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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: TheGamemaster on March 20, 2001, 09:29:34 PM
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I have been thinking about the direction in which videogames is heading and it really is critical. Personally I do and don\'t like what Sony has done to the idustry. The market is huge now thanks to sony and there are way more people playing games which is good but its the people that have been let in to the industry that disurbs me. I don\'t know if I am taking things way too seriously but I see more people buying a game because of how it looks and that is it. Sure I love a good looking game but it gotta have the gameplay for me and in this market I\'m the minority so the minority won\'t get catered to as much as the other. This doesn\'t mean I want Sony to fail but I just want to see them put more emphasis on gameplay on their system. If Sony dominates I think games will be good but not as good as before as years pass. I would love the market to be split just good enough so that each company Sony Nintendo and Microsoft(dont know where they wanna take videogames) wont get too big headed and start doing stupid stuff. Too much power in anything is not good at all.
Well I just like what Nintendo is doing as far as games are involved. They don\'t think they can make good money without good games and that is what ther emphasis is on games. Sony\'s emphasis is on entertainment period(and they do that well). Like I said I think it is good and bad because there will be more people buying games but not always for the right reason which will result in a kind of saturation of games in the market. I just wish any company could find a way to do both. Sony\'s dedication to entertainment and Nintendos dedication too games. Maybe I\'m taking things too seroiusly but anyways what are you guys thought on the industry and where it is heading. The Gamemaster has spoken.
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I\'d like to see less games being made. Maybe even cut the number of games being made now in half. That would mean that developers are taking more time with the games, and a particular developer is only putting out one or two games a year they will make damn sure it is good enough to sell well. I\'m tired of the pointless sequels, and the withholding of features in games, so that people will buy the next year\'s version. I don\'t like the current state of gaming one bit, the ****\'s gonna hit the fan with all these systems out, and good games are going to decide who wins.
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RPG\'s
Back in the old days (8-32bit) I would play RPG\'s and think, wouldn\'t it be cool to have more interactivity. For example, you could enter one of the houses in town and rummage through the furniture (all the furniture) or if you had a hammer in your inventory you could litteraly use it on the walls or ANYTHING. Get the picture? Total interactivity.
With the massive processing power we are aproaching I think this would be possible to some extent, but alas, graphics take priority and the interactive issue falls by the wayside (for the most part).
Same gameplay-better graphics....*sigh*:(
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I want less games to be made, but I want creativity (do we need more wrestling games), originality, and fun-factor to go way up. The ratio of bad games to excellent/phenomenal is scary. On the PS it was something like 2 excellent for 13+ bad.
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Originally posted by Aaron
I\'d like to see less games being made. Maybe even cut the number of games being made now in half. That would mean that developers are taking more time with the games, and a particular developer is only putting out one or two games a year they will make damn sure it is good enough to sell well. I\'m tired of the pointless sequels, and the withholding of features in games, so that people will buy the next year\'s version. I don\'t like the current state of gaming one bit, the ****\'s gonna hit the fan with all these systems out, and good games are going to decide who wins.
Amen man. The market is becoming flooded. Like what is up with all those $10 dollar games? Are games that don\'t deserve sequels getting sequels? When the SNES/Genesis "war" was goin\' on it was about great games. Since the PSone, gaming has became more \'mainstream\' then ever. Which means, its flooded with crap titles to make a quick buck. The market can\'t support 3 consoles worth of crap titles. Developers need to really get their act together.
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Oh yeah! Also!
I want someone to make my "Driving Rpg":):):)
Cruise around the US (..or EU I supose:p) and look out for speed traps, hitchhikers, blow-outs, etc... All while trying to get to your destination to save your _____(fill in the blank.:)
Also....
Remember the movie: Cannonball Run ????
What a game that would make.
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You guys have some good responses but let me ask you this. I don\'t want to sound like I\'m dissing sony but why do you buy their videogame products if you know that is what they promote. I\'m not saying don\'t buy anything ( I have a PS1 but I didn\'t buy it and I did buy some games for it) but if you konow that is where sony wants to take videogames and you don\'t like it why buy their games that are saturating the market. I don\'t know if I need to lighten up but I won\'t buy their system until I see them concentrate a little more on gaming period. They do have the power to do so. If you think I\'m going to miss out think again. I didn\'t have a genesis but I played all the great games and my cousin gave me his PS1 and I either borrowed or rented the great games so I will never miss out. The Gamemaster has spoken.
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Originally posted by TheGamemaster
You guys have some good responses but let me ask you this. I don\'t want to sound like I\'m dissing sony but why do you buy their videogame products if you know that is what they promote. I\'m not saying don\'t buy anything ( I have a PS1 but I didn\'t buy it and I did buy some games for it) but if you konow that is where sony wants to take videogames and you don\'t like it why buy their games that are saturating the market. I don\'t know if I need to lighten up but I won\'t buy their system until I see them concentrate a little more on gaming period. They do have the power to do so. If you think I\'m going to miss out think again. I didn\'t have a genesis but I played all the great games and my cousin gave me his PS1 and I either borrowed or rented the great games so I will never miss out. The Gamemaster has spoken.
What choice do you have? Sony may promote the quanity over quality notion, but if you love some killer games, you don\'t have a chance. For example, if you wanted to play the true version of Resident Evil, then you would of had to have the Psone. Yes, the Saturn had a conversion of it, but it was nowhere near as good as the PSone. What about WarHawk? Twisted Metal 1 and 2? So on and so on. While, we may disagree with it. There isn\'t alot of choice. Sony knows this, that is why they don\'t care. As long as they keep securing developers, it assures themself a great market status, even if there is 20 crap titles for 1 great title.
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i would like to see nintendo go in the "non suck" direction
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Originally posted by Clyde
i would like to see nintendo go in the "non suck" direction
Ha Ha, that is sooo true, my primate brother. :P
While I can admit that Nintendo is an industry leader, I\'m really sick of their products. *cough* Pokemon *cough*
3-D Platformers - Mario 64 was a crappy game and Nintendo really pisses me off by releasing Banjo and Conker and numerous others.
Mario Kart was fun but Diddy Kong sucked.
GoldenEye was fun for awhile but multiplayer got old. The main problem with all the FPS\'s was your opponent knew where you were during deathmatches.
I can\'t really name a single N64 game that was a must-have.
I\'d rather play the good ol\' NES, really, I would.
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Originally posted by Ashford
While I can admit that Nintendo is an industry leader, I\'m really sick of their products. *cough* Pokemon *cough*
3-D Platformers - Mario 64 was a crappy game and Nintendo really pisses me off by releasing Banjo and Conker and numerous others.
Mario Kart was fun but Diddy Kong sucked.
GoldenEye was fun for awhile but multiplayer got old. The main problem with all the FPS\'s was your opponent knew where you were during deathmatches.
I can\'t really name a single N64 game that was a must-have.
I\'d rather play the good ol\' NES, really, I would.
Oh boy....I would take Nintendo\'s games over Sony\'s any day.
I like most of the people here would like to see more quality over quantity. This is probably going to happen soon once the video game industry goes into a recession. A lot of people are going to stop buying games forcing companies to put out less games and hopefully better ones.
BTW, Are we allowed to call Clyde a troll? Just wondering. :D
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I would like to see videogames simulate more outdoor enviorments rather than some building or corridor. Anyone here ever play Ultima 9?? Excellent concept with the enviorment! It ran like **** but it looked good!
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I will never miss out on any games on a system that I dont buy because I find a way to get one in my possesion(legally) and all the good games. Sooner or later I will have a PS2 and the good games it will have. The Gamemaster has spoken.
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I have absolutly no problems with the direction of gaming
The PS2 is alot of fun games are getting better as developers get over the learning curve
I hate Nintendo franchises but for those that like them enjoy em
To me the only people *****ing about the direction of the game industry are diehard Sega and Nintendo nuts because they\'re game systems aren\'t top dog anymore. Since they\'re opinion of a great game differs from the alot of people they allow themselves to believe SOny or whoever is responsible for some misguiding of the videogame industry
Irronically I support Sony 1st because of there forsight and continuos investment into the industry
Sony is the great for the industry and is pushing everyone.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Sony is the great for the industry and is pushing everyone.
Pushing them where? All Sony does is make hardware.
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I like the way things are headed, at least right now. Awesome graphics, great competition, online gaming (I can\'t wait... i can\'t wait... gotta buy a dc), etc...
Soon I\'ll have the GBA, also, so thats good, too.
i would like to see nintendo go in the "non suck" direction
Don\'t worry, Clyde...
3-D Platformers - Mario 64 was a crappy game...
Opinion... and one that many don\'t agree with, I might add.
...and Nintendo really pisses me off by releasing Banjo and Conker and numerous others.
Well, if it helps you to calm down, somewhat, it was Rare who made Banjo and Conker--not Nintendo. Banjo, does play a lot like Mario, but really is a really different game (and many consider it to be one of the best platformers...). Conker... Conker... like Mario 64? How? Okay, the gameplay [and it probably uses some kind of modded engine, buts thats a given], but aside from that, Conker is very different (Believe me, I\'ve played it). It seems a lot, though, that Rare does release a lot of Nintendo copies.
Mario Kart was fun but Diddy Kong sucked.
Couldn\'t agree more. I love Mario Kart and I still play it today (multiplayer), but Diddy Kong sucked... big time. It did have some good ideas with interchangeable vehicles and an adventure mode, but... no thanks, Rare.
GoldenEye was fun for awhile but multiplayer got old.
Interesting... Most everyone I know was addicted to GE for a loooooong time.
The main problem with all the FPS\'s was your opponent knew where you were during deathmatches.
Hopefully, this will be a plus with online gaming... general fps comment...
I can\'t really name a single N64 game that was a must-have.
I obviously don\'t agree with you here, but everyone has their own opinions, right?
I\'d rather play the good ol\' NES, really, I would.
Funny... I was actually looking around for a NES that worked still so I could play some old classics. :)
When you come across those old gray cartridges like Super Mario Bros. and Zelda...
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Originally posted by Gohan
Pushing them where? All Sony does is make hardware.
Obviously you don\'t have a clue now do you
Yes Sony is pushing the hardware portion of the industry and investing heavily into it, but
What about games like
ATV Offroad Fury
Dark Cloud
Extermination
The Getaway
Dropship
GT3
Wipeout Fusion
Phase Paradox
Devil and I
Naughty Dogs offering (Sony 1st party)
Verant Interactive ofering (another Sony 1st party)
and about 15 to 20 more Sony 1st party PS2 games that ae going to be announced between now and E3
Gran Turismo is in a class of its own
The Getaway is looking to be one of the most ambitious games ever made
Dropship looks Kick ass in its early form
Wipeout Fusion is another fine looking game
Devil and I looks sweet, and very original in storyline and graphics
Extermination already won Famitsu Silver
Sony is not known for there games but that WILL CHANGE during this generation. Sony is no longer a rookie they are an industry leader and is obviously doing exactly what it takes to stay there
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Good for Sony... obviously trying hard to shed that image that they can\'t make games on their own that they made last generation. Another example of a company changing [mostly] through the release of a new console.
Anyways, I see Nintendo changing in the same way--Sure, their big guns lie in their 1st and 2nd party titles and parties, but I think that they will get a growing amount of 3rd party support. (kind of opposite from Sony\'s position).
Just an idea....
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I\'d like to see videogames go in the insane attention to detail direction that MGS2 and Shenmue are taking. Being able to interact with absolutely everything really adds inmensely to a game, and it just makes it so that there is always something new to discover, and situations are never the same the secon time around.
Take MGS2. People are playing the game and they say, hey wonder what\'ll happen if I aim at this guys crotch, lo and behold they start to tremble. Or what\'ll happen if I shoot this or that; can I take prisoners hostage? Etc.
The fact that you can interact with almost anything and that there is a cause effect relationship to all your actions means that you are allowed to think in a more ample manner. Now instead of just running into a room an killing everybody you can go about it diffrent ways. You can use a hostage,or you can blow up a gas canister, or maybe acces the room through a ventilation shaft. The choice is yours.
This is one of the reasons I think I\'ll play the MGS2 demo for alot longer than 1 hour. You\'ll be able to do so much cool **** that it\'ll never get old.
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Originally posted by kangu-G^Ltt^s
I\'d like to see videogames go in the insane attention to detail direction that MGS2 and Shenmue are taking. Being able to interact with absolutely everything really adds inmensely to a game, and it just makes it so that there is always something new to discover, and situations are never the same the secon time around.
Of course this would be the best, but the budgets for these games are immense, and lots of developers can\'t afford or risk this kind of investment. On the other hand a well liked and popular Franchise can afford this, or a powerful Developer.
We will see more and more games with more and more enviroment interaction and attention to detail, but it will take a few generations into the new hardware for all machines and it will take developers with talent to make it happen.
GC and XBox have ease of Dev going for them, while the PS2 has immense flexibility
Still the men will be seperated from the boys this generation more then the last
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I don\'t mind Nintendo not being market leader or Sega I really could care less but I do care if gameplay becomes less and less of a factor on why a game sells and in my opinion sony could care less about how good their games are. I just want them and nintendo to sort of mix each others strategy. Basically I want quality and quantity at the same time on one system. I want to be able to be satisfied by one system and not four. This was the first time that it took more than one system to satisfy my gaming taste. Way too much money for me too handle. I do like the way some things are heading like online gaming but I would much rather see gameplay evolve before the othe good stuff.
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I want to see game with unlimited replay value and extreme multiplayer action. I love 4 player multitap games, and I want to see a lot more of those. I love fighting games, and some car games (GT and TM series) because of their replay value. I love RPGs because they are so long and take me forever to pass them. I guess I just want more games that are worth my $50.
I also want to see some more 2D games. With the processing power that consoles have these days, there could be some insane 2D games made. Yes, it is very hard for developers to go back to using sprites instead of the nice, relatively easy 3D stuff, but that\'s what I want. :)
I also want a whole new video game genre to come out. All games can be put into either Fighter, RPG, Action, etc. I want a whole new fun genre to be made up. I think there is still something out there, someone just needs to stumble upon that great idea to bring it to life.
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Ironfist that is what I want as well but I don\'t see it all of it hapeneing yet. Multipalyer will be on nintendo for sure but I thinks its iffy on PS2 beause of the two ports(everybody will not buy a multitap) but hopefully they will prove me wrong. I definatley want more for my buck because videogaming is just darn right expensive and a lot of developers need to go back to the roots which is 2d. Maybe somebody will stuble upon something new while trying to bring bsck the old. The Gamemaster has spoken.
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toothpick...
Yes, different strokes for different folks.
I\'m tired of all platformers, 2-D or 3-D. I\'m aware of Rare making Banjo and Conker. But because they are exclusive to Nintendo, it makes the N64 look less attractive.
All FPS get boring fast. GE was no exception. The multiplayer is the sole saving grace and the problem here was the 4-player split screen. Just watch your opponent to know where he/she is. FPS\'s are always better on the PC.
As for the N64 games, they either sucked, couldn\'t hold my interest long enough, a superior version was on another console or PC, or was a genre I just plain hated.
Don\'t get me started on Pokemon. (This alone makes me hate Nintendo)
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Obviously you don\'t have a clue now do you
Now that wasn\'t necessary was it? :D
Originally posted by ddaryl
Yes Sony is pushing the hardware portion of the industry and investing heavily into it, but
What about games like
ATV Offroad Fury
Dark Cloud
Extermination
The Getaway
Dropship
GT3
Wipeout Fusion
Phase Paradox
Devil and I
Naughty Dogs offering (Sony 1st party)
Verant Interactive ofering (another Sony 1st party)
and about 15 to 20 more Sony 1st party PS2 games that ae going to be announced between now and E3
Maybe my statement came out wrong. I am in no way saying that Sony\'s games suck. I am just saying that their games are not pushing the industry anywhere(at the moment). If anyone\'s games are pushing the industry it would have to be some of Sega\'s development houses(AMD in particular) and some of Hideo Kojima\'s games. These games sell very well and they are very innovative. IMO, That would spark other development houses to do something different in order to make that next dark horse hit.
Originally posted by ddaryl
Sony is not known for there games but that WILL CHANGE during this generation. Sony is no longer a rookie they are an industry leader and is obviously doing exactly what it takes to stay there
I don\'t disagree with you. Sony knows that a lot of developers are going to go multi-platform because that makes the most financial sense and that exclusives are going to be the big draw this generation.
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toothpick...
Yes, different strokes for different folks.
I\'m tired of all platformers, 2-D or 3-D. I\'m aware of Rare making Banjo and Conker. But because they are exclusive to Nintendo, it makes the N64 look less attractive.
Actually, I think it makes it more attraction, seeming as all of those games are good/great or have gotten good/great reviews.
All FPS get boring fast. GE was no exception. The multiplayer is the sole saving grace and the problem here was the 4-player split screen. Just watch your opponent to know where he/she is. FPS\'s are always better on the PC.
I can\'t argue with you here, because its obvious that you don\'t really like FPS\'s or ones on consoles. However, that is just your opinion. I know (and am a) people that played GE over and over and over and never got tired of it. Perfect Dark is the same way--its replay value and mutli-player modes are awesome. I\'ve been playing it (and my friends) since it\'s release and the fun hasn\'t stopped. Its just fun. This is also saying something b/c my friend also has TimeSplitters, Half-life, and Quake, I believe. (you can\'t really compare Hl and Quake, though...) He [and me] think that PD can hold its own against some of the best.
Also, this next generation, fps will be even better because of online play. What makes them on the PC better? Large screen all to your self during multiplayer? Done w/ the consoles this generation. Keyboard and mouse? Well, this is opinion... they will be available for the systems though.
As for the N64 games, they either sucked, couldn\'t hold my interest long enough, a superior version was on another console or PC, or was a genre I just plain hated.
Whatever... There are some that suck, there are some that I\'m sure don\'t interest you b/c of the genre the\'re in, there are many that don\'t have the best replay value, and there are a few that have superior versions on other consoles, BUT... all said and done, the N64 still has some awesome games. Not disagreeing that you should like them, but that there are awesome games for it.
Don\'t get me started on Pokemon. (This alone makes me hate Nintendo)
You hate Nintendo for one game that they make? Thats stupid...
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toothpick...
Uh...one Pokemon game??? Try several. More than one on N64 alone. Who even mentioned N64, concerning Pokemon? Who even mentioned games? All this garbage they put out sickens me to no end.
Okay, so I\'m being disrespectful by using such harsh words. I shoulda just said I dislike Pokemon and haven\'t been too happy with Nintendo after the NES.
As for FPS on PC, besides full screen, better graphics, better control w/ a mouse and keyboard, better multiplayer, as long as you have a good connection, plus patches, updates, expansion sets, etc. Yes, consoles will or have some of these features but I still prefer my PC FPS.
I don\'t care if 99% of the people think the N64 had awesome games. I think many were mediocre or got old really fast. Who\'s to say what I think should influence you or anyone else?
What is with you? Your first reply was civilized and respectful and now with this, you call me stupid, just because I refuse to rank Nintendo atop my list?
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I wish that the console, pc and arcade industry would merge together in some sort of way. You know.. that pc games can play online with console and arcade gamers. Companies such as square and sega are trying to do this, unfortunatly the pc indusrty is tottaly different. Pc games aren\'t fun on colsoles and vise vera :( So I dont think this will happen
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How the hell can people ***** about Nintendo\'s 1st and 2nd party games, when Sony\'s 1st and 2nd party games are more useful as a mini-frisbee than a game?
I fail to understand that.
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Uh...one Pokemon game??? Try several. More than one on N64 alone. Who even mentioned N64, concerning Pokemon? Who even mentioned games? All this garbage they put out sickens me to no end.
Whoops, I meant franchise. Anyways, its not like Nintendo makes the cartoon show or the merchandise (sure they own it, but).
Okay, so I\'m being disrespectful by using such harsh words. I shoulda just said I dislike Pokemon and haven\'t been too happy with Nintendo after the NES.
What was wrong with the SNES?
As for FPS on PC, besides full screen, better graphics, better control w/ a mouse and keyboard, better multiplayer, as long as you have a good connection, plus patches, updates, expansion sets, etc. Yes, consoles will or have some of these features but I still prefer my PC FPS.
The PC FPS won\'t have all those advantages for long--consoles (at least at first) should start to pull away on the GFX and with awesome multiplayer, so you can have full screen. You also can buy keyboards and mouse, too. Patches? Got them there, but is that a good thing? Expansion sets--thats true, they add a lot to the game (brood war...).
Even so, GE [and PD] are awesome games that should be [at least at the time] must-buys if you remotely liked the genre.
I don\'t care if 99% of the people think the N64 had awesome games. I think many were mediocre or got old really fast. Who\'s to say what I think should influence you or anyone else?
Thats your opinion. However, I was just pointing out that your opinion was actually against what many people\'s opinions are. I think its kinda funny, though... Even though some of the games didn\'t have the long gametime like FF or whatever, the multiplayer on the N64 is the best. For a lot of games, you can have soooo much fun for a long time.
What is with you? Your first reply was civilized and respectful and now with this, you call me stupid, just because I refuse to rank Nintendo atop my list?
Thats not what I said. First of all, I did not call you stupid. What I said was that I thought it was stupid [the concept, not you] to hate a company [ie: Nintendo] just because you hate one of their products [ie: pokemon], when they have many other games that could possibly be fun.
You can rank whoever you want at the top of your list--I don\'t care, and I don\'t think you could change my mind or me yours.
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toothpick...
Because Nintendo owns the Pokemon franchise, I can dislike them for that, even if they did not actually develop the product. They make the decisions concerning it.
Nothing was really wrong with the SNES. I just preferred Genesis. The SNES controller was too awkward for me, hence the reason why I dislike the PS controllers. Too similar.
Should it matter whether I go against 1% or 99% of the public opinion. Either way, it\'s still my opinion.
I don\'t hate Nintendo just for Pokemon. I don\'t really hate Nintendo. I take back what I said. What I meant was that Pokemon was enough for me to dislike them but there are other factors as well. Unappealing games, expensive games, no 3rd party support, etc.
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Well, if this assures you any, there will be more 3rd party support on the GC (thats not saying much, though. We won\'t know how much til for awhile), the games will be cheaper, and there will be a larger variety of them (more and new 2nd party devs).
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If I buy a GC, it probably wouldn\'t be for Nintendo\'s franchises. It would most likely be for Sega\'s exclusives (if there are any), Capcom\'s, plus whatever third-party exclusives are available.
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I\'m looking forward to Eternal Darkness, and Too Human on GC.
Eternal Darkness - http://ign64.ign.com/previews/11542.html
Too Human -
http://cube.ign.com/previews/15333.html
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2 games targeted to the more mature or older ages... i might point out.