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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: fastson on March 29, 2001, 03:40:33 AM
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I quoted some of the text.
You can find the whole thing here! http://ps2.ign.com/news/32865.html
IGN: How’s your team finding work on Xbox?
IMAMURA: It’s basically a streamlined PC, quite simple. But PS2 is radically different so porting to other systems isn’t really an option. We certainly couldn’t do it with Silent Hill 2. Perhaps that’s a strategy of Sony!
IGN: Are you planning to make use of Xbox’s specific features to enhance the game in any way over the PS2 version?
IMAMURA: We’ll be using the Xbox HD for quicker game play, that means pre-loading the game into the HD. The game will certainly load faster than the PS2 version. But in terms of other features, you know, no matter how the hardware improves, creators still need to think about how to fit their imaginations into these systems. These are still problems, even with Xbox. The network isn’t really ready for it. In terms of broadband, the infrastructure here in Japan is still so slow.
IGN: Speaking generally, how do you think Xbox will do against PS2?
IMAMURA: Well PS2 came to market a lot sooner, and it’s a market developers can rely on because the user base is already so high. PlayStation has become such a strong brand, not only with consumers but also with us, the developers. It’s an assurance for us, so we can’t help but see that as an advantage. Seeing as Xbox it’s similar to the PC architecture, I expect we’ll see a lot of PC style games. Those kinds games alone will make it very hard for the machine to succeed, certainly in Japan. Microsoft needs to continue making strong partnerships with developers in Japan.
Is it just me or doent he sound to thrilled about the Xbox???
Faster loading times? I can wait an extra 3 secs.
And the PC game problem, yes we already knew that.
So much for the Xbox. (IMO) :D
/FAST
PS: Im not trying to bash, I just wanted you to see this interview!
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Bleh....the Xbox may certainly be the most powerful console, but it\'s nothing innovative like the Emotion Engine. Just liek the Konami guy said, it\'s a streamed lined PC.
I spoke to a guy who helped develop some software tools for the EE and he said, "This chip has more potential than we could have imagined." Well....he claimed to be in the "know" so don\'t quote me.
Maybe it was that Starbucks coffee he was drinking.
and you don\'t hear Saddam Hussein buying tons of AMD chips, do you? :D
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Originally posted by GMANJOE:
and you don\'t hear Saddam Hussein buying tons of AMD chips, do you?
Yeah because Sadaam is the guy to listen to when buying your game console? Since when does he dictate to consumers what to buy?
Well PS2 came to market a lot sooner, and it’s a market developers can rely on because the user base is already so high. PlayStation has become such a strong brand, not only with consumers but also with us, the developers. It’s an assurance for us, so we can’t help but see that as an advantage. Seeing as Xbox it’s similar to the PC architecture, I expect we’ll see a lot of PC style games. Those kinds games alone will make it very hard for the machine to succeed, certainly in Japan. Microsoft needs to continue making strong partnerships with developers in Japan.
I hear what he is saying but it doesn\'t make sense at all! PC style architecture so there will be PC type games? So your gonna tell me if a developer wanted a PC style game on the PS2 he\'ll just say " Aw Damn look at this thing it\'s a console there is no way I can do the game on this thing the architecture is totally different than anything else I have seen"?
I guess when it comes down to it there is one very simple question I\'d like to ask this guy:
If you don\'t see the Xbox as successfull and the code from the PS2 cannot be ported over to the Xbox why are you wasting your money on the Xbox then?
Truth is he is covering his butt for the slight chance Xbox does make a decent userbase over there that he and konami have thier hands in the cookie jar. Contradiction sucks....even more so it\'s when your own!
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Professor X,
It was in jest. You pencil neck geeks need a little more humor in your pathetic geeky lives. If you can\'t GET that I was joking about Saddam...ah....nevermind. Nerd.
Hopefully Sony makes a game where you throw a pie at Bill Gates\' face just to piss off Microsoft worshipping dorks.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Bleh....the Xbox may certainly be the most powerful console, but it\'s nothing innovative like the Emotion Engine.
I\'ll take power over innovation anyday. :)
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I think this belongs to the console debating.
I beleive Konami said that: "It’s(XBOX) basically a streamlined PC, quite simple. But PS2 is radically different so porting to other systems isn’t really an option. We certainly couldn’t do it with Silent Hill 2. Perhaps that’s a strategy of Sony!" maybe because on XBOX you can do whatever you can do on a PC but PS2 might offer new things to do.
Dont start quoting me.I didnt say they ment I said maybe.
And nobody can know what exactly he ment.
I\'ll take power over innovation anyday
We dont care what you choose.Because YOU choose it, it doesnt mean its right.
But we do care about what Konami says because they know better.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
...maybe because on XBOX you can do whatever you can do on a PC but PS2 might offer new things to do.
Nope, it\'s for the same reasons why MGS2 couldn\'t be ported straight onto the XBox (or any other platform). Because many things have to be done so differently on the PS2, the only way to achieve similar results on other platforms is via a complete re-write! i.e. a new game engine for a different architecture written from scratch.
We dont care what you choose.Because YOU choose it, it doesnt mean its right.
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I gave MY opinion only. Who said anything about imposing my views on others?
But we do care about what Konami says because they know better. [/B]
It\'s was IMAMURA\'S opinion based on HIS perception only, that doesn\'t mean he\'s right, or that he speaks for the WHOLE of Konami!
What about Lorne\'s comments about the PS2 and the reasons he switched developement of Munch\'s Oddysee onto the XBox. I guess that sums up PS2 developement then...right?
What about Bioware\'s claims of texture streaming on the PS2 compared to what they actually delivered (MDK2). I guess that confirms TS on the PS2 is not as good as they claim then...right?
And what about Hideo\'s numerous comments about the difficulties, problems and disappointments he\'s experienced with the PS2. I guess that confirms the PS2 is a b**** to program and not as powerful as many thought then...right?
(Naughty Dog\'s claims may the next to add to that list....we\'ll see. :))
My point? You can\'t just take the words of one individual from one developer as the absolute facts or representative of the console in general!. Sure they are the experts, but they also have their own motivations and reasons behind any comments they make.
[Post edited after Unicron\'s reply below]
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
Nope, it\'s for the same reasons why MGS2 couldn\'t be ported straight onto the XBox (or any other platform). Because many things have to be done so differently on the PS2, the only way to achieve similar results on other platforms is via a complete re-write! i.e. a new game engine for a different architecture written from scratch.
I gave MY opinion only. Who said anything about imposing my views on others?
It\'s was IMAMURA\'S opinion based on HIS perception only, that doesn\'t mean he\'s right, or that he speaks for the WHOLE of Konami!
What about Bioware\'s claims of texture streaming on the PS2 compared to what they actually delivered (MDK2). I guess that confirms TS on the PS2 is not as good as they claim then...right? And what about Hideo\'s numerous comments about the difficulties, problems and disappointments he\'s experienced with the PS2. I guess that confirms the PS2 is a b**** to program then...right? (Naughty Dog\'s claims may the next to add to that list....we\'ll see.)
The point? You can\'t just take the words of one individual from one developer as the absolute facts!!!. Each have their own motivations and reasons behind any comments they make.
IMAMURA says WE and repeats what Kojima said.So I dont think its just his personal opinion.
He cant simply make his personal opinion look like a fact because this might be against Konami.
When you represent a Company you cant do that.It would bring mislead.You speak about general thoughts of the company.When you belong in a company and you talk about your opinion you mention thats ITS YOUR OPINION when you are interviewed.
I gave MY opinion only. Who said anything about imposing my views on others?
Yes but some people reading it might get the wrong idea.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
IMAMURA says WE and repeats what Kojima said.So I dont think its just his personal opinion.
He cant simply make his personal opinion look like a fact because this might be against Konami.
I\'ve read numerous interviews with Hideo, and if he made similar comments regarding the XBox and PC ports, then the PS2 boards would frequently post his comments in XBox related debates. I have never read such comments from Hideo, hence provide a link please.
When you represent a Company you cant do that.It would bring mislead.You speak about general thoughts of the company.When you belong in a company and you talk about your opinion you mention thats ITS YOUR OPINION when you are interviewed.[/B]
In that interview, \'WE\' refers to himself and HIS team working on Slient Hill 2 only. He is not speaking on behalf of Konami in general. Hence any XBox comments he makes is from his perspectively only, not Konami.
Konami have made their own postion clear on the next gen consoles, that is, a strong focus on the PS2 between now and 2002. This position was echoed in that interview, but it\'s to be expected since the PS2 and it\'s user base are here now, with the XBox and GC to follow in the fall.
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Oh and...you\'re right...this should be in the console debate forum!
Let\'s see what the situation is like after TGS. :)
(I\'ll be back)
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Here is the closest link I could find.Here he mentions why XBOX and GC offers nothing new,it says also what you said about effects like shadows that can be done better on XBOX:),that each console has its own advandages etc.
http://www.sonyweb.com/features/kojima02.html
(this is the second part of the interview)
HK: Well.... it\'s hard. See, a while into MGS2\'s development we started getting information on GameCube and X-Box, and it hit us that all these so called \'next generation\' machines are fundamentally pretty similar. They\'re all the same in a way, and to reflect that, the way we conceptualize games for these kinds of systems would be roughly the same too.
When PS2 first came out, I had a hard time with it. But that wasn\'t because of the tools, or even the machine itself specifically. As a team we had just set our goals higher than even the current level of these next generation machines. Trying to attain these goals with machines like PS2 would always be really difficult. All companies out there were having similar problems creating something really fun on PS2, and actually, that\'s when we saw a boom in software for portable machines. But who knows, in a couple of years we\'ll be seeing portables with the power of current generation platforms so the problems will be the same. It\'s really just a question of visualizing your game in terms of the fundamental hardware in advance.
GW: Then would you say it\'s easier developing for PS2 now than at the start?
HK: I guess it\'s more a matter of us getting used to creating a much higher benchmark of video games than before. It\'s not that we have better tools now, or that Sony\'s been suddenly helping us more or anything. It\'s just a case of getting used to a new level. We had to do the same with PS1!
GW: Well Konami as a whole has quite vocally supported X-Box as a system. Can you clear up once and for all what version of Metal Gear X-Box is getting? Konami Europe and Konami USA seem to have rather different views on this.
HK: First of all, Konami USA and Konami Europe don\'t have any information on this whatsoever. I don\'t know if they\'ve commented yet, but if they have you can take it from me that it\'s nonsense because we ourselves haven\'t made a decision on that yet. Right now we\'re just too busy working on the PS2 game I\'m afraid!
GW: Okay then hypothetically speaking, what would you have liked to include in an X-Box version that you couldn\'t do on PS2?
HK: Nothing specific in terms of features, but I suppose with X-Box a lot of things we\'ve spent time coding in software in PS2 could have probably been done in hardware on X-Box. More specifically, features like shadows and lighting could have been done better.
GW: We\'ll talk more about this in our final interview, but what do you think about GameCube and X-Box generally?
HK: Honestly speaking, the X-Box, GameCube, and PS2 are pretty much the same for me. Obviously each machine has it\'s advantages, but I mean they\'re not introducing anything wildly new like say smell. I guess we\'ll have wait for the next generation for features like that!
That concluded our discussion on MGS2 for PS2. Once again, we\'d like to thank Kojima-san for the immense generosity with his time in allowing these interviews, as well as international product manager Scott Dolph (also Kojima-san\'s interpreter of choice) for his help. Join us again on Friday for the third and final interview with Hideo Kojima, where discuss more general topics and get Kojima-san\'s take on various criticisms that have been leveled at him, as well discussion on what he wants to do after the Metal Gear series!
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HK: Honestly speaking, the X-Box, GameCube, and PS2 are pretty much the same for me. Obviously each machine has it\'s advantages, but I mean they\'re not introducing anything wildly new like say smell. I guess we\'ll have wait for the next generation for features like that!
The funny sh*t about this is that PS2 fanboys thinks Kojima dissed the Xbox here when he said "offers nothing new"...however, the unbiased person knows that Kojima was being facetious! :D Smell in next generation consoles!!!! He\'s being sarcastic! :D
Little does Kojima-san know that Digiscents does have a device that emits smells while you\'re playing games. Plus that thing about PC-like games on Xbox has nothing to do with the hardware, but rather the DEVELOPER! Some people on here are so stupid and gullable that they believe everything some producer says. That was his OPINION!!! PC-style games have nothing to do with the Xbox hardware, rather it has a lot to do with Microsoft allowing such games on the Xbox. Xbox may have PC-styled games, but I\'ll be damned if Microsoft releases them in Japan! The chance of that happening is the same chance that Giants and QIII: Revolution for PS2 will be released in Japan. Microsoft won\'t let it happen. That Konami guy was talking out of his ass...but I don\'t mind since we\'ll be getting Silent Hill 2 later this year. I can say this because the Japanese version is on schedule for the Xbox launch in Japan, so we in America should get the game around that time too. PS2 should get it earlier, but it will be good for comparison purposes.
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I dont know anyone in the forum(except Nplayer2) that said Kojima was dissing XBOX or any other console when he said XBOX and GC doesnt offer anything new.
We(Atleast I) just used it to prove that XBOX isnt all that revolutionary and that both PS2 and XBOX can offer the as much.
though the PS2\'s architecture is different and new.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I dont know anyone that said Kojima was dissing XBOX or any other console by saying XBOX and GC doesnt offer anything new.
We(Atleast I) just used it to prove that XBOX isnt all that revolutionary and that both PS2 and XBOX can offer the as much.
though the PS2\'s architecture is different.
What\'s your definition of "revolutionary"? Does revolutionary mean "radical" to you? Does something have to be DIFFERENT to be revolutionary. I think Xbox is revolutionary because it gives the developer the tool to create revolutionary CONTENT...oh yeah, with good graphics too. PS2 may change the way we LOOK at games but Xbox gives developers the chance to change the ACTUAL GAME CONTENT and put the games industry where the movie industry is...not just a kids thing, but a mainstream thing. The HDD and the broadband are not revolutionary in themselves, but when you combine them with a revolutionary graphics engine, the whole is greater than the sum of it\'s parts. Developers can do so much more with Xbox because of these two features. Sure, PS2 will have them...eventually, but if it\'s not in every box, developers won\'t care.
When Kojima was talking about "revolutionary" he was being facetious. "Revolutionary" has a different meaning for everyone. Kojima thinks the PS9 is "revolutionary". Just sniff some spores and you\'re off to PS9 land playing GT12! :D
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Umm..???
Whats so revolutionary about Xbox???
The games I\'ve seen look like plain old PC games with PC graphics. Nothing more nothing less.
/FAST
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What\'s with this "PC graphics" bullsh*t!?? Is there even a such thing, fatson? Are "PC graphics" high-resolution, high-poly, anit-aliased and high frame rate? If that\'s what you mean by "PC-graphics", then what\'s wrong with that. Now if you said "PS2 graphics" I\'d get pretty pissed off! :D
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It\'s current PC technology and giving it more horsepower. Kinda like adding more displacement to a push rod muscle car.
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Nope.
PC graphics= dull textures, few colours, low polygon (look at Halos landscape), few details, steril.
I think PC games look and fell dead, in some way..
/FAST
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
What\'s your definition of "revolutionary"? Does revolutionary mean "radical" to you? Does something have to be DIFFERENT to be revolutionary. I think Xbox is revolutionary because it gives the developer the tool to create revolutionary CONTENT...oh yeah, with good graphics too. PS2 may change the way we LOOK at games but Xbox gives developers the chance to change the ACTUAL GAME CONTENT and put the games industry where the movie industry is...not just a kids thing, but a mainstream thing. The HDD and the broadband are not revolutionary in themselves, but when you combine them with a revolutionary graphics engine, the whole is greater than the sum of it\'s parts. Developers can do so much more with Xbox because of these two features. Sure, PS2 will have them...eventually, but if it\'s not in every box, developers won\'t care.
When Kojima was talking about "revolutionary" he was being facetious. "Revolutionary" has a different meaning for everyone. Kojima thinks the PS9 is "revolutionary". Just sniff some spores and you\'re off to PS9 land playing GT12! :D
Ok dont be angry.
Revolutionary is something new.So its different.Not just different but it brings things we havent seen before.
I think Xbox is revolutionary because it gives the developer the tool to create revolutionary CONTENT...oh yeah, with good graphics too[/quotre]
PS2 may change the way we LOOK at games but Xbox gives developers the chance to change the ACTUAL GAME CONTENT and put the games industry where the movie industry is...not just a kids thing, but a mainstream thing.
Yeah I suppose PS2 is a kids thing...
Explain me what is this CONTENT.How is this content?Why cant the PS2 do it?How is it going to put the games industry where the movie industry is?For example MGS2 is movie-like.The only think I can think the XBOX can add to MGSX is better graphics.
The HDD and the broadband are not revolutionary in themselves, but when you combine them with a revolutionary graphics engine, the whole is greater than the sum of it\'s parts. Developers can do so much more with Xbox because of these two features. Sure, PS2 will have them...eventually, but if it\'s not in every box, developers won\'t care.
HDD and Broadband?Nobody mentioned those 2 in this thread as revolutionary.
Ok then.Lets talk about these too.With HD and Broadband revolutionary PS2 can be called as the first console to have these.It offers nothing phenomenally to gaming.
Now lets talk about the HDD possibilities.Harrison talked about possibilities of being able to save a contition fom r agm=game which would change later while you progress.
Example:In an RPG You could write something on a small tree save the tree in the contition you left it and after some time visit the place were the tree was only to realise its bigger and older and what you wrote is still written on the tree.
Thats a possibility though not something that it is sure we will see it.
When Kojima was talking about "revolutionary" he was being facetious. "Revolutionary" has a different meaning for everyone. Kojima thinks the PS9 is "revolutionary". Just sniff some spores and you\'re off to PS9 land playing GT12!
So is XBOX13 and GC20.PS9 sticks nowhere in the disgussion.
He didnt mention PS9 in this article.Differently he means revolutionary in the interview I posted and differently he means in the part you mentioned.
I am mainly talking about this link
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You know Xbox wont get online in atleast 2 years. (2003)
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Originally posted by fastson
You know Xbox wont get online in atleast 2 years. (2003)
Yes...IN JAPAN (the leaked document was for Japanese developers).
This is not suprising, given the current state of broadband support in Japan, just read the comments in that same article;
"IMAMURA: We’ll be using the Xbox HD for quicker game play, that means pre-loading the game into the HD. The game will certainly load faster than the PS2 version. But in terms of other features, you know, no matter how the hardware improves, creators still need to think about how to fit their imaginations into these systems. These are still problems, even with Xbox. The network isn’t really ready for it. In terms of broadband, the infrastructure here in Japan is still so slow.
IGN: Tell me about it. It’s taken four months just to get signed up with DSL here.
IMAMURA: [laughs] I know!"
We have to wait and see regarding the US and Europe.
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Xbox dosnt offer anything new.
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Originally posted by fastson
Xbox dosnt offer anything new.
Depends on how you define new!
Sony promised a revolution, movie like graphics and characters with real emotions! So one year after the launch in Japan, where are they? Even now the PS2 games which most gamers are excited about are updates of previous PSX games (MGS2 and GT3!). Sure they would be awesome, but revolutionary they are not.
Console hardware doesn\'t need to be revolutionary, it just needs to be as powerful as possible BUT easy to program. THIS is the environment which will allow games developers to concentrate more on creating games rather than wrestling with the hardware. This is the environment that has the most potential for providing a revolution in our games. This is why I more favour the XBox!
Anyway, I\'ll be back after some info from TGS. Enjoy the show everyone, whichever console you prefer! :)
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Originally posted by Dr Yassam
I\'ll take power over innovation anyday. :) [/Q
Maybe you should consider what you just said... If it wasn\'t for innovation, we wouldn\'t be using computers, just a larger abacus. Inovation is good, It is good that Sony s dabbling in dynamic architecture. It is more versitile and potentially much more efficient.
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Nope, it\'s for the same reasons why MGS2 couldn\'t be ported straight onto the XBox (or any other platform). Because many things have to be done so differently on the PS2, the only way to achieve similar results on other platforms is via a complete re-write! i.e. a new game engine for a different architecture written from scratch.
Wrong again, it\'s because with PS2 they can do many more things how THEY want them to be done...which means SH2 on PS2 will be far more unique.
It\'s was IMAMURA\'S opinion based on HIS perception only, that doesn\'t mean he\'s right, or that he speaks for the WHOLE of Konami!
He works for konami, he is the lead guy of the SH2 project...his view is as good as fact.....Must i go and get those countless links where konami think PS2 will win and xbox will fail?
i guess since the CEO of konami is just one man, his opinion that PS2 will be the winner and xbox the pathetic loser is worthless correct?...give me a damn break.
What about Lorne\'s comments about the PS2 and the reasons he switched developement of Munch\'s Oddysee onto the XBox. I guess that sums up PS2 developement then...right?
The same people who have never done a 3D engine before? the same people who only have a pathetic 3.6mpps in their xbox game?...:laughing:
What about Bioware\'s claims of texture streaming on the PS2 compared to what they actually delivered (MDK2). I guess that confirms TS on the PS2 is not as good as they claim then...right?
Nice try, you do not meantion the FACT that later in development they were getting "more texture memory than we know what do with".... nice selective hearing you have;)
And what about Hideo\'s numerous comments about the difficulties, problems and disappointments he\'s experienced with the PS2. I guess that confirms the PS2 is a b**** to program and not as powerful as many thought then...right?
He said his expectations where too high....not that PS2 was a disappointment, MGS2 speaks for it\'s self....something you will have to wait almost 2 years for on your xbox..if you get MGS2;)
(Naughty Dog\'s claims may the next to add to that list....we\'ll see. :))
My point? You can\'t just take the words of one individual from one developer as the absolute facts or representative of the console in general!. Sure they are the experts, but they also have their own motivations and reasons behind any comments they make.
Bill gates comments=worthless
seamus comments-worthless
j allard comments-worthless
i guess according to you dr yassam their word\'s are about as worthless as a penny on saks fith avenue right?:D
hey, i like this...i can just ignore what ever they say about xbox because they are only one person...:D
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Bill gates comments=worthless
seamus comments-worthless
j allard comments-worthless
Here\'s what we think:
Nplayers comments=worthless.
:laughing:
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The funny sh*t about this is that PS2 fanboys thinks Kojima dissed the Xbox here when he said "offers nothing new"...however, the unbiased person knows that Kojima was being facetious! :D Smell in next generation consoles!!!! He\'s being sarcastic! :D
WOW..you can read his mind? can you show me that? MORON....it offers nothing new,nothing different,nothing intresting...and only pathetic moron xbox zealots like you can\'t see that...
Little does Kojima-san know that Digiscents does have a device that emits smells while you\'re playing games.
Is this on any console? it\'s not? well then that is why he said he wish he had this....
Plus that thing about PC-like games on Xbox has nothing to do with the hardware, but rather the DEVELOPER! Some people on here are so stupid and gullable that they believe everything some producer says.
Boy, will we have many PC-like games with PCish graphics on xbox:D
That was his OPINION!!! PC-style games have nothing to do with the Xbox hardware, rather it has a lot to do with Microsoft allowing such games on the Xbox.
Quality control? i really hate it when a stupid company has to silence the creative minds of developers..i\'m glad sony does not do this....
Xbox may have PC-styled games, but I\'ll be damned if Microsoft releases them in Japan! The chance of that happening is the same chance that Giants and QIII: Revolution for PS2 will be released in Japan. Microsoft won\'t let it happen.
what is HALO doing at TGS then?:laughing: ...
That Konami guy was talking out of his ass...but I don\'t mind since we\'ll be getting Silent Hill 2 later this year. I can say this because the Japanese version is on schedule for the Xbox launch in Japan, so we in America should get the game around that time too. PS2 should get it earlier, but it will be good for comparison purposes.
I bet if he insulted and slamed PS2 like he did xbox you would be praising his comments...right reverendxbox?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Ok dont be angry.
Revolutionary is something new.So its different.Not just different but it brings things we havent seen before.
Oh, I\'m not angry, I just wanted to know what you meant by "revolutionary". According to your logic, square wheels are revolutionary. Also they are a step back, they are different and it brings something we haven\'t seen before.
Yeah I suppose PS2 is a kids thing...
You misunderstood me. I wasn\'t talking about the PS2, I was talking about the image of videogames in general.
Explain me what is this CONTENT.How is this content?Why cant the PS2 do it?How is it going to put the games industry where the movie industry is?For example MGS2 is movie-like.The only think I can think the XBOX can add to MGSX is better graphics.
The central idea of my post was not the revolution of graphics like the PS2, but the revolution in CONTENT. What I mean by that is focusing on the storyline and the overall game instead of wrestling with hardware. Why reinvent the wheel? Xbox\'s philosophy is this: "Okay, we\'ll give you the same tools you\'re used to, but we\'ll make them more powerful". PS2\'s philosophy is, "Here\'s a powerful tool...but it\'s only powerful if you use it right...now figure it out!" The result of that philosophy is PSX games with better graphics.
HDD and Broadband?Nobody mentioned those 2 in this thread as revolutionary.
Ok then.Lets talk about these too.With HD and Broadband revolutionary PS2 can be called as the first console to have these.It offers nothing phenomenally to gaming.
Now lets talk about the HDD possibilities.Harrison talked about possibilities of being able to save a contition fom r agm=game which would change later while you progress.
Example:In an RPG You could write something on a small tree save the tree in the contition you left it and after some time visit the place were the tree was only to realise its bigger and older and what you wrote is still written on the tree.
Thats a possibility though not something that it is sure we will see it.
English must not be your first language because you misunderstood me again. I don\'t know how I could make what I just said more clearer. You don\'t have to explain to me the benefits of a HDD and ethernet adapter...and please, don\'t offend me by quoting that goddam SCEI marionette, Phil Harrison.
I was saying that the HDD + Ethernet + XGPU makes the Xbox revolutionary...not just one of them alone. They are tools that give developers more options and flexibility to improve the experience for the end user.
So is XBOX13 and GC20.PS9 sticks nowhere in the disgussion.
This proves one of two things: Either you don\'t live in the U.S., or Sony hasn\'t been advertising enough. PS9 came from the U.S. PS2 comercial...I know, I don\'t get it either. :D
He didnt mention PS9 in this article.Differently he means revolutionary in the interview I posted and differently he means in the part you mentioned.
I am mainly talking about this link
Yeah...and chickens with bazooka\'s don\'t sing Mary Poppins when the wind blows from the east too ( yeah, I can\'t understand you either ).
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Originally posted by fastson
Nope.
PC graphics= dull textures, few colours, low polygon (look at Halos landscape), few details, steril.
I think PC games look and fell dead, in some way..
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In that case PS2 has "PC-graphics" too. You should have seen GT2000 when it was first unvieled...PC graphics all the way! I bet the 20% version of MGS2 had "PC-graphics" too. Quake III has "PC graphics" too. Wow...PS2 must be a PC! I should have never bought it! Damn, I knew those USB ports weren\'t for GAME RELATED STUFF. :rolleyes:
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What\'s your definition of "revolutionary"?
Playstation2...:D
Does revolutionary mean "radical" to you? Does something have to be DIFFERENT to be revolutionary.
Not at all...what is revolutionary is rehash PC technology that has been around for 20 years...go xbox!!:laughing:
I think Xbox is revolutionary because it gives the developer the tool to create revolutionary CONTENT...oh yeah, with good graphics too.
Halo=tribes ripp-off
Azurik=soul reaver ripp-off
give me a damn break...NOTHING on xbox is new or revolutionary...the conten is ripp-off of other games, the hardware is pretty much 20 year old technology..
PS2 may change the way we LOOK at games but Xbox gives developers the chance to change the ACTUAL GAME CONTENT and put the games industry where the movie industry is...not just a kids thing, but a mainstream thing.
Never mind the PSX....only 80million sold? PS2 on MTV? PS2 in movies?....why oh why can\'t video games be mainstream:rolleyes:
the word microsoft and mainstream should never be in the same sentence....Sony with their music and movies divison can crush any pathetic attempt microsoft trys to pull with xbox...
when it comes to brand name....SONY wins hands down...when it comes to mainstream content..SONY wins hands down...when it comes to which company made video games mainstream...SONY takes the credit.
The HDD and the broadband are not revolutionary in themselves, but when you combine them with a revolutionary graphics engine, the whole is greater than the sum of it\'s parts.
YAWN!!!! PS2 will have on-line play before xbox...it will have BB and HDD....again. xbox brings NOTHING new.
Developers can do so much more with Xbox because of these two features. Sure, PS2 will have them...eventually, but if it\'s not in every box, developers won\'t care.
i mean...only 15,000,000 world-wide user-base when xbox comes?...if i were a developer i would take the sure win and go with the 0 user base of xbox....:rolleyes:
Sony will push it...the same people who pushed the walkman and PSX..the same people who have music and movie divisons to help push it...
When Kojima was talking about "revolutionary" he was being facetious. "Revolutionary" has a different meaning for everyone. Kojima thinks the PS9 is "revolutionary". Just sniff some spores and you\'re off to PS9 land playing GT12
now now, don\'t get all jeolous because we will have a console after PS2 and you won\'t after xbox:D
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Oh it\'s the bandwagon jumping NTroller! :D Since I KNOW you\'ll be on the Xbox bandwagon this fall, which games are you getting at launch? Halo? How about Azurik? Let me know. See you in line!
P.S. You better pre-order just in case! Maybe you\'ll name yourself "Xplayer" again and bash the Cube and PS2! :D
What a troll!
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Originally posted by fastson
Nope.
PC graphics= dull textures, few colours, low polygon (look at Halos landscape), few details, steril.
I think PC games look and fell dead, in some way..
/FAST
Sorry to retort but look and fell dead? What does that mean? And what PC games are you playing? Just what kind of PC have you seen games on a 486 with a 2mb video card with 3mb of ram. Dull textures? Are you telling me that No One Lives Forever, Deus Ex, Alice, Rune and Unreal Tournament have dull textures? I am sorry you have your right to your own opinion but I think you are blind. Few details....Oh man. Bad investment.
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Originally posted by Nplayer-2
Nice try, you do not meantion the FACT that later in development they were getting "more texture memory than we know what do with".... nice selective hearing you have;)
The rest of your post was typical NPlayer ignorance, but I will respond to this one point.
Have you actually read the reviews of MDK2? IGN says the textures on the PS2 version are WORSE than the DC version!!! Other reviews say that graphically the game looks no better than the DC version!!!
So WHERE is this claim of Bioware that they have "more texture memory than we know what do with"? Where is their claim that texture streaming has solved all their problems?
MDK2 has been reviewed and it proves their claims were misleading, hence it proves the point I was making.
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I recently \'aquired\' MDK2 Revolution... its NOT better than the DC version.
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I just hope X-BOX gets pounded nothing against it or anything but i already got a pc with over 1 GHZ i dont need some PC-Console or Bill Gates ruling the world even more
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Originally posted by Bozco
I just hope X-BOX gets pounded nothing against it or anything but i already got a pc with over 1 GHZ i dont need some PC-Console or Bill Gates ruling the world even more
What? That\'s the stupidest thing I ever heard....
1-XB isn\'t a computer. So you having a computer is irrelevant.
2-Nothing against it, but you want it to fail... that makes sense...
3-No one can rule the world with a successful game console. Sony\'s trying, but it ain\'t working.
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You misunderstood me. I wasn\'t talking about the PS2, I was talking about the image of videogames in general.
Sony already changed the way we see videogames with PS1.Sony made the video game industry more mature and appealing to older poeple already.
Sorry for misunderstanding you.
The central idea of my post was not the revolution of graphics like the PS2, but the revolution in CONTENT. What I mean by that is focusing on the storyline and the overall game instead of wrestling with hardware. Why reinvent the wheel? Xbox\'s philosophy is this: "Okay, we\'ll give you the same tools you\'re used to, but we\'ll make them more powerful". PS2\'s philosophy is, "Here\'s a powerful tool...but it\'s only powerful if you use it right...now figure it out!" The result of that philosophy is PSX games with better graphics.
Thats nothing very special.Each console works as a double wdged sword according to what you said.
You havent explained me how XBOX is going to put the games industry where the movie industry is.
And accoriding to Hideo Kojima now that they got used to the hardware they dont stragle any longer with the hardware.
Its only a matter of getting used to it.
The PS2 except from the graphics it also offers a lot in gaming too.Thats the way it was design to anyways.AI,physics,analog controller etc offer more than just graphics.
English must not be your first language because you misunderstood me again. I don\'t know how I could make what I just said more clearer. You don\'t have to explain to me the benefits of a HDD and ethernet adapter...and please, don\'t offend me by quoting that goddam SCEI marionette, Phil Harrison.
You misunderstood me too here.What I said about Phill Harrison IS A POSSIBILITY!!Something that can happen.I didnt use it to convince you that the PS2\'s HDD makes PS2 revolutionary or that because HE said it.I metioned it as a possibility.New ideas about the use of the HDD might bring great things to gaming.That was my point.
I wasnt explaining you anything.I havent explained you anything about HDD or Broadband.I just told you that PS2 is revolutionary as the first console to have these 2....Were have I tried to explain you the benefits of the HDD or Broadband??
When I was speaking about HDD I wasnt trying to explain you the HDD or its benefits but its possibilities.Its not sure or impossible.You know this might work for the XBOX\'s HDD as well.
I was saying that the HDD + Ethernet + XGPU makes the Xbox revolutionary...not just one of them alone. They are tools that give developers more options and flexibility to improve the experience for the end user.
HDD+Ethernet+EE/GS
HDD+ Ethernet+XGPU
Explain me the difference and how this combination makes the XBOX more revolutionary than the PS2.
This proves one of two things: Either you don\'t live in the U.S., or Sony hasn\'t been advertising enough. PS9 came from the U.S. PS2 comercial...I know, I don\'t get it either.
Yes I dont live in the US but I ve heard about the PS9 comercial.But it doesnt have to do anything with what PS2 IS NOW but that PS2 is Sony\'s first step to their plans of future revolutionary next gen gaming.This commercial works fine as a PS2 commercial but it also increases our expectations of what Sony is going to bring next.
Thats my opinion on the comercial.
I could be wrong though.
Yeah...and chickens with bazooka\'s don\'t sing Mary Poppins when the wind blows from the east too ( yeah, I can\'t understand you either ).
(Have you ever heard about equivocal meanings?)
From what you posted Kojima was talking about PS9 anyways and not PS2:)
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Originally posted by Unicron!
HDD+Ethernet+EE/GS
HDD+ Ethernet+XGPU
Explain me the difference and how this combination makes the XBOX more revolutionary than the PS2.
Ummm, a $300 system that has both included out of the box, vs a $250 (by fall) system + a at least $100 combo add-on... hmmm. I dont see a difference either. :p Seriously, add-ons dont sell, and Sony will NOT change that. Incase you don\'t know, Sony stopped being innovative and wants to coast on 3rd party support and brand name alone this generation. They can too, but they won\'t get a huge percent to buy the add-ons.
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But this still doesnt make XBOX revolutionary.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
But this still doesnt make XBOX revolutionary.
I didn\'t call it revolutionary, but MS\'s HDD and Ethernet will actually be supported by XB\'s userbase and developers. If Sony couldnt sell gamers on a cheap cord to connect systems, or pocket station, they wont be able to make something 2x + more expensive successful... anyways... neither XB or PS2 are revolutionary.
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Originally posted by Bozco
I just hope X-BOX gets pounded nothing against it or anything but i already got a pc with over 1 GHZ i dont need some PC-Console or Bill Gates ruling the world even more
Yeah instead everyone will be ruled by Sony and the world will have generic crappy games. Nintendo and SEGA rule and Sony can\'t even compete.
Sony has no talent,they compete only on popularity alone. oh well....
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Originally posted by Nplayer-2
Playstation2...:D
Not at all...what is revolutionary is rehash PC technology that has been around for 20 years...go xbox!!:laughing:
Halo=tribes ripp-off
Azurik=soul reaver ripp-off
give me a damn break...NOTHING on xbox is new or revolutionary...the conten is ripp-off of other games, the hardware is pretty much 20 year old technology..
Never mind the PSX....only 80million sold? PS2 on MTV? PS2 in movies?....why oh why can\'t video games be mainstream:rolleyes:
the word microsoft and mainstream should never be in the same sentence....Sony with their music and movies divison can crush any pathetic attempt microsoft trys to pull with xbox...
when it comes to brand name....SONY wins hands down...when it comes to mainstream content..SONY wins hands down...when it comes to which company made video games mainstream...SONY takes the credit.
YAWN!!!! PS2 will have on-line play before xbox...it will have BB and HDD....again. xbox brings NOTHING new.
i mean...only 15,000,000 world-wide user-base when xbox comes?...if i were a developer i would take the sure win and go with the 0 user base of xbox....:rolleyes:
Sony will push it...the same people who pushed the walkman and PSX..the same people who have music and movie divisons to help push it...
now now, don\'t get all jeolous because we will have a console after PS2 and you won\'t after xbox:D
I just pretty much have one thing to say. The PS2 is way more PC (computer) like than any other major console out there right now period, end of story.
The PS2 has more PC ports than the xbox right now or any other console for that matter.
The PS2 has a printer and a programming language, keyboard, mouse, web browser, video camera. The only thing it doesn\'t have is a 21 inch monitor that ships with it.
The only game machine that has more PC games than that of the PS2 is a PC itself.
If PS2 wins this generation, Sony is a monopoly more than Microsoft. At least Microsoft doesn\'t do Alarm Clocks and watches.
I honestly wouldn\'t be suprised if Sony came out with a Washing machine and dryer. oh wait they arn\'t a monopoly... Sure they arn\'t a monopoly, if you are braindamaged.
Movies at theaters, movies at blockbuster, music CD\'s, computer hardware includes the PC itself, laptops, CDRW\'s, Monitors, speakers, etc.... Software, video game software, video game machines, alarm clocks, watches, cd players, tape decks, dvd players, headphones, gamepads, televisions and anything to do with video including but not excluding tapes, cd-rom disks, dvd, clocks, operating environments, etc.....
oh they arn\'t a Monopoly!!!! oh no!!!! please,lets wake up now and call a spade a spade. Sony is a monopoly that lives outside of the United States and is not under any laws of the United States and thus in the USA would be a monopoly.
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Docwiz, err I mean Dwarrior :rolleyes:, you don\'t seem to know what a monopoly is. Sure SONY makes lots of things. But are they the only alternative? Are they the only ones that makes TV\'s, VCR\'s etc? No they\'re not. People can buy Panasonic, Philips, Sharp, Mitsubishi etc etc instead. What alternative does people have if they want to play the latest games on their PC\'s? Oh yeah, that\'s right. They can ONLY buy the buggy POS known as MS Windows. Better get your facts straight before writing any more BS Dwarrior. But I wouldn\'t expect any less from you.
mo·nop·o·ly (m-np-l)
n., pl. mo·nop·o·lies.
1.: Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or selling a commodity or service.
2.: Law. A right granted by a government giving exclusive control over a specified commercial activity to a single party.
3. a: A company or group having exclusive control over a commercial activity.
3. b: A commodity or service so controlled.
4. a: Exclusive possession or control: arrogantly claims to have a monopoly on the truth.
4. b: Something that is exclusively possessed or controlled: showed that scientific achievement is not a male monopoly.
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Originally posted by EThugg
I didn\'t call it revolutionary, but MS\'s HDD and Ethernet will actually be supported by XB\'s userbase and developers. If Sony couldnt sell gamers on a cheap cord to connect systems, or pocket station, they wont be able to make something 2x + more expensive successful... anyways... neither XB or PS2 are revolutionary.
I agree then
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Originally posted by Dwarrior
I just pretty much have one thing to say. The PS2 is way more PC (computer) like than any other major console out there right now period, end of story.
The PS2 has more PC ports than the xbox right now or any other console for that matter.
The PS2 has a printer and a programming language, keyboard, mouse, web browser, video camera. The only thing it doesn\'t have is a 21 inch monitor that ships with it.
The only game machine that has more PC games than that of the PS2 is a PC itself.
If PS2 wins this generation, Sony is a monopoly more than Microsoft. At least Microsoft doesn\'t do Alarm Clocks and watches.
I honestly wouldn\'t be suprised if Sony came out with a Washing machine and dryer. oh wait they arn\'t a monopoly... Sure they arn\'t a monopoly, if you are braindamaged.
Movies at theaters, movies at blockbuster, music CD\'s, computer hardware includes the PC itself, laptops, CDRW\'s, Monitors, speakers, etc.... Software, video game software, video game machines, alarm clocks, watches, cd players, tape decks, dvd players, headphones, gamepads, televisions and anything to do with video including but not excluding tapes, cd-rom disks, dvd, clocks, operating environments, etc.....
oh they arn\'t a Monopoly!!!! oh no!!!! please,lets wake up now and call a spade a spade. Sony is a monopoly that lives outside of the United States and is not under any laws of the United States and thus in the USA would be a monopoly.
PS2 is like PC only if you want to use it as a PC.A printer a programming language, keyboard, mouse, web browser, video camera can be used only if you want them and ofcourse buy them.
The PC is still a PC without these while the PS2 is a console.
The only game machine that has more PC games than that of the PS2 is a PC itself.
Yeah right.:P
DC had lots of PC ports too.And just wait until XBOX is released.
About monopoly Samwise already answered about monopoly.