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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Claypool 2001 on March 26, 2001, 01:42:39 PM
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After reading many things about Game Cube, I\'ve often wonderd if people are getting tired of there games. Now, i owned a NES, SNES AND a N64, so im not saying I hate nintendo, but how many times is Mario going to have to rescue Princess Toadstool from Bowser? or how many times is Zelda going to have to kill Gannon to save the kingdom from being destoyed? I think (OPINION) that one of nintendo\'s weaknessess is that they are short on breaking new boundries with thier games. I give Sega its much needed credit with revolutionary games like Seaman (they tried) and PSO. Every system released by nintendo is guranteed to have Mario and a Zelda. This is not a bad thing, because I would try and milk a franchise as much as possible. Also, i notice that a lot of games that come out for Playstation, come out for Nintendo eventually. Im not trying to say that Nintendo is a bad system, they just need to close the books on mario and think of some new games. Finally, i understand its the same with Playstation (Twisted Metal, MGS, Crash) and Sega (SONIC and.....SONIC), but they are only about 3-5 years old, while Mario goes way back when I was still a zygote. thanks for reading and dont acuse me of flamming and call me names because I dont know what im talking about. :)
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Correction....
Sonic will (or has he already???) celebrate his 10th birthday.
I agree that Nintendo is not the same as it used to be. I used to love the 8-bit Marios. Then it got too repeitious and I just stopped playing them, altogether.
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Well, my GameCube is preordered and it would take a lot for me to not be excited by the GCN but the number of games I will buy for the system is a concern. My N64 was pretty ignored because all of the games started to feel the same and if Nintendo insists on using Zelda then they really need to add some grit to him so that I can actually identify with him. As it stands, the only assumed launch title that I am interested in is Mario and my anticipation is based more on nostalgia than on gameplay which worries me.
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Sonic is 10...
And they are franchises. That is what happens to a franchise, the company keeps pumping them out. To Nintendo and Sega\'s credit, we haven\'t seen near as many Mario\'s or Sonic\'s as in the old day. When the original NES was around there was quite a few Mario games and with the Genesis there was a bunch of Sonic games. Though, if you count Mario Party, and so on, Nintendo still put quite a few Mario games.
Still, its a franchise. You either love \'em or hate \'em.
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Originally posted by Claypool 2001
After reading many things about Game Cube, I\'ve often wonderd if people are getting tired of there games. Now, i owned a NES, SNES AND a N64, so im not saying I hate nintendo, but how many times is Mario going to have to rescue Princess Toadstool from Bowser?
I agree. Mario is getting way old. The last really good Mario was Super Mario World on the SNES.
or how many times is Zelda going to have to kill Gannon to save the kingdom from being destoyed?
His name is Link. ;) The girl\'s name is Zelda.
Finally, i understand its the same with Playstation (Twisted Metal, MGS, Crash)
Twisted Metal was destroyed as a series once three and four came out. That is why so many of us are looking forward to TM:B, because we want the old TM gameplay, not this new stuff. MGS is not old. There was only one on the PSX and there will be one on the PS2 (not including the old NES ones). Seeing as how this game is extremely cool (from what I\'ve heard from hundreds of people who have played the demo), I think it\'s a good thing Konami is coming out with another MGS. Crash is no longer a Sony exclusive because Naughty Dog isn\'t in charge of it any more. It\'s coming out to all consoles.
I think Naughty Dog is thinking like you are though. They knew when enough was enough and they moved on to a different game (which they still haven\'t said anything about :().
and Sega (SONIC and.....SONIC)
While I agree with you, Sonic has been around forever, I think it still has a huge life ahead of it (I love Sonic games far more than Crash or Mario :)).
And as Living-In-Clip said, "And they are franchises. That is what happens to a franchise." That sums it up quite nicely. Those games will probably never leave (maybe Crash will, but not for a while). When you think of Nintendo, you think of Mario. When you think of Sega, you think of Sonic. That is just how it is. They will never stop making Mario and Sonic games because they are known for those games.
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see, i thought I knew a lot about video games till I started posting here
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Originally posted by Claypool 2001
how many times is Zelda going to have to kill Gannon to save the kingdom from being destoyed?
Are you sure that you have an NES, SNES, and N64? :)
I don\'t see people complaining about the story line in the MG/MGS series. The last time I checked, all Snake does is destroy different versions of Metal Gear Rex. Now, if the same people who like MG/MGS say that the story line in Mario, Zelda, Sonic, or any other franchise is old, then that is pathetic.
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The best Mario could offer was Super Mario World. Mario64, however, was really good game when it came out. It was breathtaking in graphics, and it had this certain Nintendo -magic :)
I know many of you think Mario is growing old. I agree, but I want to see another Mario if it can gather the Nintend-spirit within it, and make something revolutionary out of it. Like 2-player simultaneous play - you Mario, your friend luigi, in 3d - would be really great idea for a Mario game ;)
But, from the snes times, these games have been also promised to be on GC ( and have been on N64 ) - they\'re my all time favourites:
-New Mario Kart -game ( this is the third one - so it\'s not getting too old in my opinion :) )
-New Starfox game ( also the third in serie - this could be the reason alone for me to buy a gc )
But this is all a matter of opinion, \'tho.
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I would like to see new games in almost everyone of Nintendo\'s series. Everything from Fire Emblem, Excitebike, Mario, Zelda, SSB, Mario Kart, StarFox, Metroid, Kid Icarus, Duckhunt (yeah!), etc...
Of course I want new games, too, but it will be awesome to see our \'old friends\' on new hardware, looking the best they\'ve been.
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Originally posted by Darth Joyda
I know many of you think Mario is growing old. I agree, but I want to see another Mario if it can gather the Nintend-spirit within it, and make something revolutionary out of it. Like 2-player simultaneous play - you Mario, your friend luigi, in 3d - would be really great idea for a Mario game ;)
That\'s a great idea. A multiplayer Mario game. I might actually start to like Mario again if they had a good multiplayer option.
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im not trying to start a fight but i think the gamecube will choke just like the N64
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Originally posted by Bozco
im not trying to start a fight but i think the gamecube will choke just like the N64
You should probably keep those kinds of things to yourself ;).
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Originally posted by Bozco
im not trying to start a fight but i think the gamecube will choke just like the N64
Even though I\'m looking forward to GC, I don\'t really care if you say that as long as you back it up with legitimate reasons. As long as you don\'t act like N-Player and his pointless XBox bashing.
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Originally posted by Bozco
im not trying to start a fight but i think the gamecube will choke just like the N64
Can we get a reason why you think this way? Just a baseless statement like that does not fly. I think that Micky D\'s food tastes like crap but they seem to be going strong.(hmm.... That was pretty random :D)
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Originally posted by Bozco
im not trying to start a fight but i think the gamecube will choke just like the N64
No reasons, no argument.
I\'m actually really disapointed with that post. Most of the console bashers now a days bring up logical reasons on why "console x" sucks, but this moronic reply brings the intelligent conversation going on to a complete halt.
Kudos.
:rolleyes:
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Remember that opinions are opinions and not fact and don\'t have to be backed up with anything. That\'s just what Bozco thinks. So what? You have a different opinion so what? Everyone\'s entitled to their own.
Don\'t diss on Twisted Metal just cause 989 ruined 3 & 4.
Black will be sweet.
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Did 989 make that coolboarders (or some snowboarding games?) too?
Man, Sony should seriously redo 989 studios, unless they want that crappy-game-making image they\'re putting out. Sheesh, they\'re almost as bad as Titus.
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yes they did toothpick. They also have ruined/taken over GameDay and Gamebreaker which I can\'t figure out why we have 2 identical football games made by the same company.
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989 studios sucks PERIOD. I could make better games out of my basment with my Apple IIe
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im just going on a wim, on a hunch, i mean this reminds me of N64 to PSONE, im not saying its a terrible system or anything like that
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Bozco, if you have an opinion, then support with some facts. I may have missed them, but I haven\'t seen you present any facts as to why you think Nintendo will choke or whatever.
I think you are trying to start a flame war, because several people (including me) have told you what is expected at this forum. If you have to say something that goes against what someone thinks, then back it up with facts. Is that a hard thing to do? If you don\'t do it, then you sound like an idiot.
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im just going on a wim, on a hunch, i mean this reminds me of N64 to PSONE, im not saying its a terrible system or anything like that
Dude, don\'t even compare the N64 to the GameCube--they\'re two totally different systems.
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its an opinion a guess nothing to get all worked up about, i dont have to back anything up and im not trying to start a flame war if you want a flame war ill say something much worse
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Fine then Bozco. If you want to be known as an opinionated fanboy that spouts nothing but BS, then fine by me. It\'s your call.
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N64\'s used to be good and fun but now its went sour...i used to have one but gave it away and got a psx...the games for nitendo are nothing but kidde games...which is why i gave my n64 away..
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Originally posted by Bozco
its an opinion a guess nothing to get all worked up about, i dont have to back anything up and im not trying to start a flame war if you want a flame war ill say something much worse
Is that right? Your typing is really intimidating. Please stop you are scaring the children. :rolleyes:
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I am personally sick and tired of pokemon, mario and zelda will always get a place in my hearth but pokemon....ugh they should kill pikachu (sp?) and friends!
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I honestly don\'t see why some people hate Nintendo simply because of Pokemon (I\'m not talking to you MGR).
I mean Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, Yoshi, Pokemon, F-Zero, NBA Courtside, StarFox, Mario Party, Donkey Kong, Mario RPG\'s (SMRPG & Paper Mario), Banjo-Kazooie, Perfect Dark, EarthBound, Excite Bike, Fire Emblem, Metroid, Mario Kart, Wave Race, Kirby, and some others.
IMO, I think it\'s pure fanboyism to call Nintendo kiddy, when they have all of these franchises.
Not to mention I think the N64 is one of the most underrated consoles in history (right under the beloved Dreamcast, R.I.P.).
It had Paper Mario, Banjo - Kazooie, Banjo - Tooie, LoZ:OoT, LoZ:MM, StarFox, Mario Kart, Perfect Dark, GE, Wave Race, Pilotwings, DK64 (I actually like it), Jet Force Gemini, F-Zero, SM64, 1080 SnowBoarding, CBFD, ExciteBike 64, Beetle Adventure Racing, Space Station Silicon Valley, Mario Tennis, WWF No Mercy, Sin and Punishment, and Super Smash Bros.
Some of you may disagree with me, but I actually loved the Nintendo 64.
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i\'ll admit that Mario Tennis is as addictive as coka cola.
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Originally posted by ElAsesino
IMO, I think it\'s pure fanboyism to call Nintendo kiddy, when they have all of these franchises.
I am an admitted Nintendo fanboy and I think that statement is Bullsh1t. Nintendo has not made a game that qualifies for anything above a T(for teen) rating. They are excellent developers but they are also a kiddy developer. That is why 2nd/3rd parties that make older games are important to their success.
Originally posted by ElAsesino
Not to mention I think the N64 is one of the most underrated consoles in history (right under the beloved Dreamcast, R.I.P.).
N64 was a great system but not one of the most underrated. It did not have enough AAA games, or just games for that matter. Depending on what kinds of games you like the N64 could have been a waste of plastic. If I am into fighting games and RPGs what is my reasoning for getting an N64? There is none. For these people the N64 is overrated.
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i was just thinking about how repetive mario has gotten and i do think that they should break out with some new games for launch, OO7 did it for the "not kids out there"
if they did it would help them alot in my opinion.
i doubt anyone knows this, but hey, does anyone know when naughty dog is going to show off their new game for ps2? i wanna see the mascot for ps2....:D
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Well, I didn\'t see people call Nintendo kiddy before the N64 when they had some of the same exclusives. I guess it\'s just a coincidence that Nintendo becomes kiddy as soon as Pokemon is popular.
What exactly is kiddy about Nintendo\'s games? Oh, and if you want to judge games by ESRB rating, then that would mean Sports games would be kiddy.
ESRB means exactly what it means. It clearly states that Nintendo\'s games are for EVERYONE. Not for 1-10 year olds, not 11-13 year olds, not to 14-18 year olds, and not to 19+. It\'s for EVERYONE.
I still want to know exactly what makes Nintendo kiddy other than Pokemon, and Yoshi\'s Story.
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Originally posted by Bozco
im not trying to start a fight but i think the gamecube will choke just like the N64
notice that everything mm, clyde and bozco say about GC is negative
I agree with you in some ways............but I\'m not going into that ;)
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Originally posted by Gohan
I am an admitted Nintendo fanboy and I think that statement is Bullsh1t. Nintendo has not made a game that qualifies for anything above a T(for teen) rating. They are excellent developers but they are also a kiddy developer. That is why 2nd/3rd parties that make older games are important to their success.
N64 was a great system but not one of the most underrated. It did not have enough AAA games, or just games for that matter. Depending on what kinds of games you like the N64 could have been a waste of plastic. If I am into fighting games and RPGs what is my reasoning for getting an N64? There is none. For these people the N64 is overrated.
100% agreed, this is why I dumped them, I went to psx for fighting games, racing games, RPGs and MGS!!!
for me N64 was a BIG dissapointment, yes Zelda was great so were the other 1st party games. But I\'m to old for them, I feel like a kid when i play them
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MGR, how old are you?
I have never felt like a child, when I play Nintendo games. I don\'t care what people say, I want my Nintendo games darnit. I\'ve played them for 3 generations (4 generations w/GC), and I haven\'t gotten tired of them.
What exactly about them makes you feel like a kid? Oh well, I can say this much. When you are old and crippled you\'ll probably play Nintendo games to feel like a kid again ;).