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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Nplayer-2 on March 27, 2001, 03:21:38 PM
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When you think about everything xbox does...PS2 can do as well in software....
Factor5 president said the starwars demo on GCN could be done on PS2 and any effects GCN does PS2 can do as well...
Jez san president said xbox lets developers do effects much easier than PS2 or GCN yet he did not say xbox will do effects impossible on PS2 or GCN..
FACT is PS2 can do anything xbox does....not enough polygons? use NURBS...not enough effects in hardware? use software;)..
any questions?:D
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good grief man
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I think Rougue Squadron is better compared to AC4 rather than Starwars Starfighter.
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A agree with the chimp (and Charlie Brown). Good grief. Nplayer you friggin troll. Nock off the bull**** posts dissing **** for the hell of it.
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That was really lame, but I guess that\'s pretty much been pointed out by everyone in front of me.
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Stupid troll....
Factor5 president said the starwars demo on GCN could be done on PS2 and any effects GCN does PS2 can do as well...
When did he say this? Find me us some proof and a link because I remember it being the other way around.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Stupid troll....
When did he say this? Find me us some proof and a link because I remember it being the other way around.
Me and Jumpman agreeing? A sign the end is here...
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Ugh. Another Nplayer thread?
Its friggin\' moronic.
For christ sake, even the Chimp realized that!
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Jumpman:
it was in interview in EGM in november i belive....sorry i don\'t know if it\'s on-line(you could check their website)
So far i have yet to be proved wrong, i have yet to see a link which proves some effects on xbox are impossible on PS2....until that happens i am right.
jumpman, perhaps you can tell me what GCN or xbox effects are impossible on PS2?
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NPlayer does have a point. But...
There will always be stuff that the X-Box can do that the GC cant, and the PS2 can do things the X-Box cant and so on and so on.
Hell, the PSX one of (if not the) most popular console ever SUCKED in 2D, the Saturn had much better 2D support. Also the N64 had cleaner overall graphics than the PSX, yet the PSX was the most popular by far of those three systems.
Every console has it\'s own strengths and flaws and whichever system makes the best quality software out of these parameters will be the most successful.
Technical Specs mean very little to me, the only one I am concerned with is Nintendo\'s choice not use the the DVD format, but only time will tell how everything plays out.
Right now i\'ll enjoy Onimusha....BOOYAH! :p
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Originally posted by Nplayer-2
Jumpman:
it was in interview in EGM in november i belive....sorry i don\'t know if it\'s on-line(you could check their website)
So far i have yet to be proved wrong, i have yet to see a link which proves some effects on xbox are impossible on PS2....until that happens i am right.
jumpman, perhaps you can tell me what GCN or xbox effects are impossible on PS2?
So far, you have yet to be proven right. I have yet to see a link which proves that anything on the GC and the X-Box is possible on the PS2. Until that happens, your appointed operation for surgically removing your head out of your ass is still on schedule.
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Originally posted by hyper
So far, you have yet to be proven right. I have yet to see a link which proves that anything on the GC and the X-Box is possible on the PS2. Until that happens, your appointed operation for surgically removing your head out of your ass is still on schedule.
...a link can prove nothing...look at the games Man...they are the best source...
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Oh who cares ?
WHO CARES ! ? !
I bought a playstation 2 for the following reasons.
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- I love my PSX
- I love the old PSX games
- I liked the look of the PS2 line up
- DVD and Backwords combatibilty did it for me too.
I did NOT buy a playstation 2 for the following reasons.
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- To get one over on Bill Gates
- Bacause i am a sony fanboy (debatable j/k :laughing: )
- I want to see if they could do X box software on the PS2
- To agree and look like N-Player 2 (oh good God no :laughing: ).
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Originally posted by ooseven
Oh who cares ?
WHO CARES ! ? !
I bought a playstation 2 for the following reasons.
[list=1]
- I love my PSX
- I love the old PSX games
- I liked the look of the PS2 line up
- DVD and Backwords combatibilty did it for me too.
I did NOT buy a playstation 2 for the following reasons.
[list=A]
- To get one over on Bill Gates
- Bacause i am a sony fanboy (debatable j/k :laughing: )
- I want to see if they could do X box software on the PS2
- To agree and look like N-Player 2 (oh good God no :laughing: ).
haha. Well said man.
And who gives a damn if it can do some things a Xbox can? The games are what matters.
I\'ll take a good playing game over a graphic whore game any day.
I swear, Nplayer worries about the Xbox more then he actually plays a PS2 or any system for that matter.
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I got a question, N-Player.
How do you manage to type all these moronic posts with a Dual Shock, on full vibration, stuck where the sun don\'t shine?
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pointless thread.
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I think I liked him better when he HATED sony:)
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Originally posted by superl33t
NPlayer does have a point. But...
There will always be stuff that the X-Box can do that the GC cant, and the PS2 can do things the X-Box cant and so on and so on.
Hell, the PSX one of (if not the) most popular console ever SUCKED in 2D, the Saturn had much better 2D support. Also the N64 had cleaner overall graphics than the PSX, yet the PSX was the most popular by far of those three systems.
Every console has it\'s own strengths and flaws and whichever system makes the best quality software out of these parameters will be the most successful.
Technical Specs mean very little to me, the only one I am concerned with is Nintendo\'s choice not use the the DVD format, but only time will tell how everything plays out.
Right now i\'ll enjoy Onimusha....BOOYAH! :p
Bullsh!t!!! What can PS2 do that Xbox can\'t do? Oh yeah, lots of jaggies...that must be it. :D Can PS2 do HRAA? Can PS2 do per-pixel shading? Does PS2 have nFiniteX technology? A hearty HELL NO! to all of those. Just face the fact, PS2 is not the most powerful console anymore. Shouldn\'t that be expected? GC and Xbox have it beaten graphically and in all technical areas! Why can\'t you and NPhucker get that through your heads. PS2 isn\'t the latest and greatest console anymore...deal with it.
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I don\'t think anyone has made the asinine predicton that xbox will beat PS2 here, that is besides the point..The xbox will get it\'s little niche market in it\'s little corner but nothing even close to the great victory PS2 has over it. The "war" has been waged and a victor has been decided...The PS2 is the casual gamers choice of console for this gen...case closed:D
And this thread was not about that nor why you bought a PS2 and so on....it\'s about the FACT that PS2 can do any damn effect xbox does in software(which developers like better than hardwire effects)...
I see reverendxbox(aka directXbox) did not prove me wrong..why? because i am right..as usual:D
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COOL!!A FIGHT BETWEEN THE 2 TROLL DUDES!!
LETS ALL GATHER AND PUT SOME BETS:D
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Hmm...
The PS2 gets great games
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The XBox and GC will get great games
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Everyone will be happy. Except these idiots who keep on downing one (or more) other console for it being inferior and claims their console of choice is a gift from the heavens.
I don\'t give a flying **** about any numbers on some stupid spec sheets or how "shiny" the games look (wake up Revvy). I\'d rather play Super Probotector, Zelda III or Sonic 2 over many of today\'s crappy titles. It\'s amazing to see so much idocy packed in small human beings... no wonder we haven\'t been contacted by a higher intelligence.
I\'d love to bet on Revvy and NLamer killing each other, but unfortunately that\'s very unlikely.
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Originally posted by ReverendXbox
Bullsh!t!!! What can PS2 do that Xbox can\'t do? Oh yeah, lots of jaggies...that must be it. :D
Maybe you haven\'t seen GT3 and Devil May Cry :D
Can PS2 do HRAA? Can PS2 do per-pixel shading? Does PS2 have nFiniteX technology? A hearty HELL NO! to all of those.
While X-Box and GC do a lot of things via Hardware,PS2 has to do all the work via Software,I mean,you have to write the code to do a lot of that stuff.
But that\'s the trick behind it...on the one hand the downside is that it\'s not done for you. On the upside, if it\'s not done for you then you can do it yourself, and potentially better -- more specialized to what your specific application is. So it\'s really a double-edged sword. That\'s the mystery of the system.
For example,Gamecube renders up to eight effects layers to a polygon in a single pass,
so Gamecube developers can effectively start with the base geometry (1), add a bump-map to it (2), add a dirt map (3), add a gloss map (4), add a reflection map (5), add a radiosity light map (6) and two other effects layer of their choice (7,8) -- all in a single pass.
Yes, it\'s very nice that Nintendo Gamecube can do eight layers in one pass. It\'s all set up for you. But some developers have eight-pass techniques(via software) done on PlayStation 2\'games they are developing(The E3 will show what I\'m saying) So it\'s automatically done on Gamecube, but Naughty Dog,for example,have got the same techniques. Yes, they take more time and yes they take more CPU power, but here we go again -- PS2 has a more powerful CPU so who cares?
People,I\'m not saying PS2 is as powerful as X-Box on paper...only that PS2 can do a lot of things via software and that you have seen nothing about the true capabilities of the PS2!
And another thing...X-Box has one year and half of advantage over the PS2(technologically)...so...we should see a huge step forward,especially if you think that the X-Box is ways easier to develop for than PS2!
Have you seen this huge step forward? ...From what I know...AC4 for PS2 is graphically stunning...and developers have just learnt how to scratch the surface of the Hardware...so...I\'m wondering...is X-Box 3 times more powerful than PS2?? It\'s just a question!
...and you say...the first X-Box games use less than 50% of the real power...so...how much power of the PS2 do you think developers are using just now?
My opinion...less than 40-50 %(from what I read all around the net...)
I really dislike Bill and Microsoft...and I\'m so sceptical about the X-Box...but if this console is really so powerful and if I\'ll be able to play an Ultra-wonderful-Doom and other Great exclusive games...well...I\'ll buy the X-Box too and I\'ll have to learn how to play with a single arm because I\'ll have cut the other arm after buying a Microsoft-Console :)
I wanna Great Games....so...show me what the X-Box can do!! I don\'t want only per-pixel shading...I want original games...
Just face the fact, PS2 is not the most powerful console anymore. Shouldn\'t that be expected? GC and Xbox have it beaten graphically and in all technical areas! Why can\'t you and NPhucker get that through your heads. PS2 isn\'t the latest and greatest console anymore...deal with it.
...in all technical areas! ...I\'m not sure...
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Originally posted by ReverendXbox
Bullsh!t!!! What can PS2 do that Xbox can\'t do? Oh yeah, lots of jaggies...that must be it. :D Can PS2 do HRAA? Can PS2 do per-pixel shading? Does PS2 have nFiniteX technology?
:eek:.
Jesus H Christ i tought we banned you age\'s ago how did you slip through the troll nets ?
look Rev we can only have one troll at a time it\'s N players job to be a resident Troll
please please WAIT YOUR TURN !
So what blah blah blah Xbox this Blah blah blah.
:rolleyes:
FACE FACTS YOU AD TROLL there are sometings that the X box will never do, like not being able to play Gran Turismo 3 for a start (oh i forgot that a SONY excluse he he )
We cant win can;t we when Rev is way the board is full of PS2 bashing
and when Player is in we get X box bashing.
p.s.
Hey Rev WTF are you doing here in the first place ?
if you don\'t like PS2 and you are just here to bash which you clearly are then (**** of !).
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Maybe you haven\'t seen GT3 and Devil May Cry :D
While X-Box and GC do a lot of things via Hardware,PS2 has to do all the work via Software,I mean,you have to write the code to do a lot of that stuff.
But that\'s the trick behind it...on the one hand the downside is that it\'s not done for you. On the upside, if it\'s not done for you then you can do it yourself, and potentially better -- more specialized to what your specific application is. So it\'s really a double-edged sword. That\'s the mystery of the system.
For example,Gamecube renders up to eight effects layers to a polygon in a single pass,
so Gamecube developers can effectively start with the base geometry (1), add a bump-map to it (2), add a dirt map (3), add a gloss map (4), add a reflection map (5), add a radiosity light map (6) and two other effects layer of their choice (7,8) -- all in a single pass.
Yes, it\'s very nice that Nintendo Gamecube can do eight layers in one pass. It\'s all set up for you. But some developers have eight-pass techniques(via software) done on PlayStation 2\'games they are developing(The E3 will show what I\'m saying) So it\'s automatically done on Gamecube, but Naughty Dog,for example,have got the same techniques. Yes, they take more time and yes they take more CPU power, but here we go again -- PS2 has a more powerful CPU so who cares?
People,I\'m not saying PS2 is as powerful as X-Box on paper...only that PS2 can do a lot of things via software and that you have seen nothing about the true capabilities of the PS2!
And another thing...X-Box has one year and half of advantage over the PS2(technologically)...so...we should see a huge step forward,especially if you think that the X-Box is ways easier to develop for than PS2!
Have you seen this huge step forward? ...From what I know...AC4 for PS2 is graphically stunning...and developers have just learnt how to scratch the surface of the Hardware...so...I\'m wondering...is X-Box 3 times more powerful than PS2?? It\'s just a question!
...and you say...the first X-Box games use less than 50% of the real power...so...how much power of the PS2 do you think developers are using just now?
My opinion...less than 40-50 %(from what I read all around the net...)
I really dislike Bill and Microsoft...and I\'m so sceptical about the X-Box...but if this console is really so powerful and if I\'ll be able to play an Ultra-wonderful-Doom and other Great exclusive games...well...I\'ll buy the X-Box too and I\'ll have to learn how to play with a single arm because I\'ll have cut the other arm after buying a Microsoft-Console :)
I wanna Great Games....so...show me what the X-Box can do!! I don\'t want only per-pixel shading...I want original games...
...in all technical areas! ...I\'m not sure...
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Well and perfectly said.
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Originally posted by Nplayer-2
Jumpman:
it was in interview in EGM in november i belive....sorry i don\'t know if it\'s on-line(you could check their website)
So far i have yet to be proved wrong, i have yet to see a link which proves some effects on xbox are impossible on PS2....until that happens i am right.
jumpman, perhaps you can tell me what GCN or xbox effects are impossible on PS2?
Thats right, you have NOTHING. Atleast I could easily go to IGNcube and proved what I said before...
But I won\'t post it know because I want to see you write another moronic and hilarious post for out viewing pleasure before I put your argument to waste. :D
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Hmm...
The PS2 gets great games
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The XBox and GC will get great games
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Everyone will be happy. Except these idiots who keep on downing one (or more) other console for it being inferior and claims their console of choice is a gift from the heavens.
I don\'t give a flying **** about any numbers on some stupid spec sheets or how "shiny" the games look (wake up Revvy). I\'d rather play Super Probotector, Zelda III or Sonic 2 over many of today\'s crappy titles. It\'s amazing to see so much idocy packed in small human beings... no wonder we haven\'t been contacted by a higher intelligence.
I\'d love to bet on Revvy and NLamer killing each other, but unfortunately that\'s very unlikely.
ahem... amen to that.
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Reverind throws a right and Nplayer throws a left! :D Seriously dudes, we\'ll just have to wait until the Xbox is out before we can make a judgement. I have to agree with the Rev. though, PS2 isn\'t king of the console hill anymore...and this is coming from a proud PS2 owner.
~Goes and plays the MGS2 demo for the 213th time...oh yeah, ZOE is pretty decent too.~ :D
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Super Probotector? hahahaha!! you Euros are so funny! Contra is a much better name and will always be a much better name :p what the heck is a probotector anyway?
:D
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by ReverendXbox
face the fact, PS2 is not the most powerful console anymore
and right here\'s where you\'re wrong, ps2 is the most powerfull console, it\'s just that when the xbox/gamecube are released that it won\'t be the most powerfull. And that is all that matters, you can praise your xbox, but you can\'t even play it for months, while we can play kick ass games on our ps2, nuff said!
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Originally posted by BizioEE
While X-Box and GC do a lot of things via Hardware,PS2 has to do all the work via Software,I mean,you have to write the code to do a lot of that stuff.
There is a limit to what you can achieve with software, and that limit is usually set by the performance hit incured. For example, the realtime shadows demonstrated on the NV20 in games like Malice, Kakuto-X and Doom3, would be impossible to achieve at that level on the PS2 without a MASSIVE performance hit. That\'s not to say that the PS2 cannot handle great shadows (just look at Buldur\'s Gate), but it will never be able to acheive the level seen on the XBox.
so...I\'m wondering...is X-Box 3 times more powerful than PS2?? It\'s just a question!
...and you say...the first X-Box games use less than 50% of the real power...so...how much power of the PS2 do you think developers are using just now?
My opinion...less than 40-50 %(from what I read all around the net...)
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That\'s a totally different comparison! The XBox games we\'ve seen have been running on hardware which is, at best, 50% of the power of the final console. So if we imagine Halo was using 40% of the power of current XBox hardware, then it is in fact using just 20% of the power of the final XBox!!! Hence the final version will use that extra power for more polygons, more effects, more on screen characters/models etc.
I really dislike Bill and Microsoft...and I\'m so sceptical about the X-Box.....
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Read the following interview with Microsoft\'s Seamus Blackley (very interesting!);
Xbox marks his spot:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1014-201-5264348-0.html?tag=bt_pr
"As a game developer a few years ago at Looking Glass Studios and Dreamworks Interactive, the former nuclear physicist could sling the Microsoft rhetoric as well as anyone. "I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft hater," Blackley recalls. "I couldn\'t imagine ever coming to work for Microsoft.""
Hmmm...
Hate MS and hate Bill Gates if you want, but everytime I read an article or interview with either S. Blackley or J. Allard, I have more and more respect for these guys and with what they\'re trying to achieve. Hence, I\'m confident about the XBox and really look forward to TGS and E3. :)
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There is a limit to what you can achieve with software, and that limit is usually set by the performance hit incured. For example, the realtime shadows demonstrated on the NV20 in games like Malice, Kakuto-X and Doom3, would be impossible to achieve at that level on the PS2 without a MASSIVE performance hit. That\'s not to say that the PS2 cannot handle great shadows (just look at Buldur\'s Gate), but it will never be able to acheive the level seen on the XBox.
Hey DR yassam can i see your PS2 development kit? what, you don\'t have one? you don\'t even develop for it you say? then how do you know those comments of yours are fact?...oh that\'s right they are NOT.
i\'ll wait until 2002 software to prove my point....GT3 smokes any of that crap you just listed..
That\'s a totally different comparison! The XBox games we\'ve seen have been running on hardware which is, at best, 50% of the power of the final console. So if we imagine Halo was using 40% of the power of current XBox hardware, then it is in fact using just 20% of the power of the final XBox!!! Hence the final version will use that extra power for more polygons, more effects, more on screen characters/models etc.
Well then you just proved my point once again, xbox is not living up to it\'s hype..going by what you just said and by what microsoft said about the RAVEN demo ;)
HALO according to you should look like the pre-rendered RAVEN demo which ran at 25% of the xbox\'s power....but it does not:D
*insert coin try again*
Read the following interview with Microsoft\'s Seamus Blackley (very interesting!);
Xbox marks his spot:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1014-201-5264348-0.html?tag=bt_pr
"As a game developer a few years ago at Looking Glass Studios and Dreamworks Interactive, the former nuclear physicist could sling the Microsoft rhetoric as well as anyone. "I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft hater," Blackley recalls. "I couldn\'t imagine ever coming to work for Microsoft.""
OMG!!! microsoft PR said that? man oh man, i know i can trust microsoft because well, you say we can right?:rolleyes:
PR=FACTS...right DOC?....:laughing:
Hate MS and hate Bill Gates if you want, but everytime I read an article or interview with either S. Blackley or J. Allard, I have more and more respect for these guys and with what they\'re trying to achieve. Hence, I\'m confident about the XBox and really look forward to TGS and E3. :)
yeah they are trying to protect their filthy wintel monopoly from sony...GO MICROSOFT!!!
i mean, they give us port after port, disappointment after disappointment...my god, all hail microsoft and their godly xbox...lol
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Maybe X-Box will change my opinion about Microsoft...let\'s wait and see...however thanks for the info Dr Yassam :)
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Super Probotector? hahahaha!! you Euros are so funny! Contra is a much better name and will always be a much better name :p what the heck is a probotector anyway?
:D
Eric Jacob
Yup, I\'ve always thought that Contra is the better name also. Probotector is just plain silly. What, a, er, um, Pro-Protector? What? Huh? P-Robot-Tector? Pro-Bot-Ector? Named Hector? Huh? Stupid :p Great game anyways, a fact that nobody can deny (except maybe some Nintendo-haters) :)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
...thanks for the info Dr Yassam :)
No problem BizioEE. :)
And NPlayer, congratulations on maintaining your Top Troll position. I especially enjoyed the way you answered my post with a series of unintelligent replies (as usual). Keep up the bad work. ;)
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FFS Nplayer get a clue :rolleyes:
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oh god! now we have 3 trolls, whats next?? Docwiz?? SegaCultX?
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
oh god! now we have 3 trolls, whats next?? Docwiz?? SegaCultX?
I smell the foul stench of another troll, already. Can you guess who it is?
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Really you say the trolls have come back, how interesting!!!!!!
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Good lord, the Reverend is still around? I was bored, looking through the memberlist, and saw that he posted this recently. Ahh the memories.
SCORE ONE FOR THE REVERENED!!!!!
Those were the days.
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The PS2 can do everything that Xbox or Gamecube can do, it just does it at 1 Frame per second.
The Playstation 2 is a machine, its not the hand of God. So when you wan\'t to do every single feature the xbox has and the Cube has, don\'t expect it to run at 60 frames or even 30 frames a second. The power of xbox is pretty great on the final hardware and that would bring to the PS2 to its knees.
Nplayer, I think you would have a case if you stuck to why the PS2 is a lot like the PC. :)
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Originally posted by Dwarrior
The PS2 can do everything that Xbox or Gamecube can do, it just does it at 1 Frame per second.
So...why GT3 runs at 60 frames/sec with never-seen effects in a racing game?...I\'m wondering...
...why the tech-demos of the X-Box impress only the so called X-Box Fans...I mean...PC-Zealots...:D
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Yeah yeah Dwarrior but XBOX and GC are both hands of God.
Came to earth to avenge Saturns death and for puting the N64 in the second place.Yeah PSX has ruined as all.......THIS IS THE APOCALYPSE!!!:rolleyes:
I am tired of seeing your BS.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Yeah yeah Dwarrior but XBOX and GC are both hands of God.
Came to earth to avenge Saturns death and for puting the N64 in the second place.Yeah PSX has ruined as all.......THIS IS THE APOCALYPSE!!!:rolleyes:
I am tired of seeing your BS.
I didn\'t say Xbox and GC were the hands of God. I just said when you don\'t understand.
Let me type it out real slow for you... :)
To push the PS2 like the Xbox or gamecube (ie. Using all of their features) would pull the PS2 to its knees.
The PS2 is powerfull but you have to program like some wizard to get all the power out of it. I mean even to push 66 million polygons and use most of the floating point, out of the system, you would have to operate in parallel. Lets be honest, thats not happening... :)
Anyone who isn\'t a Playstation biggot and with half a brain could tell you that the PS2 using all features and effects that the Xbox and/or Cube can do would bring the PS2 to its knees and give you around 1 frame per second, maybe a little more, but not much more. Maybe 5 frames per second, IF YOURE LUCKY and WELL OPTIMISED.
The PS2 power isn\'t bad, but its the lowest power out of all next generation consoles. Lets call a spade a spade here folks.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
So...why GT3 runs at 60 frames/sec with never-seen effects in a racing game?...I\'m wondering...
...why the tech-demos of the X-Box impress only the so called X-Box Fans...I mean...PC-Zealots...:D
Racing games from cameras have always been awesome. But once you get inside the car its butt ugly. Xbox and gamecube will produce much better results. Give them the same time that GT3 has been delayed and see how disapointed you get when GT3 looks like a Dreamcast game compared to the real next generation consoles.
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Originally posted by Dwarrior
Racing games from cameras have always been awesome. But once you get inside the car its butt ugly. Xbox and gamecube will produce much better results. Give them the same time that GT3 has been delayed and see how disapointed you get when GT3 looks like a Dreamcast game compared to the real next generation consoles.
Real Next Generation Consoles? ...what do you mean?
I\'m interested in Next Generation Games...and I\'m sure PS2 will show some of the most beautiful games ever thanks to the power of the EE and the talent of developers like Square,Polyphony,Namco,Konami,Capcom,Naughty Dog,Free Radical...etc...do you think that better texturing makes a game better than another? Do you think that Malice will beat Mario 64 in game-play?
The answer is NO!! Nintendo knows how to do platforms and per-pixel-shading does mean nothing if you have no experience in that genre of games...
You make me laugh when you say that GT3 will look like a DC game compared to the real next generation consoles...why?....First you mistake hardware for software:)...GT3 is only the beginning and when gamers will see what Polyphony is doing with GT4...they will start to realize that GT4 is a True Next Generation Racing Game while most of the others only and simply trivial games with Great Textures and Lighting!
The first GT for PSX is FAR superior than any PC-racing game running on a P4 1.5 Ghz and GeForce 2!
...only a Great and innovative game-play makes a Game a next generation game...not a little more detailed texture!
X-Box will have its beautiful exclusive titles,nobody is arguing about it...but I think that the Microsoft Console will offer nothing more than PS2 apart from better texturing and shading!
...and however I haven\'t yet seen what X-Box can do in Real Games(polys,effects,physics,AI,collision-system,animations etc)
..so...let\'s wait and see.....if a P3 + NV2A is so more powerful than The EE + GS :D
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Originally posted by ReverendXbox
Can PS2 do HRAA?
umm that is high resolution anti aliasing.Most people are on a normal TV not HD TV so they will be playing at 640x480?They will either use that new Quanqux AA (or whatever it was called) which gives the illusion of 4x FSAA while really at 2x.Or they will just use 4x FSAA.
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Originally posted by Dwarrior
I didn\'t say Xbox and GC were the hands of God. I just said when you don\'t understand.
Let me type it out real slow for you... :)
To push the PS2 like the Xbox or gamecube (ie. Using all of their features) would pull the PS2 to its knees.
The PS2 is powerfull but you have to program like some wizard to get all the power out of it. I mean even to push 66 million polygons and use most of the floating point, out of the system, you would have to operate in parallel. Lets be honest, thats not happening... :)
Anyone who isn\'t a Playstation biggot and with half a brain could tell you that the PS2 using all features and effects that the Xbox and/or Cube can do would bring the PS2 to its knees and give you around 1 frame per second, maybe a little more, but not much more. Maybe 5 frames per second, IF YOURE LUCKY and WELL OPTIMISED.
The PS2 power isn\'t bad, but its the lowest power out of all next generation consoles. Lets call a spade a spade here folks.
1)You didnt get my point.You obviously hate PS2 for one reason.Its not because PS2 is a bad console(well its not).You hate it because you hated PSX1.And you didnt hate PSX1 for no reason.OR because it was bad(something it wasnt).You hate it because it was the most succesfull.
You were probably an N64 owner or a Saturn owner.Biased one(no offence to N64 and Saturn owners.Only to fanboys).
XBOX and GC are your hopes that Sony might fail.
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"The PS2 is powerfull but you have to program like some wizard to get all the power out of it. I mean even to push 66 million polygons and use most of the floating point, out of the system, you would have to operate in parallel. Lets be honest, thats not happening... :)"
Dont be surprised when it happens.WOW!!YOU ALSO SAID ITS POWERFULL:).The first time you say that.Ofcourse you said that.It was a way to tell us PS2\'s full power will remain untouched.
3)Who do you think you are to know how weaker is PS2 compared to GC and XBOX??Who?You!!Even Kojima said he doesnt expect A BIG LEAP from XBOX and GC.
And what he said was questioned.And you have Dwarrior to tell us how POWERFULL PS2 is?????
BTW.You have less than a 1/4 of a brain.
4)Bah.PS1 is still(and was) the weakest and Saturn and N64 and even DC are very far from PS\'s success.
Power means nothing.Dont be afraid to be weak dont be proud to be strong.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
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Why are you laughing?I hope you werent laughing at me.
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ARE YOU?
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Well, if you think like PC developers, you can\'t get the most out of PS2.
NV2A on X-Box is robust but EE+GS on PS2 is more flexible.
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Originally posted by Yo Hinomura
Well, if you think like PC developers, you can\'t get the most out of PS2.
NV2A on X-Box is robust but EE+GS on PS2 is more flexible.
If you can think at all, the choice is simple, don\'t code for the PS2. The architecture sucks. You would need to think like a CPU to be able to get all you can get out of the PS2. So many people talk crap, but they don\'t know what time it is. What it takes months on the PS2, only takes days on the Xbox to do the same exact thing.
In programming, we say thats a waste of time. Its NON productive to re-invent the wheel from scratch just because its fun, we have deadlines and we have to work long hours to get things done and bugs fixed.
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If you can think at all, the choice is simple, don\'t code for the PS2. The architecture sucks. You would need to think like a CPU to be able to get all you can get out of the PS2. So many people talk crap, but they don\'t know what time it is. What it takes months on the PS2, only takes days on the Xbox to do the same exact thing.
Who let the troll out of its cage?
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Hard at first maybe.
But when you know what to do, its not so hard anymore!
I think alot of developers (*cough* Epic *cough*) are to LAZY!
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Hard at first maybe.
But when you know what to do, its not so hard anymore!
I think alot of developers (*cough* Epic *cough*) are to LAZY!
That\'s right you THINK they are to lazy, but are you a programmer, nope. You r agrument is flawed, why the hell bother with a system that is not only is a ***** to program for, takes longer to accomplish the same task, and cost more money to develop the same game. Well cause psx2 has a 10 million user base, other than that. it\'s a waste of time.
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Ogodly, Microsoft wants people to make games the old PC way, and the PS2 way is probably what will be done in the future. TEXTURE STREAMING. Companies will begin to see the light... and then they will liscense there streaming engines to smaller developers. So, 1st gen was a *****. Christ, Ps2 has another 4-5 years
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
Ogodly, Microsoft wants people to make games the old PC way, and the PS2 way is probably what will be done in the future. TEXTURE STREAMING. Companies will begin to see the light... and then they will liscense there streaming engines to smaller developers. So, 1st gen was a *****. Christ, Ps2 has another 4-5 years
Yep you right!
I also belive that the texture streaming is the future!
So does experts. :)
When we see FF10 on our TVs running on OUR PS2s we will see the diffrance in texture quality!
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
Ogodly, Microsoft wants people to make games the old PC way, and the PS2 way is probably what will be done in the future. TEXTURE STREAMING. Companies will begin to see the light... and then they will liscense there streaming engines to smaller developers. So, 1st gen was a *****. Christ, Ps2 has another 4-5 years
Sony wants you to believe Texture streaming like they have it is the future and you have just been sold down the river bro....
You should have a "Brainwashed by Sony" sticker on your a$$.
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You should have a "Brainwashed by Sony" sticker on your a$$.
ROFL, you tell them DOCWIZ
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Well, if you\'re a PC developer, you will be comfortable with the X-platform since it\'s a PC-friendly.
But if you\'re a console developer (mainly Japanese), X-Box is just a totally new platform to pick.
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Sony wants you to believe Texture streaming like they have it is the future and you have just been sold down the river bro....
You should have a "Brainwashed by Sony" sticker on your a$$.
M$ wants you to believe that the x-box is the most innovative creation and the best thing made since sliced bread.
You should have a "F\'cked by Billy" sticker on your a**.
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
Ogodly, Microsoft wants people to make games the old PC way, and the PS2 way is probably what will be done in the future. TEXTURE STREAMING.
Texture streaming is not the future. Sony only say this because such techniques are required on the PS2, not because it\'s better than traditional methods. All methods have their advantages and disadvantages, and Sony\'s PS2 (great as it is) has yet to prove it\'s approach is better than the opposition. If anything, the reverse seems to be true.
MDK2 developers made a big issue of TS in an interview, claiming it solved all their VRAM problems on the PS2. However, although the PS2 version of MDK2 looks great because of TS, most reviewers agree that the DC version looks BETTER!
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And let me just add, the PC version loox the best. :)
That said, I\'d just like to pull datamage into line. Though his comments does have its own humerous qualities, it doesn\'t excuse its offensiveness. As well as the presence of the F word, it implies that all who accepts the XBox\'s superiority is a Microsoft lapdog. This simply isn\'t true.
Though not the most innovative thing since sliced bread, the Xbox looks to be the premier console poised to revolutionise the greater landscape of console gaming. With the HDD and the Ethernet adapter being its most unique of features, no other conosle is best suited to spearhead the advance into broadband on-line gaming.
A legitimate arguement against that, would be a great feat indeed.....
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That said, I\'d just like to pull datamage into line. Though his comments does have its own humerous qualities, it doesn\'t excuse its offensiveness. As well as the presence of the F word, it implies that all who accepts the XBox\'s superiority is a Microsoft lapdog. This simply isn\'t true.
Don\'t get the wrong idea Avatarr. My comment was strictly for dwarrior. His time on this forum is spent making sure he trashes the PS2. My point is that he\'s badmouthing someone for following what Sony says/said when he\'s doing the same thing w/M$. It wasn\'t a general statement for all x-box fans. Hell, I might pick one up.
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