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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Bossieman on April 05, 2001, 07:43:41 AM
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OK. I keep hearing that the x-box is 3 times more powerful than PS2.
1. x-box calculates a Einstein equation 3 times faster than the PS2.
2. MGSX for the x-box will have 3 times more powerful AI, 3 times better rain and wind calculations.
3. The PS2 is a Supercomputer according to EU, I wounder what x-box is? Mayby a Supersupercomputer.
4. U can have 3 times higher resolution on the x-box about 3840x3072. (vs 1280x1024)
5. The DVD is 3 times better than the DVD in PS2.
6. You can split up the tv screen into 3 areas on the x-box , in the first area you play MGS2, in the second DMC and in the third U play The Getaway. ( at 180 fps)
What does 3 TIMES MORE POWERFUL MEAN?????
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Ask MS.
Its a way to hype the console IMO.
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Much more polygons + 64 MB of unified RAM + built-in 10GB HD + much better sound system + 4 controller ports + much longer cords for the controllers + better texturing + more nifty graphical techniques........and that\'s about it.
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Originally posted by Kituka
Much more polygons + 64 MB of unified RAM + built-in 10GB HD + much better sound system + 4 controller ports + much longer cords for the controllers + better texturing + more nifty graphical techniques........and that\'s about it.
Does that make the X-BOX 3 times more powerful?
Its something here that is not right.
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Ska inte tro på allt M$ säger!
Speciellt inte "jag-dyrkar-microsoft" Kituka!
Its all BS!
Bossieman: Har du sett något Xbox spel som är snyggare än tex, FF10, MGS2, GT3???
/FAST
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Originally posted by Kituka
Much more polygons...
...on paper...let\'s wait and see in Real Games...
+ 64 MB of unified RAM
Do you think 64 MB of unified RAM make the X-Box 3 Times more powerful ? :rolleyes: ? Why Nintendo has chosen dedicated RAM for the Jewel NGC?
+ built-in 10GB HD
...I think the future PS2s will have a 40 GB HD built-in...I\'m confident Sony will do it...
+ much better sound system
? much better :rolleyes: ?
+ 4 controller ports
ih ih ih ih.....funny...so The N64 is 3 Times more powerful than the PS2 for this reason :rolleyes: :)
+ much longer cords for the controllers
...so my vacuum cleaner is 3 Times more powerful than my PS2 :laughing:......don\'t get me wrong...I\'m only joking :)
+ better texturing + more nifty graphical techniques
Agreed !
........and that\'s about it. [/B]
Please Dr Yassam help him :D :)
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Who cares about the power? Although I\'m sure XB is somewhat more powerful, I really care about Munch, Panzer Dragoon 3, JSRF, DoA3, Malice, Tony Hawk 2x, Silent Hill X ( I can wait a few months for extra features/scenes). And if you believe a tiny bit of what Team Xbox is saying, we will have much to look foward to at E3 and beyond. As a gamer I can\'t wait!
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The processor in the PS.2 is way more powerful than the CPU in the X-Box.But the GPU in the X is more advanced than the GS.Still the complete tech specs of the GS haven\'t been released.
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Still the complete tech specs of the GS haven\'t been released.
And...um...the Xbox\'s full specs aren\'t released yet either....yeah thats it!
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
And...um...the Xbox\'s full specs aren\'t released yet either....yeah thats it!
Well, if we have to nitpick he didn\'t say the complete Xbox specs were released either. He just said the CPU was more powerful than the P3 processor in Xbox.
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Originally posted by EThugg
Who cares about the power? Although I\'m sure XB is somewhat more powerful, I really care about Munch, Panzer Dragoon 3, JSRF, DoA3, Malice, Tony Hawk 2x, Silent Hill X ( I can wait a few months for extra features/scenes).
...extra features/scenes...Where? :rolleyes: Silent Hill X? MGSX? More features than MGS2 ?? Tony Hawk 2x? more features than Tony Hawk pro skater 3 for PS2 ? :rolleyes: ...DOA3? more features than Tekken 4,Soul Calibur 2 and Virtua Fighter 4 ? :rolleyes: ? ...Malice? Jason Rubin\'s New Creature will blow away Malice out of the water...
X-Box will be a Great Console but just now I can\'t see one reason to buy one at Launch...I\'ll wait until E3 and then I\'ll see...
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It is a PR number. Any gamer that spends time on the web should know that. It is entirely based on theoretical numbers and is only taking into account those numbers that the company (MS in this case) chooses.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
...extra features/scenes...Where? :rolleyes: Silent Hill X? MGSX? More features than MGS2 ?? Tony Hawk 2x? more features than Tony Hawk pro skater 3 for PS2 ? :rolleyes: ...DOA3? more features than Tekken 4,Soul Calibur 2 and Virtua Fighter 4 ? :rolleyes: ? ...Malice? Jason Rubin\'s New Creature will blow away Malice out of the water...
X-Box will be a Great Console but just now I can\'t see one reason to buy one at Launch...I\'ll wait until E3 and then I\'ll see...
Why are you rolling your eyes so much? You want inferior versions of games?
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Originally posted by EThugg
Why are you rolling your eyes so much? You want inferior versions of games?
May you explain to me the sense of your questions?
Have you played MGSX? NO!
Have you seen any screens of MGSX?
Do you know something about it?
Have you played Silent Hill X?...and Silent Hill 2?
...then how the Hell can you speak about inferior or superior versions of games???
I\'m playing MGS2 and I can say it has a Great Potential...so...what EThugg could say about X-Box Games?....The answer is :"NOTHING"...because he has seen nothing and he has played nothing!
So close your mouth :) and wait until E3!
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I hope it truly is 3x\'s more powerful, cause then I would have a huge reason for owning one
Time will tell, but if recent screenshots are only showing off a % of XBox\'s final graphical powers then Xbox will have some cool looking stuff.
The sound processor in XBox is a beast from what I read, and is considerably more powerful then GC and PS2
Gameplay will be judged when its time to judge it
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3. The PS2 is a Supercomputer according to EU, I wounder what x-box is? Mayby a Supersupercomputer.
if Xbox is "3" times more,that means its a SuperSuperSupercomputer..hehee :eyemouth:
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Has it occured to anyone that for the most part it is just hype right now? MS has to give huge figures, otherwise no one cares. Sony did the same thing with the PS2, when they was trying to steal attenion away from Sega and the DC. It is a common buisness practice.
And even if the Xbox is 3x more powerful then the PS2, do you really expect to see games that show it in the first generation? Not a chance.
So, in my opinion, all you will see at E3 is slightly better looking games then the PS2 or games that equal the look of the PS2. Nothing that looks 3x better then the PS2.
Also, alot of that 3x stuff is CPU calucations, which would allow better AI, enviorment effects,etc. Once again, we won\'t see any games that take advantage of that until second / third generation. And even then, there is no set comparison, as we don\'t know exactly how powerful and useful Sony\'s EE chip can be in second/ third generation software.
In short: Its hype and even if it is more powerful, we won\'t be able to tell \'till at least second generation software.
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Im looking forward to the Naughty Dog secret game!
They said before gamestock that it would be a Xbox killer.
Xbox killer in graphics that is.
Btw It wont be that hard beating the Xbox graphics. (just look at CES, Gamestock ect.)
:D :laughing: :D
EDIT: I agree with Living-In-Clip.
/FAST
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Well I think we will see games that are much better than what we have seen on ps2 so far. Basicly I have not seen ps2 do anything that dc has not done. When you look at soul calibur, shenmue, grandia, Doa2, crazy taxi. I mean ps2 is not blowing away dc enterms of graphics not yet at least. And even if xbox games look 3x better than ps2 games. Every xbox game won\'t because sometimes developers get lazy and they don\'t put as much detail into all their games. Examples of all 989 titles and games from ea that should have been stellar like knockout kings and nba live, and let us not forget those army men games and eternal ring. And I don\'t know what the hell tecmo was thinking with a game like unison. They better stick to fighting games.
So far we have not been given are revolution yet and xbox and nintendo are the only ons left. Nobody has yet delivered to gamers what they promised(except sega because they did not promise or hype anything) I doubt xbox or gamecube will live up to all the hype ppl are putting on them. When you hype something up you always get let down. I guess thats why I was so pleased with my dreamcast because nothing was hyped and nothing was promise and dc manage to offer some great games. Ps2 was hyped up to be something it is not and now xbox is following rite along suit.
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I seriously doubt that it will be 3 times more powerful. It will be more powerful but not 3X. I can tell you one thing I do know for sure though...it will be 3 times bigger than the PS2. :)
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Originally posted by Kituka
Much more polygons + 64 MB of unified RAM + built-in 10GB HD + much better sound system + 4 controller ports + much longer cords for the controllers + better texturing + more nifty graphical techniques........and that\'s about it.
Does that make the X-BOX 3 times more powerful?
Its something here that is not right. [/B]
What is not right? The PS2 has much more polygons than the PSX, more RAM, it is going to get a HDD, It has a better controller, it has better texturing, and it has better graphical techniques. Does that not make the PS2 exponentialy more powerful? Your whole argument makes no sense. From the specs released by MS the Xbox is more powerful why is that so hard to understand.
Originally posted by XBOX
I doubt xbox or gamecube will live up to all the hype ppl are putting on them. When you hype something up you always get let down. I guess thats why I was so pleased with my dreamcast because nothing was hyped and nothing was promise and dc manage to offer some great games.
OK,
1- The GC has not been hyped in the least bit.
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2- The DC was extremely hyped before launch. Just like the GC will be.
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Originally posted by Gohan
1- The GC has not been hyped in the least bit.
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2- The DC was extremely hyped before launch. Just like the GC will be.
I doubt xbox or gamecube will live up to all the hype ppl are putting on them. When you hype something up you always get let down. I guess thats why I was so pleased with my dreamcast because nothing was hyped and nothing was promise and dc manage to offer some great games.
Excuse me sir but I believe I said all the hype ppl are putting on them. And not all the hype they generated themselves. And I don\'t remember many ppl hyping sega up to be something it is not if so what why did not all those sega hypers buy dreamcasts?
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Originally posted by XBOX
Excuse me sir but I believe I said all the hype ppl are putting on them. And not all the hype they generated themselves. And I don\'t remember many ppl hyping sega up to be something it is not if so what why did not all those sega hypers buy dreamcasts?
Who is putting hype on the GC? Some guys in a forum? A gaming website? That is ridiculous. How can you hype to people that already know games. When the casual gamer starts anticipating a console then it is hyped. The average consumer has no idea what a Gamecube is but damn near everyone knows about the Xbox.
BTW, I know I am not the only one who remembers those "9/9/99" commercials that were running in the US ALL summer. That my friend is hype. They were trying to build hype for their console by showing commercials on places such as MTV and ESPN. They even had a launch party that went in conjunction with MTV\'s VMAs. That is serious hype.
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so the x-box is not 3x more powerful?
I dont think MS just said: Hmmm the x-box is 3x more powerful.
Are they lying?
Or can you actually play 3 PS2 games on a tripple splitscreen on the x-box.
If you cant, the x-box cant be 3x more powerful, or am I wrong?
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BTW, I know I am not the only one who remembers those "9/9/99" commercials that were running in the US ALL summer. That my friend is hype. They were trying to build hype for their console by showing commercials on places such as MTV and ESPN. They even had a launch party that went in conjunction with MTV\'s VMAs. That is serious hype.
Um that\'s called advertising and letting the public know your product exists. Sega did not hype the Dreamcast up one bit. Do your research. They didn\'t say it was 3x more powerful than this or that,.. or that it would be able to generate cg-type graphics or anything of the sort. Perhaps your definition of hype is different from everyone else\'s. I guess by your definition, Colgate, or Aqua Fresh is hyped cause I see all kinds of commercials from them.
- dm
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datamage,
DO NOT question my threads when you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Do you even know what "hype" means? Here is a definition straight from dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com):
hype (hp) Slang
n.
1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion: the hype surrounding the murder trial.
2. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material: “It is pure hype, a gigantic PR job” (Saturday Review).
3. An advertising or promotional ploy: “Some restaurant owners in town are cooking up a $75,000 hype to promote New York as ‘Restaurant City, U.S.A.’” (New York).
4. Something deliberately misleading; a deception: “ [He] says that there isn\'t any energy crisis at all, that it\'s all a hype, to maintain outrageous profits for the oil companies” (Joel Oppenheimer).
v. tr. hyped, hyp·ing, hypes.
To publicize or promote, especially by extravagant, inflated, or misleading claims: hyped the new book by sending its author on a promotional tour.
Now like I said, Sega did hype the DC before its launch.
BTW, Maybe you should do some research.
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3x the power graphically is enough to say ‘pfffft\'. Need proof? How else would a Sega fan get the big brass ones to say they haven\'t seen anything on PS2 that bests what the DC can do, aside from wearing dark glasses all the time. The better graphics get, the more difficult it is to appreciate improvements. At 3x the PS2 it may take a graphics connoisseur to notice or care.
The power issue really gets muddled between the two when it comes to pushing all that pretty detail into action. My guess is PS2 will match Xbox move for move but as is so wisely and often repeated, lets just wait and see. Since we want to be fair, how about waiting until E3 2003? Ahhhh, never mind...
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Gohan:
DO NOT tell me what to do, as I will do as I please. Read your own damn post for your answer. Everything is hyped then. I just saw a commerical for Burger King, damn what hype. Chill the hell out before replying.
. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion: the hype surrounding the murder trial.
2. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material: “It is pure hype, a gigantic PR job” (Saturday Review).
3. An advertising or promotional ploy: “Some restaurant owners in town are cooking up a $75,000 hype to promote New York as ‘Restaurant City, U.S.A.’” (New York).
4. Something deliberately misleading; a deception: “ [He] says that there isn\'t any energy crisis at all, that it\'s all a hype, to maintain outrageous profits for the oil companies” (Joel Oppenheimer).
v. tr. hyped, hyp·ing, hypes.
To publicize or promote, especially by extravagant, inflated, or misleading claims: hyped the new book by sending its author on a promotional tour.
If you read, I suppose we\'re both right. Sega did advertise their DC, but they did not make any extravagant or misleading claims. As I said, if we go by the first definition then 90% of everything in the world is hyped.
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
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Originally posted by BizioEE
May you explain to me the sense of your questions?
Have you played MGSX? NO!
Have you seen any screens of MGSX?
Do you know something about it?
Have you played Silent Hill X?...and Silent Hill 2?
...then how the Hell can you speak about inferior or superior versions of games???
I\'m playing MGS2 and I can say it has a Great Potential...so...what EThugg could say about X-Box Games?....The answer is :"NOTHING"...because he has seen nothing and he has played nothing!
So close your mouth and wait until E3!
Konami said SHX was going to be an enhanced SH2. What do you think the word enhanced means? They said extra features, and better graphics. IMO that makes it superior. No, I haven\'t played MGSX, but going by MS\'s statement about it being above and beyond MGS2, and what Konami is doing with SHX, it doesn\'t take rocket science to figure out that odds are it\'ll be a enhanced MGS2. Again, enhanced=better. Why is this a argument?
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Originally posted by EThugg
Konami said SHX was going to be an enhanced SH2. What do you think the word enhanced means? They said extra features, and better graphics. IMO that makes it superior. No, I haven\'t played MGSX, but going by MS\'s statement about it being above and beyond MGS2, and what Konami is doing with SHX, it doesn\'t take rocket science to figure out that odds are it\'ll be a enhanced MGS2. Again, enhanced=better. Why is this a argument?
Have you read...Kojima Stabs the Xbox...?
http://www.ps2web.com/article.asp?id=1427
...I was right..........
...but I think you\'re right on Silent Hill X...some more extra features...
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Have you read...Kojima Stabs the Xbox...?
http://www.ps2web.com/article.asp?id=1427
...I was right..........
:rolleyes: Again, Hideo is not a god, and he\'s free to say anything he wants. It\'s a FACT that XB is more powerful. Kojima couldn\'t possibly know how much more powerful yet, so he\'s full of it. I trust Oddworld every bit as much as Kojimas\' team, and they don\'t agree.... How does someone whos seen 1/2 the final hardware, who hasn\'t finished 1 game for it know as much as you and him think he does? The answer: he doesn\'t. These are his assumptions at the current time. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Originally posted by EThugg
:rolleyes: Again, Hideo is not a god, and he\'s free to say anything he wants. It\'s a FACT that XB is more powerful. Kojima couldn\'t possibly know how much more powerful yet, so he\'s full of it.
I trust Oddworld every bit as much as Kojimas\' team, and they don\'t agree....
Don\'t get me wrong Ethugg and excuse me if I was a little "aggressive" with you :)...I think X-Box will be a Great Console with Great exclusive titles but I prefer to wait until late 2002 to see what this Console can do...
...as regards Oddworld,I think it\'s not the best example to consider...I mean...they are not so talented in 3D Graphics deparment and I think(only my opinion) they are a "little BS" as for the X-Box!
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Kojima isnt God but we can rely more on his statements than some other members in this forum IMO.Kojima has always been honest with all kinds of consoles(unlike some other developers).
As Kojima said XBOX offers nothing but better graphics.He didnt say XBOX is crap or something.
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I agree with Unicron. And Hideo may not be a god, but to put him side by side with the oddworld team is ludicrous. Those whining bastards were *****ing about how hard the PS2 is, when all they have done is two 2D games. Which werent that impressive to begin with. (from a technical POV - I liked the first Abe\'s Oddyssey)
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
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I\'m sorry, but isn\'t everyone saying its about the games? Munch is much more original than MGS2. It\'s a launch title, and looks better than most of PS2\'s announced games, and oozes innovation. I like both games, and again, I don\'t hate Hideo, but he said it was his opinion, plus, like I said, he doesn\'t even have a final kit. If the incomplete kit he has is, in his opinion, capable of graphics better than PS2, think what the final kit can do.
And people need to get off Oddworlds ass. XB is offering exactly what the creative game designers want (like Oddworld), easy development, so they can focus on the artistic side. There\'s nothing wrong with that. Why should Oddworld have to sit there fighting with the technological limits, and use software based special effects, when XB can do it easier, and with its hardware? Hideo gets paid a lot of money to oversee his ideas, Lanning actually programs. I trust him as much as Kojima.
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I trust him as much as Kojima.
:rolleyes:
I won\'t even bother with this one...
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Originally posted by EThugg
I\'m sorry, but isn\'t everyone saying its about the games? Munch is much more original than MGS2. It\'s a launch title, and looks better than most of PS2\'s announced games, and oozes innovation.
I like both games, and again, I don\'t hate Hideo, but he said it was his opinion, plus, like I said, he doesn\'t even have a final kit. If the incomplete kit he has is, in his opinion, capable of graphics better than PS2, think what the final kit can do.
Hideo think X-Box is capable of slight improvements in Graphics...not that the incomplete Kit is capable of Graphics better than PS2!!!! OK?
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Originally posted by EThugg
:rolleyes: Again, Hideo is not a god, and he\'s free to say anything he wants. It\'s a FACT that XB is more powerful. Kojima couldn\'t possibly know how much more powerful yet, so he\'s full of it. I trust Oddworld every bit as much as Kojimas\' team, and they don\'t agree.... How does someone whos seen 1/2 the final hardware, who hasn\'t finished 1 game for it know as much as you and him think he does? The answer: he doesn\'t. These are his assumptions at the current time. Nothing more, nothing less.
I would trust Kojima even less...
It is well known that the Japanese are an ethnocentric community. What should we expect their reaction to be? An American console beating out the Japanese greats? Remember, the Japanese have dominated the console market for the last two decades.
They are in fear. And when you fear something, you downplay it. So most Japanese companies are downplaying the Xbox, as if it is just another console (which, by the way, they keep writing off as a no-success in Japan).
But when American and European gamers get together and buy the Xbox in droves, they\'ll have no choice but to make the Xbox their main platform of choice!
It is just WAITING to happen!
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Originally posted by TheMistaWhoKnow
I would trust Kojima even less...
It is well known that the Japanese are an ethnocentric community. What should we expect their reaction to be? An American console beating out the Japanese greats? Remember, the Japanese have dominated the console market for the last two decades.
They are in fear. And when you fear something, you downplay it. So most Japanese companies are downplaying the Xbox, as if it is just another console (which, by the way, they keep writing off as a no-success in Japan).
But when American and European gamers get together and buy the Xbox in droves, they\'ll have no choice but to make the Xbox their main platform of choice!
It is just WAITING to happen!
I think your full of sh*t!
But when American and European gamers get together and buy the Xbox in droves, they\'ll have no choice but to make the Xbox their main platform of choice!
That wont happen (IMO), which games are we to play???
Xbox will have no chance against mighty Sony and/or Nintendo!
/FAST
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Hideo think X-Box is capable of slight improvements in Graphics...not that the incomplete Kit is capable of Graphics better than PS2!!!! OK?
Its still just his opinion. Sega, EA and the 150+ other developers don\'t have any problems.
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And people need to get off Oddworlds ass. XB is offering exactly what the creative game designers want (like Oddworld), easy development, so they can focus on the artistic side. There\'s nothing wrong with that. Why should Oddworld have to sit there fighting with the technological limits, and use software based special effects,
By the time PS2 can do these effects through hardware or software its not a technologial limit.
The problem is that it is harder to crate these effects.
If the PS2 couldnt do spcific effects neither through hardware or software then it would have been considered as having technological limits.
By the way all consoles have technological limits,
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But when American and European gamers get together and buy the Xbox in droves, they\'ll have no choice but to make the Xbox their main platform of choice!
Umm the Japanese couldn\'t care less how well a console sells elsewhere. The Dreamcast did great here and in Europe and it still managed to die in Japan.
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
By the time PS2 can do these effects through hardware or software its not a technologial limit.
The problem is that it is harder to crate these effects.
If the PS2 couldnt do spcific effects neither through hardware or software then it would have been considered as having technological limits.
I could be wrong but if the PS2 was able to do shadows in hardware then I doubt that Konami would waste processing power doing it in software. It is not like the PS2\'s GPU is going to one day miraculously be able to do different hardware effects.
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Originally posted by datamage
Um that\'s called advertising and letting the public know your product exists. Sega did not hype the Dreamcast up one bit. Do your research. They didn\'t say it was 3x more powerful than this or that,.. or that it would be able to generate cg-type graphics or anything of the sort. Perhaps your definition of hype is different from everyone else\'s. I guess by your definition, Colgate, or Aqua Fresh is hyped cause I see all kinds of commercials from them.
- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
Thank you for interpetting hype. I also thought that was called advertising.
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Originally posted by Gohan
I could be wrong but if the PS2 was able to do shadows in hardware then I doubt that Konami would waste processing power doing it in software. It is not like the PS2\'s GPU is going to one day miraculously be able to do different hardware effects.
Yeah but do we know what percentage of the processing power does it waste?
As long as it can do many great effects then its ok atleast with me.
MGS2 and GT3 have so many effects without any performance hit you simply cant imagine what else does it need.
Also....PS2\'s GS is by itself what the NVIDIA 3D Card stands for XBOX.
The difference is that unlike XBOX\'s card in which the effects are ready to use(made to be able to do the effects from day one) in the PS2 you have to set what effects you want it to make.
Its like having an NVIDIA card that has its effects ready and an NVIDIA that you have to ser what kind of effects you want it to do.
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Konami is playing it smart because of it\'s relationship with Sony and it\'s consumers. What if he said "Oh yeah the Xbox version is alot better than the PS2 version"? That could, not saying it would, but could hurt his sales of MGS for PS2.
Come late this year after Konami has released MGS2 I\'d like to hear his response again. This is common practice when a title of this magnitude is yet to be released....Konami spent a crap load of money in development for this title and are not about to see it\'s profits dwindle by remarks that could hurt them.
**** I know I would be saying the same thing even if MS created a damn virtual world that you can step into. Money is what drives them all and don\'t let them tell you different!
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Yeah but do we know what percentage of the processing power does it waste?
As long as it can do many great effects then its ok atleast with me.
MGS2 and GT3 have so many effects without any performance hit you simply cant imagine what else does it need.
Also....PS2\'s GS is by itself what the NVIDIA 3D Card stands for XBOX.
The difference is that unlike XBOX\'s card in which the effects are ready to use(made to be able to do the effects from day one) in the PS2 you have to set what effects you want it to make.
Its like having an NVIDIA card that has its effects ready and an NVIDIA that you have to ser what kind of effects you want it to do.
It doesn\'t matter how much processing power it wastes. The problem is that it wastes power at all. Kojima himself said that they had to dumb down the graphics a bit because the effects and AI were to much of a hit on the processor.
As for the PS2\'s GPU, Do you think developers are not going to mind programming effects into every game that they make? Sure they can use Sony\'s middleware but the effects will still take a hit to the processor which in the long run will upset developers. The PS2 is an awesome machine which, in theory, has a lot of untapped power. But the flaws in the design will cause a lot of this power to remain untapped until late in its life. IMHO
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Originally posted by Gohan
It doesn\'t matter how much processing power it wastes. The problem is that it wastes power at all. Kojima himself said that they had to dumb down the graphics a bit because the effects and AI were to much of a hit on the processor.
As for the PS2\'s GPU, Do you think developers are not going to mind programming effects into every game that they make? Sure they can use Sony\'s middleware but the effects will still take a hit to the processor which in the long run will upset developers. The PS2 is an awesome machine which, in theory, has a lot of untapped power. But the flaws in the design will cause a lot of this power to remain untapped until late in its life. IMHO
Well ok.But again I think PS2 wont suffer a lot from these issues.Develpers may find solutions to them.
Kojima said that if they had a couple of years more to work on MGS2 they would have come with something a lot lot better.If you spent much time in development you can achieve things previously you thought they were impossible.
Just like GT2000 and games with jaggies.Everyone was underestimating PS2\'s capabilities.But look now.No more jaggies,we ve got great textures,big polygon counts,CGI quality graphics and GT2000 that previously was held as GT2 with less cars and overdone reflections now is the greatest most realistc racing game ever(When GT2OOO was shown everyone had doubts if the PS2 could reach the GT tech demo\'s quality).
Except if MS convinces developers to dump PS2 for XBOX\'s ease at programming PS2 will suffer from the issues regarding its difficulties.
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Originally posted by Bossieman
What does 3 TIMES MORE POWERFUL MEAN?????
According to J. Allard Xbox "is 3 times the graphical and computational power of the PS2". Which means that it would take 3 PS2\'s to match the Physics/AI and Graphics processing power of the Xbox. :D
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Originally posted by BizioEE
...Jason Rubin\'s New Creature will blow away Malice out of the water...
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B*tch please! Naughty Dog are a bunch of overatted trash-talking sons-of-b*tches! I predict that they\'re new game will suck donkey balls. The only thing they did was the hokey platformer Crash Bandicoot and without Crash they\'re sunk. He\'s been hyping up that game only for it to be crushed under the hype. If Naughty Dog is so good, then why haven\'t we seen a Way of the Warrior sequel? Because it sucked, that\'s why! Naughty Dog sucks! They\'re just a mediocre development house that got lucky when Sony asked that Crash be their mascot. Without Crash Naughty Dog is nothing! It pisses me off when people listen to that Sony d*ck riding Whore, Jason Rubin. He talks too much smack and I\'d love to put my size 11 up his ass. Haughty bastards like him deserve to have thier sh!t flop. Naughty Dog\'s game will SUCK. That\'s no shot against the PS2 but a shot against Naughty Dog. They\'re way too overated. Bastards...
:D As you can tell, I can\'t stand Jason Rubin (I don\'t have an opinion about Andy Gavin, but since he hangs around Rubin, he\'s probably as big an a$$hole as Rubin).
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I agree, Rubin\'s is at least as biased as Lanning. I think more, but it\'d debatable.
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Microsoft doesn\'t own OddWorld (that\'s debatable since all of OW games will be Xbox exclusives) so I don\'t see how that\'s possible. Rubin\'s been on Sony\'s nuts since the PS2 unvieling. He\'s talked so much sh!t that he feels that he single handedly has to make the PS2 look good. Fact is that Naughty Dog really sucks and their PS2 project will prove that.
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Fact is that Naughty Dog really sucks and their PS2 project will prove that.
Hate to disappoint, but that\'s no fact.
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- what\'s in the f\'cking box?
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Microsoft doesn\'t own OddWorld (that\'s debatable since all of OW games will be Xbox exclusives) so I don\'t see how that\'s possible. Rubin\'s been on Sony\'s nuts since the PS2 unvieling. He\'s talked so much sh!t that he feels that he single handedly has to make the PS2 look good. Fact is that Naughty Dog really sucks and their PS2 project will prove that.
Wow gotta love the idiocy
Naughty DOg is the most underrated developer and there PS2 project will squash any thoughts of them sucking. I\'ll bet the farm on that one. The Crash platformers games we\'re all fantastic. They pushed the PSX to its limitsand got performance where others could not. Naughty DOg has enjoyed success for awhile, they just never had the big budgets until they signed on to do Crash and got backing from Universal, and they did not dissapoint when given that chance. With Sony and the money Naughty Dog made from the Crash series not to mention the fact they picked up a few other talented Developers to add to the Naughty Dog team, I say beleive the hype. Naughty DOg will get performance out of the PS2 that only the top dev\'s are getting.
and yes Rubin is going to spew the Company line because Sony owns NaughtyDog now and even before the buy-out, NaughtyDOg signed on as a 2nd party developer. What would one expect
But Lorne is just a meat head IMO.
as for Naughty Dogs creature blowing away Malice. I don\'t know. I\'m positive the game will look quite excellent and the gameplay will be quite cool. but without actual details we\'re left waiting for the unveiling
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
Fact is that Naughty Dog really sucks and their PS2 project will prove that.
Sorry, but Naughty Dog, despites Rubins ego, is pretty good. I loved Crash and even liked Way of the Warrior. I also like Oddworld. Both teams are stronger at different things, and both make quality products. Both are also only famous for a single character/series. If it weren\'t for Rubins excessive **** talking, and the fact that Sony owns them, I\'d say they were on even ground in credibility.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Naughty DOg is the most underrated developer and there PS2 project will squash any thoughts of them sucking.
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Naughty DOg will get performance out of the PS2 that only the top dev\'s are getting.
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But Lorne is just a meat head IMO.
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as for Naughty Dogs creature blowing away Malice. I don\'t know. I\'m positive the game will look quite excellent and the gameplay will be quite cool. but without actual details we\'re left waiting for the unveiling
1- Underrated by who? I thought most people who remotely liked Crash, liked ND...
2-I\'m not that impressed with most of the \'top dev\'s\' results yet, so that\'s not impressive....
3-Why? What did he do wrong? Outside of saying he can realize the full vision he has for Munch on XB, but not on PS2, I can\'t think of a single other thing he\'s said that should bug you.
4-Agreed. I am awaiting ND\'s next game eagerly. Has it been confirmed, or just rumored, as being unveiled at E3?
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Originally posted by EThugg
1- Underrated by who? I thought most people who remotely liked Crash, liked ND...
2-I\'m not that impressed with most of the \'top dev\'s\' results yet, so that\'s not impressive....
3-Why? What did he do wrong? Outside of saying he can realize the full vision he has for Munch on XB, but not on PS2, I can\'t think of a single other thing he\'s said that should bug you.
4-Agreed. I am awaiting ND\'s next game eagerly. Has it been confirmed, or just rumored, as being unveiled at E3?
1- By most. Nobody places ND up there with Konami, Rare, Capcom, Square and others yet. They look at ND as the makers of Crash. Alot of people bash ND and its always a fanboy of another system.
2- I am impressed with Square (FFX), Konami (MGS2, ZOE), Capcom (RE, DMC, Onimusha), Polyphony(GT#), Snowblind Studios(Dark Alliance), Studio SoHo(Dropship, The Getaway, Wipeout Fusion), and a few other dev\'s outputs or up and coming games for the PS2 which have been seen in motion
3- Lorne is a meathead cause his vision for his game can be acheived on the PS2 with some minor sacrafices, but nothing that would ruin the game for PS2 owners and would have made him lots of money !!!!. Now he will make his game which may or maynot live up to expectations and have a severly reduced fanbase. All becasue the man was lazy. Lorne and MS both hoped that his signing with MS and XBox would open a floodgates of frustrated devs over to Xbox. It didn\'t and since then there have been more PS2 announcement snad more PS2 break throughs, with some sweet looking games.
4- I keep hearing buzzes from sources it will be shown off at E3 to some extent. Also on a lighter note Insomniac should be showing off there 2nd party game at E3 too
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Originally posted by ProfessorX
Konami is playing it smart because of it\'s relationship with Sony and it\'s consumers. What if he said "Oh yeah the Xbox version is alot better than the PS2 version"? That could, not saying it would, but could hurt his sales of MGS for PS2.
Come late this year after Konami has released MGS2 I\'d like to hear his response again. This is common practice when a title of this magnitude is yet to be released....Konami spent a crap load of money in development for this title and are not about to see it\'s profits dwindle by remarks that could hurt them.
**** I know I would be saying the same thing even if MS created a damn virtual world that you can step into. Money is what drives them all and don\'t let them tell you different!
no that wouldn\'t hurt sales like you think might happen. actually it would help the sale of the series more since the Xbox version will need all the help it can get,the loyal fans know which version is the real one and now that the demo (via Z.O.E.) is readily available to the mainstream which shows how awesome it looks and plays,there is nothing hidden now. the sale of MGS2 on PS2 will soar into the millions (even way more copies than what the supposed "superior " Xbox version will sell),no one in their right mind will believe otherwise...
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
B*tch please! Naughty Dog are a bunch of overatted trash-talking sons-of-b*tches! I predict that they\'re new game will suck donkey balls.
You\'re the classic example of BS,rude,ill-mannered X-Troll and you can predict nothing because you know nothing !
I think Crash,Crash2,Crash3 and Crash Team Racing are really good games and I feel the New Creature of Jason Rubin will be something Big(the only thing we can do is waiting until E3)
We have to debate about the capability,talent of Developers(and Naughty Dog proved to be a talented developer with Crash3 and Crash Team Racing),not the psychology of a single Man....
If you don\'t like Naughty Dog or their games that\'s your own business...because there are a lot of People who really like these Games!
So please,if you like so much insulting developers,or you have nothing positive to offer to this Great Forum...it\'s better you go to some X-Troll-MS-Forum where most of the people are exactly like you= BS and Ignorant
.....He talks too much smack and I\'d love to put my size 11 up his ass. Haughty bastards like him deserve to have thier sh!t flop. Naughty Dog\'s game will SUCK. That\'s no shot against the PS2 but a shot against Naughty Dog. They\'re way too overated. Bastards...
...I think you are not stable mentally!
Why Bastard? Did you have any personal problem with Jason? If you don\'t like the games don\'t play them...what\'s the problem odd being !
Try to show us some interesting and productive Posts...or the only thing you can do is proving each time to be a Troll? :)
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Originally posted by EThugg
I agree, Rubin\'s is at least as biased as Lanning. I think more, but it\'d debatable.
...again...Naughty Dog are really talented developers and they pushed the PSX hardware to the limits!
So dear Ethugg,I don\'t give a toss if a Man is BS or Not-BS...I do care about games...
I don\'t care if Rubin is more or less BS than Lanning...I do care that Naughty Dog are FAR more talented in 3D than the Clumsy Odd World :D
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Naughty Dog if they had the chance they would have been at the top next to Nintendo and Sega.
Crash Team Racing is one of the games I am still trying to figure how they mamaged to squeeze so much from PS1 while others couldnt.
The view distance is amazing,the stages are huge and high polygon,the effects are superb,four players option,cool animations,cool textures all at 30fps.
It easily competes with all N64 kart games.
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
According to J. Allard Xbox "is 3 times the graphical and computational power of the PS2". Which means that it would take 3 PS2\'s to match the Physics/AI and Graphics processing power of the Xbox. :D
LOL. This has to be wrong. The EE is more powerful than the PIII and all AI and physics is calculated by the mainproccessor not the GPU.
Are you sure of this?
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Originally posted by Bossieman
LOL. This has to be wrong. The EE is more powerful than the PIII and all AI and physics is calculated by the mainproccessor not the GPU.
Are you sure of this?
DirectXbox assumed wrongly or he understood what he wanted to beleive
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Originally posted by ddaryl
3- Lorne is a meathead cause his vision for his game can be acheived on the PS2 with some minor sacrafices, but nothing that would ruin the game for PS2 owners and would have made him lots of money !!!!. Now he will make his game which may or maynot live up to expectations and have a severly reduced fanbase. All becasue the man was lazy. Lorne and MS both hoped that his signing with MS and XBox would open a floodgates of frustrated devs over to Xbox. It didn\'t and since then there have been more PS2 announcement snad more PS2 break throughs, with some sweet looking games.
Wow, those are pretty harsh words. Lorne struck me as a very cool, done-to-earth person who was very excited about OWI\'s new game. If you look at their games and website you will find that they are very socailly and environmentaly concoius as well.
Sure, the PS2 has absolutely made a lot of break throughs but they were made by the largest companies or those who are also counting on the PC version of their software to bring in extra money. The smaller third-party developers are still releaseing sub-par graphics and if OWI wanted to avoid that fate and needed money to keep on going then I should hardly think it would make Lorne "lazy" or a "meathead".
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Originally posted by ho3j
Wow, those are pretty harsh words. Lorne struck me as a very cool, done-to-earth person who was very excited about OWI\'s new game. If you look at their games and website you will find that they are very socailly and environmentaly concoius as well.
Sure, the PS2 has absolutely made a lot of break throughs but they were made by the largest companies or those who are also counting on the PC version of their software to bring in extra money. The smaller third-party developers are still releaseing sub-par graphics and if OWI wanted to avoid that fate and needed money to keep on going then I should hardly think it would make Lorne "lazy" or a "meathead".
My thoughts exactly. Agter reading interviews of Lanning, I have a lot of respect for him. Plus I like Oddworlds games (as much as ND\'s games.)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
You\'re the classic example of BS,rude,ill-mannered X-Troll and you can predict nothing because you know nothing !
I think Crash,Crash2,Crash3 and Crash Team Racing are really good games and I feel the New Creature of Jason Rubin will be something Big(the only thing we can do is waiting until E3)
We have to debate about the capability,talent of Developers(and Naughty Dog proved to be a talented developer with Crash3 and Crash Team Racing),not the psychology of a single Man....
If you don\'t like Naughty Dog or their games that\'s your own business...because there are a lot of People who really like these Games!
So please,if you like so much insulting developers,or you have nothing positive to offer to this Great Forum...it\'s better you go to some X-Troll-MS-Forum where most of the people are exactly like you= BS and Ignorant
Hey, I\'m entitled to my own opinions. I hate Naughty Dog and I think they\'re a bunch of one-hit-wonder overrated developers. Hell, there\'s no reason to call me a "Troll" when I was merely venting my opinion on Naughty Dog (Jason Rubin specifically). Just because your fanboy ass don\'t agree with me doesn\'t mean that you have to label me as a troll. I just think that people are making a big deal about Naughty Dog because somehow they feel that they will somehow vindicate the PS2. How do I know that? Well, I\'ve heard on this board and other PS2 boards such phrases as, "[Outspoken Developer Here] are a bunch of lazy asses...teams like Naughty Dog are not lazy and they will show that PS2 is a real powerhouse!" and "Naughy Dog will use both of PS2\'s vector units!" Wow. Who gives a sh!t. Naughty Dog milks one corny ass franchise and everyone sees them as the "PS2\'s Saviors". I honestly believe that they\'re nothing without Crash. Maybe at E3 Mr. Rubin and Co. will prove me wrong. If they do, I\'ll concede, but I honestly believe that Naughty Dog is OVERATTED (among PS2 fanboys) contrary to what ddarly believes.
What besides "Crash ___" has been succesful from Naughty Dog? I can\'t think of one. The average gamer doesn\'t know who the hell Naughty Dog is and sadly they don\'t give a sh!t about non-franchise titles. Maybe if Crash Bandicoot 4 was made by Naughty Dog, then by name alone it will sell spades. My proof? Well, I bet that Crash Bandicoot 4 for the PS2, GC and Xbox will sell in the millions based upon franchise alone. The average Joe gamer won\'t say, "Naughty Dog didn\'t make it, so I\'m not buying it!". All they see is Crash 4 on the PS2 and so it must be as good as the first three. I just think J. Rubin talks too much sh!t for an overrated programmer. I hope their game tanks just for Rubin to be put in his place. He talks too much sh*t about stuff he has no idea about. He\'s a big Sony Whore and I hope his sh!t tanks. That\'s my opinion. You don\'t have to agree with it and I won\'t try to persuade you to.
...I think you are not stable mentally!
Why Bastard? Did you have any personal problem with Jason? If you don\'t like the games don\'t play them...what\'s the problem odd being !
Try to show us some interesting and productive Posts...or the only thing you can do is proving each time to be a Troll? :)
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Pot calling the kettle black, eh? There\'s no need for insults since I wasn\'t insulting you. Are you related to Mr. Rubin? Are you currently having sexual relations with him? Then why are you so goddam defensive. I didn\'t insult you personally. In fact, my post was not directed to anyone on this board because I respect everyone on this board (except NPlayer) and I respect their opinions even though theirs may be different from mine. Yeah, I have a personal problem not only with Naughty Dog but with any developer or representative that talks sh!t even though they are totally overrated. Yuji Naka can afford to talk sh!t because every game he puts out is awesome. Kojima can afford to talk sh!t because he has the Midas touch. Yu Suzuki can afford to talk sh!t because he\'s a proven veteran. Miyomoto-san can afford to talk sh!t because he\'s a god. Jason Rubin and Naughy Dog can\'t afford to talk sh!t because they\'ve only had success from milking one franchise to death. If Naughty Dog\'s new project blows me away, then I concede, because Naughty Dog will have proved that they are not a one-trick-pony and that they do have TALENT. I\'ll gladly apologize to Naughty Dog and J. Rubin. However, until they prove themselves beyond Crash, they can\'t afford to act like big shots because the truth of the matter is that they\'re not.
So I advise you to stop jumping to conclusions calling me a troll just because I posted my opinion. Is everyone who disagrees with you a troll? Well if they are, you\'ll meet plenty more trolls during your life time. If you can\'t deal with "trolls", then I advise that you lock yourself up in a closet and never come out.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Wow gotta love the idiocy
Naughty DOg is the most underrated developer and there PS2 project will squash any thoughts of them sucking. I\'ll bet the farm on that one. The Crash platformers games we\'re all fantastic. They pushed the PSX to its limitsand got performance where others could not. Naughty DOg has enjoyed success for awhile, they just never had the big budgets until they signed on to do Crash and got backing from Universal, and they did not dissapoint when given that chance. With Sony and the money Naughty Dog made from the Crash series not to mention the fact they picked up a few other talented Developers to add to the Naughty Dog team, I say beleive the hype. Naughty DOg will get performance out of the PS2 that only the top dev\'s are getting.
Well, like the saying goes: " A [forum] is only as good as its [moderators]." I can see why forum members frequently insult other forum members. Obviously, I disagree with you but then I also agree with you. Naughy Dog is underatted (in the gaming industry as a whole) and overrated (among PS2 fanboys). The Crash Bandicoot PSX games were never my cup of tea, actually I preferred Bug! and Bug! Too for the Saturn over Crash Bandicoot. I always saw Crash as just a Sony mascot. Croc, Rayman, and Bubsy (hehe) didn\'t make the cut, so Sony chose Crash Bandicoot. All I see him as is a crappy imitation of Sonic and Mario. Crash can\'t hold a candle to either of those franchises because those franchises are created by legends (Naka and Miyamoto, respectively). I simply don\'t have any faith in Naughty Dog outside of the Crash franchise. Maybe if they were making Crash Bandicoot 4...but they\'re not. That would be like me hyping up a new character-based platformer from id Software. Yeah, Doom and Quake are the sh!t, but the thought of them making a non-FPS would make me cringe.
If you were really betting the farm, I would say that would be a risky deal. Outside of Crash, Naughty Dog are unproven. Yeah, I\'m sure any guy can use both Vector Units and write their own machine-specific programming language (Rubin created G.O.A.L. for PS2), but that doesn\'t automatically mean that the game will be good. That\'s like me saying that since Xbox has great developers and more powerful hardware that they are going to blow PS2 out of the water. Seems like the case, but Microsoft is unproven in the console arena just like ND is unproven outside of the Crash series. I\'m not biased at all. If the folks at Microsoft were talking sh!t like, "PS2 sucks...it\'s a do-everything-but-hard-to-develop-for-machine!" and "We\'ll blow Sony away because we have more money!" Then I would hate them too (I would still buy the Xbox if it had good games, just like I\'ll buy the ND game if it impresses me). I just hate unproven developers talking sh!t, that\'s all. Don\'t assume that just because I\'m knocking a PS2 developer that I\'m knocking PS2.
However, if you are taking offense to what I say about Naughty Dog, then maybe you do view them as the PS2\'s "Saviors". ;) Check yourself. I\'m a Christian and if anyone says anything bad about God like, "God causes people to die and starve...etc." I\'d be pissed off, even though they weren\'t talking about me. Do you feel that way about Naughty Dog? If so, you need to reexamine things. The PS2\'s success is a collective effort between Sony and developers...not just Naughty Dog.
and yes Rubin is going to spew the Company line because Sony owns NaughtyDog now and even before the buy-out, NaughtyDOg signed on as a 2nd party developer. What would one expect
But Lorne is just a meat head IMO.
I agree with you. Lorne has a big mouth too; until he does something else good besides OddWorld, then he should keep his trap shut. They\'re in the same position as Naughty Dog in that they are a one-trick-pony. But if the Pony brings in the dough, keep on ridin\' it! The only difference is that Mr. Lanning and Oddworld are staying with the Oddworld franchise. If they were doing another game I would be just as critical of them as I am of ND.
as for Naughty Dogs creature blowing away Malice. I don\'t know. I\'m positive the game will look quite excellent and the gameplay will be quite cool. but without actual details we\'re left waiting for the unveiling
That\'s the right thing to do...wait until E3. If they both impress me, I\'ll get both.
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Well Direct XBox, I think Mario sucks, never liked it, and SOnic is ok, but not my cup a tea
Crash Bandicoot was my all time favorite platformer, and the numerous moves and numerous vehicles crash pikloted made the gameplay very un repetitious
Naughty DOg is not overrated by PS2 fanboys just underated by most, they have quite a few games out before Crash none of them big budgeted but all held there own nicely.
Naughty DOg knows how to code and that will be shown off with there next game
I don\'t Miyamoto a legend or Suzuki, there games are good and great but mostly overrated by Sega and Nintendo fans
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Originally posted by ddaryl
...just underated by most, they have quite a few games out before Crash none of them big budgeted but all held there own nicely.
Like the poor Rings of Power? The only decent game they had prior to Crash is Way of the Warrior, and despite being good, was a total MK rip off.
Rings of Power
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Pretty bad...
Way of the Warrior
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.naughtydog.com%2Fwotw%2Fimages%2Fbattle1.jpg&hash=6de51c974cf39a15467b56ec1fdc6cf87d183063)
Funny and fun, but not original at all...
Their games before that? 3 poor PC games, I can\'t even find shots of. Ski Crazed, Keef the Thief, Dreamzone. Crash is the only thing ND has to brag about, and Rubins himself was a small part of its success. Again, I don\'t hate ND, but you cant \'underrate\' a company that had one successful series. They have to prove themselves on more than one system, with one series. And sinse all pre-Crash games they made were pretty crappy, they still need to do this.
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Originally posted by EThugg
. Again, I don\'t hate ND, but you cant \'underrate\' a company that had one successful series. They have to prove themselves on more than one system, with one series. And sinse all pre-Crash games they made were pretty crappy, they still need to do this.
Well then I guess E3 will be the proof
You guys can argue this with me until the cows come home, but I stand by exactly what I am saying. Naughty Dog studios has big time talent and ability. There game will be sweet
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Well then I guess E3 will be the proof
Yup, like I said, I look foward to the new ND game.
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hey if they can create a game like Crash Bandicood nowadays we can expect better things in the furure than what we saw in the past.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
hey if they can create a game like Crash Bandicood nowadays we can expect better things in the furure than what we saw in the past.
Thats the hope, but not definite.
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Ofcourse I am hoping:)
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Lanning is full of **** IMO! He whines about ps2 being so hard to develop for. M$ buys him out to develop munch as an exclusive for xbox, guess what? Does he use his own engine HELL NO he uses Monolith\'s Lithech 2 engine. Even on xbox he cant do ****. And does munch look better on xbox than it did on ps2? NO WAY! it has less jaggies but the rest is the same! And why is he the only developer who whines? all the others..like snowblind & black isle (from the new BG game) don\'t whine. They are small yet talented :)
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
Lanning is full of **** IMO! He whines about ps2 being so hard to develop for. M$ buys him out to develop munch as an exclusive for xbox, guess what? Does he use his own engine HELL NO he uses Monolith\'s Lithech 2 engine. Even on xbox he cant do ****. And does munch look better on xbox than it did on ps2? NO WAY! it has less jaggies but the rest is the same! And why is he the only developer who whines? all the others..like snowblind & black isle (from the new BG game) don\'t whine. They are small yet talented :)
I am sure that a lot of developers whine but he is one of the few that whine openly.
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Developes are just toooo LAZY!
(mostly European and American. Japanese take there time to learn)
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Originally posted by fastson
Developes are just toooo LAZY!
(mostly European and American. Japanese take there time to learn)
/FAST
this is not true,
Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance, The Getaway, Wipeout Fusion, Dropship, Drakan, Soul reaver 2, Blood Omen 2, Red Faction, Starfighter, Madden, SSX, are games outside of Japan that represent PS2 quality or are highly anticipated and there\'s more of course