this time last year, an even less exciting group of games supported the PS2), Microsoft\'s console does have one distinct and incredibly important advantage over Sony\'s juggernaut. And we\'re not just talking about horsepower.
The key advantage that the Xbox enjoys over its toughest competitor is a built-in hard drive. No other console maker has dared include this feature, but it\'s likely to become standard issue in the near future. Here are 10 reasons why.
10. The Hard Drive Comes Packed In The Box
It doesn\'t matter what Sony does with its proposed hard drive add-on, it will never saturate the market. Typically a peripheral is considered a rousing success if it can crack 10% of the installed console base -- that\'s why developers rarely support new peripherals.
Even if Sony is able to deliver a low-cost hard drive expansion for the PS2, it will almost certainly never be in even half the homes of PS2 owners. Because of this, don\'t expect game developers to get behind it full force.
On the other hand, when a game is made for the Xbox, the developer knows that 100% percent of Xbox owners have a hard drive, so it can be used whenever necessary. That\'s a key element to remember as we look through the following points. The developers will take advantage of the hard drive, simply because they can.
9. The Hard Drive Will Enable Users To Improve Games.
If you\'ve ever played Half Life: Counterstrike or one of the many, many mods created for Quake, Unreal, Half Life and just about any other first-person shooter ever made, you know that users can actually improve great games by creating mods and variations the developers never thought of.
The Xbox hard drive can store up to 8GB of data, which is way more than enough to support any level editors and toolkits needed for the mod community. This community consists of the ultra-hardcore gamers who chose the PC over consoles because of its customizability. Now they\'ll have a home on a console, and even the casual gamers will benefit from their work.
8. The Hard Drive Will Enable Developers To Improve Games After They\'ve Shipped.
Okay, we\'ve all suffered through game patches and the unfinished games that needed them, but we\'ve also benefited from developers tweaking and improving games through patches.
On a console with no hard drive, this is logistically impossible -- but with a built-in hard drive, developers know that if they work hard to improved a released product, everyone who wants to upgrade their games can and will, thanks to the hard drive.
7. The Hard Drive Will Make Memory Cards A Memory.
At one time or another, most of us have misplaced a memory card that we desperately needed. The hard drive will make the storage and labeling of these cards virtually unnecessary. Even Sony\'s massive 8MB card can easily be overfilled with data, requiring a purchase of a second card.
It will be a long time before any of us fill up an 8GB drive with save files.
6. The Hard Drive Will Enable Developers To Create Far Larger Levels Than Ever Before.
The Xbox hard drive can serve as a scratch-disc for games. Most console games load information directly from the disc into the RAM as the game progresses. The Xbox, on the other hand, loads the first bit of information into the RAM and then can load more information directly onto the hard drive. Because the processor can access the hard drive much faster than any disc, the Xbox can process information from the massive hard drive to create insanely huge levels that don\'t need to be broken up into tiny loading zones.
Imagine a game like Metal Gear Solid 2 or Shenmue that doesn\'t need to cut its gorgeous levels into small loadable chunks but keeps them the size of a real city. Or think about what a racing game could be like if the track could be as massive as Ohio. The hard drive makes this and more possible.
5. The Hard Drive Will Open Up Game Recording Possibilities.
Because players have an 8GB storage unit, they will be able to do things never before imaginable in console games. For instance, sports game aficionados could store their favorite plays on the hard drive and see them show up after the game in a SportsCenter-like presentation.
Players could also record screenshots and videos of any games they play and put them on the Internet later on. We could even see movie-making software possibilities. How many gamers would love creating their own CGI animated movie shorts?
4. The Hard Drive Will Enable Developers To Create Rich, Evolving Worlds.
One of the main reasons that console videogame worlds are so bland and unchanging is that developers simply have nowhere to store all the information that a constantly evolving world needs. For instance, a hard drive would enable developers to create worlds that can be permanently affected by users.
Imagine an RPG forest that is scarred and damaged by a battle early in the game. With the hard drive, you could return years later in game time and still see some remains of your battle. The hard drive will enable developers to create much richer worlds that change according to whatever the player does. The possibilities are pretty endless, and we could soon see more complex simulations than we\'ve ever seen on a console before.
3. The Hard Drive Could Make The Xbox A Useful Entertainment Tool.
For starters, you could store a lot of MP3 files on your Xbox hard drive, but that\'s just the beginning. As digital video recorders like TIVO and ReplayTV become more popular, we may quickly see uses of the technology on the Xbox. It\'s already connected to your television; why not use it as a recorder as well?
2. The Hard Drive Will Enable Developers To Use More Detailed Textures.
Most consoles (including the PS2) are extremely limited in terms of texture memory. The Xbox has a lot of memory, but it also has a built-in hard drive that will enable developers to first load the textures onto the hard drive from the disc and then load the textures into RAM. Better textures make games look better; add that to the Xbox\'s superior polygon engine and you\'ve got a winning combination.
1. The Hard Drive Means We\'ll See Massively Multiplayer Online RPGs.
Perhaps the most exciting new videogame genre of the last five years is the rapidly growing Massively Multiplayer Online RPG genre (MMORPG). Even though we know that several of these blockbuster games are in development for the PS2, they will all rely on the acceptance of a PS2 hard drive add-on.
Every Xbox will be ready for MMORPGs out of the box, and as this videogame genre continues to blossom, Microsoft will have a leg up on the competition in the console world.
Dan Egger
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First off...Don\'t come into a PS2 forum praising Xbox...and this belongs in off topic...Read the forum names before you post in them...The Xbox HD will be amazing..to bad it wasnt any bigger then they could have done....
And welcome to the forums......
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8gbs not big? lol your loss.
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Dan Egger
I remember when that fool used to write nothing but pro-ps2 columns every day of the week and how much crticism he got for it, even from Xbox fans, but now that he writes a pro-Xbox article, everyone loves him? hahahahaha. He\'s a fool for writing that and you\'re more of a fool for cutting and pasting it. It\'s obvious you are anti-sony from your signature and only sleep with MS, so in that case, please, take this topic to console debating where it belongs and troll some there. We don\'t need this crap clogging up the main forum.
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only speak the facts. I beg you to point out a false statement fron eagar i beg you. (memory cards are for kids)
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Not a good way to start here in these forums. I suggest you go to Console Debating as Darkgamer and Ryu already mentioned.
8gbs not big? lol your loss.
Nah, M$\'s loss when that mediocre console doesn\'t sell as much as Billy thinks it is. I\'ll let it go @ that before I get ahead of myself. :evil:
- dm
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using a cpu from intel(please)
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Originally posted by allproxboxer
only speak the facts. I beg you to point out a false statement fron eagar i beg you. (memory cards are for kids)
You beg too much.
Do you think your cut and pasted rant is going to sway anyone for or against the Xbox? If we want it we\'ll get it. If not it will sit on the shelf. Its already been stated but i want to reinforce the idea:
KEEP THIS CRAP IN CONSOLE DEBATING
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All i know is from here on out every console will ship with a harddrive all because of the xbox and what ever happens they still revolutionized gaming period. just go buy your self a memory card and a game with 10 levels for 50 bucks
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all i know is my ps2 is going in the closet or up for sell when the xbox comes out and any true gamer reconize where the best gaming will be coming from in fall 2001.
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all i know is my ps2 is going in the closet or up for sell when the xbox comes out and any true gamer reconize where the best gaming will be coming from in fall 2001.
A \'true\' gamer will play whatever game he/she likes on whatever console that\'s out. They would not be so narrow-minded as to limit themselves to one console. I\'m glad you\'re selling your PS2, that means you spent money for nothing.
X-box didn\'t revolutionize crap. More like they cloned everything that\'s available and smacked their name on it.
- dm
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what kinda like the 50+ exclusives . lol Good try . Kinda funny how sony ran out and got a harddrive addon right after it was anounced for the xbox. Wounder where they got that idea.
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what about sonys first party games. man they suck. They have done nothing but let me down . I lucky enough to have the money to through it to the side and try again.
Project gothams cars have 12 mill pol/sec compared to gt3 4 and it has only been in developement for 2 WEEKS. lets look at gt3 screens in two weeks of developement.
In seven months if the xbox screens make that same improvement ps2 made on their screens . Ps2 owners that has to much invested to get another system will be crying.
imagine a vipor crashing into a wall in 64 channel digital sound compared to the ps2s 4 channels.
I realize the specs ment nothing when they had no backing but come on ea has 10 titles in developement and they will have 3 ready at launch. Dreamcast never landed one game from ea.
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all i know is my ps2 is going in the closet or up for sell when the xbox comes out and any true gamer reconize where the best gaming will be coming from in fall 2001.
Wow, that\'s funny because Konami, Enix, Capcom, and Squaresoft all think the future is with Sony, yet you disagree with those developers who make the million selling titles. Go figure. I guess your opinion of a harddrive is more important then the companies that actually may utilize it. Or are you one of those blinded fools who thinks that Japanese gamers and developers don\'t mean anything to the console industry and think America is the only true nation worth investing in? If that\'s the case, you\'re sad, if not, you\'re sad anyways. Any GAMER will tell you that owning all consoles for all their great games is a smart thing to do and you talk about selling your PS2. So much for you being a "gamer." If there was any intelligence in that small brain of yours, you\'d leave this Playstation 2 board in favor of a bunch of others who would support your arguements blindly and willingly, I hear xbox.com and msxbox.com has some forums catered to those needs. Who knows though, maybe the harddrive that x-box is including is just a touched up facsimile like their game shots from gamestock. :rolleyes:
what kinda like the 50+ exclusives . lol Good try . Kinda funny how sony ran out and got a harddrive addon right after it was anounced for the xbox. Wounder where they got that idea.
Sony\'s online and BB plans were solidified before the x-box was even shown. The BB plans were announced for the PS2 in February 2000 along with the harddrive and Squaresfot\'s fully online title, Final Fantasy XI, at the Squaresoft Festival. What difference does that make right? Diehard Xbox fans only see what they want to see.
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sorry ryu, i was following the xbox when news broke that sony was adding a harddrive in direct response. Good try though!
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LOL. Hey, Xbox guy, I\'m gonna give you a tip.
Go to http://www.dictionary.com and learn how to spell some words. As far as your grammar goes, well, by the time you get to 5th grade it might improve.
Project gothams cars have 12 mill pol/sec compared to gt3 4 and it has only been in developement for 2 WEEKS. lets look at gt3 screens in two weeks of developement.
You should be a comedian, seriously. 12 million polygons for the cars huh? Kinda sad considering GT\'s cars have like 1/120 of that (by your calculations) yet they look better.
- dm
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they didnt even clone it, they are using off the shelf products
hehe, I wasn\'t even talking about the hardware. :) More like the controller + software.
- dm
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You should remember that this game was put together in 4 weeks (2 with XDK\'s), and they aren\'t using the FSAA or HRAA anti-aliasing techniques that the final x) version wi
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sorry ryu, i was following the xbox when news broke that sony was adding a harddrive in direct response. Good try though!
My posts are falling on def and ignorant ears, why even bother posting in reply since nothing we say or do to refute your biased BS can suede you to stop with yoru pathetic and ignorant rant. X-Box wasn\'t even real until TGS in March of 2000, but hey, you\'ve been following it for ALL THIS TIME, you\'re more right then ANYONE in the world! /sarcasm. If I was a mod, this post would be moved.
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:rolleyes: OMG. That\'s Project Gotham? Oh wow! I see the light. You\'re right! That looks @ least 4.53 times better than GT3. I\'m rushing out to EB to trade in my PS2 and pre-purchase the x-box right now. Thank you, for showing me the way. :rolleyes:
- dm
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here is a ps2 screen of gt3 in early development ( about 4 months)
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Hmm, I wonder which hardware has a steeper learning curve. One with new and innovative technology, or one using the same architecture from 10 years ago. hmm...
- dm
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Originally posted by allproxboxer
only speak the facts. I beg you to point out a false statement fron eagar i beg you. (memory cards are for kids)
Why do you hate Video games? Some schlock like you shouldn\'t even be allowed to play them.
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You know if those Project Gotham shots are In-Game, its going to be really hard to actually PLAY it.
I mean all of those shots are from wierd angles.
Something is telling me that those are not IN-GAME shots.
More like Pre-rendered,"OAAHH CHECK OUT THE SHINIES!!" graphics.
Usually Im against these dumb debates, but I hate it when people take shots that are obviously not In-Game(because of the angle, you know, like the one where the car is FACING THE CAMERA), so I decided to put my two cents in.
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All that hard drive crap that Dan Egger is spewing sounds eerily similar to all the hype that was going around with nintendo\'s DD add-on ( I swear that RPG battle with a destroyed forest example is the exact same thing the DD fanboys were saying, as a matter of fact I think I\'ll go find the link to it) . In any case PC\'s have always had hard-drives, yet there\'s still load times, and there are no permanentley damaged worlds to an extent anywhere near the one proposed in the article. Although the X-box has tons of power I really can\'t see it bringing any kind of revolution, all of its supposedly revolutionary features are just PC parts thet weren\'t available on consoles before.
[EDIT] I couldn\'t find the older article but here is a new one where they mention what Nintendo was promising. As I said, almost identical to what Egger is going on about.
http://ign64.ign.com/news/31798.html
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allproxboxer
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OHH XBOX,
You have SUCH
a BIG HARDDRIVE
YES YES HARDER
OHHHH YESS.
Registered: Mar 2001
Location:
Posts: 10
ARE YOU REVEREND XBOX ?
I think so i think so !
Welcome back old Enemy !
anyway if your NOT , word of warning, please don\'t come into this forum Flaming the PS2.
you will find that THIS IS A PLAYSTATION 2 Forum.
infact ill spell it for you seeing that your a troll
P...L...A...Y...S...T...A...T...I...O...N...2...F...O...R...U...M
and NOT [/b]
X...B...O...X...F...O...R...U...M
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Originally posted by ooseven
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allproxboxer
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OHH XBOX,
You have SUCH
a BIG HARDDRIVE
YES YES HARDER
OHHHH YESS.
Registered: Mar 2001
Location:
Posts: 10
ARE YOU REVEREND XBOX ?
I think so i think so !
Welcome back old Enemy !
anyway if your NOT , word of warning, please don\'t come into this forum Flaming the PS2.
you will find that THIS IS A PLAYSTATION 2 Forum.
infact ill spell it for you seeing that your a troll
P...L...A...Y...S...T...A...T...I...O...N...2...F...O...R...U...M
and NOT
X...B...O...X...F...O...R...U...M [/B]
So...the question is...Two Different Trolls or...The same Troll with Two different nicknames? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: ?
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C\'mon guys, you can\'t think everyone who comes here to \'brighten\' the x-box is ReverendXbox. I think Reverend knew how to spell.. there\'s a ton of xbox zealots out there. ;)
- dm
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It makes good points about xbox hdd, but you cannot come in a ps2 forum and present it the way you did. If you have not come off boasting about it ppl would have been able to accept your comments more seriously. I think you should think about your approach, but I will say that the hdd will make gaming 100% better. Next time you post something know which forum to post it in and don\'t come off like some xbox fanboy. Really puts down xbox. Just like a lot ps2, gamecube fanboys make those system seem worthless. Dan pointed out some key points and I can\'t wait to see them come alive on xbox. Oh yeah as far as ps2 hdd goes. I think add-ons don\'t work either, and they have not in the past. For the price of the add-on you can buy more games. I don\'t see no point in buying key add on features. Those type of features should come in the system.
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Originally posted by ooseven
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allproxboxer
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OHH XBOX,
You have SUCH
a BIG HARDDRIVE
YES YES HARDER
OHHHH YESS.
Registered: Mar 2001
Location:
Posts: 10
ARE YOU REVEREND XBOX ?
I think so i think so !
Welcome back old Enemy !
anyway if your NOT , word of warning, please don\'t come into this forum Flaming the PS2.
you will find that THIS IS A PLAYSTATION 2 Forum.
infact ill spell it for you seeing that your a troll
P...L...A...Y...S...T...A...T...I...O...N...2...F...O...R...U...M
and NOT
X...B...O...X...F...O...R...U...M [/B]
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! That is exactly what I was going to say.
Good work admins! This is by far the funniest custom title(or whatever its called) yet!!!!!
AHAHAHHAHAA!!!
LOL!!!!
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