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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: on March 22, 2001, 07:26:17 AM
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Before I say few intelligent words I would like to note that I am trying to be as neutral as I can possibly be in this situation.
Some variables that could influence on my objectivity are: the fact that I owned SNES gaming system eight years ago (I am still in love in that thing), the fact that I don`t like PSOne to much and the fact that I think that those guys in Microsoft are dirty, rotten scum.
I will start of by saying few things about all third generation consoles:
Playstation 2 is one of those consoles that had success in their blood, firstly because they are developed by the smartest minds in all of the technical world, the guys from SONY. There were some concerns that the PS2 is a bit overhyped by media and SONY itself but that is because they had every reason on this world to do it. PS2 is realy a brilliant piece of electronic wonder, it`s graphics are unsurpassed (and probably will be before PS3 ofcourse), it`s DVD (although not top-notch) is great and for the 99,9% of regular users will be marveolus… Some people are saying that the only trouble about PS2 is the lack of games on the market, that`s not true, PS2 is still an baby and the games will start to come out when it will be a teenager, that means that games will start to bloom this summer !!! And with every passing week the games will become more complex in graphics and their other aspects.
Nintendo Game Cube is a marveolus attempt of Nintendo to regain it`s place at the top of console market and even to win the «console war» !!! Well, GC is one heck of great piece of hardware but sadly Nintendo announced that it will be for the youngest segment of console gamers. But still, it is really good in comparison to that damned X-BOX !!! Although it is not meant to compete against SONYs wonder.
Microsoft X-BOX is… Is a… I can`t write tha word that would describe it… OK, let`s go on. Some people say that all people that love X-BOX are either SONYs or Nintendos lovers, but that`s not true. I realy liked the idea of Windows powered console, but then, one day it hit me… A cousin of my friends friends girlfriend became a beta tester of that awful thing, well it is complicated story of how did I get it but I am assuring you that it is rubbish. For this review I talked with a certified game programmer, he said that X-BOX games will be based on DirectX API and that is a doubleedged sword, it means that it will be a lot easier to program for X-BOX but the games will be noticable worse than on PS2 !!! And man, this is the worst design job on a console that I`ve seen since… Well I never saw such an ugly thing before. That thing should sit next to your TV and not to a toaster, that yellowish sphere is realy going on my nerves, it looks like someone (probably Bill Gates) puked on it.
Conclusion. Well, it is obvious who is winner in this review, SONYs PS2 is realy the best choice for either a Home entertainment enthusiat or professional gamer. Game Cube is great for younger players and X-BOX is worth of nothing, it is not even worth of your attention.
Now I will say why do I, and a lot of other people hate Microsofts attempt at console market. Firstly, it is so obvious that those guys are trying to make more money on cheap attempts like X-BOX, and do you remember of that affair from gamestock some time ago. I mean, they tried to impress public with falsificates, that is obviously the sign of X-BOX`s inferiority towards SONYs PS2. One more thing, windows are the worst possible gaming solution !!! And do you remember how did all other American and European consoles succeded in world, they died (just like unfortunate, although Japanese, Dreamcast did). In retrospective, we have to honour what SEGA`s Dreamcast did for PS2, it opened a whole new era in games market, it opened the sales of the third generation consoles !!!
«Man must put an end to war, before war puts an end to mankind.»
In case some of you don`t understand that refers to "console war" !!!
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Originally posted by Riki
Before I say few intelligent words I would like to note that I am trying to be as neutral as I can possibly be in this situation.
Your post was FAR from neutral. All you did was list your own personal biased opinions. Everyone is entitled to their views, but Just because you hate MS doesn\'t mean the XBox will not be an awesome machine, hence your view that the games will be "noticable worse than on the PS2" is laughable!
Also, you should stick to just ONE topic in your posts, since those who are opposed to your views maybe the same who could help you out (but choose not to as a result!).
Anyway, welcome to the boards. :)
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Well there, you have a point, I was thinking about beeing neutral but then I have decided to write my feelings against Microsofts debut in console market.
That with games beeing lot worse was partly right, because DirectX API has it`s fair share of advantages but it also has much bigger share of disadvantages... Not to mention that Windows are not a good gaming system.
I am not owning yet neither of those systems but I played on them and did some detective work on them, thats why I said that I will try to be as objective as possible.
Whatever I write against Microsoft it`s what I think, but they sure do excellent business aplications, although not as good games !!!
My real feeling is that they should stick to they valuable business apps work, not to go onto making their probably largest mistake with X-BOX !!!
Thank you for correcting me.
p.s. what is your possition in console wars ?!
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Besides reminding us that it is "dead", why is Dreamcast not included in your list of next generation consoles?
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That is a good question. To be honest I think it should rest in peace, whilst I am not a fan of Dreamcast I don`t hate it. If I`ve included Dreamcast to next gen list there would surely be people that would spit on it and shared theirs opinions. But think, Dreamcast opened a door to next gen gaming !!! SEGA, NINTENDO and SONY are all proved to be great console manufacturers, and now those vultures from Microsoft want to squeze more money from people with their infant !!! Shame on them.
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Originally posted by Riki
That is a good question. To be honest I think it should rest in peace, whilst I am not a fan of Dreamcast I don`t hate it. If I`ve included Dreamcast to next gen list there would surely be people that would spit on it and shared theirs opinions. But think, Dreamcast opened a door to next gen gaming !!! SEGA, NINTENDO and SONY are all proved to be great console manufacturers, and now those vultures from Microsoft want to squeze more money from people with their infant !!! Shame on them.
Errrrr.....
Weren\'t those "vultures from Sony" squeezing more money from people with their infant?
As for DC, it is NOT dead. Games are still coming out through next year, at least. Production of consoles will soon stop, that\'s all.
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Originally posted by Riki
p.s. what is your possition in console wars ?!
I\'ll keep it short. :)
Playstation2 -
This will be the number one console for some time to come. Success which (IMO) has come off the back of the Playstation, rather than it\'s own merrit, but then again, perhaps Sony deserve it after producing the superb PSX. If it does lose it\'s top position, then it will probably lose it to the XBox, but not for atleast 2-3 years after the XBox\'s release.
As a console, I find the PS2 to be very disappointing. Not only does it fall WAY short of the power Sony promised, but it is overly complicated and lacks many features in hardware.
GC -
Nintendo appears to have corrected many of the mistakes they made with the N64 (although I\'m still not sold on their \'mini-DVD\' format). No-one can doubt the quality of their first-party titles, but again they are mostly targetting the younger gamer, hence I expect to see \'Pokemon Cube\' very soon. :)
As a console, it is very impressive, easier to program and is more powerful than the PS2, BUT it is not as flexible or as programmable. Hence although the GC may be more impressive than the PS2 initially, we may see the PS2 \'fight back\' as developers get to grips with Sony\'s complicated hardware.
XBox -
MS have taken the same approach to the industry that Sony took with the original PSX, hence I\'m very impressed. The XBox has the chance to overtake the PS2, but this will only happen if it a) has the games and b) these games blow away their PS2 counterparts. Time will tell. Some will no doubt highlight the need for support from Japan.
As a console, not only is it more powerful than the GC and PS2, but offers immence power and flexibility through it\'s programmable pixel shaders and vertex shaders.
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All the above are great consoles, hence I\'m not against any of them because I\'m a games fan first. I bought a PS2 for my brother last Christmas, and may purchase a GC, but only after the XBox.
IMO, the Xbox will prove itself to be the best console this generation. :)
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OK let`s face it, some people like PS2, some people like GC and some of them like X-BOX, hey let us not forget Dreamcast (happy, Ashford ?!!!) !!! This is all great, it is crap that one person can have same feelings about all consoles ,sooner or later one will find out that this is the console that he likes (i intentionally don`t want to name the console). I personally like PS2, but that is because I saw what other third gen consoles can do !!! OK ?! And I didn`t mean that Dreamcast is dead in way that no one want`s to buy it anymore, but that SEGA gave up on it !!!
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Originally posted by Riki
This is all great, it is crap that one person can have same feelings about all consoles ,sooner or later one will find out that this is the console that he likes (i intentionally don`t want to name the console).
Who said anything about the same feelings about all consoles? You asked for my view on the console wars and I gave it as honestly as I could. But only fanboys believe that to like one console requires the hatred of others!!!
I don\'t hate MS, Sony, Nintendo or Sega, so I judge their consoles on what I feel they can give to me as a games player.
I make no secret that I favour the XBox, but should that really require me to hate the PS2 or GC or DC as a result? The answer is no!
I personally like PS2, but that is because I saw what other third gen consoles can do !!! OK ?!
The XBox and GC have not been released yet, therefore we\'ve only seen a little of what these consoles are capable of.
BTW. Both Ashford and myself have offered good responces to your posts, and yet I detect anger in your last post. Why?
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Originally posted by Riki
but that SEGA gave up on it !!!
SEGA was not and will not give up on it no one in Japan would buy it. SO they said they would stop producing it. If no one is buying your product causing you to lose money it does not make financial sense to continue making the product. Sega has a ton of games coming out for the DC in 2001 and 2002. That doesn\'t constitute giving up on something in my book.
Most of the people who have read my posts know that I am a diehard Nintendo fan but I buy all consoles and will buy a GCN and X-box. Like Dr. Yassam said, liking one console does not mean hating all the others. Like if you had children and one of them was your favorite, would you kick the other ones out the house?
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I didn`t say that I hate SEGA, SONY, NINTENDO or any other firm, I only said that I don`t like Microsofts debut with X-BOX, believe me, I wouldn`t even say that if ain`t 100% sure that it isn`t a good console. Time will show ! I am not angry on people that like X-BOX, i have ton of work collegues that can`t hardly wait for X-BOX, and I sure do respect their opinions. What are you saying for me beeing angry, as I can see I am one of those rare people that respect PS2, NINTENDO and SEGA ?! I feel, you are a bit upset ! Just kidding.
p.s. You are all using the term "Fanboy", give me a definition of that term and tell me why is it so bad to be a "Fanboy" ?!!!
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
I\'ll keep it short. :)
Playstation2 -
This will be the number one console for some time to come. Success which (IMO) has come off the back of the Playstation, rather than it\'s own merrit, but then again, perhaps Sony deserve it after producing the superb PSX.
...Dr Yassam...You can\'t judge a Console for the games it offers in the First year of Life...Don\'t you agree? PS2 has an enormous potential and we have to wait a little more to see the fruits!...PS2 will be a successful console...sure...and its games will make it Great...not the success of the PSX! SSX,Madden 2001,Time Splitters,ATV Offroad Fury,TTT,DOA2,StarWars Starfighter,Onimusha,ZOE,Sky Odyssey,Shodow of Memories,Knockout Kings 2001,Moto GP,RayMan Revolution...are really good games and if you look at Great promises like GT3(...and GT4 very well in development),FFX(FFXI,FFXII...and do you know Square are developing 23 games only for the PS2?),Devil May Cry,Soul Reaver 2,MGS2,Silent Hill 2(...and do you know Konami will spend 70% of their resources for PSone and PS2?)The Lost,The Getaway,Twisted Metal Black,Tekken 4,Soul Calibur 2,AC 4 and sure you know Namco are developing 12 games for the PS2...and what about all the secret games we won\'t see until E3?
...and Virtua Fighter 4?...by now exclusive for PS2?...and sources close to Sega have confirmed that both Headhunter(The Dreamcast answer to Metal Gear Solid 2) and Ecco the Dolphin are set to appear on PlayStation 2!
Dr Yassam? PS2 will have success thanks to its merit=GAMES ;) ...don\'t make the mistake of common zealot X-Fan...I think you are different...
If it does lose it\'s top position, then it will probably lose it to the XBox, but not for atleast 2-3 years after the XBox\'s release.
...and the GameCube? I really think it\'s the main competitor of the PS2...E3 will prove my point(well...I\'m confident...)...but...however...show me some real motivations of your thoughts...
As a console, I find the PS2 to be very disappointing. Not only does it fall WAY short of the power Sony promised, but it is overly complicated and lacks many features in hardware.
...superficial and BS statement...disappointed? By GT3,MGS2 and Devil May Cry? Have you seen what PS2 can really do???...NO...then..what are you speaking about? ...and however...I don\'t care two pins for it...I mean...if Japanese Developers prefer PS2...There\'s a Reason!...and if the most talented developers consider the PS2 a beast capable of "Almost Toy Story Graphics" when fully pushed :D....well...I prefer to believe to this People rather than....
XBox -
MS have taken the same approach to the industry that Sony took with the original PSX, hence I\'m very impressed. The XBox has the chance to overtake the PS2, but this will only happen if it a) has the games and b) these games blow away their PS2 counterparts. Time will tell. Some will no doubt highlight the need for support from Japan.
As a console, not only is it more powerful than the GC and PS2, but offers immence power and flexibility through it\'s programmable pixel shaders and vertex shaders....
http://sellmic.com/amped_strange_edges.jpg
http://www.mikekraus.de/lol.jpg
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/story.cfm?sid=2371
...that\'s what you mean? :D
All the above are great consoles, hence I\'m not against any of them because I\'m a games fan first. I bought a PS2 for my brother last Christmas, and may purchase a GC, but only after the XBox.
IMO, the Xbox will prove itself to be the best console this generation. :)
...yes...the best console after PS2 and GC :D .....well...I\'m joking:)....let\'s wait and see....it\'s too early....
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I wouldn\'t expect everyone to agree with all my comments on the console wars, since it depends on which console you prefer. :)
However, my view that the PS2 hasn\'t made it on it\'s own merrit is directed towards Sony\'s hardware only, NOT the developers themselves.
I have no doubt that if the PS2 was the console Sony promised, ALL the great games you mentioned would have been vastly improved, they would have been SO much better.
The way I see it, if the PS2 console hardware was in fact MS\'s entry into the console market, most developer\'s would have avoided it like the plague. They would have given all the same reasons we\'ve heard before (complexity, lack of libraries, steep learning curve, high developement cost etc) as their reasons for NOT supporting MS\'s console!
Hence without the PSX before it, I very much doubt the PS2 would have had the scale of support we see today. This may seem a little harsh, but it doesn\'t mean I don\'t view the PS2 as a great console.
....let\'s wait and see....it\'s too early....
There are many awesome games ahead for the PS2, but that applies to the XBox and GC also. Anyway, whichever console you prefer, it\'s going to be a great year for ALL gamers. So yes, it\'s too early, the best has yet to come. :)
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arguements about graphics are futile, in a recent artice, i found out that the systems in this generation all are very close graphically.
where did you get that x box graphics are worse than ps2? x box graphics do have the potential to become better than ps2\'s, but will the games be better? i dont undersand youre whole directX problem you seem to KNOW about...
plz explain.
:D:D
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My opinions go a little like this:
PS2) sucks...right now. I remember DC being alot better when comparing the two dates and times been out for both. But, ah, I am a Sega fan. With Sega on board for sure, I see this as probably the best console for the future. I just really dont wanna spend the next 5 years with the stupid Dual Shock (my opinion)
DC) Best console out there will probably remain it, even if the last game is released tomorrow. SO many classics in such a short time. No console will ever do that again. And I see a certain badness on the horizon, as the developers have seen the excellent games sell like crap, and the rehash after rehash sell bajillions.
X-Box) Will be an excellent console. No doubt about it. MS has really put a great machine together. Sadly, without a definite support from Sega, it will be number 2 in my book. Sega seems to have gotten the dev kits, I just wanna see what they have in store for the box.
GC) I will buy it, but it will probably get the least amount of play time from me. Definetly the console I am least excited about. Mario, yay. Zelda. yay. Metroid. Yay. This will be the console I will buy for Sega\'s more kiddy games (dont kill me Nintendo fans) like Sonic. Or for Sega\'s RPGs. I foretell this, as maybe Sega and Nintendos party Camelot will team up againf ro another Shining Force! THAT would rock.
GBA <----- sweet.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
My opinions go a little like this:
PS2) sucks...right now. I remember DC being alot better when comparing the two dates and times been out for both. But, ah, I am a Sega fan. With Sega on board for sure, I see this as probably the best console for the future. I just really dont wanna spend the next 5 years with the stupid Dual Shock (my opinion)
DC) Best console out there will probably remain it, even if the last game is released tomorrow. SO many classics in such a short time. No console will ever do that again. And I see a certain badness on the horizon, as the developers have seen the excellent games sell like crap, and the rehash after rehash sell bajillions.
X-Box) Will be an excellent console. No doubt about it. MS has really put a great machine together. Sadly, without a definite support from Sega, it will be number 2 in my book. Sega seems to have gotten the dev kits, I just wanna see what they have in store for the box.
GC) I will buy it, but it will probably get the least amount of play time from me. Definetly the console I am least excited about. Mario, yay. Zelda. yay. Metroid. Yay. This will be the console I will buy for Sega\'s more kiddy games (dont kill me Nintendo fans) like Sonic. Or for Sega\'s RPGs. I foretell this, as maybe Sega and Nintendos party Camelot will team up againf ro another Shining Force! THAT would rock.
GBA <----- sweet.
Eric Jacob
Exactly.
I\'ll end up getting each system --probably on their respective launch dates (Though I am in the process of purchasing a GBA on Ebay as I write this). But, in my opinion Sega proved they could make a great console in a extremely short amount of time.
The PS2, while I was not an active supporter of it since its launch. Infact, the day I received my unit (once again, on launch) I posted on this board asking if the PS2 was some sick joke from Sony. I was not impressed. But with the good games lately, and Sega supporting it I have almost complete faith in the system. Still, I think the initial success for the PS2 was not based on the PS2 hardware or games. It was based on the PSone success. Nothing more.
The XBox, in my opinion faces some rocky times, but will prove to be promising IF MS can secure the Japanese market. If they can do that, then they should be able to make a nice dent in the market.
Nintendo.... I\'m not excited. The GBA has me excited, but the GC doesn\'t. Mario, Zelda both sound great. But, as we all know Nintendo made a tragic move with Metriod (the FPS change). And that game alone, was the real reason for me wanting a GC.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
My opinions go a little like this:
PS2) sucks...right now. I remember DC being alot better when comparing the two dates and times been out for both. But, ah, I am a Sega fan. With Sega on board for sure, I see this as probably the best console for the future. I just really dont wanna spend the next 5 years with the stupid Dual Shock (my opinion)
Eric Jacob
LMAO, whatever
PS2 has been nothing but a kick ass time for me. Started off slow but there\'s no looking back now.
I have 9 games in my PS2 collection and all 9 have proven to be good times.
What did the DC show off 4.5 months after US release ???? In comparison they\'re on Par and the PS2 is just clearing its throat
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...but sadly Nintendo announced that it will be for the youngest segment of console gamers.
Since when?
...but again they are mostly targetting the younger gamer, hence I expect to see \'Pokemon Cube\' very soon.
So, because a pokemon game will be coming the Cube, then it will be kiddy? What does Pokemon have to do with it? I mean, every system has its kiddy games.
Anyways, don\'t make up your mind as to what Nintendo is doing this early (if anything, wait to E3). I\'m sure you\'ll still see the "family" games coming from 1st party Nintendo, but the variety and selection will come from their 2nd and 3rd parties (which, as of right now, at least, is nothing to brag about. This will change, if but a little)
Its still way too early to say anything about the console "wars". I mean, the Cube and the Box aren\'t coming out til late this year (unless they\'re delayed for some reason), and both MS (less than Nintendo) and Nintendo aren\'t really going "all out" with stuff and are holding back somewhat.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
LMAO, whatever
PS2 has been nothing but a kick ass time for me. Started off slow but there\'s no looking back now.
I have 9 games in my PS2 collection and all 9 have proven to be good times.
What did the DC show off 4.5 months after US release ???? In comparison they\'re on Par and the PS2 is just clearing its throat
I don\'t know man. I\'ve got 12 PS2 games and for the most part I am not impressed with those I picked up at launch.
As for the DC launch I was amazed.
I think, it is all personal preference. There wasn\'t alot of games that I was really interested in at PS2 launch--and those that I was, dissapointed me. Orphen. I was excited about it.....it sucked. Summoner looked bad. So on and so on. But, I\'ve moved on and I\'m enjoying the latest batch of great games.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
As for the DC launch I was amazed.
by what ????????
Sonic was so so
Soul Caliber got high ratings but I am no fight fan
what else was there it was awhile ago so I don\'t recall.
Yes it is personal preferences, but it alwyas seems to me when it scomes to the diehard DC and Nintendo fans they always have games that no one can ever touch or compare, and that I just can\'t agree with
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Im sorry ddaryl, I explained myself, I am a Sega fan. And at the time, DC had no wrong. My third PSX had broken down, so I was not pleased with Sony to say the least.
I had Crazy Taxi, Virtua Fighter 3tb, Sonic, Sega Rally 2, Crazy Taxi, Resident Evil, NFL2K, NBA2K, Soul Calibur (which I found pleasing the first week, stupid game after though), Blue Stinger (i loved this game, dont laugh!!), Slave Zero (also loved it, quit laughing!), House of the Dead 2, Aerowings, Armada, Vigilante 8 SO, Toy Commander, Powerstone, MDK2, Marvel vs. Capcom, etc.
I see your point as some of these titles were released a couple of months after this time frame, but I still think judging by PS2\'s current release lists, it aint getting too much better til summer. When it explodes into goodness, much like DC did in April through September.
all I gotta say is, bring on VF4 soon!
Eric Jacob
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I know which is better, do you ?
LMAO that was pretty funny.
Posted by Dr.Y
As a console, not only is it more powerful than the GC and PS2, but offers immence power and flexibility through it\'s programmable pixel shaders and vertex shaders.
Why Would you make a statement like that when you have no proof?
Since everyone is voicing their opinion on the next, I\'ll definately make mine heard as well.
DC- what can I say, this is a dieing console. Sega ****ed up big time with their previous system and it serverly cost them. What a shame.
IMO, I think a few people on the board over hype the DC( *cough* Altered, jm *cough*) Its not that great at all. I already own five big name titles and only one of them has delivered for me(NBA2K. im a bball player). The rest (THPS2, NFL2K, Shenmue, MSR) have really been major disapointments and a complete waste of my money. I\'ve rented the big name titles too, most of them followed suit. SC rocked, JGR was everage, I hated PSO, Sonic Adventue was lame, Grandia 2 was one of the best games that I have ever played, blah blah I could go on but I know I\'m in for a bashing from some die hard Sega fans...
**** I\'ve enjoyed my first five N64 games way more than my first five DC games. I hope I can find someone to buy this thing because I need some money for GBA this summer. :)
Moving on to the PS2- I would buy one maybe if I hadn\'t bought a DC but unfortuately I can\'t. I have more respect for PS2 lately because the games are slowly getting better( I played Onimusha and Star Fighter last night and was impressed :)) Still, two games arn\'t enough to buy a console for...
Sony will do good this generation because it\'s the follow up to the most popular console ever. I hope Square makes some good games for it like they did with the PSX because most of my PSX games are indeed Square games. Despite being the least powerful and hard to develop for, PS2 will be a success.
Xbox-no must have exclusives means no money from me.
GameCube- My favorite of course. I think GameCube will be the sneaky underdog this generation and they have something up their sleaves to help them. The N64 may have lacked but the GameCube doesn\'t seem that way. The GameCube has some of the most promising looking games for it schedculed for release this year.
I hate it how when ever morons bring up GameCube games they always bring up Mario, Zelda, Pokemon. Its so freakin predictable now. I\'m getting tired of this nonsense. GameCube has tons of mature games planned for it.
I think GameCube will do better than everyone expects it to. Nintendo is smart, they didn\'t win two straight generations with luck. And it has a secret weapon too...
GBA. :) Every GBA owner is a potential GameCube owner since there\'s a connectivity between the two. If 20 million people buy a GBA by the end of the year then a lot of those people will buy NGC too.
That gives me an idea...
I have a great idea for Nintendo- have a special device that allows you to play GBA games on your GameCube which will transfer the picture to your TV! It\'s possible. Nintendo could make millions off of this idea. Since I hear the GBA lighting is horriblr then it would make sense for the people who own one to purchase NGC for this feature. Bada bing!
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Ummm... I think its already known that you can play GBA games on your TV by hooking it up to your NGC, but I\'m not totally sure.
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Don`t insult NINTENDO and especially not it`s SNES, many, many, many great memories I have about it and it`s games. I grew up with it, and "Super Mario World", OK i find that game today a bit childish games but I still like to play them (when I have time, to much work...).
It would be better when we wouldn`t insult any of those consoles neither NINTENDO or SONY or SEGA, but just MICROSOFT, insult it to hell !!!
Just joking !!! It will surely be one awesome machine, but I still preffer SONY PS2 and I will do so till PS3 !!!
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Originally posted by ddaryl
by what ????????
Sonic was so so
it went on to sell nearly 2 million copies, where is the PS2\'s answer to that game?
Soul Caliber got high ratings but I am no fight fan
it still is amazing and sold over a million copies to the gaming public.
what else was there it was awhile ago so I don\'t recall.
NBA2K
NFL2K
Hydro Thunder
Power Stone
etc.
The US DC launch was better in terms of available software from the get go. You just can\'t argue that. Then the 2000 line up was freakin amazing (Ecco, Resident Evil, Power Stone 2, Skies of Arcadia, Jet Grind Radio, Shenmue, Quake 3, Sega GT, Grandia 2, Virtual On, MDK 2, Rayman 2, NBA 2K1, NFL 2K1, Virtua Tennis, Space Channel 5, Crazy Taxi, Samba De Amigo, and so on.)
PS2 DID have a rocky start. It sold well, but the software sucked. SSX being the exception. It looks like the PS2 isn\'t looking back and will have it\'s amazingness starting this fall. The rebirth in March got all fuked up with delays and all, but Devil May Cry and GT3 will be out soon and give testament too why PS2 will be a great system.
And too Riki,
Thanks, I needed the laugh.
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Well I don\'t care about the console war. Because when ps2 fist came out it was bashed all over for not living up to what it promised. I was not impressed with all the games as ps2 launch but when I got a ps2, I got games like madden,ssx,and TTT. And they where worth buying my ps2. Even though it was mocked bye ppl saying it did not offer anything beyone dreamcast graphics. Now the same thing is happening to xbox. It is like a repeating cycle. So what can we expect. So far not one company has did what they promised they say would do at launch. Next up is xbox at e3 will all see what all the hype is about I am excited. Just like I was for ps2 because I am a gamer not a fanboy.
P.S I will jump on the nintendo waggon when they show me one of my favorite fighting games. KI:p
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KI is rumoured to be in development... it was in Nintendo Power, I believe.
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You must admit that I have a point !
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I\'ll keep it short. :)
much like your intelligence eh?
Playstation2 -
This will be the number one console for some time to come. Success which (IMO) has come off the back of the Playstation, rather than it\'s own merrit, but then again, perhaps Sony deserve it after producing the superb PSX. If it does lose it\'s top position, then it will probably lose it to the XBox, but not for atleast 2-3 years after the XBox\'s release.
PSX did not have a DVD player...it did not have the graphics we see today and it did not have the HUGE number of games this early in it\'s life....and it did not have on-line play(which PS2 will have before xbox..:D)
xbox will have to sell 10,000,000 consoles in one year to ever even think about catching up to the PS2 user-base...and that is NOT going to happen...with nintendo right next to them on the shelves and mario with pokemon? i\'m sorry but xbox is just DOA.
As a console, I find the PS2 to be very disappointing. Not only does it fall WAY short of the power Sony promised, but it is overly complicated and lacks many features in hardware.
And xbox has?....LAUGHABLE..HA HA HA
show me one demo which proves xbox does 125mpps with heavy texturing and lighting(like microsoft claims)..you can\'t?...what a surprise:rolleyes:
Was DirectX easy to use when it first came out? yes or no? case closed.
it is NEW and REVOLUTIONARY hardware, what the hell do you expect? it was not going to be easy and MANY developers knew this...it is not a rehash mini PC like the xbox..
lacks BUILT-IN hardware features? SO? they can do it in software and developers prefer this method because they developer does the effect how HE wants it to be done, not be limited by a api...such as DX8.
GC -
Nintendo appears to have corrected many of the mistakes they made with the N64 (although I\'m still not sold on their \'mini-DVD\' format). No-one can doubt the quality of their first-party titles, but again they are mostly targetting the younger gamer, hence I expect to see \'Pokemon Cube\' very soon. :)
The funny thing is that "pokemon cube" will out sell your PC-port HALO by a MILE..no wait more like a by a light-year;)...hence more gamecubes will be sold there for xbox is going to get beat by pokemon alone...quite pathetic indeed:D
There are MANY MANY mature games coming to the Gamecube..you are to stupid and blind to admit this, i can\'t wait to play a game with a little girl with red hair and cute hammer to hit little monsters on the head with...what is the name of this innovative and mature game again? malice right?:D
As a console, it is very impressive, easier to program and is more powerful than the PS2, BUT it is not as flexible or as programmable. Hence although the GC may be more impressive than the PS2 initially, we may see the PS2 \'fight back\' as developers get to grips with Sony\'s complicated hardware.
God you are a damn hypocrite and contradict your self in that quote...why are you still bring up the hard to develop problem PS2 had when YOU admit it will be gone by the time gamecube comes(which is also xbox\'s date)???...
XBox -
MS have taken the same approach to the industry that Sony took with the original PSX, hence I\'m very impressed. The XBox has the chance to overtake the PS2, but this will only happen if it a) has the games and b) these games blow away their PS2 counterparts. Time will tell. Some will no doubt highlight the need for support from Japan.
I don\'t remember the PSX being down by 15million consoles...DOC;)
PSX won because of the SONY brand name, because it had the most third party support that was actully making games for it, because it was new technology...xbox is NONE of these.
As a console, not only is it more powerful than the GC and PS2, but offers immence power and flexibility through it\'s programmable pixel shaders and vertex shaders.
whatever xbox does in hardware/software PS2 does it just as good if not better in software:D....
find me a quote where someone from the xbox team says the effects the xbox will do are impossible on the PS2...please i want to see this.
All the above are great consoles, hence I\'m not against any of them because I\'m a games fan first. I bought a PS2 for my brother last Christmas, and may purchase a GC, but only after the XBox.
whatever:rolleyes: you slam GCN and PS2(like always) and defend and praise the xbox...you are bias and will never buy a PS2 nor GCN for your self...
You are a xbox zealot..everyone should take note and address you as such.
IMO, the Xbox will prove itself to be the best console this generation. :
Its a good thing that is your opinion because the FACT is xbox will NOT be the best, it will NOT have the best games, it will NOT win...it\'s as simple as that.
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N-Player, you have a good point there. Everything that you said is a complete truth !!!
Now all you X-...something fans, read the above statement and doubt that !!!
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Nplayer-2- I was going to quote and reply to the stupid things you were saying, but as I scrolled down, you say too many stupid things to bother addressing them.
You are a anti-xbox, and anti-common sense zealot..everyone should take note and address you as such. I\'ve never heard so many ignorant things said outside of a speech by G.W. Bush or David Duke.
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Look all of you, this is a PS2 forum, you X-BOX fans have your own on : xbox.com !!! OK ?! Go there and spit on whatever you want !!!
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Originally posted by Riki
Look all of you, this is a PS2 forum, you X-BOX fans have your own on : xbox.com !!! OK ?! Go there and spit on whatever you want !!!
I belong here, I\'m a PS2 fan. And your a idiot, but I don\'t tell you to leave...
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Then why are you insulting me or N-player-2 !!! No one is picking on you !!! Perhaps you are a PS2 fan, perhaps you aren`t, who cares !!! Why are you defending that crap of X-B...
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Originally posted by Riki
Then why are you insulting me or N-player-2 !!! No one is picking on you !!! Perhaps you are a PS2 fan, perhaps you aren`t, who cares !!! Why are you defending that crap of X-B...
Ummm, cause I\'m a g-a-m-e-r and you are both being u-n-f-a-i-r. I defend anything when it\'s being dissed for gay reasons, or your using a double standard (like with the other thread).
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Originally posted by Riki
Then why are you insulting me or N-player-2 !!! No one is picking on you !!! Perhaps you are a PS2 fan, perhaps you aren`t, who cares !!! Why are you defending that crap of X-B...
Lesson 1: This forum may be PS2, but it is dominated by multi-console gamers. Alot of us own multi-systems and will be making the purchase of an Xbox.
Lesson 2: You are maybe the first person--other then Trin (a fellow troll) who has ever taken up for Nplayer-2. Stick around, and you will see that all Nplayer ever does is find a system and post anti-threads about it. He done it with the Ps2 before. Big deal. He is on his anti-MS kick right now.
Lesson 3: Until you have played a Xbox, then you don\'t know if it is crap. You assume it is crap.
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Originally posted by Riki
Then why are you insulting me or N-player-2 !!! No one is picking on you !!! Perhaps you are a PS2 fan, perhaps you aren`t, who cares !!! Why are you defending that crap of X-B...
Riki, Nplayer is always known as the most stupid, ignorant, immature, childish, unintelligent person on every forum he participates in, and his Troll Alert pic confirms the same is true here.
As Ethugg has correctly noted, NP\'s post contains so many stupid comments that once again NP justifies being labelled a troll. Just the fact that he STILL cannot understand the difference between benchmark specs and ingame performance shows he is incapable of learning.
As usual, NP has attempted to turn a reasonably good mannered thread into a flame war.
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Riki-
I am sorry, but your lack of knowledge of ther English language (what I am blaming it on,a t least), makes you sound like a complete leg humping jackass. No offense of course, but N-Player is what we like to call an idiot around here.
This is a CONSOLE DEBATING forum, if we talk about X-Box, DC, GC, or SNES in here, it is because we are DEVBATYING over which we think is superior for what reasons, or what game is better than another similar title. You must get this through your head, people who play PS2 CAN also play X-Box, or whatever they choose.
He says that it is a fact X-Box will suck. but this cannot be proven, in fact I think it is a very plausible system. This is his biased opinion versus my gamers opinion.
Don\'t believe the crap. I already know you hate MS and now have an anyti-disposition against X-Box, for some reason, MS has done nothing to receive such idiotic hatred to you, or anyone else. Judge the system after it has been released.
N-Player - you are laughable at best, like usual.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Riki
Look all of you, this is a PS2 forum, you X-BOX fans have your own on : xbox.com !!! OK ?! Go there and spit on whatever you want !!!
This is a console debate forum, where almost anything goes
The main forum is primarily for PS2 news and fans, but here you fight the fight
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Originally posted by Riki
Then why are you insulting me or N-player-2 !!! No one is picking on you !!! Perhaps you are a PS2 fan, perhaps you aren`t, who cares !!! Why are you defending that crap of X-B...
Well no one is insulting n-plyaer he has been posting his bias views in most every forum I have been two. If it is not the ps2-then it is xbox. I guarantee you that if ps2 fell behind gcn and xbox and was on the brink of dc that he would be bashing ps2 into the ground. And as for you calling something crap that you have not experienced is pretty dumb and makes you look like a uneducated gamer.
p.s If you guys are truthful and KI is coming to gamecube. Then count me in. And I may find something else that I like in gamecube. But I got to have my Killer Instinct:D
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I know who is the new lamer, do you?
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Everyone`s a critic, hey what`s wrong with my English (I know it ain`t perfect, but give me a lesson or at least tell me the mistakes that I made) ?!
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I am the last person that can tell you whats wrong with your English but I can tell you alot about whats wrong with your attitude !!! It would be a long list of defects (that also worths for that NPlayer) !!!
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Here\'s my thoughts about all the "next-generation" consoles:
SEGA DREAMCAST
Definitely an amazing system that has been extremely under-hyped, due to Sega\'s lack of advertising skills. Nevertheless, those games who do pick of a Dreamcast will surely not be dissapointed. Sega creates and/or publishes some of the most original and creative games on the market. It is also home to the greatest fighting game ever: Soul Calibur, and to some addictive RPGs (Grandia 2, Skies of Arcadia, Phantasy Star Online). We all know that Sega is going third-party, but I still recommend that you pick up a DC.
SONY PLAYSTATION 2
It\'s starting to pick up speed after its way overhyped launch, which helped to dissapoint some gamers. The truth is that the launch games weren\'t that bad, although the quality was definitely lacking in the majority of the titles. Dead Or Alive 2 was an inferior version of the Dreamcast game (for some odd reason), but Tekken Tag Tournament was entertaining (if not similar to previous Tekken games), and SSX was a truly amazing snowboarding arcade game. The PS2 looks forward to smash titles such as Metal Gear Solid 2 and the Final Fantasy series, which will sell no matter what.
NINTENDO GAMECUBE
The Nintendo 64 was lacking in two departments: RPGs and Fighting games. Since the Gamecube seems to be fixing a few of the \'problems\' the N64 had, if it were to house some smash RPGs and Fighting games, this could become the top next-gen system. For sure, the first and second-party titles will probably not dissapoint, and with the return of third-party support, things are looking bright. Another plus to this system will be the tag price that will be considerably less expensive than systems that play DVDs. I don\'t know why people see Nintendo as "kiddie" just because it is home to some kid games (which are probably some of the funnest out there), because the N64 did have many more mature titles than the SNES. Although nothing can ever beat the SNES (except maybe GBA).
MICROSOFT X-BOX
I was dissapointed to see The Big M :) enter the console area, mostly because I don\'t feel like shelling out the big cash for yet another promising console. Yes, I said promising. If Microsoft can actually get a core audience in Japan, it may very well become the leader in a few years time. Munch\'s Oddysee and Bounty Hunter looks like fun games, and they\'ll be plenty more titles that will pop up at E3. If there is one thing that might hinder the X-Box... it\'s the release date. First off, even if the X-Box does see it\'s Fall 2001 release in the US, it likely will not be released until about 4-6 months later in Japan, and by that time may be obsolete. Even scarier, is that X-Box looks likely to arrive in 2002, or in 2001 with a very dismal launch list. The thing is, with Gamecube coming out in Japan first, and with hit properties such as Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon (which are among the most popular in Japan), X-Box will have a rough beginning.
Nintendo Game Boy Advance
"All your base are belong to us!" The least powerful and most portable of all systems will own big time says I. And connectivity with the Gamecube gives light to some very interesting console options.
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Originally posted by Riki
Everyone`s a critic, hey what`s wrong with my English (I know it ain`t perfect, but give me a lesson or at least tell me the mistakes that I made) ?!
Before you learn a lesson in English skills on a gaming internet message board, try learning a lesson in respect.
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Originally posted by Riki
Before I say few intelligent words I would like to note that I am trying to be as neutral as I can possibly be in this situation.
Some variables that could influence on my objectivity are: the fact that I owned SNES gaming system eight years ago (I am still in love in that thing), the fact that I don`t like PSOne to much and the fact that I think that those guys in Microsoft are dirty, rotten scum.
I will start of by saying few things about all third generation consoles:
Playstation 2 is one of those consoles that had success in their blood, firstly because they are developed by the smartest minds in all of the technical world, the guys from SONY. There were some concerns that the PS2 is a bit overhyped by media and SONY itself but that is because they had every reason on this world to do it. PS2 is realy a brilliant piece of electronic wonder, it`s graphics are unsurpassed (and probably will be before PS3 ofcourse), it`s DVD (although not top-notch) is great and for the 99,9% of regular users will be marveolus… Some people are saying that the only trouble about PS2 is the lack of games on the market, that`s not true, PS2 is still an baby and the games will start to come out when it will be a teenager, that means that games will start to bloom this summer !!! And with every passing week the games will become more complex in graphics and their other aspects.
Nintendo Game Cube is a marveolus attempt of Nintendo to regain it`s place at the top of console market and even to win the «console war» !!! Well, GC is one heck of great piece of hardware but sadly Nintendo announced that it will be for the youngest segment of console gamers. But still, it is really good in comparison to that damned X-BOX !!! Although it is not meant to compete against SONYs wonder.
Microsoft X-BOX is… Is a… I can`t write tha word that would describe it… OK, let`s go on. Some people say that all people that love X-BOX are either SONYs or Nintendos lovers, but that`s not true. I realy liked the idea of Windows powered console, but then, one day it hit me… A cousin of my friends friends girlfriend became a beta tester of that awful thing, well it is complicated story of how did I get it but I am assuring you that it is rubbish. For this review I talked with a certified game programmer, he said that X-BOX games will be based on DirectX API and that is a doubleedged sword, it means that it will be a lot easier to program for X-BOX but the games will be noticable worse than on PS2 !!! And man, this is the worst design job on a console that I`ve seen since… Well I never saw such an ugly thing before. That thing should sit next to your TV and not to a toaster, that yellowish sphere is realy going on my nerves, it looks like someone (probably Bill Gates) puked on it.
Conclusion. Well, it is obvious who is winner in this review, SONYs PS2 is realy the best choice for either a Home entertainment enthusiat or professional gamer. Game Cube is great for younger players and X-BOX is worth of nothing, it is not even worth of your attention.
Now I will say why do I, and a lot of other people hate Microsofts attempt at console market. Firstly, it is so obvious that those guys are trying to make more money on cheap attempts like X-BOX, and do you remember of that affair from gamestock some time ago. I mean, they tried to impress public with falsificates, that is obviously the sign of X-BOX`s inferiority towards SONYs PS2. One more thing, windows are the worst possible gaming solution !!! And do you remember how did all other American and European consoles succeded in world, they died (just like unfortunate, although Japanese, Dreamcast did). In retrospective, we have to honour what SEGA`s Dreamcast did for PS2, it opened a whole new era in games market, it opened the sales of the third generation consoles !!!
«Man must put an end to war, before war puts an end to mankind.»
In case some of you don`t understand that refers to "console war" !!!
So what you are saying is that you suck sony **** and you are not neutral at all. okay, next topic...